*Spoiler*Raw Results

[JohnJohnson]

Opening segment, Triple H comes out and tells people about how he did what's good for business and introduces Randy Orton. Orton comes out and reminds us that he is the champion and that he beat up Bryan who has a big ego. Bryan comes out, crowd chants "Yes!". Bryan explains he is underdog. Leads another "Yes" chant and commercial.

Some lackluster midcard match

Segment with horrible acting by the Big Show

Recaps and social media promotion

Tag Match

Face gets punished for "speaking out"

....stuff....

Roster stands on stage.

Eventually main event ad show ending with a beat up Daniel Bryan and the charismatic Randy Orton slowly posing for his close-up.


Ok so obviously this week is going to a little differently because of Edge and Goldust. But hasn't anyone else gotten tired of the same formula each week since Summer Slam? I was really excited to see what would happen after Summer Slam but have been disappointed thus far. This seems to be the problem with WWE lately. Each episode is the same as the week before but with some slight changes(often being matches from the previous SmackDown). Then they will throw in a minor plot developer. Essentially they have it to where Raw isn't a must see show anymore. Fans nowadays are more willing to miss Raw and really fast forward through much of it to see their fav superstar and the minor plot developer. Raw used to be must see each week. The stroylines were constantly advancing and evolving. Even the midcard storylines. They would even continue them on Smackdown. Something significant happened on each episode and usually each episode was about something. There would be some backstage story that would develop over the course of the episode between matches and promos. Today these are mostly replaced with recaps and social media/Did You Know. We ofcourse get the segment each show with Maddox/current GM making a match(that we knew would happen anyways). If you missed an episode or two in the past, you'd actually have missed quite a significant amount of events. Today you can watch every other week and still follow.

Does anyone else feel this way? Do you think Raw is something that is no longer a must-see show for fans? Do you feel likemost of the show is predictable and easily missable? Or do you feel that things are the same as before?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Remember the good old days where every show didn't always end with Stone Cold stunning 87 people in the ring?

Raw has been the same old shit since it's inception. The story from the past three weeks has evolved as much as any story in WWE history, you're just not enjoying it.

 

[JohnJohnson]

It's not evolving as much as they used to evolve. Not nearly as fast. Not as many significant events. I didn't say I'm not enjoying it, just that I'm disappointed at the pace they are taking this. Every night didn't end with Austin either in the old days. I never understand why criticisms on the way things are running are always responded to with attitude era hyperbole. Can you honestly tell me that the opening promos from the last 3 Raws weren't the same thing? I mean they could have all been different takes from the same scene. Then the whole thing where every week they have the superstars all stand on the stage. It's repetitive. Yea they are advancing the story, they are setting up for a Daniel Bryan underdog-comeback moment, they are setting up for the big show joining with the corporation, they are setting up for the faces to revolt. I get all that. But the pace is just so slow.

For instance, this story is very similar to the time when the Mcmahons screwed the underdog, corporate makeover, people's favorite Mankind to make the babyface turning heel corporate champion The Rock their corporate champion. The difference is the amount of back and forth Rock and Foley had, the hell they would give each other whether it be interfering with each other's matches, the colorful promos or the back stage antics like Foley stealing from Rock. This was with a one main show per week schedule and still more events occured in the storyline. The Corporation was seen a lot more in backstage segments and they had storylines for the lower members other than "boss said beat up bad guys".

It's the same with the parallel between The Wyatts and Ministry that people have pointed out. Taker would have his promos and his 2 diciples beating people up in the ring just like Bray. But when people got kidnapped, they didn't take this long to return and they would keep the story going without skipping a beat. Kane being kidnapped by The Wyatts is a big deal, but how much TV time does Wyatt get? I was looking forward to his segment all night when he cut his "Sister Abigail" promo, but I missed it while running to the kitchen for a sandwich lol.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Opening segment, Triple H comes out and tells people about how he did what's good for business and introduces Randy Orton. Orton comes out and reminds us that he is the champion and that he beat up Bryan who has a big ego. Bryan comes out, crowd chants "Yes!". Bryan explains he is underdog. Leads another "Yes" chant and commercial.

Some lackluster midcard match

Segment with horrible acting by the Big Show

Gimp.

 

[ABMorales787]

Wow. One month and people are already starting to piss and moan about the status quo. It's gotta be a record.

 

[JohnJohnson]

It's not specifically about this one angle. It's about the pace WWE has been going for years now. Stop looking for only what you want to read.

 

[ABMorales787]

It's not specifically about this one angle. It's about the pace WWE has been going for years now. Stop looking for only what you want to read.

I read it. And it still reeks of impatience insufferance.

 

[The Butcher]

Breaking news: Raw is different from how it was during the Attitude Era.

 

[Mr. Book This Section]

Daniel Bryan is the Number 1 Contender to the WWE Title and in the main event.
CM Punk has a great story going on right now.
John Cena is on the shelf
Randy Orton has turned Heel
Cody Rhodes is relevent
Amazing matches are being put on each week

And... you still bitch and cry about it?

 

[Spidey Revivey]

It's not evolving as much as they used to evolve. Not nearly as fast. Not as many significant events.

 

[Slash-LN]

God damn it people are so impatient. Maybe it's just because of the wrestling I grew up watching where stories took months to develop that I don't care if I have to wait to see a pay off.
Honestly if it bugs you that much do what I've done lately and take a break from watching. I haven't seen a full show since Wrestlemania because I wasn't interested enough to sit through a three hour Raw. I just come here and read about what's happening and stay caught up that way.

 

[Uncle]

I lol'd so hard on this... It really doesn't bother me that is similar if not exactly the same. It will get better. This is just the build up stages of a long story line..

 

[Wolf Pac]

When Big Show finally does explode at NoC, people will still complain the next day because "he ruined the main event" or whatever.

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

....stuff....

That's my favorite part

 

[The Dewbliners]

Breaking news: Raw is different from how it was during the Attitude Era.

Read: Raw is BETTER than it was during the AE. Then again, I hated the AE while it was still relevant and happening. Hate it even more now.

Of course, I came up watching WCW. Y'know, where stories would typically simmer for a few months before the pay off. Good times. Kinda glad WWE seems to be taking that route lately.

 

[ABMorales787]

Read: Raw is BETTER than it was during the AE. Then again, I hated the AE while it was still relevant and happening. Hate it even more now.

Of course, I came up watching WCW. Y'know, where stories would typically simmer for a few months before the pay off. Good times. Kinda glad WWE seems to be taking that route lately.

It's not really months but they are taking complete and utter advantage of Smackdown to push their main feud which I feel is a great move. It's made the last 3 weeks so fleshed out for NOC it's unreal.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Raw has been MUCH better since Summerslam IMO. It's more story heavy lately which is what I think it should be. Shows should be storyline heavy with some good wrestling thrown in and PPV's should be match heavy that starts/advances/concludes storylines.

 

[Irig]

Heels are dominating and faces are just watching, I'm afraid if WWE is targeting kids as they say then they might lose some of them sooner if it continues this way as they wont have that much attention span to go through to see their heroes triumph in the end.

Triple H or Orton hasn't yelled at fans in audience and they seem to get good reaction too. It seems as though they don't want to say bad things about them. I think WWE are not too sure of Bryan's Popularity with the audience and are trying to garner him more fans but fans might like Corporation more if they do continue like this as baby faces are too boring and not doing enough to gain anything even Bryan has been saying the same things each and every week. They say its just slow pace but IMO there hasn't been a marked progress in the storyline after summerslam.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Read: Raw is BETTER than it was during the AE.

Agreed. Although like you I wasn't too big on the Attitude Era. While it had its moments a ton of it was shit. I'll take what's going on right now over it, even over a majority of the Ruthless era.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I dont think anyone is complaining about waiting for a story to develop here, only the simularity of every episode in the course of that development. You can develop a long term story without doing the exact same thing every week.

 

[Slash-LN]

I dont think anyone is complaining about waiting for a story to develop here, only the simularity of every episode in the course of that development. You can develop a long term story without doing the exact same thing every week.

"It's not evolving as much as they used to evolve. Not nearly as fast. Not as many significant events. I didn't say I'm not enjoying it, just that I'm disappointed at the pace they are taking this."

This is from the second post the thread starter made.
This to me seems like he is complaining about waiting for a story to develop.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Both of those are factors in making the show the exact same every week.

He likely just isn't as adept at expressing his point when others are attacking it than some.

 

[Slash-LN]

If he wants them to speed things up then he doesn't want to wait.

However you could be right. Maybe that's not how he meant to say it.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Both of those are factors in making the show the exact same every week.

He likely just isn't as adept at expressing his point when others are attacking it than some.

Lol this^^^. My bad for not being clear. It seems like each episode is almost a retake. I actually thought I was watching a rerun at one point. It's a stand still pace you could say.

Whether or not you consider AE good or bad isn't relevant. This pertains to a much broader spectrum of time. Even at a time where I thought WWE was pretty awful, it was at least something new and not a rehash of the previous week.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Opening segment, Triple H comes out and tells people about how he did what's good for business and introduces Randy Orton. Orton comes out and reminds us that he is the champion and that he beat up Bryan who has a big ego. Bryan comes out, crowd chants "Yes!". Bryan explains he is underdog. Leads another "Yes" chant and commercial.

Well, so much for that attempt to belittle the product.