So, Vinnie Mac Doesn't Like Cesaro

[toddmb]

Guys... "Maybe it's because he's Swiss, I DON'T KNOW!!!"

Awesome, Vince... Awesome.

 

[HurriKane]

Like everyone said taking away his Giant Swing was stupid, I feel like the fans were really getting behind him around Wrestlemania season. I don't buy Vince saying his lack of promo skills is the reason why he doesn't get push, especially when you have had Swagger as a World Champion, and one of the main events at WM 29. I don't see why they can't do the same for Cesaro. Oh well, I still hope Vince finds what he is looking for in Cesaro, so I can eventually see Cesaro vs Lesnar.

 

[toddmb]

Vince spoke of individuals willing to go overboard reaching for that brass. Those willing to do whatever it takes to elevate themselves. Perhaps his public statements were meant as a wake up call toward Cesaro to work on becoming a more well rounded entertainer. I'm sure this isn't the first time Cesaro has heard these comments from management but for it to be a topic discussed between Austin and McMahon shows someone wants him to be successful. There are a lot of talents that would kill for the air time he receives on a weekly basis. He needs to watch his spot if climbing the ranks is truly important to him. Then again he might not give a shit.

But what do you do? He does all of the international media, motion captures for video games as well as promotion for the video games... I thought he came off very well at that roster reveal event around summerslam and obviously there is a reason 2K wanted him involved in so much of that. In terms of the opportunities he's been given on tv recently, I don't really see where he's supposed to be able to prove himself, aside from in the ring which he does every night.

I really wish Austin had pushed the issue a little further, he didn't exactly make it clear to Vince that he WAS connecting with the crowd until they just seemingly gave up on the guy. I dunno... He's one of my favourites anyhow. I hope that after hearing what Vince had to say about him, the fans that really want to see Cesaro succeed start to get behind him like they do for other deserving guys like Dolph and D-Bry.

 

[GeneralKarim]

I will preface this by sayingi I'm a huge Cesaro fan and I think he deserves better.

Vince's comments towards him I think were rather fair. He does seem a bit bland. Even in the promo posted in this thread, it felt forced and his face was like he was trying to hard to seem like he had a character, if that makes any sense. It didnt come of natural at all. His mic work is mediocre I would say.

I agree that his push ended out of nowhere and he shouldn't have been paired with Heyman out of the blue when he was doing just fine on his own. Because he said he needs to be better on the mic and as a character but they had Paul talk for him so how can he improve really. Also his music just turns people off I think lol, it's one of the most garbage tunes one can have.

Now that he is a heel ofc he shouldnt do the swing, I think it makes sense to only do it on PPVs. Also, we really need to think about the roster. Where would he fit in really? Just another face for Rusev to beate? Roman Reigns was gonna get pushed. Ambrose was gonna get pushed. Now, he is a heel but if he WERE a face, he should've been in Ryback's place really. Tho to me, looking at Ryback he does have an intensity and a swagger/personality about him and Cesaro doesnt. He's just a guy in tights who is very good at wrestling, something Vince doesnt really appreciate, as we could all see his disdain for calling anything people do in WWE as "wrestling".

They cant just push everyone because the roster is so thin, someone has to be that guy who is just good but not good enough for the guys who are good enough to beat. That's a problem because of their thin roster but it is what it is and they have to deal with it.

Now, im not giving Vince a total free pass on this because as I've said, they shouldnt have aligned him with Heyman in the first place when he was very over as a face. And his booking as a heel hasnt really been stellar. I mean he isnt even heel. He KINDA acts like one but he seems to be very neutral in a way. I mean since being heel. the most heelish thing he has done is tease Cena about joining his team, and later on being left off the card, lol.

Also, I think atm, Cesaro is the least of their problems. They are doing a horrible job booking Wyatt vs Ambrose. Now Erick Rowan vs Big Show...bleah. There's not much too look forward to in terms of a storyline.

 

[rge2010]

What utter nonsense. Not once did McMahon say he didnt like Cesaro. He complimented him on his Wrestling skills but said he just lacks 'something' and he cannot put his finger on it. He finished up by saying he hadn't given up on it and they hope he finds it.

He knows Cesaro is a talent, but he is right, he doesnt connect with the audience like others.

 

[Dragonslayer]

I also think the problem was with Cesaro getting derailed by not being turned face, when the crowd clearly demanded it.

However, there's always a way to do that. Personally, I could imagine a great tag team by having Cesaro come to the aid of a returning Daniel Bryan at some point in 2015, forming a new team where the strengths of both guys (very good in ring skills, Bryan as the quick high flyer and submission specialist, Cesaro with his freak strength) could work well together. That would give more legitimacy to the tag divison, and that's also a division where extensive promo work / storylines are really not that common. So the focus would be on their in-ring work anyway, and both guys would continue to get over as faces.

Eventually, Bryan would probably be phased into the world title picture again (after the anticipated Reigns-Lesnar scenario), and Cesaro could continue to be an upper midcard star who is pretty decently over, perhaps even winning Money In The Bank, which then could create tension with Bryan who might be in contention for a shot at the world title already, ultimately leading to a breakup again.

Of course the heel turn would be obligatory, but it would be more impactful if Cesaro was over big time as a face before that.

 

[Anaxamander]

Until they turn it around Cesaro will always be among the top of the list for all time missed opportunities by WWE. At the time he started getting over following the Real Americans split, Bryan was injured, Reigns hadn't hit the top yet, and Cena was literally the only main event baby face in the company. They had a HUGE opportunity with Cesaro who was organically connecting with the crowd and they blew it when they forced him to be heel and go with Heyman, it was like putting the square peg in the round hole.

Cesaro's heel turn was such shit that the crowd barely even realized it was a heel turn. It wasn't a bang, it wasn't a whimper... it was a fart. And then when they teased him joining Team Cena, it was like an additional, thrown in for free fuck-you to the fan base.

Seriously, what the fuck? Do they not realize how rare it is for a babyface to actually manufacture pops simply by the force of his personality? It reminds me of Ryback a couple of years ago. He was getting what amounts to huge pops in today's WWE, and they turned him heel and fed him to Cena. Meanwhile, they try to turn guys like Del Rio and Miz face to -zero- crowd reaction.

 

[LuckyLouie]

I think that all of us who want Cesaro to make it big in the WWE need to do.......Buy more T-SHIRTS!!!

Im pretty sure Austin is really behind him, and Vince is keeping Cesaro on TV. He looks strong most of the time. And when he jobs, he usually has a good match first. So he doesnt come of looking weak. He is missing a spark right now, but thats a matter of getting into a right feud and getting the fans behind him.

 

[Navi]

I believe in the "it factor" but I also believe that you have to give guys the opportunity to make that connection. For example, I've been a fan of Rollins since his ROH days, but some of his promos in FCW were terrible, and now they are a million times better, you know why? Because they've given him the opportunity to hone his craft in front of an audience. Let Cesaro cut a promo at every house show then. Or here's another idea, that already worked once, give him a manager and let it work this time.

I also believe in the "It" factor, but I don't think it's something you learn, it's something that has to come from inside you. Either someone has it or they don't. Anyone can make a connection with the audience for a few minutes here and there, but a wrestler has to get them invested. The fans have to want to see said wrestler, cheer for them, chant their name, buy the t-shirts and let the WWE management know that they are behind them 100%. You know like they did for Daniel Bryan.

When it comes time for shelling out the hard earned money, fans have to want to pay to see a certain person, not someone who's just there as part of the show. And you see that in the audience reaction when wrestlers come out. It's either buzzing or it's dead. You want that audience on it's feet. Cesaro doesn't quite do that, he's what I would call a cold fish. Yes he's one hell of a wrestler, but there is no personality there to speak of.

You put him up against a Dean Ambrose and there is quite a difference. Ambrose is gold on the mic, not as good as Cesaro in the ring, but if you ask fans who they would rather see, I'll be 99 out of a 100 would say Ambrose. He has the "It" factor, and he plays it up well. If Cesaro can't find it then he will remain on the mid card and do his thing. It will be a shame but the WWE is in business to make money, and I guess they don't see Cesaro right now as the guy to do it for them.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

If we're at the point in the thread where we start ideas, how about this:

After Rusev's first loss, Lana turns on him and chooses Cesaro as her new foreign American killer? Saying that Cesaro is as strong as the Bulgarian brute but, unlike Rusev, Cesaro is actually intelligent. Maybe Rusev gets some sympathy for getting dumped, Rusev becomes an American citizen seeing the error of his ways (or whatever you want to do), meanwhile Cesaro becomes the leader of a Lana stable set out to show America why they aren't number 1 anymore.