straight edge query

[Viola Moonlight]

Seriously, who cares if somebody is straight-edge. If they try to force their beliefs on ya... its up to you to listen or walk away. This subject is just like religion, its either you believe in it or not. Simple

 

[Tenta]

I think pot is just about the safest thing that could be done in this world.

Why no, that'd actually be a virgin

 

[TSG]

I'm not going to say that pot isn't addicting, and from studying I have done I can say that anyone who says it isn't are full of themselves, but it actually doesn't have that many negative effects on people, and I feel it is safer than anything else that people do that are considered drugs, including alcohol and ciggarettes.

 

[TSG]

Tenta, I'm going to have to say this once again: You Rock.

 

[klunderbunker]

I have absolutely zero issue with anyone doing anything. If someone wants to drink, fine. Smoke, fine. Get high, fine. I don't do it, they do. Yeah they cause you to feel better, think more clearly, etc. I won't argue that at all. To me, the bad outweigh the good, which certainly won't be what everyone else thinks.

That work X?

 

[X]

Yep. Just don't go around acting condescending questions like "Why would anyone want to do that? I've yet to hear a valid reason", kinda makes you look bad.

Let's end this tired debate. You enjoy your Pepsi, I'll enjoy my Jack, and we'll all be one happy singing family of love.

 

[klunderbunker]

Regarding the valid reason thing.

I haven't heard one that would make me want to do any of those things. Better?

 

[SavageTaker]

Ugh...I hate pepsi.

 

[klunderbunker]

So do I.

 

[Murfish]

I have absolutely zero issue with anyone doing anything. If someone wants to drink, fine. Smoke, fine. Get high, fine. I don't do it, they do. Yeah they cause you to feel better, think more clearly, etc. I won't argue that at all. To me, the bad outweigh the good, which certainly won't be what everyone else thinks.

That work X?

That used to be almost my exact motto. I don't like losing my senses or risking my grip on my surroundings.

Then, after a lot of convincing, I tried it. It's worked out well for me so far. I'm not saying you should do it or have to do it. I'm just saying that maybe giving it a chance...once...wouldn't hurt and if you don't like it you'd have even more perspective to use when formulating your ideas and lifestyle. I even like the idea of living cleanly, but I don't think it hurts to try something once.

/meander/ramble

 

[klunderbunker]

The reason i haven't tried drinking is the alcoholism that runs in my family. I figure I don't start, I can't get addicted.

 

[Murfish]

whoops...

/end discussion

edit: KB, that's more than understandable. I forgot that you've mentioned that in the past.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

X, I honestly cant understand how that question can be seen as condescending. I really cant. No idea. its just the straight forward truth. Whenever anyone asks me whi i DONT drink, or do that shit, I say " I dont see any good, practical, valid reason why i WOULD"...im not being condescending, im being completely serious. the whole thing is just very lost on me, as someone who has walked on BOTH sides of the fence

 

[Kanye South]

X, I honestly cant understand how that question can be seen as condescending. I really cant. No idea. its just the straight forward truth. Whenever anyone asks me whi i DONT drink, or do that shit, I say " I dont see any good, practical, valid reason why i WOULD"...im not being condescending, im being completely serious. the whole thing is just very lost on me, as someone who has walked on BOTH sides of the fence

I didn't know you're straight edge.

 

[X]

Of course it's a condescending question. You've already decided which side of the fence you're on (straight edge), so to ask that question is simply condescending, it implies that you're more intelligent than someone else because you don't see any value in something while other people do.

Nothing positive comes from drugs?

All of your music collection. Throw it out, right now. Cause most of those guys were reeeeaaaaaaal fuckin' high on drugs.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I think people dont need drug help to make music, if your genius, then your genius, I just dont feel a question can be inherently condescending. YOU are the one who gave it the conotation that im trying to say im smarter, or better, I, personally never said that. it doesnt mean im more intelligent, or anything, YOU came to that conclusion. A question isnt condescending, people are. A lot of people probably cant understand why i do a lot of the shit i do, or enjoy it, but I dont feel they are condescending, just different. I dont feel im moreintelligent, or better, I just find nothing positive in it. Weed? eh, maybe, im not interested. Everything else though, I just...dont get it.

No place did I say better, smarter, anything with the letters "er" on the end of it. I just, personally, dont get it. The only negative or condescending conotation in it is given by you, not me.

 

[X]

The question itself is condescending, not you or the connotation you give it Norcal. You actually proved my point in your post. You personally don't understand why anyone would do certain drugs. Okay, than why ask the question though? Not that you did, but KB did. Asking that question is basically just trying to start an argument over some petty bullshit that really shouldn't be an issue.

And you're severely underrating the role drugs play both spiritually and artistically. Edgar Allen Poe would NEVER have written the things he did without all of the drugs. Same thing for a guy like Morrison, or the later work of The Beatles. Drugs have a clear and noticable effect on artists.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

No, look at what i said. I said that is my response to others when they ask ME why I DONT, and its the absolute 100% truth. Am I not allowed to tell the truth, and give my reasons when people ask me now, because THEY want to take it as condescending, when I am nt saying anything other than? really?

Whan I say that, its truly the only thing I mean. Im not sure I even WANT to go down the "well....it IS sorta dumb..." road, but....it kinda is. How many things in the world to people wake up the next day feeling horrible from and say "I am NEVER fucking doing THAT again..." and then go out and do it repeatedly?


I simply had one of those mornings, and meant it. Eh I could give a shit how other people live. I dont let alchohol or drugs be an excuse. If your an asshole, your an asshole, regaurdless of what has been ingested in your system. Actions, not drink and smoke, is what does it for me. If that makes you feel any better.

 

[Ty Burna]

Let me just say this, I've always had the opinion that you do you, I do me. I've been on one side of the fence where I was always doing drugs, and now I just smoke cigarettes and drink a little bit. Now I'm not "pure" like some people are but the way I look at it, if you choose to be clean of any vices, good for you, I'm glad you can take that route. On the other hand, I got my vices yes, but they don't control my life where that's all I give a fuck about. This isn't directed at anyone on the forums just so ya know, but there are people that can't keep a job, have two kids, living with mom and dad, and are older than me who are at the bar every night getting drunk. This is a specific example of a chic I know, and she's really pathetic, she had a good guy in my homie Billy, but all she wanted to do is get drunk. Finally Billy told her it was either him or the alcohol and she told him straight up she chooses the alcohol.

She has 2 kids with him, and has bounced around jobs so many times I lost count. She basically gets his child support money that he's working two jobs to send money for his daughters, and she takes it to go by beer or sit at the bar all the time. That is one extreme example, the other example are these straight edge people running around: Oh what is this drug like, or why are you doing that, that's bad for you, etc etc etc. I can't stand those motherfuckers either. I try to be humble and not let my values intrude on others, nor do I try to press my views on people, again, you do you, I do me and let's keep it like that, so when people try to force their morals on me, it really bothers me.

So to end this, let those that can live a drug free life live their lives, and for us that have vices, let us have our vices, if we choose to have them or if we want to quit them at another time, so be it. There's no point in arguing about either way of life, plenty live one way or the other and do just fine. It's those extremes that are the problem.