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[Slyfox696]

I read the Silver piece last night and one of his links, interesting stuff. If you inferred that I thought the owners number was completely accurate then you were mistaken. You don't need to sell me on Silver, I have known who he is for a long time through his sabermetrics work. Here is a nice article he wrote on the AL MVP situation, http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/the-statistical-case-against-cabrera-for-m-v-p/ , spoiler: he is for Trout. Nice to see Sly stay consistently inconsistent on what sources prove what.

I have to agree with EVERYTHING a person says because I agree with some of the things he says? That's beyond stupid, even for you. Good to see you haven't lost your ability to become irrational after a few posts.

As far as the actual piece I am confused why you think it goes against my original statements.

Not surprising, you seem to confuse easily.

An important distinction to make is that a lot of what the piece talks about is expenses that the players arguably should not bear responsibility for. However, this is not the same thing as saying all business aspects are doing good.

Except that's not why I quoted that source. The reason I quoted the source was merely for why the discrepancy between what the NBA earned and why teams showed losses exists. I did not quote that source for any other evidence.

Yes, he does suggest even these could still be conservative but all things considered this is at worst a middle ground for judging Stern.

And again, this was not the only argument I made for Stern being a great commissioner. Are you really this dense that I have to repeat it this many times?

But if you don't see how making the league money, especially in these economic conditions over the past few years, is a point in Stern's favor, then you clearly are not going to be reasonable about anything in this discussion.

In 05-06 ticket revenue dropped and then briefly went back up the next year before falling every year after that until 2010 where it was actually 6% less than it was 5 years before.

Geez...are you telling me at the height of the worst economic recession in 80 years, ticket revenues were down? Wow, what a startling discovery you made! Why do you think that is?

But remember revenue is merely part of the story.

It is. Other parts of the story include "expanding basketball's global influence, and positioning itself as the sport of the next generation".

 

[shattered dreams]

"Sport of the next generation"

Oh yeah I looked up MLB inflation adjusted revenue. From 1995-2010 it was up 254 percent. NBA during that time, up 88 percent.

We can bookend this discussion now that you are in ignore and repeat mode though.

 

[Slyfox696]

"Sport of the next generation"

It is.

Oh yeah I looked up MLB inflation adjusted revenue. From 1995-2010 it was up 254 percent.

Great? Not sure what your point is. Are you saying MLB is significantly more popular now than it was in 1984? Out of curiosity, does your number take into account any revenue before 1995? Because if not, 1995 sure is a convenient year for you to use as your base, what with the strike the previous year and all.

NBA during that time, up 88 percent.

Since Stern became commissioner in 1984, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. I'm sure you just found a source and the source only went back to 1995, but since 1995 was during the height of the Jordan years, the fact the NBA has grown so much since then, this can only be further proof that Stern has done a good job.

We can bookend this discussion now that you are in ignore and repeat mode though.

I'll take this to be your concession speech.

 

[shattered dreams]

I don't understand your logic behind saying 95 is convenient for MLB. Not sure I care either. Then again I am not sure why you keep trying to prove something to me that I explicitly stated I wasn't talking about multiple times already.

FYI, Forbes inflation adjusted operating income for NBA in 94-95, 572 mil.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

You can hate David Stern all you want, and at times I do, but he has done a fine job as commissioner. Do I like the bias shown towards larger market teams? Of course not. The NFL makes markets out of nothing by showcasing winners. The NBA ignores winners if they aren't in the right market.

He also tells thugs (the white ones as well, so no, that's not a racist comment) to dress like human beings, which I like.

Hey so long as Chris Anderson is still in the league you can call anyone a thug and it not be racist.

 

[Slyfox696]

I don't understand your logic behind saying 95 is convenient for MLB. Not sure I care either.

Because business went down because of the strike, and rebounded strongly in '98 with Sosa and McGwire's chase of 62. If MLB saw a drastic downturn in business right after the strike, then that would skew your 254% number quite a bit.

As I said, can you provide a source from 1984 onward?

Then again I am not sure why you keep trying to prove something to me that I explicitly stated I wasn't talking about multiple times already.

I'm not trying to prove anything to you, I was simply correcting you. It's really simple.

1) David Stern became commissioner in 1984.
2) The NBA has seen incredible growth under Stern.
3) You claimed the popularity today is less than it was 5 years ago.
4) I proved you to be completely wrong, with regards to ratings, revenues and worldwide popularity.
5) There is no five. You made a comment which was later proven inaccurate. You continuing this discussion has been the result of you becoming confused as to what you were talking about in the first place and not knowing the meaning of the word "since".

FYI, Forbes inflation adjusted operating income for NBA in 94-95, 572 mil.

And how does that compare to before Stern became commissioner? You do remember we're not comparing popularity, but rather growth in popularity, right?

Hey so long as Chris Anderson is still in the league you can call anyone a thug and it not be racist.

Last I heard, he was waived and hadn't been signed after his child porn investigation.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

Last I heard, he was waived and hadn't been signed after his child porn investigation.

I checked that out just now. Denver did waive him over the summer, but he wasn't charged in that investigation.

 

[shattered dreams]

Looks like MLB had higher revenue in 96 than it did in 93. From 96-2010 they were up 182% inflation adjusted. Your point isn't irrelevant but it doesn't really change the overarching point. I must admit that at this point the only reason I am still posting in this thread is I am unsure when Stern started as Commisioner. Around 2003 right?

 

[Slyfox696]

I must admit that at this point the only reason I am still posting in this thread is I am unsure when Stern started as Commisioner. Around 2003 right?

Is this serious, or joking around?

Either way, David Stern became commissioner of the NBA in 1984.

 

[shattered dreams]

84 or 94? 20 years, right?

 

[Slyfox696]

84 or 94? 20 years, right?

1984. The same year I was born. Almost 30 years ago. The same year Michael Jordan was drafted, like I mentioned earlier in the thread to Sweep The Leg.

Your misunderstanding of when Stern became commissioner would explain many of your posts in this thread. I'm not saying that in a mocking way either.

 

[shattered dreams]

Your misunderstanding of when Stern became commissioner would explain many of your posts in this thread. I'm not saying that in a mocking way either.

Almost makes me wish I hadn't been mocking you by seeing how many more times you would say it.

Let me and Sly's antics be a cautionary tale. Don't grow up to be like us, in many ways it is a disease.

 

[Slyfox696]

Almost makes me wish I hadn't been mocking you by seeing how many more times you would say it.

The fact I kept repeating it should say plenty about my belief in your intelligence level.

Let me and Sly's antics be a cautionary tale. Don't grow up to be like us, in many ways it is a disease.

I think it's safe to say there's no faster of a way to get everyone to leave a thread than for the two of us to start debating.