Big Nick Dudley
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Stupid Kimbo Slice Argument Thread
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Makaveli31
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It's disrespectful to say he died from his use of anabolic steroids when
1) You don't know for a fact if that was the reason or not. You are ASSUMING and we all know what assuming does.
2) You are basically saying it's "self-inflicted" when it could've been just a horrible tragedy. I've pointed out other pro athletes who have died under similar circumstances with no ties to anabolic steroid use and the answer coming back seems to be "well they didn't use steroids." The fact is they were also were athletes in the primes of their career who all died within the same age so let's not jump to conclusions here.
You've shown a complete lack of understanding of what steroids do in the long term to the human body and the heart. We know for a fact Kimbo has done steroids, and had been caught doing so in Bellator. In this instance, there is no doubt a correlation.
Why can't something self-inflicted not be a tragedy? Kimbo pushed his body to it's breaking point in the pursuit of his dream as an MMA fighter. NorCal said it best, live by the sword, die by the sword.
Lets just use Occam's razor here for a moment and find out what requires less assumptions, shall we.
There's one camp that can say that Slice did steroids, and since steroids has shown to cause heart damage to other's in the past. It can be concluded that steroids were more than likely a factor in Kimbo's sudden heart failure.
Or in your fucking camp, Kimbo Slice a professional athlete at the ripe age of 42 falls over dead from heart failure because he might be belong to a statistical anomaly of people who suddenly just fall over dead because reasons.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
And where did you acquire your knowledge from? Define "long term"? Kimbo Slice, for a FACT failed only one drug test in his entire MMA career (spanning 10 years) and that was FOUR months before he died. So your statement is CONTRADICTORY dumbass. On one hand you state LONG TERM use and on the other you cite Kimbo's one PROVEN failed dug test which was FOUR MONTHS ago. I seriously doubt FOUR MONTHS or even a YEAR equals long term. Now say what you want but that is the FACTS.
Self-inflicted is not the same as dying from something you CAN'T PREVENT.
Heart DAMAGE is not the same as heart FAILURE idiot. State the cases where steroids caused HEART FAILURE. If it's been "proven" show me the cases where steroids (and only steroids) were directly linked to heart failure.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
You're a fucking idiot and I hope you never breed
ÐаÑбоÑа
doesn't know REAL wrestling...
The bodybuilding industry has had plenty of heart attack deaths of young men caused by steroid use. I am sure there are a few in the wrestling industry too.
It's hardly a stretch to suggest that a 42 year old Greek god-looking fighter with proven steroid use died in a similar manner.
It's hardly a stretch to suggest that a 42 year old Greek god-looking fighter with proven steroid use died in a similar manner.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
This post speaks for itself when comes to your 1) intelligence 2) debating skills
I need not say more. Your class or lack thereof speaks for itself.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
Name some.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
And we're talking about a fighter not a bodybuilder. The levels he tested would indicate he wasn't taking massive dosages. I believe Ken Shamrock's levels were twice what Kimbo's was. The bodybuilding industry is riddled with illicit drug abuse also both prescription and non-prescription. Trust me, steroids is not the only thing these guys are taking.
One Punch Doug Crashin
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We're STILL arguing about weather or not Kimbo's Steroid use played a role in his death?
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Well he's got Milenko pegged pretty well. Maybe this guy isn't so bad after all.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
I love how simple debates evolve into personal attacks. It says more about them than me.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
I'm not trying to debate. You've shown you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
ÐаÑбоÑа
doesn't know REAL wrestling...
A quick internet search finds quite a few.
Anthony D'Arezzo, Aziz Shavershian, Oli Cooney, Dean Wharmby to name a few with heart attacks related to steroids.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
The idea of Kimbo Slice as a great fighter is a funny one. I know that he's tough, but being tough doesn't equate into being a great fighter. Kimbo Slice was an example of how social media, the internet and YouTube hype the ever loving shit out of someone to such an extreme that millions of people buy into whatever it is that's going on. He was a modern day Tank Abbott, meaning he was a tough brawler but that was about it. The guys he beat, like Tank Abbott, James Thompson and Houston Alexander had records of 9-14, 14-9 and 9-5-1. Ken Shamrock was 51 when they fought last year and had lost 11 of the 16 fights he'd had since he returned to MMA in 2000. This Dada 5000 guy was a 38 year old street fighter that Kimbo beat by KO but the fight was eventually overturned from a win to a no contest because Kimbo tested positive for elevated testosterone.
As far as what caused his death, I admit that heart complications brought upon by extensive use of steroids is one of the first things that sprung to mind. Not sure if it's to blame or at least to blame entirely since they announced they did discover a mass on his liver. If it was cancerous, then it could be contributed to extensive steroid use as anabolic steroids have been registerd as a Group 2A carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.
As far as what caused his death, I admit that heart complications brought upon by extensive use of steroids is one of the first things that sprung to mind. Not sure if it's to blame or at least to blame entirely since they announced they did discover a mass on his liver. If it was cancerous, then it could be contributed to extensive steroid use as anabolic steroids have been registerd as a Group 2A carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
This is serious? In relation to steroids causing heart attacks? We already had an actual medical professional confirm what the entire rest of the planet besides apparently you are quite aware of
George Steele's Barber
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I find it very inappropriate to call the man stupid in the title. He just died. Have some compassion.
Jeff Deliverer of Mail
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R.I.P Kimbo Slice.
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Makaveli31
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Kimbo Slice was not a bodybuilder. All the aforementioned died of "massive" steroid use. Slice's T/E ratio was 6:4:1 the max is 4:1 by contrast Ken Shamrock tested at levels of 12:4:1 hardly "bodybuilding levels". I have already made the point that this was Slice's first confirmed drug test failure in his MMA career the aforementioned 'bodybuilders" were using steroids well over 20 years/
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
I have never debated this fact with you? When have I ever said "steroids don't cause heart attacks?" I am referring specifically to the Kimbo Slice case. Yes steroid ABUSE at dangerously high levels over a long period of time causes heart damage which could lead to heart complication. I've never debated that. Kimbo Slice
1) Never failed a drug test in his MMA career (spanning 10 years) until four months before he died. Even if he had the drugs in his system up to a year before he died this would not qualify as long-term use. The aforementioned bodybuilders who died of heart attacks were using well over 20 years.
2) His T/E ratio was 6:4:1 the legal limit well under TRT standards is 4:1 Ken Shamrock by contrast was 12:4:1. Slice's levels were half if what Shamrock's were. Hardly the "massive dosages" needed to incur massive heart failure.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Ok.
OYDK.
Do your thing.
OYDK.
Do your thing.
