Should the Undertaker become the American Badass again?

[thetruemike]

Punk and Taker is definitely something that is going to be a unique feud. I just dont think Taker's gimmick right now is something that can build Punk up correctly. Im a huge CM Punk fan and he's a great heel right now but Breaking Point is going to leave the wrestling society with a lot of questions in mind. Will he or will he not keep his title and how will it happen. This match already raises multiple outcomes. I still pick Taker to win this one but it wont be pretty.

Now onto my main discussion, Taker dark power gimmick is great dont get me wrong but now that Punk is being push greatly, I think its time for the return of the Badass Undertaker. That undertaker is someone Punk can really bash on with his Straight Edge gimmick and it's something that would cement Punk as a really main eventer. This feud would could go on for a couple of months even. I think this feud could even 'kayfabe' be personal with Punk going to Taker's house preaching to his wife or messing with his family. Something that would really make people hate Punk even more while still driving its point. A 'normal' family would want their children away from drugs, would better than Punk being straight edge to preach the truth to someones family and over stepping boundaries. Controversy creates cash and this would definitely bring views to their seats. That would make for a great program and you still mess around with returning elements such as Edge and pushing Morrison and Ziggler until Rey returns. Matt unfortunate for him is being shoved back so if they plan on making Taker vs Punk big, drop the deadman and bring back Big Evil

 

[y2empleh]

I think Undertaker should stay as he is. It's no secret that he's likely in his last year or two and should be remember for the deadman gimmick. Plus the deadman gimmick allows him to be used sparingly and still make a lasting impact. I do think this feud with the deadman can help elevate Punk. Over the past 6 months, punk has made his magic getting inside people's heads, mainly jeff hardy, by playing his own mind games on people. Now he is up against the master of mind games in Undertaker.

 

[Jack Tunney's Ghost]

There's a reason why 'Taker isn't "The American Bad Ass" anymore.

Didn't work the first time... wouldn't work now.

Buuut... Marc Mero needs work... Have him as the "Johnny B. Badd Ass" gimmick... you would have something!

 

[thetruemike]

There's a reason why 'Taker isn't "The American Bad Ass" anymore.

Didn't work the first time... wouldn't work now.

Buuut... Marc Mero needs work... Have him as the "Johnny B. Badd Ass" gimmick... you would have something!

i beg to differ, the American Bad Ass/ Big Evil persona worked for 3 years during the Attitude era and he did win a championship during his Gimmick. It 'worked' then and i would think it would work now because itself of mind games playing around with Punk, someone who was a biker would make the crowd pop a lot but since its PG cartoony Taker with mystical powers benefits the kiddies vs a person that doesnt do drugs and drink, im guessing WWE is pushing role models on SD! Im looking at it marketing wise, it worked with Jeff, well, thats another case lol.

 

[Mitch3721]

Yea it definitely worked, and quite honestly that was my favourite era for the undertaker, the years 2000-2003. I just find the deadman gimmick tedious.

But should he return? No, as someone else has said he has one or two years left, he should remain as he is.

 

[GBALLA]

I wanna see him go back to the Ministry Undertaker simply because he cuts better promos and mic work is much better than the Undertaker now. He was the larger than life heel and I loved to see what he was going to do next.

 

[KKarvox]

I'd really love to see it, and it would make the fued make a bit more sense, since he was often chewing tobacco and such as Big Evil, and he could be kind of an outlaw like Austin was, or something. I dunno, i think he should have one last run as the ABA/Big Evil, but if most people are right that he only has a few years left, than i'd say no. However, if he has more gas in the tank, than i say go for it for a year or so. Id like to see him stay on as a color commentator/play by play though with the biker persona after he retires though.

 

[volvic]

Basass Undertaker is simply a no-goer, Persoanally like others said it didnt work the first time so why on earth on they going to do it again? but another Ministiry of Darkness thing might be good.

 

[19whitley85]

well, seeing as they arent allowed to say the word ass in this damn kid themed wwe nowadays, maybe they will call him the "american meanbutt" or the "american ill-tempered butt" (i hate this shitty PG era), but no, it wouldnt work imo.

 

[shafe_41]

Jesus eff Christ no. It failed miserably when it was done the first time so why do it again? Taker hated doing it. I mean HATED doing that gimmick. It was a terrible gimmick. It was just terrible. Plus Taker is nearing the end of his career and this WM could very well be his last. Why fix what isn't broken? Simple. As. That.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

No way.

Taker works as he is. He's best when he's the Deadman. It completely killed his aura when he went to the Bad Ass gimmick. I would be pretty dissapointed if I ever saw him as that again, he's much better at the creepy Taker babyface.

His feud with Punk will be good and hopefully a decent length feud. It works at the moment so why change it?

So, no I don't think he should change anything. Taker is great the way he is.

 

[LEGEND KILLER]

well, seeing as they arent allowed to say the word ass in this damn kid themed wwe nowadays, maybe they will call him the "american meanbutt" or the "american ill-tempered butt" (i hate this shitty PG era), but no, it wouldnt work imo.

I'm a firm believer that it's hard to make someone truly laugh out loud. American meanbutt??? Lmfao! That's amazing!

But not American badass or butt wouldn't work. This feud can be good if done right. Tonight they need a full all out submission match similar to that of mma I think these guys will steal the show tonight. Taker should stay as is bc the feud will work, both guys playing mind games with eachother. Similar to micheals taker but punk will use the straightedge gimmick and mock taker for being someone who represents death etc.

Punk should not loose the belt tonight but I have a bad feeling he will which will be bad for this feud.

 

[MariaLover 4 Life]

After what i just saw on Breaking Point i see either A) A very pissed off deadman or B) the return of the American Bad Ass but it's only a thought

 

[BOSS Productions]

well, seeing as they arent allowed to say the word ass in this damn kid themed wwe nowadays, maybe they will call him the "american meanbutt" or the "american ill-tempered butt" (i hate this shitty PG era), but no, it wouldnt work imo.

WTF is wrong with you. Why in blue hell are you copying what I said on my previous thread make up you own lines and never copy me again.

The Undertaker should return as American Badass.I heard someone say he shouldn't because he is close to retirement well it would make more sense to turn him into an American Badass for two reasons.

1.He will get inducted into the Hall Of Fame eventually and the Deadman gimmick won't suit that honor,especially since he never shows up to one.

2.Well he pretty much doesn't fit the Deadman persona like he use to I say they should have kept him Deadman until 2004 and changed him to the Badass at WM 20 not the other way around because we can't really take him as serious as his previous years as the Deadman and Ministry Taker so it would be good to change him now.

 

[19whitley85]

sorry bro, didnt catch ur last post, where is it and ill read what u wrote, didnt mean to piss in ur cheerios

 

[dashthestanpeat]

Honestly, Instead of seeing him come back as the ABA taker, they could use this screwjob sendup ending to bring him back as Big Evil. Yes, they're similar gimmicks, but bringing him back as Big Evil is more PG, so if they're going to do it, they should do it in that capacity. Plus I enjoyed Taker in both the Deadman and Big Evil personas.

 

[bluejt16]

well, seeing as they arent allowed to say the word ass in this damn kid themed wwe nowadays, maybe they will call him the "american meanbutt" or the "american ill-tempered butt" (i hate this shitty PG era), but no, it wouldnt work imo.

erm, haven't you heard mark henrys entrance music? "somebody's gonna get their ASS kicked!!!" i think that is the word ass.

anyway, to the question, i would love to see american badass come back, but it just won't happen. takers career has maybe 1 year left 2 tops and he will leave the way he came in as the dead man.

 

[Mr. TM]

II could actually see it coming back now. Think about it. He is being screwed over right now, so what does he do? Turn into an almost lone ranger. Riding his bike seeking justice. Give him a heavy entrance song, and he can pull it off.


He could later taker on CM Punk, facing him in a Hell in a Cell, then later a biker chain match at Survivor Series. If he wins that, and becomes the champion, he can later go on to face Edge up to Wrestlemania.

 

[simplyphenominal]

I think so. I always liked the American Bad Ass Undertaker better for some reason. That's not to say I don't like him without it. I just always thought it fit great. The guy is a bad ass and what's more simple than letting him be a bad ass in character.

I liked the motorcycle entrance and everything. I really would like to see him as the American Bad Ass again, but I doubt it would happen

 

[lee512]

never should he go back ever worst idea ever

 

[thetruemike]

It was funny when i first started this thread and I had a feeling Punk was going to win some how because its too early for Taker to win the title. Then the 'screwjob' happens and Punk is still the champ, well it put Punk over massively and Taker over as well. People will say it was crap and disrespectful all they want. Are you guys going to live in the attitude era forever? Yes it was a good era, should we have to always compare something thats been beat to death like 10 times over.

Now Big Evil Taker seems very powerful for a ridiculous situation that just happened. The dark powers dont get me wrong i love but now look at what happen at Breaking Point. Taker was 'kayfabe' pissed off and look stunned. People keep saying its horrible and the worst gimmick are the same people that love the attitude era. Well who contribute to the attitude era and what gimmick did he use? Right! People will say what they want but Taker including his DVD where he talks about Big Evil, he enjoys it because its him in his real life style shining in WWE. Just like how CM Punk is a straight edge in real life, Undertaker is a biker in real life and it would be cool to see 2 real life gimmick collide now with the fall out of Breaking Point

 

[Kenny Powers]

The Undertaker coming back as the American bad ass is like asking Ric Flair to come back as The Black Scorpion. Why don't we ask Triple H to go back to the Greenwich snob gimmick? Remember when Owen Hart was asked to go back to the Blue Blazer when they had nothing for him. Why would you ask the most popular character in wrestling to be a gimmick that wasn't over at all? I mean sure people cheered him since he was The Undertaker, but hearing Limp Bizkit play as The Undertaker comes down to the ring gives me douche chills.

Anyone who was a fan of WWE in the 90's loves the original Undertaker. It was silly to bring Hacksaw Jim Duggan back, but he still gets a huge pop. Even though The Undertaker is a ten times bigger star then Duggan. Look what happen when they turned Hogan into Mr.America.. didn't work. They even tried to make him heel with the NWO when he returned to WWE in 2002, that didn't work either.

That fact is, Undertaker still has the same abilities and attitude that the American Bad Ass Undertaker had. He still does the Last Ride, and I'm sure at autograph signings he isn't in his full deadman outfit. The time of the American Bad Ass has come and gone with the attitude era. The Undertaker should finish his career as he is doing now, going back to his roots as The Deadman.

 

[Razor]

I really wouldn't like to see Taker as the American Bad Ass again. Wasn't he heel in that gimmick? Smackdown can't afford to lose Taker to a heel gimmick now, or else you're going to get 50000 matches of Punk vs. Morrison, and everyone would cry about that faster than Trips vs. Orton 50050050505.

Taker as the American Bad Ass heel would be welcomed if Smackdown had the room for a heel. If they want to try him as a face, they can risk it. What's to lose? Taker isn't going to lose all of his Legend heat or anything near that. They'll lose three or four PPV matches to the Bad Ass gimmick before they revert back. Woop Dee doo.

Basically? Only bring it back now if he's face. If not, turn someone that isn't Punk face, then see where you get with it.

 

[Cjslick101]

I really wouldn't like to see Taker as the American Bad Ass again. Wasn't he heel in that gimmick? Smackdown can't afford to lose Taker to a heel gimmick now, or else you're going to get 50000 matches of Punk vs. Morrison, and everyone would cry about that faster than Trips vs. Orton 50050050505.

Taker as the American Bad Ass heel would be welcomed if Smackdown had the room for a heel. If they want to try him as a face, they can risk it. What's to lose? Taker isn't going to lose all of his Legend heat or anything near that. They'll lose three or four PPV matches to the Bad Ass gimmick before they revert back. Woop Dee doo.

Basically? Only bring it back now if he's face. If not, turn someone that isn't Punk face, then see where you get with it.

I would like to see it... don't really care too much but...
For the Sake of the Undertaker I would like to see the Bad Ass
He's getting older and his Deadman Character back in the day was unstoppable...
even when he lost it was controversial and he dominated matches....
Today, you put him in the ring with a Miz or a Dolph Ziggler and they stand toe to toe with him for a good portion of the match and maybe even dominate like CM Punk did for some time in this match....

When he was the Bad Ass which by the way he started as a face returning to chokeslam Vince McMahon and was in a rivalry with the Big Show, A-Train & Brock Lesnar and later faced Flair, Triple H, Hardy & Hogan where he then was a heel...

This Character made him realistically human like and he was a normal wrestler...
anyone could beat him at that point....

 

[attila]

Please god yes. this rest in peace, deadman resurrected bullshit is doing my fkn head in. You have a great worker who is actually a tattoo motorbike maniac who looks like a very credible Hell's Angles chapter leader (besides the point) who is a huge huge massive MMA fan - which is so hot right now. Stop selling me lightning bolts and all that smoke and mirrors crap. This is not 1993 nor is it 1998. I ain't fkn buying no more. This guy is a very interesting character all by his self. Let him be himself... he's a lot more interesting and a lot more creatively satisfying without a friggin gimmick.