So am I the one that can't spot talent?

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

I always thought I could spot talent. I always thought I saw big things coming in small packages. I knew Edge was going to be big. I saw that Cena was eventually going to get huge reactions, rapper gimmick or not. But I just can't see this.

Ted DiBiase Jr. Im just looking to be convinced. Im not being cynical about this. But I don't see anything as big as a world title in this guy's future. He doesn't do anything for me. He doesn't use visually impressive moves. He doesn't have a cool gimmick. He isn't eye catching in his look. He doesn't excite me when he speaks. But time and time again I read, "Ted DiBiase is going to be a future world champion".

I admire the fact that people have faith. And with one third generation star becoming world champion in Randy Orton, why couldn't DiBiase do it?

Well Randy Orton was interesting. He had a gimmick. A good stable. Decent feuds. Didn't bore me. Yeah that was probably the most important one.

Somebody tell me. Somebody convince me. I want to enlightened. So please, help me out guys.

 

[gd]

I completely agree with you. Throughout the last year in the WWE Dibiase has done nothing to make me care about him at all. A few tag title reigns that no one cared about and a bunch of 3 on 1 beatdowns with Orton and Rhodes. It may not be all his fault that he hasn't been put in interesting storylines or matches, but he still could've done something to impress me.

Hopefully his time in the Legacy won't last much longer and he'll be branching off on his own soon, maybe even as a babyface. However, I fear that due to the fact that he's so bland and generally uniteresting he's going to have a real hard time getting over and may not last too long in the WWE, much less win a World Title.

 

[Loveless]

I think he hasn't really had the chance to show anything off yet as he's still stuck in tag team hell. The WWE have also done their very best over the last 7 months to bury Rhodes and Dibiase. The guy has a good look, a great finisher, is adequate on the mic but needs experience. He has only been around for just over a year I think, there's plenty of time.

 

[TJ INSANE 1992]

I bet u thought kennedy was going to win a world title to then? Ha well Ted does have the look and wrestling ability. I guess you just don't see it. They have given him a little more mic time but you can tell they will turn him face and fued against orton. The reason he will win a world title is because he is 2nd generation and is big. COdy wont win a world title because he is 220? Ted has 15 pounds on him and thats what vince likes. I use to like cody more but now like ted.
How can i create a thread? I have posted like 15 posts! WHATS UP????

 

[Heel?]

First of all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_oC9BXYAuA

Not shooting on you or anything Mantaur, but you honestly saw a top heel when Orton first came in? You saw, future champion and poster child of the WWE?

...I didn't and from re-watching this debut I still don't. I see babyface who gets over with the ladies. But, two phrases come to mind, "don't just a book by it's cover" and "looks can be deceiving".

I mean, you "can't see a top star" because nobody can. We as fans see what the WWE wants us to see. If they don't show DiBiase (anyones name can be inserted here) as a great superstar or a guy with great moves then he can be the worst superstar there is. Ah, but if a superstar is given a chance (a good, recent example of this is Mark Henry) and shown to be a good guy and/or shown as a funny person then they become a good addition to the roster.

Another example would be Scotty Goldman, formerly Colt Cabana of course. He could have been a great comedy act who could wrestle perfectly. But, the fans just saw him as a battle royal contestant. Well, unless you watched his funny segments on WWE.com. Then again, that's not really a push if it's only shown on the website and never mentioned on TV such as the Dirt Sheet and the Cryme Time skits were at the time

Judging wrestlers in America is a fickle business because they are only as good as what they are given. ERmm...in Japan...now that's a different story.

 

[yesindeed]

was it not a year he's been with us on monday there?

i've never been impressed with him, but looking at him over the past 2-3 months he's bulked up a bit and is starting to look a bit stronger but i'm not sold on this guy aswell

looking at Cody, with the right feuds and with the right story he could be big i think but ted just seems a little dull

another person i can't understand is Miz? Why is everyone thinking this guy is "awesome", he needs to be carried as much as Cena but i think ppl just hate Cena so much they are blind to how bad Miz is

 

[People's Champ]

Couldn't agree with you more. He's either helping beat someone down or getting beat down. He hasn't shown anything yet to make it seem like he's a future world champ. However he may start to soon. The way he's been interacting with orton lately may be setting up a possible match with him, maybe even on raw next week. If that's so we can get a decent look at him and see what he's got.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

When I saw Ted DiBiase Sr. introduce his son, Ted DiBiase Jr., I said... ''Hmm, he seems pretty decent, I wonder how far he can go in the WWE?'' In his debut match, he wins the World Tag Team Championship. For everyone who looks at a wrestler and say that they are a future World Champ, I wonder what gives you that idea. Ted DiBiase is learning from Randy Orton, who almost followed his path, learning from one of the best.

Looking at someone's debut, you can't automatically say that they are a future World Champion. Look at Triple H's debut. With a gimmick like that, who would have thought that he would become a 13+ time World Champion? Although, I do remember that during the time that Vince was on commentary, he did mention a lot how Hunter Hearst Helmsley impressed him, but anyway... moving on. Look at John Cena. When he said that the one quality that he possesses that makes him think that he could beat Kurt Angle was ''Ruthless Aggression'' and then slapped Kurt, you knew that he would go on to do big things, you just couldn't pin-point how big. How about Carlito or Santino Marella? Winning the United States Championship and Intercontinental Championship in their debuts, respectively. If winning a title in your debut meant you'd win the World Title soon afterwards, Carlito and Santino would be a multi-time World Champion by now.

I look at Ted DiBiase at see that he does have talent. He has the look of a star, but as for future World Champ. I can't be so quick to say that. If he continues to improve. Starts to get some wins on his own. And gets involved in more interesting storylines, then maybe it's just a matter of time. But until then, we'll have to just wait and see.

 

[HypnotizedHero2010]

if wwe does give him a face turn and a possible feud with randy orton then i could see him being a champ some day but legacy is nothing compared to evolution. randy got his push because of HHH and Flair. with the way ted is booked right now he'll never be anything more than a jobber to who ever ortons opponent is

 

[only1soe]

I said to myself that Jeff would be world champion way before older brother Matt. ECW title doesnt count either. Not this ECW at least.

Ted and Cody havent been able to show us much yet, but of the two I think Ted has a better chance to go further.

The jobber fest this past tuesday on ECW was ridiculous. I could pick fans out of the crowd that could work a better match then some of those jobbers they had in there.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I always thought I could spot talent. I always thought I saw big things coming in small packages. I knew Edge was going to be big. I saw that Cena was eventually going to get huge reactions, rapper gimmick or not. But I just can't see this.

Ted DiBiase Jr. Im just looking to be convinced. Im not being cynical about this. But I don't see anything as big as a world title in this guy's future. He doesn't do anything for me. He doesn't use visually impressive moves. He doesn't have a cool gimmick. He isn't eye catching in his look. He doesn't excite me when he speaks. But time and time again I read, "Ted DiBiase is going to be a future world champion".

I admire the fact that people have faith. And with one third generation star becoming world champion in Randy Orton, why couldn't DiBiase do it?

Well Randy Orton was interesting. He had a gimmick. A good stable. Decent feuds. Didn't bore me. Yeah that was probably the most important one.

Somebody tell me. Somebody convince me. I want to enlightened. So please, help me out guys.

I haven't seen any indication of as such, either ... based on what I have seen thus far. Which is why I have not succombed to the IWC hype around him. Quite frankly, I think this started just because he was the son of one of the top three heels in wrestling history, and everyone simply gave him free press to the moon across the Internet. Even when it wasn't warranted. He barely speaks on the mic. He looks average in the ring. I don't see it.

I proposed months ago that the best way to get him over is to use the Million Dollar Man as a heel to berate his son, in the role of the "never-satisfied" father. And where as it is unclear on whether or not they are going to go this route, based on what I've read on the taped Raw next week, Ted Jr. might be breaking out of his shell, as he has a lot of interactions with his father. So, I will tune it and look forward to seeing what they do. Sounds pretty good based on what I've read so far.

I just worry that they are doing this all too late. If they wanted to turn him Face, which is a strong possibility with timing with the release of the Marine 2, they should have had him interacting with his father, in this role months and months ago. He should have been the "Inheritor to the throne" and have been playing the role of the Spoiled Brat son as a Heel. Dibiase Sr. could have made several appearances with Virgil to let the audience know that he is in the background watching his son.

THEN, somewhere down the line, Dibiase Sr becomes very displeased with the lack of progress with his son. This would include berating him like all the other people he's done in the past. Slapping him around. Etc. Like I said, he would be the "Father that was never happy with his son" gimmick .... very similar to Lex Luthor's relationship with Lionel Luthor.

This could have led to a huge babyface turn with him turning on his father, to time with the release of the film. It just looks to me like it could possibly all be rushed at the last minute, when they should have been working on this for months.

 

[WCCWfan]

I'd like to see DiBiase get out from under legacy and use the 'rich daddy gave me money' gimmick. He could get a great push and face turn if he started to act out againt Orton. Orton would then use Rhodes to teach DiBiase a lesson. In retaliation, Ted quits Legacy and uses some money to buy the services of someone like Mike Knox as his enforcer/lackey. They put Ted over on a PPV over Orton and that can leave his character to turn heel at any time. He has the potential. I think his success depends on his storyline and push. Rocky Maivia was mid card at best, It took them to change him to The Rock to get somewhere.

 

[Hacksaw Highway]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I hear everybody say how awesome DiBiase is, but I just haven't seen it myself. I dont dislike him, I just have no reason to like him. He's done nothing, shown nothing, he's just beena background character who gets beaten up by Triple H every few weeks. IMO Rhodes has shown more talent than DiBiase so far.

 

[WOLFPACK0524]

Nice thread...

I thought this too when I heard about everyone talking about Kofi Kingston. He was the reason I watched ECW when he was there. He obviously has talent and has a title. Hope he continues the success in the future. Will he be WHC or WWE champion? Maybe. Soon? No.

 

[MisterRob]

You people are incredible. Seriously. Ted Dibiase Jr. has been in the WWE one whole year and you’re expecting him to show you clear signs of him being ready for the main event, or a certain World Champion in the future. This isn’t back in the day of territories when young wrestlers got to hone their trade for years and years throughout different territories, develop a key character/gimmick long before they even moved up into the main event scenes of those territories. From there they’d hone their trade even more as top level talents even before they’d reach a place like the WWE; the top of the food chain. Everyone who came into the WWE back in the day, in the era of Hulk Hogan.. or the era of Ted Dibiase Jr’s father… had already had mastered their craft and had the experience and skills to be main event level talent. That isn’t the case now a days. Ted Dibiase Jr. is a rookie, he’s young and inexperienced, he needs time to develop not only his talents but his character. He needs time, like anyone in the business, to develop every aspect of his “game”… and its going to take more then one year! It’s going to take him having more time in the ring, gaining more time on television in front of the live audience, cutting promos… its going to take time for the writers to build him into a character, and they need to give him those opportunities in the FIRST place. You can’t judge Ted Dibiase Jr. on one year being in the WWE, because its not a valid judgment. You can’t predict after one year where the kids going to go or where he’s going to be ten years down the road. That’s ridiculous. Every year he has the potential to get better and better, and every year he has the chance to be given the opportunities to truly shine. There’s too many variables to say something like, “Oh, I see this guy going places”.. or pretending like you’re a seer and saying years from now, “I told you he was going to be big!” You’re full of fluff, then. The guy could have a fourteen year career ahead of him, at least, and he’s in the FIRST year of that. Give the guy some time, be a little patient, and see where he goes. What Ted Dibiase Jr. DOES have is potential… and if that potential is molded, if he’s given the opportunities, then he could certainly go a lot farther then where he is right now. You’re not impressed? Big deal. Maybe in a few years you will be, he’ll certainly have the time to prove it, either way.

 

[WWF Wrestling Fan]

Talent you wanna talk about not havin any talent iam still tryin to figuer out the whole John Cena thing he dont have talent what so ever he has 3 moves the STF The Atitiude Adjustment and the Five Knuckle Shuffle and people are dogging Dibaise about him not having any talent theres a lot more guys who don't have talent in The WWE besides Cena like Botchtista he has no talent cause every time he comes back from an injury he finds a way to to get injuryed and if you remember back in the late 80's people didnt give HBK a chance but look at him now hes a 20 year vet in the WWE but to me Ted Jr will have his turn we just need to give him some time to grow in to him self.

 

[RVDgurl]

Ted DiBiase Jr. Im just looking to be convinced. Im not being cynical about this. But I don't see anything as big as a world title in this guy's future. He doesn't do anything for me. He doesn't use visually impressive moves. He doesn't have a cool gimmick. He isn't eye catching in his look. He doesn't excite me when he speaks. But time and time again I read, "Ted DiBiase is going to be a future world champion".

This is interesting to me because I see the exact opposite in DiBiase. I look forward to seeing him, not necessarily Legacy, each week. I think the moves he uses in the ring are very reminscent of a mixture of Randy Orton and Ted Sr. I feel that he's very eye catching with his look- my eye gravitates towards him even though Orton is clearly supposed to be the focus. I think he has decent mic skills. Obviously, he needs work, but he really hasn't been given the opportunity the hone his skills yet.

At this point I would consider myself very hopeful for DiBiase's future. In my eyes, he has all the basic tools to be successful. Good booking and the opportunity to carry the ball on his own will be what matter's most. At this point, no one can really tell what the future holds for him. He's done a fantastic job in his current role as one of Orton's henchmen. If given the opportunity, I think he could really shine on his own.

 

[Saritafan]

Ted has the star look to be a main eventer but his in-ring skills are nothing special,he has no chacacter,no unique finisher,not even any impressive tattoos,right now,he is 1000000000000000 miles away from being a main eventer,all he has going are his looks,if you people want looks,you can use some of the guys at my school or even me,ted NEEDS a direction and no,being in legacy jobbing to main eventers and winning over
mid-card and jobbers is not a direction,Ted would need a gimmick,a unique look,and and impressive finisher,something he lacks all off.

Ted could be a main eventer but just judging on his looks and what orton did is not going to get him there

 

[Southwind]

Ted Dibiase jr. is just the latest wrestler the IWC has become infatuated with personally I see nothing in Dibiase he is boring in his interactions with Orton and Rhodes has a boring limited move set albeit his finisher does it for me and is down right awful on the mic i'm sorry there is no way to fix that he just can't talk and should never cut a promo period.

You just have to make your own judgments around WM Randy Orton was considered gods gift to wrestling fast forward what 2-3 months ? he's boring bland can never put on a good match blah blah blah. Point is never rely on the masses to alter or make your opinion.

I could see a strong upper mid card career for Dibiase with maybe and I mean a big maybe one world title reign similar to what JBL Benoit Mysterio and Guerrero got.

as for future of the business that is Jack Swagger and to an extent the Miz the Miz may be a top 5 mic worker right now and that alone can get him up there not to mention a vastly improving skillset. And as for Swagger he is above average on the mic and a good performer who will only improve.

so yeah Swagger and the Miz are future main eventers Ted Dibiase jr ? sorry no.

 

[Razor]

I always thought I could spot talent. I always thought I saw big things coming in small packages. I knew Edge was going to be big. I saw that Cena was eventually going to get huge reactions, rapper gimmick or not. But I just can't see this.

Well, honestly, they were worth half a shit when they debuted. And when they debuted, they actually did something! Shocking, I know.

Ted DiBiase Jr. Im just looking to be convinced. Im not being cynical about this. But I don't see anything as big as a world title in this guy's future. He doesn't do anything for me. He doesn't use visually impressive moves. He doesn't have a cool gimmick. He isn't eye catching in his look. He doesn't excite me when he speaks. But time and time again I read, "Ted DiBiase is going to be a future world champion".

It's the "Eh. They're in a stable with the top Heel. They must be getting over" theory. It blows. Unless you have a stable like Evolution, where Ric Flair and Triple H really carried it. Orton can't carry an entire stable AND get heat for them. Flair could. Orton? No way.

That thrown on top of the fact that Rhodes and Dibiase Jr. were relatively untested when they joined Orton? I mean, Rhodes had a feud with Hardcore Holly, and Dibiase had a few tag team matches with Rhodes. That's about it. Then BOOM. They get thrown in with Orton and don't do anything for 4 months. I don't blame you when you say you can't see anything. I'm surprised anyone can.

I admire the fact that people have faith. And with one third generation star becoming world champion in Randy Orton, why couldn't DiBiase do it?

Well Randy Orton was interesting. He had a gimmick. A good stable. Decent feuds. Didn't bore me. Yeah that was probably the most important one.

Somebody tell me. Somebody convince me. I want to enlightened. So please, help me out guys.

Sorry buddy. No can do. If you hold on for a few more weeks though, Dibiase Jr. and Rhodes might be able to break out in the tag scene and make us think they can do something when they're not being thrown around by Batista.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

Looking at someone's debut, you can't automatically say that they are a future World Champion. Look at Triple H's debut. With a gimmick like that, who would have thought that he would become a 13+ time World Champion?

Exactly. There is no way you can tell that someone is going to be huge if they aren't being pushed to the moon. It takes time. Which leads to the question why is Ted DiBiase Jr. being praised as the second coming of Jesus in terms of future wrestling?

Its ok that he takes his time to work his way up to the big leagues,everyone needs to work up their skills, but why are we already saying he's going to be world heavyweight champion? What indication of brilliance have we seen from him besides a last name?

Well, honestly, they were worth half a shit when they debuted. And when they debuted, they actually did something! Shocking, I know.

Edge was worth half a shit? He had like one match in WCW. Cena was only in OVW. Wouldn't say he was worth much. Ted DiBiase not only has his dad's name but also the hype carried from developmental. And you're right, they actually did something.

A good example would have been Jack Swagger. He debuted in September 2008, whereas DiBiase debuted in May. Swagger, who I believe is very talented, in his year in the WWE, has had some great matches and moments. Granted, DiBiase was in a tag team and then Legacy, with time out to film "The Marine 2", but even still, he hasn't accomplished half of what Swagger has, or had as many great matches. This may play down to oppurtunities, but at the end of the day, Swagger is more impressive ring-wise and personality wise.

That thrown on top of the fact that Rhodes and Dibiase Jr. were relatively untested when they joined Orton? I mean, Rhodes had a feud with Hardcore Holly, and Dibiase had a few tag team matches with Rhodes. That's about it. Then BOOM. They get thrown in with Orton and don't do anything for 4 months.

Yeah I know, I know. Swagger had more oppurtunities to showcase his talents. But DiBiase had a royal rumble, a tag team title run, numerous promos, and a main event match at Backlash. But I can't see anything.

I don't blame you when you say you can't see anything. I'm surprised anyone can.

This is my point Razorback. If no one else can see his "It-factor", then why is he receiving all this praise? Thats why I started this thread, and it still hasn't been answered.

Not shooting on you or anything Mantaur, but you honestly saw a top heel when Orton first came in? You saw, future champion and poster child of the WWE?

I wouldnt say a poster child. And no, not when he first debuted. But after joining Evolution and having a that first Intercontinental run, I knew he would definately be a future champion. Around about Backlash 2004 when he faced Foley was the final match to extinguish my doubts. Vengeance 2004 against Edge was good too, so check it out.
I dont mind waiting for DiBiase to grow and become a main eventer, but as of right now, I dont see anything in him, so lets all stop waiting for him to end Taker's streak.

Ted Dibiase Jr. has been in the WWE one whole year and you’re expecting him to show you clear signs of him being ready for the main event, or a certain World Champion in the future.

No. Im not expecting him to show signs of being ready for the main event. Im expecting some justification for all the praise he's getting from the IWC.

You can’t judge Ted Dibiase Jr. on one year being in the WWE, because its not a valid judgment.

So why is everyone (I use that term loosely, as I'm discovering people share my opinions) expecting him to face Orton for the WWE title at Wrestlemania one day? Thats not a valid judgement either.