Stupid Kimbo Slice Argument Thread

[HBK-aholic]

How do you know none of it applies?!? Again, no one can predict a heart attack or stroke. Have you ever heard of an UNDETECTED heart condition?!? People die from it every day.

Actually, heart attacks and strokes can be predicted. And have been, several times. A heart attack rarely just 'happens' but instead has several risk factors, and can be predicted with several physiological markers, such as hypertension, hypercholesterolemia and a raised CRP, as well as taking into account several social factors and other diseases which are present in that persons health and lifestyle. There is literally medication created to reduce a persons risk of myocardial infarction, which are given to people who are predicted to likely have a heart attack based on the aforementioned factors.

If you're going to make a fool out of yourself, at least have the facts.

And yes, I have both a cardiac and critical care background outside these forums.

 

[Makaveli31]

And how does this apply to the specific case we are talking about? STFU and go home.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

So someone who has been or is in the field that's being discussed chimes in with her Professional opinion, complete with facts to back it up and you still tell her to shut the fuck up?

You are a sad, sad little man

 

[Makaveli31]

Actually, heart attacks and strokes can be predicted. And have been, several times. A heart attack rarely just 'happens' but instead has several risk factors, and can be predicted with several physiological markers, such as hypertension, hypercholesterolemia and a raised CRP, as well as taking into account several social factors and other diseases which are present in that persons health and lifestyle. There is literally medication created to reduce a persons risk of myocardial infarction, which are given to people who are predicted to likely have a heart attack based on the aforementioned factors.

We are talking about the Kimbo Slice case here. You are generalizing. Who gives a fuck. So tell, in your opinion, (if you do have cardiac and critical care background) you believe this event was caused solely by the use of anabolic steroids? Which was the ORIGINAL discussion?

 

[Makaveli31]

So someone who has been or is in the field that's being discussed chimes in with her Professional opinion, complete with facts to back it up and you still tell her to shut the fuck up?

You are a sad, sad little man

I asked her how does this apply to the case we are talking about. The discussion was about anabolic steroid use being the SOLE cause of heart failure.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

No one in this entire thread said steroid abuse was the sole cause of heart failure you fucking gimp.

All that's been said is that in the case of Kimbo Slice, a man who has passed every pre fight physical, it is most likely what happened.

You don't go from homeless to jacked like he did without help.

 

[Makaveli31]

Professional opinion

OK "professional opinion" was this catastrophic event caused SOLELY by the use of anabolic steroids?

 

[Makaveli31]

No one in this entire thread said steroid abuse was the sole cause of heart failure you fucking gimp.

All that's been said is that in the case of Kimbo Slice, a man who has passed every pre fight physical, it is most likely what happened.

You don't go from homeless to jacked like he did without help.
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OOoooohhh now we're backtracking LOL.

 

[Makaveli31]

No one in this entire thread said steroid abuse was the sole cause of heart failure you fucking gimp.

Bottom line is you don't know shit

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Good lord you really are special needs aren't you?

I never said one way or the other what killed the guy because I don't really care. It's Norcal who's saying that Steroid Abuse killed him so I can't backtrack from shit I never said in the first place.

OK "professional opinion" was this catastrophic event caused SOLELY by the use of anabolic steroids?

How the fuck should I know? I'm not a professional.

 

[HBK-aholic]

STFU and go home.

You can always tell someone knows there argument was wrong when they resort to this. Well done.

We are talking about the Kimbo Slice case here. You are generalizing. Who gives a fuck.

Actually, you were generalising, I simply showed how your generalising was factually incorrect.

So tell, in your opinion, (if you do have cardiac and critical care background) you believe this event was caused solely by the use of anabolic steroids? Which was the ORIGINAL discussion?

There is a proven increased risk of heart failure in those who use steroids at a rate of 2-400%. (dependant on the research). Kimbo Slice was proven to have abused steroids less than 4 months before his death. I, with no other information, will not state categorically that this was the sole cause of his death.

I will, based on the research and experience, tell you it is a likely cause taking into account his age and, currently, no other indication of underlying conditions. I am also inclined to agree with NorCal that an underlying condition would probably have been picked up on at a medical pre-fight.

 

[Bernkastel]

You can always tell someone knows there argument was wrong when they resort to this. Well done.



Actually, you were generalising, I simply showed how your generalising was factually incorrect.



There is a proven increased risk of heart failure in those who use steroids at a rate of 2-400%. (dependant on the research). Kimbo Slice was proven to have abused steroids less than 4 months before his death. I, with no other information, will not state categorically that this was the sole cause of his death.

I will, based on the research and experience, tell you it is a likely cause taking into account his age and, currently, no other indication of underlying conditions. I am also inclined to agree with NorCal that an underlying condition would probably have been picked up on at a medical pre-fight.

This post pretty much has ended the discussion.

 

[Lee]

I'm at home. Can I contribute to this thread?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

My mate just text me after performing his autopsy, he says steroids contributed to his death. You heard it here first.

 

[Lee]

To be fair I always assumed a Kimbo Slice was something Greggs would sell.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Sounds delicious to boot.

 

[Makaveli31]

I am also inclined to agree with NorCal that an underlying condition would probably have been picked up on at a medical pre-fight.
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So tell me. there has never been a case of an athlete dying on the court of field of play that a previous physical or medical exam did not pick up? What about Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers? I'm sure these guys were given EXTENSIVE physicals but their underlying heart condition wasn't picked up.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Why do you care so much?

Please answer that question.

 

[klunderbunker]

So tell me. there has never been a case of an athlete dying on the court of field of play that a previous physical or medical exam did not pick up? What about Reggie Lewis or Hank Gathers? I'm sure these guys were given EXTENSIVE physicals but their underlying heart condition wasn't picked up.

Gathers was treated for heart issues four months before he died.

http://www.webcitation.org/5x1A60DnS

Lewis had shown signs of heart issues during the same season in which he died, including collapsing before a playoff game a few months before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxO8koWxZMQ

So yeah, actually both of them had known heart issues that were picked up.

 

[Blade]

Yeah, but underlying, undetected heart condition, you guys.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah, but underlying, undetected heart condition, you guys.

By which you mean overlying detected heart conditions you guy.

 

[Makaveli31]

Lewis had shown signs of heart issues during the same season in which he died, including collapsing before a playoff game a few months before.

KImbo showed symptoms too genius read the news articles please I'm not going to do it for you.

 

[klunderbunker]

KImbo showed symptoms too genius read the news articles please I'm not going to do it for you.

You must look pretty in a pink dress and heels.

 

[BaconBits]

Fresh meat in prison incoming....

 

[Logisticalbooker86]

I'd just like to thank everyone involved for making this thread amazing. It took my mind off my troubles for 15 minutes. This thread really just got better and better as it went on.

On topic, I'm stealing OYDK's bit. RIP Kimbo.