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Plus Sly must attack Kurt Angle every chance he gets, when pretty much Cena was a good champion for Smackdown in 2005, but a terrible choice for Raw. Cena was an inferior worker to Christian, Jericho, and Kurt Angle, and therefore was booed for being an inferior worker, pretty simple really.
Samoa Joe is an inferior worker, by far, to AJ Styles and Kurt Angle.

How come he's not booed for being an inferior worker? Matt Hardy is a far inferior worker to MVP, how come he's not booed for being an inferior worker?
CM Punk is an inferior worker to Chavo Guerrero, how come he's not booed for being an inferior worker?

No, that's not why he was booed. There's a lot more to it.

And, I don't attack Kurt Angle, I just call him for what he is. An overrated spot worker, who wouldn't know how to incorporate psychology into his match if he was in a triple threat match with Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan.


Kurt Angle is today's version of Ric Flair. The product of hype and arrogance, overrated in the ring, spotty as hell and lacks psychology which is why he can never draw fans.
 
Hey I have no problem with the 3 guys you just mentioned and the term of over rated. Joe, Punk and Matt Hardy are nowhere near the level of worker the person they are matched up against.

The Kurt Angle Button is the magic Sly Red Button, I like pushing it, always gets a response, hehehe.
 
BTW someone here said people will dislike Cena to be cool..:headscratch:...What? I will not say that I hate anyone that I never met. I can say that my feelings towards his performance is due to my own opinion and what I like. I like chocolate but don't tell me I think I'm trying to be cool because a good bit of people agrees. I can say that what I feel about Cena is my opinion b/c I'm the only one that watch wrestling in my circle. No one can poison my mind:icon_smile:.
 
I love watching people justify their needless disdain of Cena, in comical ways. Generally they just regurgitate the same tired lines that other people have used, never paying attention to how they've been proven false time and again.

So, for all of you Cena haters, I'm here to help. Let me explain to you all why you REALLY dislike Cena.



1) Cena's wrestling style

Cena's wrestling style does not match with what the typical "smark" opinion of what good wrestling is. Due to their being "worked" by wrestling companies (something I discuss in another thread), smarks now have in their head that those who mat wrestle/technical wrestle are good wrestlers. Why? Because this is what they've been told by the business for decades to think. They also think that any guy who is big and strong and doesn't work a technical style automatically is less skilled, when this is certainly not the case, and has been proven time and again to not be true. However, smarks think this because this is what the wrestling business has told them to think for years.

Quality wrestling has nothing to do with style of match, but rather with things such as storytelling, psychology, workrate, charisma, and selling. Unfortunately, so many "smarks" do not understand this, and simply believe that whatever offensive style a worker uses determines the quality of wrestler.

Thus, with that in mind, this was working against Cena.

2) His first feuds.

In my mind, this is the biggest factor. When Cena came over to Raw in the draft, he was MEGA over. Like, Steve Austin and The Rock over. However, the WWE did not understand the phenomenon that was coming their way, and so they placed Cena in a program with Jericho, and eventually Christian. Why was this a mistake? Because both of these guys were absolute "smark" darlings at the time. Their offensive match style was not the same as Cena's, and thus, smarks thought Cena wasn't good because he didn't work the same match style.

After a smattering of boos in his feud with Jericho, the WWE then booked him Kurt Angle, the prototype of the smark darling. Ignoring how silly it would be for Cena to wrestle Angle's style of match, smarks instantly assumed that because Cena didn't wrestle the same style of match, just like with Jericho, Cena must suck as a wrestler.

3) Cena rap album

At the same time this was happening, Cena had just released a rap album. The general wrestling audience is not made up of fans of rap music (we saw this in WCW with Master P), but rather prefer other forms of music. However, just like with any WWE worker's production, it was plugged non-stop over and over, causing many, including myself, to get tired of it and wanting it to go away.

So, let's take a short break to recap. Cena's wrestling style does not fit typical "smark" standard of quality, Cena is being pitted against two of the biggest smark darlings, and is the reason that an unpopular music choice is being constantly shoved down our throats each and every week. Let's go on.

4) Poor heel work by Kurt Angle.

I know people will look at this and scoff, but unfortunately, this is true. Kurt Angle's heel psychology in his feud with Cena was pitiful. Instead of working hard to change his style in order to keep fans from cheering him (as a heel should do, especially when the face already gets a smattering of boos), Angle instead completely did away with heel psychology, and cared more about crowd inducing pops than working a heel match. He would use high spot moves, high impact moves, play to the crowd, and do things to pop the crowd. This is not good heel psychology. So, instead of reversing a trend, Angle just further propelled it.

5) Snowball effect

Once it started, it was going to be hard to reverse it, much less stop it. Edge, for his part, did a decent job in January 2006 to stall it, but then Triple H came in and played right into the smarks hands and wet dreams. He proceeded to tell Cena he couldn't wrestle, etc. This, of course, led to their Wrestlemania match, where if anyone was paying attention, Cena actually outwrestled Triple H at the end of the match to retain the title. Unfortunately, that was lost on the majority of the crowd, most likely due to the snowball effect.

6.) Cena's natural appeal

No one can deny the fact that Cena is just naturally appealing to women and children. He's good looking, strong as an ox, and very charismatic. Unfortunately, so many males have a problem liking the same thing women and children do, probably because they feel as if they are superior fans. That is why for the longest time you heard "Cena only gets cheered by women and children". While that statement was factually inaccurate, it brought the much bigger question..."So?". Do women and children not count as fans? It was an attitude of "I'm a better fan than you", an attitude you see quite often with, ta da, "smarks".

7.) Cena's long title reigns.

While this by itself is not a big deal, when compounded upon the first six, it is more than enough reason to give people just another excuse to dislike him.

And finally...

8.) Cena wants you too

That's right, John Cena wants you to boo him. Because the louder you boo him, the louder his fans cheer him. The louder they cheer, the louder you boo, until the entire arena is into his matches, screaming at the top of their lungs their feelings for Cena. It brings a realism to professional wrestling that you see in boxing and MMA, but is foreign to professional wrestling. You can't call him a tweener, because he is obviously of face disposition, but he knows what irritates his detractors. I mean, if Cena and the WWE were REALLY concerned about him getting boos, don't you think they would have addressed it? Added more moves to his moveset? Changed his match style? Booked him against more heels like Edge and Umaga, guys he got cheered against because they were not as respected as guys like Jericho, Angle, HHH and HBK? Of course they would.

But, that would be against their best interests. There's a reason why Cena holds the hand up for a 5 Knuckle Shuffle so long, even when it's getting overwhelmingly booed. There's a reason he does and says the things he does. Because, in the end, YOU CARE ABOUT JOHN CENA. Whether you hate him or love him, you care. And, in the end, you will pay to watch him wrestle, whether you want him to win or lose.

And that's what professional wrestling is all about.


So there you have it. Why people ACTUALLY dislike John Cena.






I thought about putting this in the "Columns" lounger, but I think being in a spam forum, it's much more likely to get responses.

Would you mind if I actually showed this to people who don't go to this forum? Full credit, of course, will be given. :)

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First off, let me just say that I like Cena a lot, but Sly… you’re post is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

Look… the main reason people dislike Cena is because they dislike Cena. End of story. It’s their personal preference. Sure, some of the reasons you stated could be why certain fans don’t like him, but who gives a shit? Their wrestling fans. They take the time out of their schedule to sit down every week and watch pro wrestling. They have the right to root for whomever they please. Their reasons for it don’t need to be questioned by other fans. It's 2008. EVERY single wrestler has their fans and haters.

When Cena came over to Raw in the draft, he was MEGA over. Like, Steve Austin and The Rock over.

See… saying shit like this takes away from your argument so much. You come off so biased. To compare Cena, a guy who can’t draw a 4.0 rating regularly, to two of the biggest draws of all time is mind-boggling.

After a smattering of boos in his feud with Jericho, the WWE then booked him Kurt Angle, the prototype of the smark darling. Ignoring how silly it would be for Cena to wrestle Angle's style of match, smarks instantly assumed that because Cena didn't wrestle the same style of match, just like with Jericho, Cena must suck as a wrestler.

Please explain to me what the fuck is a “smark”? You said it so many times in your post. Just curious... am I a smark because I like Bryan Danielson, RVD, and CM Punk? Wait, no… I can’t be a smark because I also like John Cena and Randy Orton. So does that make me a mark?

Sorry, but categorizing wrestling fans because of the wrestlers they enjoy watching is ******ed.

Poor heel work by Kurt Angle.

Disagree big time right here. Angle did every thing he could to put Cena over as a face.

Once it started, it was going to be hard to reverse it, much less stop it. Edge, for his part, did a decent job in January 2006 to stall it, but then Triple H came in and played right into the smarks hands and wet dreams. He proceeded to tell Cena he couldn't wrestle, etc. This, of course, led to their Wrestlemania match, where if anyone was paying attention, Cena actually outwrestled Triple H at the end of the match to retain the title. Unfortunately, that was lost on the majority of the crowd, most likely due to the snowball effect.

On this and the rap album statement, I agree 100%.

No one can deny the fact that Cena is just naturally appealing to women and children. He's good looking, strong as an ox, and very charismatic. Unfortunately, so many males have a problem liking the same thing women and children do, probably because they feel as if they are superior fans. That is why for the longest time you heard "Cena only gets cheered by women and children". While that statement was factually inaccurate, it brought the much bigger question..."So?". Do women and children not count as fans? It was an attitude of "I'm a better fan than you", an attitude you see quite often with, ta da, "smarks".

And? Internet fans who say this about Cena haters do the same shit themselves when it comes to wrestlers "smarks" like. It's so hypocritical.

That's right, John Cena wants you to boo him. Because the louder you boo him, the louder his fans cheer him. The louder they cheer, the louder you boo, until the entire arena is into his matches, screaming at the top of their lungs their feelings for Cena. It brings a realism to professional wrestling that you see in boxing and MMA, but is foreign to professional wrestling. You can't call him a tweener, because he is obviously of face disposition, but he knows what irritates his detractors. I mean, if Cena and the WWE were REALLY concerned about him getting boos, don't you think they would have addressed it? Added more moves to his moveset? Changed his match style? Booked him against more heels like Edge and Umaga, guys he got cheered against because they were not as respected as guys like Jericho, Angle, HHH and HBK? Of course they would.

But, that would be against their best interests. There's a reason why Cena holds the hand up for a 5 Knuckle Shuffle so long, even when it's getting overwhelmingly booed. There's a reason he does and says the things he does. Because, in the end, YOU CARE ABOUT JOHN CENA. Whether you hate him or love him, you care. And, in the end, you will pay to watch him wrestle, whether you want him to win or lose.

And that's what professional wrestling is all about.

Of coarse Cena loves getting a reaction. Anyone with a brain knows this. But to say Cena WANTS to get booed is stupid. No babyface on Earth wants to get booed. It’s better than no reaction, sure, but I’m positive if Cena and Vince had their way, every person in the audience would cheer Cena each and every night.

So there you have it. Why people ACTUALLY dislike John Cena.

Do you want a cookie?

Dude, again… who cares why people boo who they boo, or cheer who they cheer? It’s the biggest beauty about pro wrestling that we the fans get to determine who to root for and who to despise. No one is right or wrong for their choices. They just have their own preferences.
 
Would you mind if I actually showed this to people who don't go to this forum? Full credit, of course, will be given. :)

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Not at all. Go for it.
Look… the main reason people dislike Cena is because they dislike Cena.
You're right. I'm sure it is just a totally random and arbitrary thing, and fans choose who they like and dislike for no reason.

That's ridiculous. Everyone has reasons that they like or don't like someone, and this article outlines the underlying current of reasons that it happens.

See… saying shit like this takes away from your argument so much. You come off so biased. To compare Cena, a guy who can’t draw a 4.0 rating regularly, to two of the biggest draws of all time is mind-boggling.
Why? Did you even watch wrestling back in 2005? The guy was mega over. His music would hit and every single person in the arena would stand and make as much noise as they possibly could, in every arena they went to. Cena was MEGA over back when he got drafted to Raw.

Instead of closing your mind and shutting your eyes, why not try and be objective, and actually watch shows from the time period? I suggest the draft night to start.

Please explain to me what the fuck is a “smark”? You said it so many times in your post. Just curious... am I a smark because I like Bryan Danielson, RVD, and CM Punk? Wait, no… I can’t be a smark because I also like John Cena and Randy Orton. So does that make me a mark?
Smark = Smart Mark put together.

It means someone who understands some of the basic principles of wrestling, and yet still allows themselves to be "worked" by the show. And since I'm sure you don't know what it means to be "worked", I'll explain that as well.

You know what a shoot is in wrestling, correct? And you know that a "work" is the opposite of a shoot. A shoot is when something becomes real, and a work is when the performers try to get you to believe something is real.

Thus, a smark is someone who is supposedly "smart" to the business, and yet, still allows themselves to be "worked" by wrestling.

You can be a "smark" and like anyone you wish.

Disagree big time right here. Angle did every thing he could to put Cena over as a face.
Like what?

I just gave you a whole paragraph why Angle's heel psychology was piss bucket. Conveniently, you decided not to quote it. Please tell me how Angle did "everything he could to put Cena over as a face". I would love to hear that.

On this and the rap album statement, I agree 100%.
Wait...what?

Didn't you say earlier that "but Sly… you’re post is beyond ridiculous on so many levels." and that "the main reason people dislike Cena is because they dislike Cena."

If you agree with two of my statements, it kind of contradicts your own statement in the same post.

I love when people make themselves look bad.

And? Internet fans who say this about Cena haters do the same shit themselves when it comes to wrestlers "smarks" like. It's so hypocritical.
What? You need to explain that because that made no sense.

Of coarse Cena loves getting a reaction. Anyone with a brain knows this. But to say Cena WANTS to get booed is stupid. No babyface on Earth wants to get booed. It’s better than no reaction, sure, but I’m positive if Cena and Vince had their way, every person in the audience would cheer Cena each and every night.
Did you even read what I wrote? Do you have the ability to comprehend writing?

Cena plays right into the hands of those who boo him. Like I said, earlier...
ME said:
I mean, if Cena and the WWE were REALLY concerned about him getting boos, don't you think they would have addressed it?

Do you want a cookie?
Would you like to have a clue?

Dude, again… who cares why people boo who they boo, or cheer who they cheer?
Well, most people on wrestling forums. :thumbsup:

If you didn't care, why did you bother to post at all in this thread? Once again, you're making yourself look bad.

It’s the biggest beauty about pro wrestling that we the fans get to determine who to root for and who to despise.
It's this self-righteous bullshit that is ruining wrestling. People are so scared of being called a "sheep" or something like that, they forget what the whole point of professional wrestling is really about.

No one is right or wrong for their choices. They just have their own preferences.
Yeah, that may be, but some are bigger idiots than others.

^^

Never though I'd say this about you but FUCKING GENIUS.
Considering he contradicted himself two or three times, and really doesn't understand what I'm writing about, I'm inclined to disagree.
 
How come people ignored my obvious Question because it is seriously annoying me. What is Cena's Gimmick now. Is he still a Marine Wannabe or is he a rapper or is he a Homophobe that he pulls the jokes out for very regularly.
 
How come people ignored my obvious Question because it is seriously annoying me. What is Cena's Gimmick now. Is he still a Marine Wannabe or is he a rapper or is he a Homophobe that he pulls the jokes out for very regularly.
Cena's gimmick is one of a professional wrestler, who wants a title.

Just like The Rock's gimmick back in 2000.
 
Sly, I've got to say that bit about Angle's heel work to being suited to Cena was very interesting, and I completely agree. However, I still wouldn't call Angle's psychology poor. I'd call it...different...non-existent, if I'm honest. I'm really not sure what I'm getting that by saying something like: Either way, stepping into the ring with a smark's (and my) dream wasn't something that was ever going to do Cena good.
 
John Cena has personality, there's no denying that. My issue is how improperly he's being booked and performing in matches.

While long titles reigns can be beneficial, his wasn't. He was already over, and his reign put NO ONE over. If anything, it ended up burying people. How many 'monsters' did Cena completely destroy the credibility of? I'm sorry, the Great Khali is tapping? We're supposed to take him seriously now? How many times now has Umaga had to been 're-branded' as a monster? It's ridiculous. The problem with Cena's reign is that there was a HUGE lack of strong heels. What they needed to do was put the strap on someone like Orton and have HIM enjoy the long reign, while rebuffing Cena's every advance. It builds Orton as a main eventer AND sets up a huge match for people where Cena would finally prevail. People love the underdog... but the underdog needs to be a face. It's what someone mentioned earlier, even when champion, they pushed Cena as the underdog, which essentially flies directly in the face of logic.

Now, that's the booking. What about his match performance? THIS is what was really irking me. Nearly every Cena match became him getting beat down for the majority of it, only to 'miraculously' come back and hit either the FU or the STFU to win, playing into the underdog thing. Problem is, it doesn't work. If Cena was getting beat down, you KNEW he was going to win. Personally, I prefer matches that are a little more back and forth with some sort of LOGICAL outcome. I don't think I ever disliked Cena more than when they began to turn him into a submission wrestler. Well, he only had one, but evidently it was pretty damn effective. So, he gets beat down for 15 minutes, slaps on the STFU and the opponent taps within seconds. THAT'S not good storytelling. If you're going to finish with a submission move, work over the opponent. When people are tapping to the STFU without much damage, it makes EVERY OTHER SUBMISSION on the roster look weak. Like, let's say... last night on Raw. Jericho vs. Punk. Punk was beat, and yet DID NOT TAP to the liontamer. If it was the STFU, Punk would've tapped within seconds. I hated it even more when they began to have people tapping to the STFU within seconds, which Kennedy was the biggest perpetrator of. When Cena got injured, fine, but then it KEPT HAPPENING. A month or two ago, there was the Cena/Kennedy match where, once again, Kennedy was dominating Cena. He missteps, Cena locks in the STFU and Kennedy taps IMMEDIATLY.

Tell me, exactly, how that is a good way to work a match? We already know that Cena is powerful, so who is that helping?

Oh, and a sort of connected point... Cena doesn't know how to sell. Hell, look at his WM match with HBK. The reason I dislike him in the ring has nothing to do with his offensive style, but the way the WWE is forcing his matches to be.

I have to say, though, he's more interesting recently because he HAS been losing the big matches, but 'smarks' know that's only because he's filming a movie. Outside of surprise, him winning the Rumble made no sense and furthered NOTHING considering he wasn't going to win anything. Which, I suppose is the problem... he's been losing the big matches recently, but he's still been IN all of them, which is another problem in of itself. It's like the above poster said about his gimmick now... I honestly don't think WWE has any idea what to do with Cena if he's NOT in the title picture, which speaks volumes ABOUT his lack of a gimmick.

I'm damn curious to see what happens as soon as the movie wraps. Will the Age of Orton continue, or will we be subjected to another Cena rampage?
 
That's ridiculous. Everyone has reasons that they like or don't like someone, and this article outlines the underlying current of reasons that it happens.

Ummm... no. You, never, not once in your life, disliked someone for no reason? You never looked at a person and thought to yourself, "Man, I do not like that motherfucker"? Everybody has, and unfortunately for Cena, he has that sort of quality about him. You know who else had it? Shawn Michaels in 1996. Why did people dislike him during his feud with Sid? He was feuding with Sid for Christ sake, and he got booed out of the fucking building at MSG. Why was that? Because just like Cena, he's not a man's man. There's no reason as to why they are the way they are, but they have that stigma about them that most people just find to be annoying.

Why? Did you even watch wrestling back in 2005? The guy was mega over. His music would hit and every single person in the arena would stand and make as much noise as they possibly could, in every arena they went to. Cena was MEGA over back when he got drafted to Raw.

Instead of closing your mind and shutting your eyes, why not try and be objective, and actually watch shows from the time period? I suggest the draft night to start.

Okay, by this logic, Bret Hart in 1995 was as over as Hogan was in 1987 just because Hart got loud pops every time he came out? See how stupid that sounds?

Besides, 2005? Dude, did you watch Wrestlemania 21? What was the crowd doing during Cena's match? Ummm.... absolutely nothing, that’s what. They were sitting there bored as hell. And don't blame the match, because no matter how shitty of angle or match Austin or Rock were in at the time, in EVERY match those two had against ANYBODY, the crowd reacted to almost every move. Yet, you want to claim that Cena in 2005 was as over as Rock and Austin? Are you fucking kidding me? The dude couldn't get the people up for Wrestlemania! And ge was in their with a hated heel!

Show me one match where the crowd wasn't going nuts for Austin or Rock during their hot streaks. You can’t do it.

Smark = Smart Mark put together.

Wow.. you're a fucking genius, huh?

It means someone who understands some of the basic principles of wrestling, and yet still allows themselves to be "worked" by the show. And since I'm sure you don't know what it means to be "worked", I'll explain that as well.

You know what a shoot is in wrestling, correct? And you know that a "work" is the opposite of a shoot. A shoot is when something becomes real, and a work is when the performers try to get you to believe something is real.

Thus, a smark is someone who is supposedly "smart" to the business, and yet, still allows themselves to be "worked" by wrestling.

You can be a "smark" and like anyone you wish.

So, you're a smark then? Angle and Jericho are your darlings, as you put it? By your definition, we're all smarks.

But why then categorize certain fans as smarks just because of who they root for, like you did in your first post? Then it's funny how your tried to take take that away in this wonderful post. But dude, you called all Angle/Jericho/Christian fans smarks. That's categorizing fans.

In fact, on another point, thinking about it, the term "smart mark" doesn't make sense in the first place. Do you know what a mark is? Mark implies a con. To call fans marks implies that you're knowingly conning people out of money. How could anyone, ever, be a mark and also be smart? It doesn't make sense and people shouldn't use either of the terms.

Like what?

I just gave you a whole paragraph why Angle's heel psychology was piss bucket. Conveniently, you decided not to quote it. Please tell me how Angle did "everything he could to put Cena over as a face". I would love to hear that.

I didn't quote it because it was full of shit. Angle did nearly every heel tactic in the book to get fans to boo him, but the fans just didn't like Cena over him. Edge was the only heel that could get Cena's boos to a minimum. Angle, Orton (who is a great heel, like Angle), and to a certain extent Umaga couldn’t do anything to keep the fans from voicing their disgust for Cena. And the ONLY reason why Edge could do it, was because of the Matt Hardy scandal. Had that never gone down and Cena and Edge still had the exact same feud, I guarantee fans would've cheered Edge a lot more, and you would've added some more bitching to your post about Edge being a bad heel.

It's not Angle's fault he didn't fuck a popular wrestler's girlfriend a few months before his feud with Cena started.

Wait...what?

Didn't you say earlier that "but Sly… you’re post is beyond ridiculous on so many levels." and that "the main reason people dislike Cena is because they dislike Cena."

If you agree with two of my statements, it kind of contradicts your own statement in the same post.

I agreed with those two statements from a personal standpoint. During Cena's feud with Hunter, I remember being disgusted as HHH's antics. And I also remember being disappointed with Cena's rap album because it sucked, and the non-stop press coverage WWE gave the piece of shit.

The rest of your post, however, was complete crap. Sorry.

What? You need to explain that because that made no sense.

And I need reading comprehension?

Okay, let me put it simpler terms so the Almighty Sly can understand: The same people on the internet who claim that a reason why people don't like Cena is because kids and woman like him (i.e. you), are the same fans who do not like wrestlers who "smarks" like. You guys will not give certain wrestlers a fair chance to get over with you only because ROH/indie fans like them, and since those are the same fans who voice their disgust over WWE's product on messageboards, the guys they like must be shit in your minds. Just like how you claim "smarks" think Cena is shit only because little kids and women like him. Do you see the hypocrisy? What you accuse smarks of doing, you do yourself with different wrestlers.

Did you even read what I wrote? Do you have the ability to comprehend writing?

Cena plays right into the hands of those who boo him. Like I said, earlier...

Yeah I read what you wrote and it doesn't make sense. Cena doesn't "play right into the hands of those who boo him"; he plays right into the hands of those who cheer him. He and Vince obviously want the kids and women fan base more so than the internet fans because they know kids and women are the one's who buy the most merchandise. However, and this was my main point, if it were up to Cena and Vince, I'm positive they'd enjoy having the 18-34 male demographic as Cena's fan base as well. You said, and I quote, "John Cena wants you to boo him". That's one of the more ******ed things I've ever read.

If you didn't care, why did you bother to post at all in this thread? Once again, you're making yourself look bad.

When did I say that I care for who you or anyone else roots for? I didn't say that. What bothers me are ‘holier than thou’ people such as yourself who try to make others feel inferior only because of who they cheer and/or boo.

It's this self-righteous bullshit that is ruining wrestling. People are so scared of being called a "sheep" or something like that, they forget what the whole point of professional wrestling is really about.

Oh, please. There is nothing "ruining" with pro wrestling. As long as people are watching and spending money on the product, it will live forever. Just because you don't like how the internet has a big voice today doesn't mean wrestling is in bad shape.
 
If we take this 'underdog gimmick' argument to be true it never really worked did it? This is a guy who started as a rookie and came within a hairs breath of beating Kurt Angle. A rookie nearly beat an Olympic Gold Medalist in his first match!!!! Most of the main eventers had trouble 'beating' Angle so how are we ever to believe that Cena is an underdog?
Then throughout his Smackdown tenure his promo work made him a draw and he was pushed accordingly, having him lose only to the top dogs like Lesnar and Taker, the rap gimmick gets over more with each passing week and I am sat at home wanting to see Cena... and soon after is where the problem started.
Cena becomes US champ at Mania 20, loses it to Carlito and quickly wins it back. Loses to Orlando Jordan thanks to JBL and then he's WWE champ at Mania 21 (April 2005). He then pretty much remains champion until October of 2007! He loses the belt to Edge (wins it back in a month) and RVD (wins it back about 2 months later, Edge gets it, beats Cena once and then loses it to him) and then a full year of Cena, with no decent rivalries except Umaga and Orton (which we knew Orton would most likely win as soon as he was given a 3rd shot at Cena), no decent promos and no development in his wrestling style since he started except the addition of a submission (big whoop!) Then the Kennedy Curse gets him, and finally we can get a break from John Cena and hey, Y2J's back with a title shot, Jeff Hardy's getting a push! Who's gonna b #30 in RR08? No!.... No!..... NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Yes! He's back! And right back in the title picture....
WWE need to mix it up a little. Im sick of PPVs consisting of MVP getting counted out to start, 2 random gimmick matches with 3 World Title matches to end.
My problem with Cena? Im sick of having him shoved down my throat without any of the characteristics that made me like him originally, just as im sick of Batista another guy who from WM21 onwards until Armageddon 2007 was either the champion, the challenger or on the injured list.
 
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