The 4 Horsemen are back... well, sort of.

[It's Damn Real!]

Ric Flair confirmed what we've all been talking about for the last two monhts when his "big announcement" tonight was that he was reforming the infamous 4 Horsemen in TNA, except due to legal obligations (god damn you, Vince!) they won't be called the 4 Horsemen (don't worry – he didn't say it like that) – instead they'll be called "Fortune", or what I'm going to call them – "Fourtune".

The concept of a redefined Horsemen group should be a treat to watch, but with five members to choose from between Wolfe, Kaz, AJ, Storm and Roode, there's gotta be an odd-man out somewhere, no? Flair doesn't count, obviously.

Flair noted earlier tonight that if Wolfe lost his bout with Lethal that he'd get the boot, but following his loss they beat Lethal down together before the Hogan run-in, and Flair didn't look too upset with Wolfe – certainly not like his reaction to AJ's loss to Lethal at Slammiversary – that's for sure, so I'm not sold on the idea that Wolfe is really out of the Fourtune picture just yet.

Beer Money, Inc. (not held under the same stipulations) won their match and advanced to the finals in the TNA Tag Team Tournament for the right to face the MCMG at Victory Road, and the seeds for the AJ/Kaz feud were planted weeks ago, so the question is who's the real odd-man out, and how successful do you see the Fourtune stable being?

Do you see success for a reinstallation stable in TNA, or is this destined to fail?

Thoughts?

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I think that they can be a very successful stable depending on how they are booked. Hopefully they will be booked as a very dominating faction. I think that the odd man will most likely be either AJ or Kaz. I think eventually that Aj will be the odd man out and he will be turning face soon

 

[The Shockmaster]

I like this idea but i think the name of it is another fail on the part of tna. I am in no way a hater of tna and i prefer most of it over this new era wwe. But "Fortune" is almost as bad a name as "The Band" for the Wolfpac. Why couldnt they just name it the Four Henchman or something. There all going to be heels so the name fits.

If there really is an ECW stable brewing i really like this stable of flair and his goons. However i feel it is just an answer to wwe's nxt angle and possible stable. If it is something that creative takes seriously i feel this stable will work in the long run. Hopefully sort of a horseman/evolution mix.

i feel they need some titles to make it official...maybe beer money with the tag belts and someone else with the global...and get Desmond out of there and stop jobbing him and get him back to championship feud status

 

[ABMorales787]

Well AJ is the only choice. Kicking out Desmond would be dumb. He's the only member to show he can be competent no matter what. He showed it after the match by not hesitating in attacking Jay Lethal. Plus with the promo during the where AJ spoke to him, that just added to the idea of everyone kicking AJ out. That's the great thing with Desmond. No matter what, he bounces with ease. Kaz being the odd man out would also be dumb. He was just recruited.

 

[RVDisTNA]

I love the new faction. I hope it's as successful as Evolution was in the early 2000's. Beer Money will win the tag belts at Victory Road. Desmond Wolfe could win the Global Title from Rob Terry. Kaz can take the X-division and AJ can take the World title. They can potentially hold all the gold in TNA and if TNA is smart they'll go with it. Nothing build's a Face like making them fight and work for it against inpossible odds. Look at Austin and The Rock. Constantly fighting the Top heels just trying to get to the top. That's what they should do.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I like this idea but i think the name of it is another fail on the part of tna. I am in no way a hater of tna and i prefer most of it over this new era wwe. But "Fortune" is almost as bad a name as "The Band" for the Wolfpac. Why couldnt they just name it the Four Henchman or something. There all going to be heels so the name fits.

If there really is an ECW stable brewing i really like this stable of flair and his goons. However i feel it is just an answer to wwe's nxt angle and possible stable. If it is something that creative takes seriously i feel this stable will work in the long run. Hopefully sort of a horseman/evolution mix.

i feel they need some titles to make it official...maybe beer money with the tag belts and someone else with the global...and get Desmond out of there and stop jobbing him and get him back to championship feud status

I actually don't mind the Fourtune name, to be honest. Far better than such a blatant rip-off as the 4 Hencheman, IMO. I know the idea is to be another incarnation, but Evolution was as well, and even they weren't named after the Horsemen.

You do make a great point about the titles though – considering the momentum Beer Money, Inc. are taking heading into next week, and despite the fact they're going up against TNA's golden boys Ink Inc., I could certainly see BMI winning the tag title shot at Victory Road and sneaking away with a cheap victory – something that would both give Fourtune prestige with their first decoration in gold, as well as give the MCMG a reason to exist again by igniting a feud with BMI over the straps.

 

[The Shockmaster]

I actually don't mind the Fourtune name, to be honest. Far better than such a blatant rip-off as the 4 Hencheman, IMO. I know the idea is to be another incarnation, but Evolution was as well, and even they weren't named after the Horsemen.

You do make a great point about the titles though – considering the momentum Beer Money, Inc. are taking heading into next week, and despite the fact they're going up against TNA's golden boys Ink Inc., I could certainly see BMI winning the tag title shot at Victory Road and sneaking away with a cheap victory – something that would both give Fourtune prestige with their first decoration in gold, as well as give the MCMG a reason to exist again by igniting a feud with BMI over the straps.

I understand what your saying...but i just dont think the name "Fortune" has the same ring to it as other great stables had.

i mean look at past stable names
-N.W.O
-the ministry
-the corporation
-degeneration x
-evolution

IMO "fortune" just sounds like a name that describes a stable of rich snobbish people similar to what was said to be in the works for wwe with Ted Dibase. And plus it doesn't sound as dominate as the "Fortunate Sons" which is what there stable name would be.

To me i jus wouldnt fear a stable called Furtune...but thats just me.

 

[Quantum11]

its funny cuz i was looking at a shoot of Nash and they ask him " what do you think of flair saying the NWO was a joke and that the horsemen was the greatest faction". Nash said "are you kidding me, the horsemen couldnt hold ower jock strap". Classic Nash. And i saw that the day before iMPACT. My point is flair looked like he was shootin when he cut his promo, and notice this comes after soctt hall is gone, and with only young and nash the band is as good as done.So maybe tna didnt want 2 factions.................just something to make u go hmmmmm?B ut as far as the thread, yes it will do great. too much great telent not to. ANd iam ghost!

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I understand what your saying...but i just dont think the name "Fortune" has the same ring to it as other great stables had.

i mean look at past stable names
-N.W.O
-the ministry
-the corporation
-degeneration x
-evolution

IMO "fortune" just sounds like a name that describes a stable of rich snobbish people similar to what was said to be in the works for wwe with Ted Dibase. And plus it doesn't sound as dominate as the "Fortunate Sons" which is what there stable name would be.

To me i jus wouldnt fear a stable called Furtune...but thats just me.

It's a little awkward – I'll give you that, and it's certainly no Main Even Mafia, but I don't think it's that bad.

They should read my posts and consider spelling it "Four"tune to make it a play on words. That much is for certain!

The real key here will be on why they were named Fortune/Fourtune, which I hope will be more along the lines of money and less along the lines of fortunate to be in Flair's good graces, ya know?

 

[MB1025]

Kaz will be the odd man out.

Right now Flair is being more friendly to Kaz and if anyone has watched the 4 Horsemen in the past when there is an odd man out the guy that Flair hates is never the one to go.


BTW he compared AJ Styles to Arn Anderson. He compared Kaz to Windham


I don't see AJ Styles getting kicked out. I am sure they will fight at Victory Road and every member including Flair will come down and beat up Kaz during or after the match.

 

[The Shockmaster]

I feel you on the name and how they play it out...i hope it works but the personalities of there group members are all over the place...i mean two guys centered around drinking beer, one british guy who abuses his girlfriend, i guy who cant get over(kaz), and AJ Stylez which i think is great. I mean ive been a fan of this group of flairs goons but as a permanent stable...im leary to see how it works out, but ill hope for the best.

 

[Reddannihilation]

I like this idea but i think the name of it is another fail on the part of tna. I am in no way a hater of tna and i prefer most of it over this new era wwe. But "Fortune" is almost as bad a name as "The Band" for the Wolfpac. Why couldnt they just name it the Four Henchman or something. There all going to be heels so the name fits.

If there really is an ECW stable brewing i really like this stable of flair and his goons. However i feel it is just an answer to wwe's nxt angle and possible stable. If it is something that creative takes seriously i feel this stable will work in the long run. Hopefully sort of a horseman/evolution mix.

i feel they need some titles to make it official...maybe beer money with the tag belts and someone else with the global...and get Desmond out of there and stop jobbing him and get him back to championship feud status

The Four Henchmen?

Fortune's a good name. Perhaps The Fourtune would be good enough. There's still time for TNA to add a "The" and alter the spelling when they boot out AJ and give them a group entrance theme. It's AJ who's gonna go for obvious reasons, 1.) Kaz is the one who panders to Flair and 2.) If Kaz is kicked out he goes back to midcard face with zero character and personality. If AJ gets kicked out he goes back to being immensely over and a face again. If AJ stays it'd be like saving the guy on the beach instead of the drowning man in the water.

The group should be good provided a few major things happen; Wolfe goes back to winning matches and he starts using that rebound lariat, that put Angle down, to take out his opponents. Seriously he's been jobbing so long I actually had to think about what his finisher's were.

Kaz is going to need to build some legitmacy so it might be an idea for him to at least lay claim to the Global title, by having that and being the leader we might finally see a point to that title.

The only downside is Beer Money because they're a tag team and if they're going to move beyond being "enforcers" they're going to have to win the titles which will piss off more people who wanted to see the Guns win them.

All in all bringing these guys together as an offical faction instead of just "Team Flair" is a good thing.

 

[Captain America]

I think AJ is certainly the odd-man out. Kaz needs the rub more than AJ does. AJ can get over on his own right now, given his history as a main-event guy. Kaz on the other hand has never been a main-event player, therefor he needs the rub from Flair much more so than AJ. Plus AJ is better as a face anyway. Him getting kicked out of Fourtune is just any easy way for him to turn face again. I'd be utterly shocked if it wasn't AJ who was the odd-man out.

 

[NatureBoyFig4]

One thing to remember, there was also talk of Reid Flair signing with TNA. If he has or is about to, he's almost certain to be involved with the 4tune faction in some capacity. Could the odd man out wind up being Ric Flair? Could Jay Lethal wind up being a member? The possibilities are endless. Whooooo!

 

[MisterRob]

I'm just not feeling this stable at all. I loved the Four Horsemen, they're my all time favorite stable, in fact. The Fortune, though? I think it has a lot of potential with Beer Money involved, as I feel they're both a perfect fit. I also like Desmond Wolfe and really hope he's staying and remains a part of the stable.

My problem though is beyond that, because the only logical way to move forward and get rid of one of the five is to remove AJ Styles. Styles doesn't need to be involved in the first place and he'd be a much better face on his own. I've hated him with Flair from the beginning so I'm all for him breaking away and going a better direction. But Kaz? I don't believe Kaz fits at all, for one.. but I certainly don't believe Kaz is credible enough, or has a chance of ever getting over enough (because the guy CAN'T get over) to be the top heel of the stable. Kaz is even a worse choice for the protege of Flair then Styles was, and the guy shouldn't even be anywhere near this stable or angle.

Logically they're going to run with Kaz though in some way in this stable, although I would much rather see Kaz gone, or at least placed in the background of the stable and Desmond Wolfe as the leader. Desmond Wolfe has all the tools, in and out of the ring, to be the leader, the top heel, and a credible World champion in this angle. Kaz is none of those things.

And f'ck Flair and TNA if they bring in the unproven, green Reid Flair and toss him as a prominent figure in this stable and this angle. It'd be David Flair in WCW all over again.

 

[NatureBoyFig4]

And f'ck Flair and TNA if they bring in the unproven, green Reid Flair and toss him as a prominent figure in this stable and this angle. It'd be David Flair in WCW all over again.

Hopefully, they will have trained him & then they'll bring him gradually. I absolutely hated the way David was mishandled by WCW. The guy was literally thrown to the wolves. Barring a miracle, the wrestling world will never know if David could make it if given half a chance. Reid pretty much showed him up when he was a little kid & talked smack with Gene Okerlund.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well I'm not really sold on the name Fortune or Fourtune for the faction. Also, it kind defeats the purpose to refer to yourself as the 4 Horsemen when you have 5 wrestlers in the stable. I think they should of announced this stable months ago. Now that they are a stable, it really doesn't mean that much since none of the guys in the faction have won a match in weeks. Besides Beer Money tonight.

If the stable was just Flair,Styles, Wolfe, and Beer Money like it was in the past, then it would be great. Styles could be champ with Beer Money as tag team champs. Wolfe could either be X Division or Global Champion. God knows Rob Terry needs that title like he needs another muscle in his head.

With Wolfe losing and Styles arguing with Kaz, this stable doesn't seem that credible. Kaz is like the Mongo of the group. I think Wolfe would do a great job as the enforcer if he actually won a match. Beer Money are obviously the brawn as Tully and Ole Anderson. AJ was pretty much the Nature Boy before Lethal became him. I just hope TNA doesn't drop the ball on this one. I just feel that this is another recreation of the 4 Horsemen that won't last long.

None of these guys will be worth a damn unless they win matches or take out their opponents.

 

[hman24]

I would think the odd man out would have to be AJ but I don't know if that is as much I think as it is want. I think that is what the purpose of this childish bickering they've been doing is for. To remove Styles from flairs good graces. Personally I don't feel the need to make AJ a face just for him to be AJ again. If we are gonna have a heel AJ that's fine, but make him a heel AJ not a Flair Jr. I don't know if kicking him out will turn him face which is what I would like but at least he'd be AJ.

 

[Auxlz]

For awhile now there has been talk about a new stable in WWE run by Ted Jr named The Fortune Sons or w/e... Does anyone else not think TNA made this name because they know Vince wont want to make a stable with a name so similar to one TNA made before him?

 

[Caitiff]

I think that they can be a very successful stable depending on how they are booked. Hopefully they will be booked as a very dominating faction. I think that the odd man will most likely be either AJ or Kaz. I think eventually that Aj will be the odd man out and he will be turning face soon

This is TNA, remember?

 

[Ferbian]

I think this stable could work, Ric Flair has always been associated with greater stables, and with him in what will most likely be a mentor position, it's bound to work.

Ric Flair made Evolution look good, while Triple H was the definite leader, which A.J will probably be somewhat a leader of here, Ric Flair will still play a huge role in this one, and I think it's a great idea really, because Ric Flair h as some of his best times when in a stable of sorts, or associated with someone else.

This could very well prove to build Desmond Wolfe into a firm upper mid-carder if done properly, the same goes with Beer Money who could benefit from this, there's really no downside to this one, I've never seen any downside to a faction where Ric Flair is associated.

Problem with the whole "fourtune" that you want to call it IDR would probably be the fact that they're not 4 members, but I do agree, it could very well become a.. how many times? coming of The Four Horsemen.

 

[PEP3]

Fortune is exactly like The Four Horsemen...Well, except that it consists largely of guys who have no charisma, haven't won a match in several weeks and are jobbing, for some reason, to Black Machismo! Nothing says "top heel faction" like a group of chumps losing to a knock-off of a favorite character from 25 years ago! "Ohhhh, yeah!"

 

[Low_Ki]

The group is a clever pick up for TNA.

I liked the Main Event Mafia but I like this stable. The only thing I don't like is Kaz and Desmond Wolfe in the group.

Kaz just does not fit the bill for me. When you look at the top guys in the group, Flair, Styles and Beer Money, its a big beefy group of guys who are already massively successful in their own right. Then you have Kaz, who although is an excellent performer, he just doesn't have the mic work or gimmick to get himself over in the group. Maybe I'm hating (I am) but I think Kaz was better suited to the X Division as a loner, or as part of a tag team.

Desmond Wolfe has the opposite problem. I think he is an excellent singles wrestler and is far better suited to being by himself. He has the 'main event' feel to him, and I don't think he needs a stable to help him get there.

Hopefully Fourtune are booked properly, could make for some interesting viewing.

 

[snoopy]

Fortune is exactly like The Four Horsemen...Well, except that it consists largely of guys who have no charisma, haven't won a match in several weeks and are jobbing, for some reason, to Black Machismo! Nothing says "top heel faction" like a group of chumps losing to a knock-off of a favorite character from 25 years ago! "Ohhhh, yeah!"

About the same amount of charisma as tully,arn,and ole.the only guy in the four horseman that had off the charts charisma was flair.and by the way the horseman lost alot too they got bounced around more then you may remember. and that's their jobs they supposed to make the babyfaces look good.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

This makes sense, so that's a good start TNA. The roles are well defined and obvious (which in this case is a good thing). If Styles is to be kicked out, it could well be in a more Corporation/Rock style. He was champion lost it and was no longer any use to the authority figure (McMahon/Flair). It's an interesting one and if they do boot out Styles, this could be a good thing for Desmond Wolfe and possibly push him back up the card.

If Styles stays however, it's still an interesting idea. He's your star/leader and he could well get over even further (if it's possible) with the crowd with an assault on the belt. This is certainly similar to where Triple H was in 2004. HHH couldn't beat Benoit and actually ended up in the Midcard feuding with Eugene & losing (twice) to Shelton Benjamin while Benoit lost the belt. Styles is in the same sort of boat and it will be interesting to see where they take it from here.