The ending of the never-ending Miz Intercontinental Championship World tour

[NotoriousWWE]

He's done it hasnt he? The Miz has managed to finally breakout and fulfil the potential he has displayed for such a long time during an on and off career. Right now I believe we are seeing some of the best heel work from a superstar in recent years in the Intercontinental Champion. His mic work has never been in doubt, in fact its probably the main reason he's a former World champion, but he has come leaps and bounds in the ring too. His match against Ziggler at Backlash was a classic. Anyway enough bragging about how good or 'awesome' The Miz has become, its time to end the never-ending Miz Intercontinental Championship World tour.

No, not right now. The Miz shouldn't be losing that title for a while, let alone at No Mercy which I doubt he will. But I think I have found the right man and the right time to allow Miz to move onto pastures new e.g. the main event scene on SmackDown.

The place?
I would probably have Miz hold the title until next year. Perhaps the Royal Rumble serving as the right platform for Miz to proclaim himself the greatest Intercontinental champion of all time before moving on.

The man?
John Morrison. Yes, the Guru of Greatness currently being great down at the Lucha Underground as Johnny Mundo. The former has so much history with The Miz stemming back to they're time together as a tag team through 2007 until 2009 when Miz would turn on Morrison after being drafted to opposite shows during the 2009 draft, and a rivalry between the two has never arrived.

This is the perfect time should WWE be capable of pulling off the signing of Morrison, to have the two feud. Morrison is also a huge talent who would breathe new life into SmackDown. I would have Miz defeat the beloved and new SmackDown signee Cesaro in a big contest before going on to state that there is simply nobody left who can defeat him for the title. Cue Morrison who comes out to announce he has signed with SmackDown and that he's gunning for that IC Title.

Saying all this WWE will probably have him drop it to somebody absolutely irrelevant such as Swagger or Crews and we will go back to the IC title becoming nothing more than just a prop again rather than the prestigious title Miz has managed to elevate its status to again. Or maybe they'll go left field and throw someone from NXT like Tye Dillinger into the mix?

Either way let me know how you'd like to see Miz eventually drop the belt. I imagine alot of Ziggler fans will come along wanting to see they're boy win the belt at No Mercy rather than be "fired".

Anyway, I think its safe to say Miz has finally become "Awesome".

 

[Aquaman6686]

Miz has been awesome for many years. I'm glad some of the naysayers are finally starting to realize how talented he is.

I think The Miz should hold the title until WrestleMania 33, dropping the title to Cesaro, and coming one day shy of a full year. After that, move The Miz into the main event scene and have him win the WWE World Championship a few months later, and have a similar-length reign with that title.

 

[swallop]

Love the miz's work right now, that being said even though im a huge DZ fan miz dropping the title here would kinda suck. He's having the most memorable IC run since Cody rhodes run back in 2011. That was a long time ago... My thinking is dolph loses and gets "rehired" down the line and beats miz for the title at a place like survivor series a place where dolph had one of his greatest moments beating the authority single handedly. Here are the problems though...

If they indeed go that route it ruins the credibility of the match because him being rehired wouldnt make it career threatening and thats the main draw to this match.

If ziggler won it would reestablish him but hurt the miz in the process. So its kind of a lose/lose situation. And just to touch on that Morrison gibberish its a cool idea but its not happening the wwe doesn't need john Morrison lol.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

Or maybe the Miz can lose right now and reestablish Dolph Ziggler and then move up to the main event scene, like he did it 2010. He wasn't hurt by losing to Daniel Bryan then and he won't be hurt now.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Or maybe the Miz can lose right now and reestablish Dolph Ziggler and then move up to the main event scene, like he did it 2010. He wasn't hurt by losing to Daniel Bryan then and he won't be hurt now.

There is no re-establishing Dolph Ziggler. It's too late for him. Vince has been determined to bury Ziggler since 2012. It took him four years, but he succeeded. Ziggler's reactions have dwindled substantially all year and they're now a fraction of what they once were. And after spending 8 months jobbing to Baron Corbin a billion times, Ziggler is now less than nothing. He has no credibility and no importance. He could beat the three former Shield members, Brock Lesnar, and John Cena in a 5-on-1 Handicap Match and it won't matter. Vince has buried him beyond the point of no return. Ziggler's career is over.

 

[kadroan]

He's done it hasnt he? The Miz has managed to finally breakout and fulfil the potential he has displayed for such a long time during an on and off career. Right now I believe we are seeing some of the best heel work from a superstar in recent years in the Intercontinental Champion. His mic work has never been in doubt, in fact its probably the main reason he's a former World champion, but he has come leaps and bounds in the ring too. His match against Ziggler at Backlash was a classic. Anyway enough bragging about how good or 'awesome' The Miz has become, its time to end the never-ending Miz Intercontinental Championship World tour.

No, not right now. The Miz shouldn't be losing that title for a while, let alone at No Mercy which I doubt he will. But I think I have found the right man and the right time to allow Miz to move onto pastures new e.g. the main event scene on SmackDown.

The place?
I would probably have Miz hold the title until next year. Perhaps the Royal Rumble serving as the right platform for Miz to proclaim himself the greatest Intercontinental champion of all time before moving on.

The man?
John Morrison. Yes, the Guru of Greatness currently being great down at the Lucha Underground as Johnny Mundo. The former has so much history with The Miz stemming back to they're time together as a tag team through 2007 until 2009 when Miz would turn on Morrison after being drafted to opposite shows during the 2009 draft, and a rivalry between the two has never arrived.

This is the perfect time should WWE be capable of pulling off the signing of Morrison, to have the two feud. Morrison is also a huge talent who would breathe new life into SmackDown. I would have Miz defeat the beloved and new SmackDown signee Cesaro in a big contest before going on to state that there is simply nobody left who can defeat him for the title. Cue Morrison who comes out to announce he has signed with SmackDown and that he's gunning for that IC Title.

Saying all this WWE will probably have him drop it to somebody absolutely irrelevant such as Swagger or Crews and we will go back to the IC title becoming nothing more than just a prop again rather than the prestigious title Miz has managed to elevate its status to again. Or maybe they'll go left field and throw someone from NXT like Tye Dillinger into the mix?

Either way let me know how you'd like to see Miz eventually drop the belt. I imagine alot of Ziggler fans will come along wanting to see they're boy win the belt at No Mercy rather than be "fired".

Anyway, I think its safe to say Miz has finally become "Awesome".

He's better off losing the title at WM. Help put over a star on the bigger stage. If he loses it at RR it'll be forgotten.

 

[Vanilla Midget]

Miz is doing the best work he's done since 2011. It's right up with how he was when he was in the program with Cena and The Rock and when he was part of Awesome Truth. Miz and Ziggler have taken things up to the next level, it's been extraordinary.

I really don't want Miz's reign to end any time soon, which is really strange because as soon as he won it from Ryder I wanted him to lose it. Miz has a serious edge again which was missing when Maryse and him were at the height of their Hollywood buffoonery.

The one thing most of us have been saying is Miz needs a proper opponent. Ziggler finally showed he could be that with the emotion in that Smackdown promo this week. I don't think that the title vs career stip means that a Ziggler win is by any stretch a lock. You have to believe the simplest booking outcome is a Dolph win though.

This could be a way to move Dolph to Raw or any number of other things, but most likely Dolph wins, which sucks. I'd rather see Miz carry the title and even push for Honky Tonk Man's record, thus making it a true never-ending world tour of sorts.

As for the Op's JoMo idea, I don't like fantasy booking of talent that aren't currently signed to a company. Neat idea, but Morrison doesn't work for WWE.

I'd like to see Bray Wyatt become a tweener again and beat Miz for the IC title. Smackdown badly needs more midcard faces. Miz is steadfastly positioning himself as a viable second top heel to Styles, so where does Wyatt come in when he's done with Orton? Ziggler could easily turn heel coming out of this angle as well for all we know.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

There is no re-establishing Dolph Ziggler. It's too late for him. Vince has been determined to bury Ziggler since 2012. It took him four years, but he succeeded. Ziggler's reactions have dwindled substantially all year and they're now a fraction of what they once were. And after spending 8 months jobbing to Baron Corbin a billion times, Ziggler is now less than nothing. He has no credibility and no importance. He could beat the three former Shield members, Brock Lesnar, and John Cena in a 5-on-1 Handicap Match and it won't matter. Vince has buried him beyond the point of no return. Ziggler's career is over.

Don't be so negative. Daniel Bryan jobbed out to Sheamus in 18 seconds and main evented Wrestlemania two years later. If the fans want it and there's faith, everything can be done.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I've liked Miz for a long time. I liked him as part of a tag team with Morrison, I liked him during his US title run and I liked him as WWE Champion. I frequently defended him as WWE Champion because I thought he did a good job; he was a slimy, backstabbing, cheap, underhanded coward who cheated to retain his title which, surprise, is exactly what heels are supposed to do.

Even though I was a fan of the guy, and still am, my interest in him faded because there didn't seem to be any real reason to keep being interested. I'd have been perfectly fine with Miz as IC champ in the past if WWE had actually done something with him as champ instead of generally having him play hot potato with the title the first four times he had it. I'm glad to see that he's finally gotten a strong run with the title, I just wish they'd have done it sooner because the guy's a great heel, he's been one of the genuinely best heels in WWE for a long time.

As I said in the No Mercy Title vs. Career thread in the ppv section, I suppose it's possible that WWE could go the route of surprising us and actually have Miz win, Ziggler "leaves", maybe pops back up in the Royal Rumble with a different look & name, etc. but that's not likely. Also, there's no real danger of Ziggler actually leaving because there'd almost certainly be word about it leaking out all over the internet. I'd love to see Miz hold the title all the way to WrestleMania, but I see him dropping the title to Ziggler.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Don't be so negative. Daniel Bryan jobbed out to Sheamus in 18 seconds and main evented Wrestlemania two years later. If the fans want it and there's faith, everything can be done.

There's a difference between putting over a top star at WrestleMania and spending MONTHS losing to a complete nobody on the pre-show. Ziggler's career is dead. He's lost to lowcard no-name rookies for so long that there's no coming back. Fans can't accept him as a big name talent anymore, and that was proven at SummerSlam when the casuals turned on him. When you lose to nobodies for months on end, there's no recovering from it, and him now beating one of the best stars in WWE is simply not believable. Vince tried for years to destroy Ziggler's career, and he finally succeeded with Baron Corbin.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

There's a difference between putting over a top star at WrestleMania and spending MONTHS losing to a complete nobody on the pre-show. Ziggler's career is dead. He's lost to lowcard no-name rookies for so long that there's no coming back. Fans can't accept him as a big name talent anymore, and that was proven at SummerSlam when the casuals turned on him. When you lose to nobodies for months on end, there's no recovering from it, and him now beating one of the best stars in WWE is simply not believable. Vince tried for years to destroy Ziggler's career, and he finally succeeded with Baron Corbin.

You know, the Miz is in the same spot as Ziggler. The man lost to Alex Riley one month after losing the WWE Championship, then got lost in the midcard for years. Been in pre-shows and his most memorable skit from 2012-2016 is Damien Mizdow, a freaking comedy act. So if the Miz can come back from literally the bottom of the card, why can't Zigger?

His mic work has greatly improved. He now sells at the right time and does not overdo it. He speaks with passion.

In fact, Ziggler has been way more relevant than the Miz during those years, 2012-2016. Won the MITB, cashed in, had his moment at Survivor Series 2014. 2015 was the only year I don't really remember what Ziggler did.
So I can say that Ziggler has been in a better position than the Miz those past years.

 

[Aquaman6686]

You know, the Miz is in the same spot as Ziggler. The man lost to Alex Riley one month after losing the WWE Championship, then got lost in the midcard for years. Been in pre-shows and his most memorable skit from 2012-2016 is Damien Mizdow, a freaking comedy act. So if the Miz can come back from literally the bottom of the card, why can't Zigger?

His mic work has greatly improved. He now sells at the right time and does not overdo it. He speaks with passion.

In fact, Ziggler has been way more relevant than the Miz during those years, 2012-2016. Won the MITB, cashed in, had his moment at Survivor Series 2014. 2015 was the only year I don't really remember what Ziggler did.
So I can say that Ziggler has been in a better position than the Miz those past years.

Miz didn't lose to Alex Riley every week for six months. He was still a major player in storylines and competed for the WWE Championship several times after losing it, had an incredibly strong showing in the 2012 Rumble, and wrestled for the WWE title again a month later.

Since Survivor Series 2014, Vince has done EVERYTHING humanly possible to bury Dolph Ziggler. They saved him for #30 in the Rumble, where he lasted two minutes and was tossed out like a sack of dog turds. Lost at WrestleMania, pretty much vanished from the face of the earth for the spring and summer of 2015, then at Survivor Series, a year after winning one of the biggest Survivor Series matches ever, he's jobbing to an NXT nobody who just debuted, Tyler Breeze. He starts 2016 by jobbing to Kevin Owens three or four consecutive times, I forget how many. Loses at WrestleMania again, then begins the death feud with Baron Corbin, where Ziggler gets SQUASHED every week for six months. There's no recovering from that. It's IMPOSSIBLE. Ziggler is the single lowest guy on the totem pole. He could beat Brock Lesnar clean at WrestleMania and it would do NOTHING for him. There's no coming back from that level of burial. Vince wanted Ziggler buried, and he's buried. I truly hope he loses at No Mercy and leaves wrestling for good, because WWE could have printed their own money with Dolph Ziggler, but Vince's irrational hatred of him kept him down for years, and he's at the point where NOTHING can save him.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I agree with Aquaman. WWE has done everything to make fans not care about Ziggler.

From jobbing to Social Outcasts, to that horrible feud with Rusev, to jobbing to Tyler Breeze and Baron Corbin.

I really want to see Ziggler defeat Miz at No Mercy and win the Intercontinental Championship, but at this point fans aren't going to accept him because of WWE's horrible booking in the past couple of years. It's ridiculous because Ziggler was once one of the most over wrestlers in the company.

 

[Eyebrows]

I'd like Miz to hold on to it until at least The Rumble. If not then 'Mania. Maybe Dolph loses at No Mercy and returns to defeat The Miz at Mania.

I think they might put it on someone coming up from NXT though. Have them debut at The Rumble, move to Smackdown, beat Miz for the IC title at Mania. He has so much heat that it feels wasted if Ziggler is the one who dethrones him.

He's doing more to re-establish the importance of the belt than anybody has in years.

I remember everybody saying that Sandow should have beaten Miz to win the rights to the gimmick. So glad he didn't now. But Miz has been gold for years on the mic. It isn't anything new.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Seeing as The Miz has held the title for so long and has gotten more heat it would be better for him to hold on the title until you can give it to someone who will elevate themselves and the title.

My guess is that some NXT like Samoa Joe or Shinskue Nakamura can get called up to win the IC Title in their debut match WM or the night after WM (so Miz can get a year long reign).

 

[Aquaman6686]

Seeing as The Miz has held the title for so long and has gotten more heat it would be better for him to hold on the title until you can give it to someone who will elevate themselves and the title.

My guess is that some NXT like Samoa Joe or Shinskue Nakamura can get called up to win the IC Title in their debut match WM or the night after WM (so Miz can get a year long reign).

The IC title is being elevated right now because it's on a top star. Putting it on someone who just graduated from developmental instantly undoes that.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

The IC title is being elevated right now because it's on a top star. Putting it on someone who just graduated from developmental instantly undoes that.

So you consider Joe and Nakumura to be regular "developmental" talents, on the same level of a Tyler Breeze or Adam Rose. You don't take their experience or abilities into account? Absurd.

 

[Aquaman6686]

So you consider Joe and Nakumura to be regular "developmental" talents, on the same level of a Tyler Breeze or Adam Rose. You don't take their experience or abilities into account? Absurd.

Little league experience is irrelevant to me. If anything, the longer it took for them to make it to the big leagues, the less respect I have for them. I judge them only by what I see once they're on the main roster, everything else never happened as far as I'm concerned. The only question for me is will they wind up in the same camp as CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, where they made it in the big leagues and proved their worth, or the camp with guys like Sin Cara and Colt Cobana, where they can't cut it in the big leagues.

 

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

The Miz hasn't finally become awesome, Miz already was awesome he's just getting more of a chance with his current run as I.C Champion. IMO he's not quite main event material, you won't see him ever main event a Wrestlemania again, but he's a good to great mid card act.

He's right where a guy like Dean Ambrose should be, right in the mid card slot entertaining with mid card belts.

His entrance is great, his character is good, his mic work is great and his in ring work is decent.

I think he'll hold on to the title until The Royal Rumble where some face with momentum takes it off his hands.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

The IC title is being elevated right now because it's on a top star. Putting it on someone who just graduated from developmental instantly undoes that.

Joe and Nakamura aren't in NXT because they need seasoning, they are in NXT so they can get accustomed to the WWE stye. And the fact fans know who Nakamura and Joe are shows they are as big of a star as The Miz, who also wasn't doing anything until he actually won the IC title after WM.

Also NXT is not a developmental territory in a traditional sense it has exposure in the WWE Network and has it's own PPV quality specials. So suffice to say NXT is accessible enough and has enough exposure so that people who watch the main shows know who the top stars are.

Case in point Bayley's surprise entrance in Battleground. That pop she got was not from someone who graduated from a mere "developmental" league.

Little league experience is irrelevant to me.

Funny that the little league special Takeover Brooklyn II only did 300 less than Summerslam 2016 in terms of attendance.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Joe and Nakamura aren't in NXT because they need seasoning, they are in NXT so they can get accustomed to the WWE stye. And the fact fans know who Nakamura and Joe are shows they are as big of a star as The Miz, who also wasn't doing anything until he actually won the IC title after WM.

Also NXT is not a developmental territory in a traditional sense it has exposure in the WWE Network and has it's own PPV quality specials. So suffice to say NXT is accessible enough and has enough exposure so that people who watch the main shows know who the top stars are.

Case in point Bayley's surprise entrance in Battleground. That pop she got was not from someone who graduated from a mere "developmental" league.



Funny that the little league special Takeover Brooklyn II only did 300 less than Summerslam 2016 in terms of attendance.

First of all, I think that it's normal that the takeover special does that well as far as attendance is concern since most of the time, these specials are done before a big 4 event in a hardcore wrestling fans markets like new york and it's mostly those fans that go and pay ti go see a nxt takeover event live.

as for the miz losing is ic reigns against ziggler, I wouldn't be surprise if miz actually retain the ic belt against miz since I read that the reason why ziggler is on a losing streak since the draft is that his contract is almost up and this might be his last match in wwe.

If that's the case, then what a way to put the miz character over the top and bring even more prestige to the ic title.

 

[LBGetBack]

Little league experience is irrelevant to me. If anything, the longer it took for them to make it to the big leagues, the less respect I have for them. I judge them only by what I see once they're on the main roster, everything else never happened as far as I'm concerned. The only question for me is will they wind up in the same camp as CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, where they made it in the big leagues and proved their worth, or the camp with guys like Sin Cara and Colt Cobana, where they can't cut it in the big leagues.

SMH. You rip on Vince throughout the thread, and then post just like he would on this topic. Holy stuck in the past mentality.

Samoa Joe is a wrestling star with world wide recognition. Not even debatable.

 

[Navi]

I really don't want to see the Miz drop the title to Ziggler. Ziggler has become more of a crybaby lately than Big Show or Ryback ever was. If it's the intention of as Aquaman said to get rid of Ziggler once and for all, then so be it. For sure he will not be a better champion than the Miz is.

 

[Dagger Dias]

As much as I cannot stand the guy, The Miz is currently the best he's ever been. The actor gimmick and having his real wife who is a former Divas Champion assisting him has helped him not suck as much. I never thought he should have gotten back the Intercontinental Championship in the first place although he is better than having Zigger win it for yet another boring reign. The stipulation for No Mercy does have me interested in the match, if anything to see what will happen to Ziggler. He should NOT be the one to end Miz's reign. Have Miz retain over Ziggler who then takes the semester off and comes back at the Rumble under a new gimmick and then Ziggler under this new persona goes to Raw. I'm done with the whole "I'm stealing the show!" gimmick, it's been old for years. So if not Ziggler, then who? Miz's promos have always been his strongest category. His disagreements lately with Daniel Bryan should lead to Bryan bringing in someone from NXT to face Miz, by this point it needs to be something big. WWE shouldn't waste the momentum for this with another pointless Ziggler reign. While I will NEVER belive him to be main event level talent, Miz has been better than ever lately and I as someone who strongly dislikes the guy can admit to that. Just have him lose the title in a way that makes sense and keep him away from the World Championship.

 

[ShinChan]

I really don't want to see the Miz drop the title to Ziggler. Ziggler has become more of a crybaby lately than Big Show or Ryback ever was. If it's the intention of as Aquaman said to get rid of Ziggler once and for all, then so be it. For sure he will not be a better champion than the Miz is.

So much of this.

Miz has been at his best with InterContinental Title. And anyone who defeats him for the title would surely get a huge rub off him. Plus, Ziggler doesn't need this huge rub.

As for the thread, I think that Miz should lose the title to Samoa Joe once he is called-up to the main roster after NxT TakeOver Toronto where he loses again to Shinsuke Nakamura for the NxT title. I amn't saying to hotshot him straight to the title win. Have him in a feud with someone like Apollo Crews. Then the Miz.