At first he seemed really awkward to me, but every week I like him a little more. As someone with an affinity with heels I do rate him quite highly, he doesn't have the charisma of Jericho or Miz, but he does have presence and I'm more interested in watching him than Batista. And for some reason I crack up every time he says "fella", I don't know why it's so amusing.
Sheamus might be onto something....
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thepalaceprince
enjoying the view from my throne
Ive been driving the sheamus bandwagon basically since he came to raw. I love his unique look hes powerful and intense and his accent makes every promo he cuts absolute gold for me. I think his mic skills have ben impressive and Id love to see him continue mix some of his native tongue into promos also he needs to continue to say fella that gets me everytime it makes me laugh but its something that sounds insulting if someone said it to you. Im loving everything sheamus is doing right now the big question now is with hhh out who wil he feud with
matman8540
Ha! I kill me!
I haven't been a Sheamus fan to begin with, but I marked out last night when he was in the ring with both Orton & Batista. I have always enjoyed seeing heels wrestle each other who believe in their own agenda. In this case, it's the same agenda; the WWE title. Just because the fans boo you, doesn't mean you have to coexist. Sheamus has proven in the past, he's not prejudiced; he hates everyone. I also dig it when he says stuff like "fella". To him, everyone else is the same. Nobody better; just another victim. On a separate note, I really do not see him becoming a face anytime soon. But, then again, I never thought I would have seen people like The (Original) Shiek, Abdullah the Butcher, Mad Dog Vachon, Bruiser Brody, or Stan Hansen (if I missed someone, it's only due to space); becoming a face either.
TheBestThereNevaWas
Occasional Pre-Show
I'm not really sold on Sheamus & his rendition of Big Poppa Pump w/steel pipe. But he is getting more comfortable and getting better. He could have been as uncomfortable with the belt as we were seeing him with it, and probably let the criticisms get to him. But he is coming along.
I had to give him props last night, because when Batista went into his childish rant, Sheamus came out and told him off. It's rare when a heel will dress down another, but it shows how badly each man wants to be champ, and that's a good thing to "raise the value" of the belt. I liked the fact that he didn't allow himself to be dismissed by Orton as well with the "Oi, Oi, fella". I lol'd big time. He stood up to the main eventers so he gets respect.
Seeing how much smaller he was than Batista kinda made it hard for me to buy into his monster heel gimmick though. But I am looking forward to seeing him improve. I just hope that if his "Oi, Oi" or "fella" catches on with the crowd, that the E doesn't make him stop it (like Eeeessssttttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaddddaaaaaa!!!!)
Who knew that the word "fella" could sound condescending and hilarious at the same time?
I had to give him props last night, because when Batista went into his childish rant, Sheamus came out and told him off. It's rare when a heel will dress down another, but it shows how badly each man wants to be champ, and that's a good thing to "raise the value" of the belt. I liked the fact that he didn't allow himself to be dismissed by Orton as well with the "Oi, Oi, fella". I lol'd big time. He stood up to the main eventers so he gets respect.
Seeing how much smaller he was than Batista kinda made it hard for me to buy into his monster heel gimmick though. But I am looking forward to seeing him improve. I just hope that if his "Oi, Oi" or "fella" catches on with the crowd, that the E doesn't make him stop it (like Eeeessssttttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaddddaaaaaa!!!!)
Who knew that the word "fella" could sound condescending and hilarious at the same time?
I used to find Sheamus utterly boring. I didn't bother watching most of his matches, I'd just skip towards the end.
Really I think his main problem is move set. He just needs more than his big boot, and a lead pipe. You can't even count his finisher since he uses it on knocked out opponents more often than not.
Really I think his main problem is move set. He just needs more than his big boot, and a lead pipe. You can't even count his finisher since he uses it on knocked out opponents more often than not.
NoDamnMercy
DO A FLIP!
I liked Sheamus from the first time I saw him. I think he moves are great, I mean, besides Batista when was the last time you saw someone's finishing move a powerbomb? I think the kick is a good move, but not a strong finisher.
His mic skills were poor at first, but you've gotta admit they are getting better. Not everyone is gold on the mic right away, not even your mic kings like Cena, Jericho, HHH, etc. Do I think he got a title shot to soon? Yes, but thats something we can't change, deal with it. Will he get another title shot in the future? He better, but with time. Let him build his character up more. Have him "injure" more people, or just tear through everyone.
Do I think he is on to something? Yes, and hes not going away.
His mic skills were poor at first, but you've gotta admit they are getting better. Not everyone is gold on the mic right away, not even your mic kings like Cena, Jericho, HHH, etc. Do I think he got a title shot to soon? Yes, but thats something we can't change, deal with it. Will he get another title shot in the future? He better, but with time. Let him build his character up more. Have him "injure" more people, or just tear through everyone.
Do I think he is on to something? Yes, and hes not going away.
Ruthless-RKO
F*ck Friends, Rather die wiv ma AK!
Wow, i didn't know wolfe used the word wanker!!
as for sheamus, his next title reign you will see him working much hard for it, i mean batista is the no. 1 contender, so sheamus may have to wait a while...
using the word "oi", is kinda good, especially for the irishman. using a word like that, a word which americans don't use, it can draw some more heat, we might hear him say it in a promo to the fans in attendance soon, words can get you far..
as for sheamus, his next title reign you will see him working much hard for it, i mean batista is the no. 1 contender, so sheamus may have to wait a while...
using the word "oi", is kinda good, especially for the irishman. using a word like that, a word which americans don't use, it can draw some more heat, we might hear him say it in a promo to the fans in attendance soon, words can get you far..
Via Armbar
Has a pretty good dick.
Of course you're opinion is allowed as is everyones. The point I'm trying to make is there's a difference between somebody not doing their job well and just not being your cup of tea. I have never been a fan of Triple H but I understand that he does what he does very well. That's only an example and not a comparison, Sheamus still has a very long way to go. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by him seeming manufactured, He has one of, if not the most unique look on the roster at the moment. He's a couple inches taller than you're average wrestler, around the six and half feet mark and has a noticeable strong build. I think he's very believable and original. The reason he's working so well right now is because he IS believable in that role.
The men you are comparing to are three different styles and looks so I fail to see the comparison between them outside being big men. Lesnar was only six foot three I recall and Vader was about two inches taller. Sid was damn near seven feet tall. There's a big discrepancy in size there, and if you're familiar with all three you would know that there styles were all very different as well. So i get where you're going, but comparing all three of these men is pretty pointless seeing how different they are. If anything, I see a lot of Austin in his style if anything, and Stone Cold was definitely not a big man type.
You are thinking of Sheamus as trying to be the ''next somebody''. He's not going to be the next Sid or the next Lesnar. He's the first Sheamus. He's doing his own thing, his own way. Take it for what it is, you'll see things a lot differently.
You didn't think that his match with Triple H at Mania was good? I was thinking the match was going to be awful honestly and it turned out to be the most surprisingly good match of the card. I agree that he hasn't had any great matches but he hasn't had a bad one either. Every match I have seen him in so far he has performed to an acceptable level. Especially given the fact of who's in the ring with and the situation he's in. For being as green as he is, he has done a lot more than other rookies have in the past. Like I said, I can understand why soe didn't like the fact that he was given the title so soon. To most however, he has shown that it wasn't a fluke and he is the real deal. If he had been jobbing since losing the title than yeah, maybe I'd agree that it was a bad idea. He hasn't though and he's looked very dominant against big names. What more could you want from a new main eventer?
Again, you're comparing Sheamus to someone who he has very little in common with. Sure they're both big guys, and they were both pushed to the moon very fast. Other than that, there's more difference than there are similarities. Their styles are completely different in the ring and on the mic. I'm a Lesnar fan and I always thought he was generic shit on the mic. Sheamus has a cool accent that automatically sets him apart and has a completely different style of speech, even in the slang he uses. Lesnar may have been more physically intimidating to the eye, but he needed Heyman to talk for him for a number of months after his debut. Sheamus doesn't need a mouthpiece, he does it himself.
So if Sheamus was larger, he would be better? That's what I'm gathering from your statement. He didn't have better mic skills than Sheamus, so it couldn't be that. His moveset is completely different than Lesnar's was, so it's damn near incomparable. So I'm trying to figure out why the push worked for Lesnar but not Sheamus in your mind. I'm drawing a blank here.
....Orton's gimmick is that of a 'viper'. He executes things quick, viciously and with great intesity. That is part of his gimmick. In this line of thought, you would say that he would be able to put on a great technical clinic with any wrestler because of the 'execution'? Would it look normal for Cena to hit a move like Orton does? It wouldn't because it's not part of his character like it is Orton's. Cena executes his moves just as well as Randy does, there is no doubt in my mind about that. It's called difference in technique, it does exist. If we are talking intensity here, Batista equals Orton in that department honestly so I'm still not seeing your point.
He got some pretty good heat for destroying Noble and it's not like Jamie as an incredibly over face. As long as he was beating the shit out of someone that was halfway over like Kofi, he would have gotten heat. It would have started more slowly than it did with the top faces, but I assure you it would have been there.
It's fine to have a difference in opinion. What you were doing though is trying to make it sound like in some wau Sheamus wasn't performing well, and that's just not the case. He's done everything that could be asked of him at the moment. All of his matches have at least been average to good, and he constantly draws heat both in the ring and on the mic. This early in the game he has shown a lot of promise, moreso than a lot of rookies in the past.
It comes down to you not liking him. That's cool. Like I said, there's a difference between that and disliking him because he hasn't performed at an acceptable level.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
You're right, there is a difference between someone not being my cup of tea, and someone not doing their job well. To say Sheamus doesn't do his job well would be a bit harsh, but when it comes to Sheamus, I don't find him to be a believable monster. You're correct when you say he's a bit taller than your average wrestler, and he does have a strong build. But when I look at the guy, the man doesn't fit that character as well as someone of greater height and/or weight. He isn't that big. He isn't much taller than John Cena or Triple H, and in terms of bulk, he isn't as big as either one of them. They both look bigger and stronger, so why should I buy into him being able to physically dominate either man? Does he have some magical power I don't know about? I just don't think, size wise, he fits the monster they try and make him out to be. So while you find him believable in that role due to his size, that is one of the things that makes him less believable to me, just another difference of opinion.
What I mean by manufactured is that he almost sounds fake. That means he sounds scripted. He's not a very good actor. It has nothing to do with his look or in-ring ability, I never said that. It's about his promo skills and character (on the mic and conversing with other superstars). Are all pro wrestlers good actors? Are they all good on the mic? No. But when you get this quick of a push, I would expect him to be pretty damn good in each area, not a work in progress. And that goes for any other wrestler who, IMO, has been pushed too far, too early, it's not just exclusive to Sheamus. I have a hard time being entertained (and this is entertainment) on the mic by someone who I don't believe has a lick of acting talent. Matt Hardy, Shelton Benjamin, Mark Henry. Guys like that (on the mic). Is Sheamus as bad as those guys? No. But I just don't find him to have any natural acting ability, at all. He sounds...scripted.
The guys I mentioned (Sid, Vader, Lesnar) were all either much taller, or much more stacked/heavy than Sheamus (that's what I mean by presence). Vader outweighed him by a lot. Lesnar was much more muscular than Sheamus (not ripped, but bulkier). Sid was taller, and cut to shreds. I only used those guys as examples because they also had the "less talk, more action" approach.
All three of those guys, as you said, had different looks and styles, and yes, I am familiar with them (I've been watching wrestling for quite some time...). I agree with that, and never said they were similiar in that area. Where they are similiar is in character. All four of those guys were animalistic types. They didn't talk much, and ran through a lot of jobbers, and dominated a lot of top-level guys. The three guys I mentioned are more believable, once again IMO, because physically, they were just bigger and more intimidating than Sheamus.
And yes, I understand he is not trying to duplicate anyone, he is trying to be original. But with that being said, he is taking a somewhat familiar road to that original character (fast push, dominating jobbers, etc.). I am definitely "taking it for what it is," and so far, I don't see him any differently. But that could change, you never know.
No, I didn't find the match at Wrestlemania with HHH to be particularly entertaining. And no, before you ask, I'm not some big-spot junkie, or anything like that. I love a good brawl. But that match did nothing for me, and that's surprising, because I usually get really into HHH's main event matches.
Also, I believe you are correct when you say he has been "acceptable" in the ring so far. But he's a main event guy. What happens when he is asked to carry a match with someone of lesser talent? I just don't see him being able to do that. As for him being green, yeah, you're correct. He's very green. I just don't see his in-ring ability being on a high enough level to warrant such an early push in his career. And no, obviously he isn't a fluke in the eyes of WWE management. But that doesn't mean I have to become a fan. He's been dominant against big names because that is how he has been booked. So yes, they see the talent, but I don't. Once again, that means nothing, but it's my opinion.
Where I find Sheamus and Lesnar comparable are, A. How fast they were pushed (and how they were pushed), and B. The type of animalistic, monster character they both have. No, in the ring, on the mic, etc., they have nothing in common. But character wise, Sheamus is being pushed using a similiar path.
I don't believe Sheamus has a "cool" accent...he just has an accent. It's Irish, nothing new. His speech pattern is comparable to Swaggers (both have a lisp, and no, I'm not ripping on his lisp). The only difference would be...the accent. Him calling people "fella" means nothing to me.
"Would it be better if Sheamus were larger?" Sure. I think I could buy into his intimidating character a little more, yes. It has nothign to do with the moveset difference between Brock and Sheamus, I just think Brock was superior in the ring in every aspect. He was a big time college wrestler, who had great mat skills. He looked to be about twice as strong as Sheamus. He would constantly introduce new moves into his moveset, even if it was only for a night. Do all wrestlers today have great variety in their movesets? No. But I'm not talking about the whole roster, I'm talking about Sheamus, who was given a quick push, and I don't know why. I guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about.
Would it look normal for Cena to hit a move like Orton does? No, but IMO, it would be an improvement. When Cena hits a move, it looks as though he is in a rush to get to the next move. Orton doesn't have that problem. Orton seems confident in what he is doing, and makes every move count. Every move looks painful, and thought out. Batista as intense as Orton? I don't think so. Batista, over the last few years, has really cut back on the intensity. He looks bored in there. Cena has energy, I'll give him that. Batista just looks like he wants to get out of there, while Orton looks like he wants the match to continue all night so he can inflict even more punishment. Yes, that's a difference in character, and in this instance, I would have to say I agree that it's more about personal preference.
The reason I dislike him is because I don't think he has been a quality, big-time performer (at least not big enough to warrant a WWE title reign). Sure, over time, he will improve, and I hope he does. You are making it sound like I am hating on Sheamus because I just want to hate the guy, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Why would I look for a reason to hate him? If I thought he was great, I would like him. I would enjoy his character. But I don't. I don't think he is good enough, at this point in his career, to be a main eventer. So for me, there is no difference between disliking him and just not finding him to be that great. They are completely connected.
Good debate though, you're a damn good poster.
Sheamus really didn't fall off the radar like a lot of people feared when he lost the WWE Championship. That by far is his biggest accomplishment. Yes, Triple H put him over and all, but the guy has been able to stay a float after his title reign and that's saying something for someone who hasn't even been in the company a year yet. His mic work is coming along fairly well and he did look decent in the ring with Orton and Batista this past Monday night. He could be a top heel in the company by years end, even with Edge and Jericho over there now.
TwistofRKO
The Legend Killer himself
Yeah, this is a message board. Its my opinion that I can tell you when you're wrong. I never said you cant have your opinion, so don't even start down that path.
He's being pushed like crap, he has no room for creative expression, yet he generates heat and is productive in the ring. Do I think he's great? Nah. Going to be great? Nah. Effective? Yes.
He's obviously getting the same reaction, you know a good example? Yourself. He's getting less heat because Cena's been shoved down the throat longer. He generates hatred from the entire arena, more successful than most these days. He's working with scripted promos, which makes nearly everyone sound lame. I myself am not a huge fan, but I think he makes the most of his situation and belongs in this current WWE main event picture.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Never once did I say you were saying I couldn't have an opinion. But you seemed to take my criticism of Sheamus personally, saying I was "crying" about it. So, once again, deal with it. Don't take it so personally, it's not like I am insulting you.
He is generating heat, you are correct there. But that's a fact. You can hear the boo's. As for him being productive in the ring, sure, he's productive. He wrestles in matches every week. That's production. I never said he wasn't productive, so stop twisting my words around. But I don't care for him in the ring. I don't think he's all that talented, he's not my cup of tea, take from that what you will. That has nothing to do with production, I was talking about quality. And personally, seeing I don't find him to be that talented/entertaining in the ring, I don't find him "effective." Once again, that is a matter of opinion, not right and wrong. You need to understand the difference.
I have no clue what the first half of your last paragraph even meant. Myself as an example? Of what? Please explain, that made zero sense.
There are plenty of heels working well, ONCE AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, with the promo material handed to them. Orton, Batista, CM Punk, Jericho, Edge, Mysterio, Miz, etc. So the part about him being bad on the mic because of how he is being written is bulls**t. Plenty of guys have dealt with bad material before, and have made a believer out of me. For supposedly not being a Sheamus mark, you are taking this quite personally.
Sheamus has been "onto something" from the minute he debuted. I never like power guys, but Sheamus grabbed my attention the first time I saw him wrestle. He has the "it" factor. He showed he was something special from the start and has done nothing but improve along the way. Two of the WWE's biggest names in Cena and Triple H have already put him over and Sheamus worked a good match with Batista and Orton this past week on RAW. As many people have already pointed out, Batista even sold for him, which is something that is rare unless you are a well established name.
I've been saying it from the gate: Sheamus is the real deal.
I've been saying it from the gate: Sheamus is the real deal.
TwistofRKO
The Legend Killer himself
How did I take it personally? I wouldn't put the guy in my top 10 today, and I don't enjoy very much about wrestling today. Your reason for not liking him, however, resembles the cookie-cutter hatred everyone regurgitates every single time someone bursts onto the scene. If that's not you, don't wear the shoe.
Its pretty simple. You said Cena gets hated for the same things Sheamus does, but Sheamus gets away with it. That would be a blatant contradiction, since you hate Sheamus right now. So apparently he DOES get the same criticism.
Its pretty basic, I'm replying in the same order. Keep up.
Most of those guys were well established prior to strictly scripted promos. Those who weren't (CM Punk, The Miz) were put into actual gimmicks while Sheamus was made into a stereotype. How creative, a pale, temperamental Irishman. He's been placed on his own and is doing good work considering the circumstances.
And for understanding the difference between opinion and fact, I certainly do. This is for debate, so its pointless to sit here sharing opinions. If you don't think the Beatles are that good, you would be out of place in a thread dedicated to analyzing the Beatles greatest hits. If you don't like me telling you your statements are wrong, deal with it.
Morpheus101
Registered Boozer
Personally, I don't get the hate on Sheamus at all. He is original and he's worthy of the push that he's been getting, IMO. Sheamus's character represents something different -- a more "in your face", gritty, WYSIWYG style of wrestler, who isn't all about fake tans and cheesy promos. It's not just that Sheamus is Irish -- he's REAL, he keeps it REAL and he gets the job done. In the triple threat match on Raw, he looked perfectly at home with established main-eventers, i.e. Cena and Batista...he more than held his own.
A lot of the hate against Sheamus is as a result of people not being able to understand or appreciate what he's about. Sheamus represents a new breed of heel....a heel that doesn't need a stable, a manager or a fake tan to get by and kick ass. In fact, I'm convinced that Sheamus would be capable of *far* more if he'd risen to prominence during the WWE's "Attitude" era....he could have taken his natural brutality to the next level.
A lot of the hate against Sheamus is as a result of people not being able to understand or appreciate what he's about. Sheamus represents a new breed of heel....a heel that doesn't need a stable, a manager or a fake tan to get by and kick ass. In fact, I'm convinced that Sheamus would be capable of *far* more if he'd risen to prominence during the WWE's "Attitude" era....he could have taken his natural brutality to the next level.
I think that's a pretty good idea, having him slip little phrases into his speech patterns. The crowd is already eating him up as a heel, in part because of his voice. I don't see the harm in throwing out an "oi" once in a while to underscore his accent and rile the crowd up.
I really like Sheamus. He's coming into his own as a main event talent and is doing it well. I see him staying around for a long time.
I really like Sheamus. He's coming into his own as a main event talent and is doing it well. I see him staying around for a long time.
TheUnknownOne
Dark Match Jobber
Ever since debuting with The 'E, Sheamus has done nothing impressing, he had a forgettable WWE Title Run, a short fued with John Cena, and is currently in a fued with Triple H. Most of his matches are boring, he squashes people with actual talent (i.e:Kofi, Evan, etc.) and to top that all off, he is a horrible heel with no character. Are you saying that just b/c Sheamus puts on a match that doesn't end in DQ/CO that he's onto something? Tell me one match which shows he a main event push and he deserved that WWE Title run.
Morpheus101
Registered Boozer
I have to agree to disagree; I don't find him boring at all. He's actually a breath of fresh air from the normal endless Orton, Cena, HHH, Batista feuds that we've had for the last few years. Sheamus has asserted himself a bona-fide top player and he hasn't needed either a manager (as with Brock Lesnar) or a stable (as with Orton and HHH) to do this.
To say that he's boring or has no character is a matter of opinion. I think he's misunderstood and he has a very much "in your face" style (playing on his Irishness), which clearly won't appeal to all. The guy is a beast. He's not overly tanned or plastic looking like most wrestlers. He comes across as the kind of guy you'd find in a pub, who looks for brawls.
His matches are often squashes, but he has no less of a repertoire of wresting moves that anyone else has.
Sorry, but Sheamus is here to stay. Hopefully, WWE won't blow this one (they haven't so far).
Foodapoodas
Dark Match Jobber
I don't see why not. WWE are already trying to exploit the fact he's Irish to the extreme, so why not throw in some stereotypical catchphrases? It's the only thing that's stopping him ffrom being a completely boring and generic heel.
steveh0481
Columbia's finest
I completely agree with the quote that Sheamus is "a breath of fresh air." Sheamus has been giving it his all to get heat from the fans. I think he is doing a good job. He can only do as good as creative will allow (which is of course the McMahon-Levesque household) and since HHH is a good friend, I have a feeling this guy is going to get over huge.
NoDamnMercy
DO A FLIP!
What bugs me is when people go on how he is shitty in the ring. Bullshit! In all the matches that I've seen him in, he has yet to botch a move. Look at the WM match with him and HHH. I thought it was a great move and didnt see any botches. Meanwhile during the Jericho/Edge match I counted at least 3 botches moves!
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Right now, Sheamus is pulling up behind The Miz and Drew McIntyre as legit heels to me, and legit main eventers.
I mean normally I wouldn't be behind a person that McMahon has hand selected or anyone of the family (Orton being an exception, although he grew on me). Normally I would look at Sheamus and go "Oh look, Snitsky's been replaced" but the fact that I have been drawn into Sheamus is compelling. The dude has a way of letting you think that he is a complete bully and right now with his "I deserve a WWE title shot cause I won my match at Extreme Rules" speech is starting to make a lot of sense. Orton and Batista both had World title shots and lost, while Sheamus put one of the top stars "On the shelf"... why shouldn't he be the number one contender?
Sheamus is a very interesting person to watch, and the fact that they limit his mic time makes it even better.
I mean normally I wouldn't be behind a person that McMahon has hand selected or anyone of the family (Orton being an exception, although he grew on me). Normally I would look at Sheamus and go "Oh look, Snitsky's been replaced" but the fact that I have been drawn into Sheamus is compelling. The dude has a way of letting you think that he is a complete bully and right now with his "I deserve a WWE title shot cause I won my match at Extreme Rules" speech is starting to make a lot of sense. Orton and Batista both had World title shots and lost, while Sheamus put one of the top stars "On the shelf"... why shouldn't he be the number one contender?
Sheamus is a very interesting person to watch, and the fact that they limit his mic time makes it even better.
I think I shall adopt this fella calling, it's the perfect insult that can fly obliviously over someones head. This is genius!
As for Sheamus, yes he's improving. I didn't like him being champ after a mini-run in wwecw anymore than people like Batista as a person. But he has proven that he has the 'it' factor required to be a top tier draw in the company. And if anyone thinks he can't wrestle based on his WWE move set, you're probably some stupid kid who enjoys watching hours and hours of puroresu and any Jeff Hardy spot fest you can find. Too many "smart marks" think they know what good wrestling is, when in reality, they have no clue.