The Insane Clown Posse

[Hyorinmaru]

I talked about this a little with CCS and I wanted to go more in depth.

I know not every one like ICP but i want to tell everyone what they're really about. I would post the songs for people to listen to but people probably won't listen to them. (if you want the songs I've posted Let me know and I'll PM them to you.)

Lets talk about the Genre of music they're classified under, Horrorcore.

Horrorcore is a subgenre of hip hop music described by Entertainment Weekly in 1995 as a "blend of hardcore rap and bloodthirsty metal"

Horrorcore defines the style of rap music that focuses around "horror influenced" topics that include Satanism, cannibalism, suicide, murder and rape. The lyrics are inspired by horror movies over moody, hardcore beats.[2] As quoted by Mars to describe his horrorcore,"If you take Stephen King or Wes Craven and you throw them on a rap beat, that's who I am."[3] The stylistic origins of horrorcore can be traced to the music of Detroit rapper Esham, who refers to his style of music as "acid rap".[4] Esham's music, sometimes described as a fusion of hip hop beats and death metal lyrics[4] helped contribute to his popularization as a solo rapper as well as a member of the group Natas,[5] and was an influence on the work of Insane Clown Posse,[6] who have performed in this genre along with other artists on the Psychopathic Records label.[7] Kool Keith claims to have "invented horrorcore".[8]
Gravediggaz are frequently cited as "ushering in" or popularizing the form with their debut album 6 Feet Deep, released in 1994.[9][10] The term was also appended to and popularized by Flatlinerz.[11] The genre quickly faded from public attention,[11] but has thrived in internet culture and sustains an annual "supershow" in Detroit called "Wickedstock".[12][13] According to the January 2004 BBC documentary Underground USA, the subgenre "has a massive following across the US" and "is spreading to Europe".[12] By contrast, Rolling Stone referred to it as a "short-lived trend" which "generated more shlock than shock".[9] NME agrees, labeling the movement as "rap music's brief fling" while at the same time noting that the genre is subject to revival in its review of Snoop Dogg's 2001 soundtrack, Bones.

Brotha Lynch Hung[15]
Esham and Natas[5]
Ganksta N-I-P[2]
Insane Poetry[16]
KidCrusher[17]
King Gordy[18]
Prozak[19]
Tech N9ne[20]
Three 6 Mafia[21]

Not sure how many of these guys you've heard of but they are all Horrorcore artists.

Most people when they think of ICP they think they're nothing but people who talk only about killling, drugs and just plain idiocy. To start things off I'm gonna post what has been describes as

.............The biggest plot twist I've ever seen.

Here's some of the lyrics to their song Thy Unveiling. It's all important but what I really want you to take away is in bold.

Spoiler: Thy Unveiling

Now we have been told this carnival shit has touched many lives.
People have fuckin` sworn to us they too can feel it inside.
What is it that draws you in, this magic that compels you?
We`ve been waiting six fuckin` joker cards to finally tell you.
This messengers and hints were there, all though most never picked up on them.
We snuck em` in subliminally with that wicked shit around them.
We mentioned more and more of this on every Joker's Card.
The bottom line always the same, you ain't have to look hard.
We wickedly kick it, inflict it, you get it, get with it and dig we don't preach it flat, cause some ninjas don`t wanna get with ya, they quick to forget ya without the hatchet and gat out.
So we rose the hatchet, do or die, now Juggalos standing tall, after all 6 have risen the end of time will consume us all. It ain't got nothing to do with us, It ain't Psychopathic Records!
All we`re doing is pointing this shit out to you, we in this together! Who`s behind the Dark Carnival, the Gatherings and the hatchet? Who`s beind Dark Lotus, the circus and everybody at it?
Who inveted Juggalos and Juggalette and fucking Faygo showers? What about that feeling you get when bumping our shit, who`s behind these Juggalo powers?
This ain`t no fucking fan club, It ain't about making a buck. Don`t buy our fucking action figures bitch, i don't give a fuck. It ain't About Violent J or Shaggy, the Butterfly or seventeen.
When we speak of Shangri-La, what you think we mean? Truth is we follow GOD, we`ve always been behind him, The Carnival is God and may all Juggalos find him!

May The Juggalos Find Him!
May The Juggalos Find Him!
May The Juggalos Find Him!
He's out there, He's Out there!

We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
We don't care what happens now.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
We swing our hatchet and we`re proud.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
Painted faces in the crowd.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
The Carnival will carry on.

He`s Out There!
May The Juggalos Find Him!
He's Out There!
May The Juggalos Find Him!

We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
The Carnival will carry on.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
The Carnival will carry on.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
Painted faces in the crowd.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
Our carnival will carry one.

yeh, he`s everywhere!
I'm saying he's anywhere!
juggalos, hes out there!
yeh, yeh, everywhere!
He's Out There

Come see the show,
big top show,
Walk in and hang with the dead carnival
Dead dirty carnies, dead juggalos
Walk in and hang with the dead carnival

he`s out there!

Juggla, Juggla, fuck with the juggla
Juggla, Juggla, fuck with the juggla
Juggla, Juggla, fuck with the juggla
ya cant fuck with the juggla

May the Juggalos find him!
May the Juggalos find him!
He's out there!
May the Juggalos find him!
May the Juggalos find him!
He's out there! He`s out there!

We all gonna die, but I`m not gonna fry
Even though most never try.
I`m not gonna let this pass me bye, no.

This is our world! This is our world! This is our world!
SO GET THE FUCK OUT!
This is our world! This is our world! This is our world!
SO GET THE FUCK OUT!

We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
We don`t care what happens now.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
We swing our hatchets and we`re proud.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
Painted faces in the crowd.
We`re not sorry if we tricked you!
The Carnival will carry on.

Suck My Nuts! Bitch, Fuck You!
Suck My Nuts! Bitch, Fuck You!

Inner City Posse got the Dog Beats
ICP we got the dog beats!
Inner City Posse got the Dog Beats
ICP we got the dog beats!

3 rings, a ding-a-ding-ding
people love to point and stare
3 rings, a ding-a-ding-ding
its the same as everywhere

Murder Go Round,Murder Go Round
How ya gonna fuck wit a wicked clown!
Murder Go Round,Murder Go Round
How ya gonna fuck wit a wicked clown!

He's out there!
We don't care what happen's now!
We swing our hatchets and we`re proud!
Painted Faces in the crowd!
The Carnival will carry on!
The Carnival will carry on!
Painted Faces in the crowd!
The Carnival will carry on!
The Carnival will carry on!

Thank you! ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for joining us
We hope you`ve enjoyed the Wraith's exhibit of Shangri-La
and soon as you die, this will be yours!
Thank you for joining us! Thank you byyyatch!
hahahaha, always remember to fuck off!
Fuck Off! good bye!

Nothing points this out more than there song Halls of Illusion. Again the really important stuff is bolded.

Spoiler: Halls of Illusion

Ticket please, thanks, walk through the door
Into the Halls Of Illusions, visit yours
And see what coulda and shoulda and woulda been real
But you had to fuck up tha whole deal

"Lets take a walk down the hallway
It's a long way it, it takes all day!"

And when you get to tha end, you'll find a chair
With straps and chains, we slap you in there
Lock you down tight so you can't move a thread
And pull your eyelids up over your head
Cuz you're about to witness an illusionary dream
It's just to bad it ain't what it seems

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
You walk in and see two kids on the floor
They playin Nintendo and he's got tha high score
And sittin behind them chillin in a chair
Is your wife, when ya look, oh, you ain't there
It's some other man in the hand in hand
Now she looks so happy you don't understand
See this is an illusion, it never came true
All because of you!

[Violent J]
Back to reality and what you're about
Your wife can't smile cuz ya knocked her teeth out
And she can't see straight from gettin hit
Cuz you're a fat fuckin drunk piece of shit
But it's all good here, come have a beer
I'll break the top off it and shove it in ya ear
And you're death comes wicked painful and slow
At tha hands of MILENKO!

[Chorus (2x)]
Great Milenko, wave your wand
Don't look now, your life is gone
This is all because of you
What you got yourself into

[Violent J]
Look who's next it's Mr. Clark
The dirty old man from the trailer park
You got your ticket? Thanks take your coat off
And later on, why not, I'll rip your throat off

"Lets take a walk down the hallway
It's a long way it, it takes all day"

And when you get to the end you'll find a chair
You see all the blood, yeah your boy was just here
We get all different kind of people comin through
Richies, chickens and bitches just like you
In the Halls everybody gets a turn
To sit and witness your illusion before you burn

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
What do we have here, oh yeah, no way
It looks like your kids and they okay
Your daughter's chillin up in college top grade
And your son's a fuckin doctor, phat paid
They got families and kids and it's all good
They even coach little league in the neighborhood
Is this true have ya really seen tha holy ghost?
Nah, bitch, not even close!

[Violent J]
Back to reality your son's on crack
And your daughter's got nut stains on her back
And they both fuckin smell like shit
And live in the gutter and sell crack to each other
When they were kids you'd beat em and leave em home
And even whip em with the cord on the telephone
And that reminds me man hey ya gotta call
Watch your step to Hell...it's a long fall!

[Chorus (2x)]

[Violent J]
Ah, it's time to pack up and move to the next town
But we forgot Mr. Bigot, okay, dig it
We can't show you an illusion cuz we're all packed
But I'll still cut ya neck out, hows that?

[Chorus (4x)

Yes they are talking about killing people but as you know by now that is a big part of what Horrorcore is about. The parts I bolded show that the people that died were horrible people anyway.

Now you guys have seen me throw the word Juggalo a lot and while the word is used to depicte a fan of The ICP and there Label Phsycopahic Records it means so much more. They call it a family for a reason. I've talked to people on-line that literally wanted to commit suicide until they started listeing to ICP and become a part of the Juggalo family. I've been walking down the street wearing an ICP T-Shirt and complete strangers have stopped me on the street and told me that they're a fan too and we talked for 20 minutes. Then we both went on with our day. Just knowing that there are people out there that I can talk to about anything and they would understand makes me feel a lot better.

Now in keeping with the tradition of posting a song that proves my point here's Juggalo Homies. Real important parts once again bolded.

Spoiler: Juggalo Homies

The visual for this video helps get my point across. PLeae watch it even if you have to turn the music off.
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(I know you ain't there
That's why I just want to let you know something bro
You all know I love you
You all know you're my homies
And eh... Alright we'll talk later - peace!)

[Violent J]
Let me ask you this about this life we live
And let me try to swerve some of this attention you give
To them distant ass relatives over ham dinner
If they really missed you so much
Why don't they just call a (Muthafucka) ?
If you wasn't blood, would you still have love?
Or infact does the blood make you think you have to love?
Look, I probably love my family more than anybody here
But my homies are family too, 3rd cousins' get outta here
Who was you with when you got tattooed?
And who was you trippin' with when you did them mushrooms?
And who the fuck threw up all over your car?
And then felt worse than you about that shit in the morning? (Friends ya'll)

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
Who loaned you money, homie?
Who owes you cash? (Who?)
Who taught you how to use the bong for the grass? (Who?)
I don't know much but I gotta assume
When ya hit ya first neden, ya homies was in the other room

[Chorus]
We talkin' about HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
Our motha fuckin' HOMIES! HOMIES!
We throwin' up clown love signs (Real Juggalo)
HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
HOMIES! HOMIES!

[Violent J]
Have you ever had a job that you truly despise?
Like I don't know maybe dish washin', or fuckin' flippin' fries
And you got this boss who thinks he's the Don Mega
Because he the head manager (Chief Chili Fry Maker)
All you can vision is ya'll beating him down
Your homies standing on his back while you kicking his head around
But responsibility is there, I can't lie tho
I'd of been plucked his fucking eye ball out with a chicken bone
I'm crazy as fuck, i'll rip your peircings off
And now my homies are holding me back so I don't look soft

[Shaggy 2 Dope]
When you snuck the car out who did you get? (Who?)
And when you got caught, who you blame the shit? (Who?)
Who can you relax around and scratch your balls? (Who?)
Homies, i'm talking about like you and yours

[Chorus]
We talkin' about HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
Our motha fuckin' HOMIES! HOMIES!
We throwin' up clown love signs (Real Juggalo)
HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
HOMIES! HOMIES!

[Violent J, Anybody Killers, and Juggalos]
You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Keep it in your click fuck the outside baby
You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Runnin' with the homies until i'm old like Grady

[Jamie Madrox]
Me and my homies stay tight like a noose
And if you step to one of us you better step to the whole crew
I never knew that I could depend
That I could have some friends that's down to the very end
Well that's my homeboys excuse me, my family
And when we conquer the world
We mackin' on the galaxy
'cause sky's the limit and we ain't finished
And if my homies gonna ride ya know I'm with it

[Monoxide Child]
Puff it and pass it and I give it to my homies ya'll
Hit it and quit it and then I give it to my homies ya'll
I got the world around my finger with my homies ya'll
And everything is obsolete unless I hear my homies call
We world wide, were homies across the planet
Sticking together like zippers on Michael Jackson's "Beat It jacket"
They got my back like a tat for that, I love ya'll
Hanging till we old and gray like grandpas (Psychopathic)

[Chorus - Repeat somewhat]
We talkin' about HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
Our motha fuckin' HOMIES! HOMIES!
We throwin' up clown love signs (Real Juggalo)
HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
HOMIES! HOMIES!

You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Keep it in your click fuck the outside baby
You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Runnin' with the homies until i'm old like Grady

You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Keep it in your click fuck the outside baby
You don't like me, you can fuck on!
Carnival ain't for everyone!
Swingin' hatches on the daily with my crew actin' crazy

That's it really. I'm not asking anyone to start listening to ICP and liking there music, I know that's probably not going to happen. But if 1 person gives them a chance or sees them in a better light then I will be very happy.

 

[ROHDude]

I see them in a better light now then what I did before. I had heard a couple of there songs, but never really gave them a chance. Then watching some Backyard Wrestling videos there was a music video of "Juggalo Homies", and I loved the song. So of course I went out and bought, The Wraith: Shangri-La. I enjoyed the album listening through it and then when I got to "Thy Unveiling", I was blown away!

This truely was a huge twist imo, as like you said I just assumed they sang about drugs, violence, and just plain idiocy. And I'm not a big religion guy, I guess you could call me agnostic, but I found it to be pretty cool that they were singing about God.

 

[Pimpin]

I have always seen them in a good light. I have a lot of their albums with The Great Milenko being the album I liked the most. About 2 years ago I had also assumed that they sang about drugs, violence & the devil & I wouldn't even give them a chance but that all changed when I was in tech class & my friend Michael played The Great Milenko album on the computer & I enjoyed it so much I decided to get most of their cd's & many other cd's from the genre that they're classified under.

 

[CCS]

The song Hall of illusions is supposed to be a Christian song ? I'm sorry but that's just not true. They curse and talk about murder way too much for it to be under the banner of Christian music. If ICP wants people to find God they need to set the example themself. ICP cant curse , smoke weed , talk about murder and sing about a false God "Milenko" and expect for people to respect their music and supposed anti violence views. A person living in a glass house cant throw stones. ICP is notorious for their violent lyrics but they dont support violence ? That's just a lie. Also i think the song where they say may the "Juggalo's find God" They're not talking about Jesus christ. They're talking about "Milenko" which they try to make out as a juggalo God.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

The song Hall of illusions is supposed to be a Christian song? I'm sorry but that's just not true. They curse and talk about murder way too much for it to be under the banner of Christian music. If ICP wants people to find God they need to set the example themselves.

I never said it was christian music. All i said as that they believe in god and some of there music reflects that.

ICP cant curse, smoke weed, talk about murder and sing about a false God "Milenko" and expect for people to respect their music and supposed anti violence views.

Cursing and smoking weed are in all rap music not just ICP. Talking about murder is a big partf what horrorcore is all about soof course they're going to do it, all the people they "killed" were horrible people such as murderers, rapists and bigots.

A person living in a glass house cant throw stones. ICP is notorious for their violent lyrics but they dont support violence? That's just a lie.

I never said they didn't support violence just that it's a huge prt of their Genre of music.

Also i think the song where they say may the "Juggalo's find God" They're not talking about Jesus christ. They're talking about "Milenko" which they try to make out as a juggalo God.

No there talking about GOD. nowhere in any of there songs did they say Milenko was a god and the in no way try to portray him that way. I don't kno where you got this from but it simply is not true.

 

[Big Sexy]

ICP sucks. Point blank, period. They don't have any good songs, they don't have any talent, and they are a disgrace to music. If you ask any real rappers about ICP most of them (if they've ever even heard of them) would say they suck. They are just really bad.

 

[CCS]

ICP's music inspires people to do bad things. They say that they're all family , What does family do ? They tend to act like each other. When little 12 year old Jimmy hears Uncle Violent J/Shaggy 2 Dope on the radio singing about murder , drugs , and countless other nastly things. Little Jimmy probably thinks "Those ICP mutha Fuckas said to go smoke some mutha fucking weed then go kill a mutha fuckin old person with a mutha fuckin hatchet. Then go home and drink some Faygo , mutha fucka" That could be going through young peoples minds right now. Apparently young kids like ICP for the family thing. But ICP isnt realy a family. They're a very bad influence.

 

[X]

ICP cant curse , smoke weed , talk about murder and sing about a false God "Milenko" and expect for people to respect their music and supposed anti violence views. A person living in a glass house cant throw stones. ICP is notorious for their violent lyrics but they dont support violence ? That's just a lie. Also i think the song where they say may the "Juggalo's find God" They're not talking about Jesus christ. They're talking about "Milenko" which they try to make out as a juggalo God.

First off, let me just say that I absolutely despise ICP and feel they are probably the worst musical recording group, ever. Atleast that I've ever heard. Let me also say that your post has to be unbelievably stupid for me to actually be defending ICP in any way. You have accomplished this.

Please direct me to any passage whatsoever in the Bible that proclaims cursing, smoking marijuana, or talking about murder is Anti-Christian. You apparently don't know very much about Christianity, because murder & drug use played huge parts in the religion.

Marijuana was used ABUNDANTLY by both Jesus Christ and his followers. This is proven scientific fact. Holy anointing oil made of primarily from cannabis was used in a daily manner by the early Christians, so much so that the Jews banned it for being so closely identified with Christianity. And that's only one of the many ways in which Jesus and his followers used it. They used it for incense (which would lead one to the conclusion that they were indeed becoming intoxicated from marijuana, albeit for religious purposes, just as many many Indian and South American religions have) as well.

Secondly, have you not heard of this small thing by the name of the Crusades? Or how about the Spanish Inquisition? Murder and torture were tools used frequently by the early followers of Christianity. No religion has caused more death over it's name then Christianity.

So before you begin judging something for being "Un-Christian", you ought to be educated on Christianity itself.

ICP's music inspires people to do bad things.

That is so incredibly wrong that I could probably write a 7 part book series dealing with all of the many, many ways in which you are wrong.

Music and all art in general can not be blamed for "inspiring people to do bad things". If you believe that to be true, then wouldn't the depiction of Jesus' crucifixion inspire people to crucify others? If you reply no, then you're a hypocrite to claim that one piece of art can inspire people to do things, while another can't.

They say that they're all family , What does family do ? They tend to act like each other. When little 12 year old Jimmy hears Uncle Violent J/Shaggy 2 Dope on the radio singing about murder , drugs , and countless other nastly things. Little Jimmy probably thinks "Those ICP mutha Fuckas said to go smoke some mutha fucking weed then go kill a mutha fuckin old person with a mutha fuckin hatchet. Then go home and drink some Faygo , mutha fucka" That could be going through young peoples minds right now. Apparently young kids like ICP for the family thing. But ICP isnt realy a family. They're a very bad influence.

Wow. Are we sure this isn't Tipper Gore we're talking to here? You're point of view is so very flawed that it's become downright humorous. If ICP is responsible for inspiring people to use drugs and murder people, then I shudder to think what 90% of video games and movies are responsible for. Trust me when I tell you that violence, murder, and drug use have been around LONG before ICP were created, or even born.

As I said very recently in another thread, art does not cause society's problems; it is a reflection of those problems.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

ICP sucks. Point blank, period. They don't have any good songs & they don't have any talent. They are just really bad.

They might not be popular but they don't suck.

Carnival of Carnage: Up for Gold Certification

Ringmaster: Certified Gold

Riddle Box: Certified Gold

The Great Milenko: Certified Platinum

Forgotten Freshness Volumes 1 & 2: Certified Gold

The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: Certified Platinum

The Wraith: Shangri-La: Approaching gold certification

To get Gold Certification you need to have sold 500,000 copies. ICP has 4 going on 6 albums that have sold this many.

To get Platinum certification you needed to have sold 1,000,000 album copies. ICP has 2 albums that have sold this many.

While you may not like them there album sales prove hey do have talent and they don't suck.

 

[FromTheSouth]

They might not be popular but they don't suck.

Carnival of Carnage: Up for Gold Certification

Ringmaster: Certified Gold

Riddle Box: Certified Gold

The Great Milenko: Certified Platinum

Forgotten Freshness Volumes 1 & 2: Certified Gold

The Amazing Jeckel Brothers: Certified Platinum

The Wraith: Shangri-La: Approaching gold certification

To get Gold Certification you need to have sold 500,000 copies. ICP has 4 going on 6 albums that have sold this many.

To get Platinum certification you needed to have sold 1,000,000 album copies. ICP has 2 albums that have sold this many.

While you may not like them their album sales prove they do have talent and they don't suck.

Let me rephrase your first sentence. ICP may be popular with two platinum albums, but they truly suck.

Let me ask you a question.....

The first post lists Three Six Mafia as horror core, where exactly in Sippin on Some Syzurp is mutilation, torture, or necrophilia mentioned?

It's cool to quote wiki as a source, I guess, until you realize that I could write a wiki article and fill it with as much cheap bullshit as I wanted.

I believe I am going to start an entry for Christian Gangsta Rap and make it all about DMX and Z-Ro. None of it is going to be true, but maybe some clueless fan boy will cite it as fact on a message board.

Back on topic, ICP has been trying for so long to latch on to someone famous to get themselves over. They tried it with Kid Rock, and he ignored them, they tried with Eminem and he embarrassed them, and no they're trying with Scott Hall, who will most likely vomit on them. He would have vomitted anyway, but now Silent Gay will be there as spittoon in waiting.

I like how the fact that they've sold albums makes them good. People watch Bloodsport, but Jean Claude Van Damme is a shitty actor. High School Musical sucks, but it sells tickets.

ICP, in the same vein, has found a niche. People with no self-confidence, who want to be original by copying other people who want to be original, who likely copied someone else love them. The guy that made me listen to them the first time had a bad drug problem and no self identity. I have found no one to change my opinion that all of their fans are like this.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Let me rephrase your first sentence. ICP may be popular with two platinum albums, but they truly suck.

Millions of people disagree with you. you mentioned the 2 platinum albums but you failed to mention the many gold and soon to be gold album which have sold or will soon sell 500,000 copies each.

Let me ask you a question.....

The first post lists Three Six Mafia as horror core, where exactly in Sippin on Some Syzurp is mutilation, torture, or necrophilia mentioned?

that's just part of what makes horrorcore what it is there underground album Smoked Out, Loced Out is a horrorcore album. There name was Triple Six Mafia before they changed it to Three 6 Mafia. Now if you don't get that there name was and is a reference to the sign of the beast 666 which is a reference to Satanism which is a big part of the horrorcore genre. There national debut album Mystic Stylez has been described as a defining example of horrorcore-style rap. They may have recently gotten away from horrorcore but that's because of the mainstream pressure.

 

[FromTheSouth]

that's just part of what makes horrorcore what it is there underground album Smoked Out, Loced Out is a horrorcore album. There name was Triple Six Mafia before they changed it to Three 6 Mafia. Now if you don't get that there name was and is a reference to the sign of the beast 666 which is a reference to Satanism which is a big part of the horrorcore genre. There national debut album Mystic Stylez has been described as a defining example of horrorcore-style rap. They may have recently gotten away from horrorcore but that's because of the mainstream pressure.

I'll grant you that they might have had some questionable lyrics at the beginning, but they also had thirty three members then too. Listing them on the original post without explanation is questionable. I guess I should have done more research.

 

[CCS]

First off, let me just say that I absolutely despise ICP and feel they are probably the worst musical recording group, ever. Atleast that I've ever heard. Let me also say that your post has to be unbelievably stupid for me to actually be defending ICP in any way. You have accomplished this.

Please direct me to any passage whatsoever in the Bible that proclaims cursing, smoking marijuana, or talking about murder is Anti-Christian. You apparently don't know very much about Christianity, because murder & drug use played huge parts in the religion.

Marijuana was used ABUNDANTLY by both Jesus Christ and his followers. This is proven scientific fact. Holy anointing oil made of primarily from cannabis was used in a daily manner by the early Christians, so much so that the Jews banned it for being so closely identified with Christianity. And that's only one of the many ways in which Jesus and his followers used it. They used it for incense (which would lead one to the conclusion that they were indeed becoming intoxicated from marijuana, albeit for religious purposes, just as many many Indian and South American religions have) as well.

Secondly, have you not heard of this small thing by the name of the Crusades? Or how about the Spanish Inquisition? Murder and torture were tools used frequently by the early followers of Christianity. No religion has caused more death over it's name then Christianity.

So before you begin judging something for being "Un-Christian", you ought to be educated on Christianity itself.



That is so incredibly wrong that I could probably write a 7 part book series dealing with all of the many, many ways in which you are wrong.

Music and all art in general can not be blamed for "inspiring people to do bad things". If you believe that to be true, then wouldn't the depiction of Jesus' crucifixion inspire people to crucify others? If you reply no, then you're a hypocrite to claim that one piece of art can inspire people to do things, while another can't.



Wow. Are we sure this isn't Tipper Gore we're talking to here? You're point of view is so very flawed that it's become downright humorous. If ICP is responsible for inspiring people to use drugs and murder people, then I shudder to think what 90% of video games and movies are responsible for. Trust me when I tell you that violence, murder, and drug use have been around LONG before ICP were created, or even born.

As I said very recently in another thread, art does not cause society's problems; it is a reflection of those problems.

Are you realy that ignorant ? Or are you just misinformed ? Jesus DID NOT smoke marijuana. Weed is bad for your body and it makes you high. That means it's a sin. Jesus is the only person to walk this earth that NEVER sinned. I read the article that claimed Jesus used marijuana to heal people. That's obviously not true because the power of God healed those people.


Now , It's pretty obvious that if you expose a kid to violence they'll be more likely to be violent. The people in ICP have musical lyrics of death , torture and murder. The Juggalo's are supposed to be ICP's family. They want to be JUST LIKE ICP. That means a person could potentialy listen to night of the hatchet then the next time he gets mad go on a killing spree. I know a girl who was a "Juggalette" and she had 5 hatchets and talked about murder all the time. Bottom line is , ICP is a bad influence.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

The Juggalo's are supposed to be ICP's family. They want to be JUST LIKE ICP. That means a person could potentialy listen to night of the hatchet then the next time he gets mad go on a killing spree.

I am a Juggalo (pretty obvious I know) but all large groups have people that go to extremes and it's not just music. Every time someone has murdered and said they were a Juggalo ICP said they denounce what happened. The same thing could be said about people who listened to rock in the 80s and now they're alcoholics and have AIDS from all the unprotected promiscuous sex they've had. Yes people can and probably will blame groups that sing about Booze and sex but that doesn't make it the singers fault, it just means the person is easily influenced and was just looking for someone to tell them what to do and it doesn't matter what it is.

I know a girl who was a "Juggalette" and she had 5 hatchets and talked about murder all the time.

Odds are shes has more problems than just the music she listens to. Night of the Axe is one of my favorite songs and I don't own a hatchet and I have never thought about killing people after listening to it.

 

[X]

Are you realy that ignorant ? Or are you just misinformed ? Jesus DID NOT smoke marijuana. Weed is bad for your body and it makes you high. That means it's a sin. Jesus is the only person to walk this earth that NEVER sinned. I read the article that claimed Jesus used marijuana to heal people. That's obviously not true because the power of God healed those people.

That is hands down the most hilarious excerpt from a post that I have ever seen, easily.

Sorry buddy, but Jesus Christ DID USE MARIJUANA. This is not arguable; it's a proven scientific fact. You are so incredibly misinformed it's downright hilarious. And did I say that Jesus rolled up a doobie and smoked it? No, I explained the ways in which cannabis were used.

Jesus, hemp, a main part of the cannabis plant, was one of the MAIN resources for paper & rope in those times.

A) Marijuana is no more harmful to your body then aspirin is. I suppose that makes aspirin evil and a sin to take as well then? Explain to me please how if marijuana is so harmful to one's body, why 13 states have legalized it for MEDICAL purposes. Please explain to me how exactly a medicine harms your body. That, or please show me your medical degree and explain how you apparently know more about medicine then thousands upon thousands of doctors.

B) This is hands down the funniest line I've ever read on a forum:

Weed is bad for your body and it makes you high. That means it's a sin. Jesus is the only person to walk this earth that NEVER sinned. I read the article that claimed Jesus used marijuana to heal people. That's obviously not true because the power of God healed those people.

So because something "makes you high", that means its a sin? Really? Because not ONCE is anything even slightly resembling what you've just said written in the bible. Not a single mention. So explain to me how it's a sin.

And then explain to me how if it's a sin to use drugs, why red wine (which is a drug) has been used by Christians and their churches on a daily basis since the inception of Christianity. I'd love to hear you explain that one.

And to claim that "God healed them" is ridiculious, unless you're saying that all medicine and the entire medical industry is irrelevent and doesn't save lives. Tell you what, shoot yourself in the foot, and then tell me how quickly God heals it. Because medicine isn't real apparently in your opinion.

Now , It's pretty obvious that if you expose a kid to violence they'll be more likely to be violent.

How is that obvious? What's humorous here is that often times the exact opposite of what you've just said happens. Children exposes to violence on a daily basis are much more likely to be opposed to violence then in support of it, just as a child who grows up with a cocaine-addicted mother is much MUCH more likely to be anti-drug then a cocaine addict. As usual, you are wrong.

The people in ICP have musical lyrics of death , torture and murder. The Juggalo's are supposed to be ICP's family. They want to be JUST LIKE ICP. That means a person could potentialy listen to night of the hatchet then the next time he gets mad go on a killing spree. I know a girl who was a "Juggalette" and she had 5 hatchets and talked about murder all the time. Bottom line is , ICP is a bad influence.

Really now, that's the bottom line is it? What are you, 14? You've yet to give me a single factual reason to support any of your claims, while I've provided many. You want to talk about death, torture & murder lyrics influencing people? How about real death, torture and murder? Those influence people just as much, if not more, do they not? So then the Christian Crusades technically have influenced generations of murder and torture, have they not? Or are you going to reply with "The Crusades and Spanish Inquisition never happened!".

You want to know whats a bad influence? Bigotry, something the Christian Church has supported since it's inception, or is hating someone because they are different the gospel of God as well?

The fact that you honestly want to blame ICP for deaths proves to me and everyone else here that you haven't even the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

So, please respond and explain to me how I'm wrong, after I've just proven to you that I'm right. I would LOVE to hear your explanation as to how drugs are evil sins when your church uses them daily since it's inception.

Yet another epic failure of a post.

 

[CCS]

I hope the girl was just kidding around , but you never know. For alot of kids ICP is something that makes them feel special and like they're a part of something. That's a good thing but ICP's giving kids the wrong messege. They need to realize that some people would do ANYTHING that ICP says. Some people dont know that ICP isnt realy killers and they want to be JUST LIKE ICP. This is where problems start. ICP needs to realize that some people take their murderous lyrics to heart.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

For alot of kids ICP is something that makes them feel special and like they're a part of something.

This is true most Juggalos don't have what you'd call normal Family lives (the one's I've talked to anyway) The fact that they are apart of something bigger than themselves is what gets them out of bed in the morning. I feel this way quite often. There's a song that proves this point quite clearly and because you seem to have skipped my entire first post and feel like typing the same thing over and over here it is again complete with important lyrics. please listen to the song and realize that some people are just stupid and are looking for an excuse to do something.

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We talkin' about HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
Our motha fuckin' HOMIES! HOMIES!
We throwin' up clown love signs (Real Juggalo)
HOMIES! HOMIES!
Talkin' about the Road Dogs of mine
HOMIES! HOMIES!

Me and my homies stay tight like a noose
And if you step to one of us you better step to the whole crew
I never knew that I could depend
That I could have some friends that's down to the very end
Well that's my homeboys excuse me, my family
And when we conquer the world
We mackin' on the galaxy
'cause sky's the limit and we ain't finished
And if my homies gonna ride ya know I'm with it

That's what being a Juggalo is all about

 

[Big Sexy]

To get Gold Certification you need to have sold 500,000 copies. ICP has 4 going on 6 albums that have sold this many.

To get Platinum certification you needed to have sold 1,000,000 album copies. ICP has 2 albums that have sold this many.

While you may not like them there album sales prove hey do have talent and they don't suck.

Soulja Boy and Vanilla Ice have also gone platinum and they dont have any talent, so yes you can suck and still sell records. They are a gimmick group and that is why they sell records.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

ICP needs to realize that some people take their murderous lyrics to heart.

Why isolate ICP? People take anything to heart if it's something that offends them. Someone reads a book containing a large amount of crude humour and takes offense. And, the thing is, the more material is 'restricted,' the more it attracts attention. Nothing among major issues in this world can be completely avoided. If fantasy isn't exposure, then reality is. You can even hear from murderers saying how they were influenced by other murderers. It's not just from entertainment sources.

As for the topic, I used to listen to a lot of ICP back in 1999. I think that's when I first heard about them and bought 'The Amazing Jeckel Brothers' on cassette. While I can't say they're quality musicians and I'm sure they're aware that they're not really musically-talented, I do enjoy their tunes (maybe it has more to do with Mike E. Clark than Violent J/Shaggy 2 Dope). I also got The Wraith: Shangri-La and both Bizzar/Bizaar CDs around 2000-2002. I don't have them anymore, but there was once again the fun feeling the music provided. And since I'm a fan of Halloween, I found The Ringmaster, Riddle Box and The Great Milenko to be memorable listens. They're probably my three favourite albums by ICP. I haven't heard anything post-Hell's Pit though.

 

[Rock Ness]

Can't say I'm a fan of them but I think the whole idea that if you take trash in (in this case the music) then trash ultimately comes out(being the violence or crime and so forth) is bullshit. If somebody watching two guys dressed as clowns in a music video that preach violence and and all the other shit get influenced by it enough to commit murder,then IMO that person was dysfunctional before they watched the video or heard the album. I mean if rapping, wrestling clowns can get that certain person to go homicidal then what can't. If they are easily led then it's only a matter of time before something more important and more influential comes along, be it something better(maybe like religion) or for worse like a friend or role-model who is what we consider "the wrong crowd".

As the Music goes however they really just seem too cartoony for me. There beats are way overdone, and the lyrics get plain fucking ridiculous,which for me is a huge thing having only listen to poetical rap and real NY Hip-Hop for some time now.