Take your heel turn and shove it up your Nexus!

[Hawkeye]

Why is everyone's answer to everything Raw related a heel turn? Cena doesn't need a heel turn, Morrison doesn't need a heel turn, Edge shouldn't have had a heel turn and Jericho will never,EEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEER be Y2J again!(I know that was contradictory,but I had to do it)

Some of you suggest these heel turns without considering the fact that Raw clearly has a crowded main event,with only two faces. Cena and Orton are currently carrying the side of justice on the red brand all alone, with R-Truth and Morrison coming to assist sporadically. I know being a heel is easy, but we really do need more faces on Raw. It seems like they realized the crowd love to hate those guys that we love to hate. The Irish meme Sheamus, the arrogant Jericho, the obnoxious Miz, the Long Island Loudmouth, the bragadocious Usos, Fortunate Son Ted and his "Bodyguard" Maryse,and of course the Nexus will always be a formidable foe to anyone with a WWE contract,so who do we have to combat these guys? The aforementioned four,SanKozlov, Hart Dynasty(who?),Khaluber(what?), and Yoshi Tatsu(why?)

If anything,we need more credible faces for Raw.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

I agree, Im waiting for the imminent implosion of Nexus to see where its going with the Heel/face distribution will be.

Darren Young: He's not amazing on the mic, He's cursed with looking so similar to Cena that it will hurt him. His in ring isn't bad, I can see him in the Us title picture, not winning, but at least contending if they give him a decent character. I think he could be either heel or face, but mostly I see him as a heel, if built right.

Heath slater:He's got a bit of charisma, so he could be both, he could be

Wade Barrett: This man is GOLDEN. He's a natural heel, but not due to the cliche ''Im great, unlike people in THIS town'' type of heel, He's arrogant, he can talk, and he's just that good. He's got the best chance to make it in Wwe.

David Otunga He's got heel written all over him, Arrogant, has a great look, his in ring can get better, but time can help that.

Skip Sheppfield HEEL...ALL DAY. This man is a MONSTER, he has a insane look, and the whole face deal in the beginning was horrible, once Nexus took over and he took on the Stan Hansen lariat as a finish, he won me.

Justin Gabriel Cant talk worth a damn, but his in ring is good enough to work out some good feuds. Give him a good gimmick or mic work and he can be a good cocky Rick Martel type of heel, or a likeable face. A Us title feud with Miz, or a feud with Danielson can work

Micheal Tarver He's a heel. The bandana mask is cool, and his mic work is pretty good, his in ring is shit, but once again, he can get better.

 

[Miss Flawless]

Okay, well, I skip all the threads about Cena/Orton/Y2J face/heel turns.

I personally think, that you looked to deep into peoples points of views. Like, maybe it was just a fantasy thread. I do agree that we need more faces on RAW, because the brand is too crowded with heels already.

1. Edge shouldn't have turned heel, or move him back to SD! - The guy is pure gold as a heel, and is very stale as a face. (SPEAR! SPEAR! SPEAR!...gimme a break.) But, he shouldn't have moved to RAW, just because SD! is sorta like 'his brand'. He belongs there.

2. If Edge doesn't go, then Jericho should - We need a better top heel than CM Punk, he's good, but Jericho's better. Jericho needs to go back, and put more people over there.

3. JoMo should not turn heel - Like you said, we need more faces on RAW, and JoMo is fine as a face. I mean, he's super shitty on the mic, but he can improve, nobody is a master.

4. Miz should turn face as soon as he is done with Daniel Bryan - Just because if Vince wants to make him the 'next face of the WWE', then Miz needs to find his inner superhero.

 

[The Best At What I Do]

You make a damn good point there. RAW is not only overstacked with main-eventers, there are also far too many heels already to warrant a heel turn from anyone. The addition of Nexus brought in another 7 (now 6) heels in a storyline so big it has been overshadowing the WWE title picture.

Let's look at the participants in the 6-pack challenge for the top championship at Night of Champions for a second:

Sheamus O'Shaunnessy(c) - Heel
Chris Jericho - Heel
Edge- Heel
Wade Barrett - Heel
Randy Orton - Tweener (no differet from face really but...)
John Cena - Face

One face in the entire championship picture. If Cena were to turn heel then who would be the beacon of light for all the kiddies to cheer for? I just can't wait for SmackDown! to move to SyFy so 1. I can actually see it, and B. The main eventers are redistributed more evenly.

P.S. - Leave the Jericho impressions to me hahaha

 

[Okininja]

I think most people on theses threads state that they want Cena and JoMo and the likes of these wrestlers to have a heel turn because:

1. They feel they're character is bland or just not moving anywhere.

2. They would like to see a change of pace from said wrestlers

3. Heels tend to be more appealing to the older crowds because they are not so one dimentional and are usually good if not better on the mic.

They just want to see change and are not really thinking about how many faces vs. how many heels are on the roster, cause in reality that could be fixed via roster trade or draft.

I personally don't think the faces need a full heel turn but maybe just a little heel tweek. I mean look what it's doing for Randy Orton, full-fledged heel, now one of the most beloved guys wrestling today. And he still hasn't changed how he acts in the ring, just who he faces.

Oh and...

But, he shouldn't have moved to RAW, just because SD! is sorta like 'his brand'. He belongs there.

really really?

I have never once thought that Smackdown! as Edge's show.
I mean it's not like he's never been a regular superstar on RAW, and whenever he was on Smackdown! there have been superstars that were above him, for exaple Undertaker, the Rock, Batista, and Rey Mysterio to name a few.

The only wrestlers I feel that Smackdown! has been they're show is:
1. The Rock
2. The Undertaker
3. This is still up in the air, but Rey Mysterio

 

[El Rev sXe]

THANK YOU! I'm sick of reading on these forums at EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PPV:"Cena is going to turn heel...it's sooooooooooo freakin obvious" STOP IT! people need to understand that it ain't going to happen anytime soon, why the fuck can't you just wait! I'm a Cena hater, but man even me can understand that the fucking heel turn ain't going to happen soon... it's just ridiculous to think so many people guessing that the E is going to turn heel his biggest draw one day to another.....

anyway,I agree with the OP, Cena and Orton are the only faces of RAW, and they have the biggest feuds. Morrison and R-truth aren't doing anything of their lifes and probably won't do. I give my money to Daniel Bryan (Danielson lol). his feud with Miz/Cole is fucking gold! I think it could take like 2 or even 3 PPVs. then Danielson can draw alot of pops! therefore becoming the third huge face in RAW and the first one who can actually wrestle!

 

[RD_21]

A wrestler needs a heel turn when he is becoming stale or lost in oblivion that's why people think some wrestler deserve a turn. And I don't care that there's only Orton and Cena as big face on Raw, Cena still NEED a heel turn.

If you turn Cena heel it will break the hearth of the kiddies and they will then cheer like crazy for whoever you put against him, be it Jericho, Edge or Khali. The person who would stand against a heel Cena would be elevated to the top in no time and become the new God since Cena betrayal would be so painful for them.

For Morrison people are saying that he needs a heel turn because he is nothing special as a face and he is clearly better at playing an heel.

 

[Miss Flawless]

I have never once thought that Smackdown! as Edge's show.
I mean it's not like he's never been a regular superstar on RAW, and whenever he was on Smackdown! there have been superstars that were above him, for exaple Undertaker, the Rock, Batista, and Rey Mysterio to name a few.

The only wrestlers I feel that Smackdown! has been they're show is:
1. The Rock
2. The Undertaker
3. This is still up in the air, but Rey Mysterio

Relax yourself buddy, I didn't mean it like that. I meant that Edge belongs there. It's not The Rock's show, (although he made it amazing), it's not The Undertaker's and it's not Rey Mysterio's. It's nobody's show. It's just a show with different people in it.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Well the Nexus as you said can really feud with anyone they want to because well that is what they do. They destroy everything in their path to make it to the top. I really do not think anyone needs a heel turn right now, but a face turn is much needed for a superstar who is rated R. Edge needs to go back to SD!, drop the Rated R gimmick, become a top face, and feud with Alberto Del Rio, or even The Miz if he goes to SD! But yeah no heel turns are needed right now because we have enough heels in the business. One more thing, Justin Gabriel is good as a heel or face because he has that blankness about him that forces you to not know what he is going to do. He is a good wrestler and has a good character and he will be successful in the WWE.

 

[MWRedskins]

It seems like they realized the crowd love to hate those guys that we love to hate. The Irish meme Sheamus, the arrogant Jericho, the obnoxious Miz, the Long Island Loudmouth, the bragadocious Usos, Fortunate Son Ted and his "Bodyguard" Maryse,and of course the Nexus will always be a formidable foe to anyone with a WWE contract,so who do we have to combat these guys? The aforementioned four,SanKozlov, Hart Dynasty(who?),Khaluber(what?), and Yoshi Tatsu(why?)
Well, Ted, The Usos and Ryder arent really big time players in WWE when it comes to being heels although i am hoping that changes with Ted very soon. As for The Nexus, my hope is that the groups ends up shrinking to maybe 4 guys.
If anything,we need more credible faces for Raw.
i agree that is true, BUT we do have one in Daniel Bryan who will hopefully take the US title off of Miz at Night of Champions.

Now someone mentioned the Nexus, i am hoping that if the group disbands that some of them go to Smackdown.

Darren Young: He's not amazing on the mic, He's cursed with looking so similar to Cena that it will hurt him. His in ring isn't bad, I can see him in the Us title picture, not winning, but at least contending if they give him a decent character. I think he could be either heel or face, but mostly I see him as a heel, if built right.
here's the guy i want on Smackdown. Raw isnt fit for him in my view, he could be a good heel, i hope Smackdown is in his future.
Heath slater:He's got a bit of charisma, so he could be both, he could be
stay on RAW as a face.
Wade Barrett: This man is GOLDEN. He's a natural heel, but not due to the cliche ''Im great, unlike people in THIS town'' type of heel, He's arrogant, he can talk, and he's just that good. He's got the best chance to make it in Wwe.
has to remain a heel, he's got future WWE Champion written all over him.
David Otunga He's got heel written all over him, Arrogant, has a great look, his in ring can get better, but time can help that.
i agree, he's got heel written all over him too. At Night of Champions, my hope is that David Otunga and Michael Tarver team up and win the WWE Tag Team titles.

Skip Sheppfield HEEL...ALL DAY. This man is a MONSTER, he has a insane look, and the whole face deal in the beginning was horrible, once Nexus took over and he took on the Stan Hansen lariat as a finish, he won me.
if Nexus does what i want and shrinks to 4 guys, i hope he remains with them.

Justin Gabriel Cant talk worth a damn, but his in ring is good enough to work out some good feuds. Give him a good gimmick or mic work and he can be a good cocky Rick Martel type of heel, or a likeable face. A Us title feud with Miz, or a feud with Danielson can work
i say Smackdown would be best for him, have him team up with someone who can speak.

Micheal Tarver He's a heel. The bandana mask is cool, and his mic work is pretty good, his in ring is shit, but once again, he can get better.
he's a guy i like too. In the ring isnt as bad as some think, his mic work is 3rd best in the Nexus behind only Barrett and Otunga. i think a tag team with Otunga would work.

 

[CyDeez]

Maybe it would help to bring a Face in...

Since SD currently have a few guys really doing nothing that DO have talent.

Instead of turning someone Face that is a Heel, keep the same amount of Heels and bring a Face in to add to Raw.

Christian is my example. I think he could be doing much more on SD. To me, he is one of WWE's best all around talents. It is well known that Vince has some sort of grudge against Christian or just doesn't like him for some reason.

But come on!!!! The dude is good and has every tool to be GREAT! I think putting him in the Raw picture would be smart. There is a bunch of chances to have a feud that hasn't been done before or would be epic in it's own right.

Christian Vs. Sheamus....

Edge Vs. Christian needs to happen... Why not now? Gives Edge something relevant to do as well.

Christian Vs. Miz.... Imagine the promos here!

Christian Vs. Jericho... A LOT of history here. I would really enjoy a current feud with these 2...

Christian Vs. Ted Dibiase... Not to sure I want to see Christian take a step back here. Though this would probably help Dibiase some, I would rather see them use Christian against established "Main Event" talent.

Christian Vs. Nexus... Though this sort of gets a similar response like Christian Vs. Dibiase. At least Nexus is what is relevant at the time. He is a good veteran to get involved in this feud on the side of WWE. I wouldn't necessarily want Christian Vs. any Nexus member, including Barrett, in a one on one feud. Christian helping as one of the group, against Nexus is some what intriguing.

All in all...

I think adding Christian to the Raw scene, as a Face. COULD help for sure. He is a viable name for any one of the top guys to feud with and be interesting.

 

[Fisheatppl]

I think the point is that we don't only want a Cena turn. Dont turn him and leave everything else and everyone else the same. I am one of the people who want him to turn. I think it needs to be done, and badly. I do understand why they don't though, even though I disagree with them the reasons why he doesn't turn are valid. But no one wants only a Cena heel turn, we need a Cena heel turn and a heel turn to a face, or a new face brought to Raw. I think a Cena heel turn would co-incide with a Miz face turn perfectly. They want Miz to be the future? He's got to take out the present to do that. I also understand why a Miz turn currently won't happen. But maybe a double turn, Cena vs. Miz? But I agree there does need to be more faces on Raw, SuperCena is just getting ridiculous. There is no conflict. Its like a fight between Superman vs... me. There is no point to watch it you know the outcome, he's already come back from everything they can throw at him. He's already "Stood tall and never gave up" more times to count. THAT is why he needs a heel turn. Its boring. As much as the kiddies love to watch Cena do the impossible day by day, minute by minute, even they know whats going to happen. Cena doesn't lose, occasionally he gets screwed. How much more exciting could it be if he's doing the screwing over, hell even keep him winning. Make him one of the few tough as hell villains. I wouldn't mind him being champion if he was a villain. It would be NEW. EXCITING. It has nothing to do with we need more heels. Everything to do with we need a change. The draft is BS. 75% of the people drafted are doing nothing different then what they were. Big Show and Edge (to a point) are really the only ones doing something different, but even thats a stretch. I go on too long you get my point.

And I completely agree about Christian, I definately feel like SD is holding him back.

 

[jkenyon81]

Relax yourself buddy, I didn't mean it like that. I meant that Edge belongs there. It's not The Rock's show, (although he made it amazing), it's not The Undertaker's and it's not Rey Mysterio's. It's nobody's show. It's just a show with different people in it.

i agree Edge should be on SD but the reason he's on raw is simple. The WWE overstocks the flagship before summer to build stories that Vince HOPES will be good enough to pull viewers from his nemesis..... Monday Night Football. Vince hates that it garners more viewers and EVERY year you see all the bigs but like 3 on Raw. this year it's Punk, Mysterio, and Shows turn to house sit SD while everyone else parties on Raw.

btw. SD is Takers show, he's never been traded to Raw like HBK was never traded to SD. before HBKs retirement, they were the staples of their shows.

 

[jkenyon81]

a Cena heel turn would be nice

now that everyone is done rolling their eyes at reading that for like the 10th time, i'll explain.
first- i am not a Cena fan, and agree that it would make Cena "fresh"
second- that would leave Orton as the ONLY big face, and hell, bring back HHH as leader of Nexus (not going to happen) or an evil gm..... stack the deck against Orton as the only big face. sure their will be mid-card faces but leave Orton as the only big one, because....
- when the NWO started, almost everyone turned heel which skyrocketted DDP as a huge face and it worked.
- back when Vince ended up being the leader of the ministry (remember that, good times) Austin was the ONLY big face and it worked.
- during the Shano-mac led WCW invasion after Austin flipped, Kurt Angle was kinda only the big face and it worked.

so in closing.... the One big face versus EVERYONE is tried and true, it would work.

 

[Bill Lesnar]

Bill Lesnar wants to know why the wwe have not turned captain charisma face yet?

Christians promos calling out cena in 2005 are rated by Bill Lesnar as the best of that year, along with triple h's promos on flair

 

[bigpawpa27]

the reason everyone wants a cena heel turn is cause there tired of seeing the same old cena. Now alot of people know that cena turning heel probably won't happen but it would be different. And having something different happen to someone like cena would be a good thing.

I have to agree with the comments on Christian I feel he would do better as a face and on Raw. The feuds that were mentioned are part of it and just having more faces would be a plus for Raw.

I think that most of Nexus will probably be heels ther only one that might be a face is Gabriel for the reasons a previous poster stated.

There will a;.lways be that group of people who want a heel turn for Cena and until it happens that group probably won't go away period.