Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve place in Hall of Fame??

[Milkyway!]

I'm probably going to get a crap load of red rep for this one. While Shawn did carry the company back in '96, he did so at the lowest ratings WWE has ever had. While he was a technically sound wrestler and put on some good matches with Hart, i personally believe, Hart carried the matches, charisma, and made them 5 stars (if they even were 5 star matches.) When Shawn left the WWF, WWF finally started winning the Monday Night Wars. His amazingly huge ego, wouldnt allow anyone to go over on him. Thus not allowing anyone new into the Main Event picture, which bored people to death. Once he left, the stage was set, Austin, Hart, Rock took over, and BAM WWF/E wins the war a few years later, coincidence, I think not. When Shawn came back, he was FAR from his former self (wrestling ability wise) and has put on maybe one good match. (Wrestlemania 19 with Chris Jericho.) Shawn Micheals, deserves his spot in the hall of fame, about as much as I do in the WZ hall of fame (which is about 0 on a scale of 1-10.)

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[HBK-aholic]

This is the most ridicuolous thing I have ever read. Shawn Michaels is an icon, one of the most well-rounded wrestlers in the world. He has mic skills, he has in ring ability, he knows how to make the crowd care about him. His list of achievements alone makes his spot in the Hall of Fame a no brainer. To name a few, in the WWE alone, he's had the WWE championship and IC championship 3 times each, he's held the World Heavyweight Championship, he was the first ever Grand Slam champion. He's won 8 Match of the year awards. Do I really need to go on here? His achievements speak for themselves.

EDIT: And you absolutely have to be joking when you give all the credit for the Shawn/Hart matches to Bret Hart.

 

[agentmichaelscarn]

Even though alot of what you said is true(particularly the drawing part) I dont think that should keep him out of the hall of fame. He was still one of the top 3 or so guys in the company for about 5 years in the 90s and one of the top for 6 years so far this decade, he main evented 5 Wrestlemanias, he was the first grand slam winner and won the world championship 4 or 5 times I believe. I think those accomplishments alone should be good enough to get him in. He is also one of the biggest names in wrestling the past 2 decades anybody that has ever turned on a WWE show since 1990 knows who he is. His resume is far more impressive than majority of the Hall of Famers thats for sure.

 

[Milkyway!]

This is the most ridicuolous thing I have ever read. Shawn Michaels is an icon, one of the most well-rounded wrestlers in the world. He has mic skills, he has in ring ability, he knows how to make the crowd care about him. His list of achievements alone makes his spot in the Hall of Fame a no brainer. To name a few, in the WWE alone, he's had the WWE championship and IC championship 3 times each, he's held the World Heavyweight Championship, he was the first ever Grand Slam champion. He's won 8 Match of the year awards. Do I really need to go on here? His achievements speak for themselves.

While you are correct to an extinct his achievments are good, but look at when hes achieved them. When no one else around him, was doing anything, but being a fool. Once Hart came into the picture, HBK "lost his smile" and was deserving of nothing, at all. As I said, ratings speak for themselves...All HBK ever has been is an egomaniac, technically sound wrestler. His mic skills are good, but not great (hes no Hogan/Austin/Rock/HHH/Santino when it comes to the mic.) His Charisma is great, i give him that. Otherwise, ratings speak for themselves by all means neccaccary Becca. The question wasn't "is he a good wrestler/entertainer" hes is damn good at that. Its does he deserve to be in the hall of fame? Along side Ric Flair/Undertaker/Hulk Hogan/Bret Hart..by all means NO.

 

[Milkyway!]

Even though alot of what you said is true(particularly the drawing part) I dont think that should keep him out of the hall of fame. He was still one of the top 3 or so guys in the company for about 5 years in the 90s and one of the top for 6 years so far this decade, he main evented 5 Wrestlemanias, he was the first grand slam winner and won the world championship 4 or 5 times I believe. I think those accomplishments alone should be good enough to get him in. He is also one of the biggest names in wrestling the past 2 decades anybody that has ever turned on a WWE show since 1990 knows who he is. His resume is far more impressive than majority of the Hall of Famers thats for sure.

While I see what you are saying, for they did put guys like The Wild Samoans/Eddie Gurrerro/Curt Hennings in the hall of fame. I just don't think a guy like Shawn deserves in it. Most anyone that worked with him in the 90's hated him. Bret Hart TO THIS VERY DAY hates Shawn Micheals, maybe not so much his ring work, but his attitude. His Drawing abilities arnt that great by any means (as said above.) I just dont think he deserves the spot they are giving him, they are making it look like if he dosent get in, everyone around the world will riot, killing every wwe official in the world. When really, hes one of the most overrated superstars, the WWE has EVER had.

 

[HBK-aholic]

While you are correct to an extinct his achievments are good,

And are you therefore telling me you feel his achievements aren't good enough to warrant a place in the HOF?

but look at when hes achieved them. When no one else around him, was doing anything, but being a fool.

Are you honestly kidding me? Are you really trying to say his achievements aren't down to his talent and skill as a wrestler?

Once Hart came into the picture, HBK "lost his smile" and was deserving of nothing, at all.

Oh yeah, I guess Shawn should apologise for being injured and upset.

As I said, ratings speak for themselves...

If I hear the stupid ratings argument one more time I'll scream. Look at the time Shawn was champion. A time where the company has NEVER seen competition as good as it did in WCW. What is the competition now? TNA? Yeah, that's exactly the same.

All HBK ever has been is an egomaniac, technically sound wrestler. His mic skills are good, but not great (hes no Hogan/Austin/Rock/HHH/Santino when it comes to the mic.)

I have to disagree, he has very good mic skills, and a majority of fans agree with that. From his days with the Heartbreak Hotel, to his days in DX, his promos have been great.

His Charisma is great, i give him that. Otherwise, ratings speak for themselves by all means neccaccary Becca.

*Screams* It's completely naive to look at ratings alone and think that's the bottom of the story. You have to look at things in context here.

The question wasn't "is he a good wrestler/entertainer" hes is damn good at that.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Ig he's damn good at his job, why doesn't he deserve a post in the HOF? You're contradicting yourself.

Its does he deserve to be in the hall of fame? Along side Ric Flair/Undertaker/Hulk Hogan/Bret Hart..by all means NO.

And here you're trying to make it look as if the HOF is full of amazing wrestlers. Do me a favour, look at some of the people who have been inducted, then tell me Shawn doesn't deserve it.

 

[HBK-aholic]

While I see what you are saying, for they did put guys like The Wild Samoans/Eddie Gurrerro/Curt Hennings in the hall of fame.

So they deserve it but Shawn doesn't? With all due respect, the only reason Eddie got inducted was because he died!

I just don't think a guy like Shawn deserves in it. Most anyone that worked with him in the 90's hated him.

Funny, I didn't think the HOF was a popularity contest. And as I'm sure you'll see, many have changed their opinions.

Bret Hart TO THIS VERY DAY hates Shawn Micheals, maybe not so much his ring work, but his attitude.

And Shawn Michaels, TO THIS VERY DAY, hates Bret Hart. Which means Hart shouldn't be in it either, right?

When really, hes one of the most overrated superstars, the WWE has EVER had.

Is it his ability to make anyone look good or his great in ring skills that make him pverrated?

 

[Milkyway!]

And are you therefore telling me you feel his achievements aren't good enough to warrant a place in the HOF?

When it comes down to how he achieved them, and when he did it No, he does not.

Are you honestly kidding me? Are you really trying to say his achievements aren't down to his talent and skill as a wrestler?

Yup, because we ALL know that its all down to skill as a wrestler?

If I hear the stupid ratings argument one more time I'll scream. Look at the time Shawn was champion. A time where the company has NEVER seen competition as good as it did in WCW. What is the competition now? TNA? Yeah, that's exactly the same.

You prove my next point I was going to give you, When compared to other stars, Shawn, FLOPS. In my opinion, HBK is nothing more, than a glorified Upper mid-carder. With compitition, Shawn just cant hang at the top. Want examples?

1.) WcW When Shawn had the title, no one watched WWE during that time, eyes were glued upon the screen of WCW, which isnt looking good for Shawn.

2.) Shawn hasnt had a title run since 2002. Your probably going to put up the arguement "He dosent need a title run, its his time to put people over." Its HHH's time to put people over, hes doing a dang good job at staying on top tho, isnt he?

I have to disagree, he has very good mic skills, and a majority of fans agree with that. From his days with the Heartbreak Hotel, to his days in DX, his promos have been great.

DX days he was being carried, a crapload by the likes of HHH (If your talking about his most recent DX run that is.) Put him toe-to-toe with a guy like Chris Jericho, on the mic, he fails, profusely hands down.

*Screams* It's completely naive to look at ratings alone and think that's the bottom of the story. You have to look at things in context here.

Not true. Ratins = Money, Money = good for business. Shawn = No ratings, No ratings = No money, No money = Bad for business.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Ig he's damn good at his job, why doesn't he deserve a post in the HOF? You're contradicting yourself.

Because, not everyone thats good at their job deserves a spot in the HOF. My mother is one of the best teachers in Hamblen County, shes recieved teacher of the year, twice. But guess what, Shes not going to make it into the HOF. Going by what you just said, shes good at her job, and damn good at it, why no hall of fame?

And here you're trying to make it look as if the HOF is full of amazing wrestlers. Do me a favour, look at some of the people who have been inducted, then tell me Shawn doesn't deserve it.

Most of them are Dead, which made them tons of money, idk what it is, but dead people attract money. (example, Eddie Gurrerro/Curt Hennings) The others are mega stars, you shouldn't need examples for that. The others held a great hold on history, and kept a little something alive (examples, The Wild Samoans, the tag team division thrived upon the for YEARS)

 

[CDR]

This is crazy. Shawn Michaels is one of the best and most entertaining wrestlers of all time. He can make anybody look good in any match, he can wrestle as good as anybody, and his mic skills are pretty good too. Ever since he first started wrestling, even before the WWE, he was great. It's completely nuts to think he shouldn't be in the HOF. The company wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if it wasn't for him. It's absolutley crazy to think that he shouldn't be in the HOF, absolutley crazy.

 

[Milkyway!]

This is crazy. Shawn Michaels is one of the best and most entertaining wrestlers of all time. He can make anybody look good in any match, he can wrestle as good as anybody, and his mic skills are pretty good too. Ever since he first started wrestling, even before the WWE, he was great. It's completely nuts to think he shouldn't be in the HOF. The company wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if it wasn't for him. It's absolutley crazy to think that he shouldn't be in the HOF, absolutley crazy.

Examples? please? really? Sure he can put people over. But i remember this one time, Bobby Lashley debuted, he squashed a no name, and it made Lashley look GREAT. Isnt that the same? Does that guy deserve his spot in the hall of fame? REALLY?

 

[Miko]

Shawn Michaels isnt the greatest draw we've established that.

If the hall of fame was based purely on drawing power then I'd argue that the only people that should be eligible are Hogan, Austin and Rocky (debatable) because no one has drawn higher than any of these three men.

I am not the biggest HBK fan by any means but even I can appreciate how good he was, he never drew particularly well but neither does Chris Jericho and very few people argue his greatness. Shawn helped carry the company during a big slump and while Hart drew bigger numbers I would argue that he did so with the help of Shawn Michaels.

The WWF started winning the monday night wars before HBK left and after Hart left, it was a combination of Stone Cold Steve Austin and some complete wank booking by WCW. So while I think he is often overrated by the WWE machine I would also say there is no doubt that Shawn Michaels is a legit Hall Of Famer.

Not to mention he deserves in because of his in-ring acheivements.

 

[CDR]

Examples? please? really? Sure he can put people over. But i remember this one time, Bobby Lashley debuted, he squashed a no name, and it made Lashley look GREAT. Isnt that the same? Does that guy deserve his spot in the hall of fame? REALLY?

Exactly how long was Lashley there? 2 years tops maybe? Michaels has been there since the early 90's I believe, and has been making others look great and making himself look great in the process. Take really any match since he came back in 2002. He's made anybody look good, as well as being entertaining and a GREAT wrestler. And, really to be in the HOF all you have to have done in your career is make Vince money and be entertaining. Which he has been doing both for a long time.

 

[Milkyway!]

Shawn Michaels isnt the greatest draw we've established that.

If the hall of fame was based purely on drawing power then I'd argue that the only people that should be eligible are Hogan, Austin and Rocky (debatable) because no one has drawn higher than any of these three men.

I am not the biggest HBK fan by any means but even I can appreciate how good he was, he never drew particularly well but neither does Chris Jericho and very few people argue his greatness. Shawn helped carry the company during a big slump and while Hart drew bigger numbers I would argue that he did so with the help of Shawn Michaels.

The WWF started winning the monday night wars before HBK left and after Hart left, it was a combination of Stone Cold Steve Austin and some complete wank booking by WCW. So while I think he is often overrated by the WWE machine I would also say there is no doubt that Shawn Michaels is a legit Hall Of Famer.

Not to mention he deserves in because of his in-ring acheivements.

What has Shawn really done to deserve it? Hes held a few titles, so has JBL. Hes had a few memorable matches, so has Tommy Dreamer. He CAN'T draw money. Thats the most important thing when it comes to ANY BUSINESS, without money draw, he dosen't deserve in.

Hes got good in-ring ability, so does Cael Sanderson, by what you just said, Every Olympic Gold Medalist in wrestling, deserves in the WWE hall of fame. I mean, they are Olympic Gold Medalist in WRESTLING, so i guess they deserve it too, right?? (The obvious answer is no here.) They have never done anything for the company. What has Shawn Micheals ever done for the company?? Besides not draw money for them??

 

[Milkyway!]

Exactly how long was Lashley there? 2 years tops maybe? Michaels has been there since the early 90's I believe, and has been making others look great and making himself look great in the process. Take really any match since he came back in 2002. He's made anybody look good, as well as being entertaining and a GREAT wrestler. And, really to be in the HOF all you have to have done in your career is make Vince money and be entertaining. Which he has been doing both for a long time.

Shawn's never made money. Ever. Hands down.

Not true, he made Ric Flair look an old man at Wrestlemania, and put on one heck of a sucky show in the process.

OH! So now longivity gets in the HOF?? I guess Austin dosen't get in then by those standereds. I mean, he was only there what 8-9 years?? Thats not very long, at all, forget letting him in, i mean seriously, he only made WWF BILLIONS. Which Shawn has probly managed to make a million his entire 15-20year career? (Yes, thats an understatement becca, hes made a little more than that.)

 

[Miko]

What has Shawn really done to deserve it? Hes held a few titles, so has JBL.

JBL deserves a spot in the WWE Hall Of Fame as well, I am no hipocryte I'll apply my logic to everyone.

Hes had a few memorable matches, so has Tommy Dreamer.

Not in WWE, in fact he's never had a memorable match full stop, sorry but Dreamer sucks.

He CAN'T draw money. Thats the most important thing when it comes to ANY BUSINESS, without money draw, he dosen't deserve in.

Meh! Shawn was a flop champion what ya gonna do? He was never that far behind Bret Hart not really. No one denies Hart's place in the HOF.

Hes got good in-ring ability, so does Cael Sanderson, by what you just said, Every Olympic Gold Medalist in wrestling, deserves in the WWE hall of fame.

No silly, they've never done anything in the WWE.

I mean, they are Olympic Gold Medalist in WRESTLING, so i guess they deserve it too, right?? (The obvious answer is no here.)

Exactly the obvious answer is no, so why bring it up? None of them except Kurt Angle have ever done anything for WWE, making this argument irrelevant. Also Shawn draws more than all of them.

They have never done anything for the company. What has Shawn Micheals ever done for the company?? Besides not draw money for them??

I dont know he wrestled in the first ever ladder match, was the first ever grandslam champion, won a few World Titles.

Listen the HOF is an event to honour a wrestler's kayfabe achievements, not drawing power. In the world of kayfabe there are few better than Shawn Michaels.

 

[Milkyway!]

JBL deserves a spot in the WWE Hall Of Fame as well, I am no hipocryte I'll apply my logic to everyone.

lol, Fair enough.

Not in WWE, in fact he's never had a memorable match full stop, sorry but Dreamer sucks.

My point was, Dreamer has had his share of memorable ECW matches, so if shawn deserves it, so does Dreamer right?

Meh! Shawn was a flop champion what ya gonna do? He was never that far behind Bret Hart not really. No one denies Hart's place in the HOF.

Meh! Cm Punk was a flop Champion, he deserves his spot too right? I mean he wasnt THAT far from Jericho was he?

No silly, they've never done anything in the WWE.

Thats my point, exactly, HBK has never done anything for the WWE.

Exactly the obvious answer is no, so why bring it up? None of them except Kurt Angle have ever done anything for WWE, making this argument irrelevant. Also Shawn draws more than all of them.

Shawn draws, slim to none. Ratings prove that fact.

I dont know he wrestled in the first ever ladder match, was the first ever grandslam champion, won a few World Titles.

Listen the HOF is an event to honour a wrestler's kayfabe achievements, not drawing power. In the world of kayfabe there are few better than Shawn Michaels.

If your going to do something, at least make it worthwhile, even if it means nothing to WWE. They made it meaningful to the fans, so might as well be serious about it.

 

[MaskedKane]

I find it rediculous that ANYONE would deny HBK's achievements in the WWE. Maybe he might not be your favorite wrestler, but you MUST admit that he definitely deserves a hall of fame spot. I despise Randy Orton, yet I still admit that he has a great heel.

 

[Miko]

My point was, Dreamer has had his share of memorable ECW matches, so if shawn deserves it, so does Dreamer right?

Most of those were quite shit actually. Dreamer deserves to get into the Hall Of Fame about the same amount as Dean Malenko, which is not at all, neither guy has accomplished anything.

Meh! Cm Punk was a flop Champion, he deserves his spot too right? I mean he wasnt THAT far from Jericho was he?

Punk's reign drew more than Jericho's. Whether that be because of anarchy RAW or Punk being a better champion who knows. As far as HOF worthy, well I am no Punk fan but he could be there someday.

Thats my point, exactly, HBK has never done anything for the WWE.

Outside of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold no one has done anything for WWE. Not by your logic. Unfortunatly the WWE HOF doesnt work that way.

Shawn draws, slim to none. Ratings prove that fact.

Once again it's a shame the HOF wont see it like that. What they will see is HBK's kayfabe legacy which is great when he goes into the kayfabe HOF.

If your going to do something, at least make it worthwhile, even if it means nothing to WWE. They made it meaningful to the fans, so might as well be serious about it.

Using your theory The Undertaker doesnt deserve to be in the hall of fame, I mean in a business sense what has he ever done for the WWE? Get injured alot? People will come at me saying "THE STREAK, THE STREAK!!! THE WRESTLEMANIA STREAK!!!!!" In a kayfabe sense UT deserves a HOF spot as well, I doubt he'd get in by how much he drew.

Shawn Michaels is a popular wrestler who whilst not being the biggest draw ever has helped the company in other ways. He and Hart carried the company while they were having the shit kicked out of them by WCW, in fact I would say one couldnt have done it without the other.

 

[Milkyway!]

Most of those were quite shit actually. Dreamer deserves to get into the Hall Of Fame about the same amount as Dean Malenko, which is not at all, neither guy has accomplished anything.

YOU CATCH MY POINT!! EXACTLY! Same thing with HBK

Punk's reign drew more than Jericho's. Whether that be because of anarchy RAW or Punk being a better champion who knows. As far as HOF worthy, well I am no Punk fan but he could be there someday.

You uh, joking right?? Punk got the lowest ratings in a decade (lowest held by Shawn Micheals i might add) a 2.7 after the suprise was over. He flopped, hard.

Outside of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold no one has done anything for WWE. Not by your logic. Unfortunatly the WWE HOF doesnt work that way.

Lol....that made me laugh. It truly did. My logic is, Shawn has never made money for WWE. Hart made money. Eddie made money (after death anyways). Hennings made money (after death). Wild Samoans kept a dead divsion alive, and in the process, made money. People that make money, deserve to go into the HOF. Not anyone, because a lot of people have that charisma/wrestling skill/mic, yet just cant make money (via Chris Jericho/HBK)

Once again it's a shame the HOF wont see it like that. What they will see is HBK's kayfabe legacy which is great when he goes into the kayfabe HOF.

Putting the HOF in this standered, Shawn almost deserves to be there but once again your overlooking the fact that Shawn did his everything, while no one was around, his ego allowed no one to go over him, not to mention HE DIDNT DRAW MONEY when he did have the title! He dosent deserve to be in the HOF

Using your theory The Undertaker doesnt deserve to be in the hall of fame, I mean in a business sense what has he ever done for the WWE? Get injured alot? People will come at me saying "THE STREAK, THE STREAK!!! THE WRESTLEMANIA STREAK!!!!!" In a kayfabe sense UT deserves a HOF spot as well, I doubt he'd get in by how much he drew.

Shawn Michaels is a popular wrestler who whilst not being the biggest draw ever has helped the company in other ways. He and Hart carried the company while they were having the shit kicked out of them by WCW, in fact I would say one couldnt have done it without the other.

Well, other than the fact that hes been the face of smackdown pulling it to a 2.0+ whenever hes on it. Lol, Without Undertaker, Smackdown, would have been Pulverized into Oblivian 3 years ago, hands down.

 

[klunderbunker]

Ok, there's one major thing you're overlooking: The WWE Hall of Fame is the biggest joke in professional wrestling. There's a guy in it named Johnny Rodz. Know why he's in it? He was there for a long time. Never won anything, but was there for a long time. The Hall of Fame is for people on good terms with Vince, that's all. If Shawn is on good terms, he'll go in. The ratings mean shit, the buyrates mean shit. When it comes to this, if you're a big name that's won a few titles, you qualify. Shawn deserves to get in. If you can show me one good reason why he shouldn't, let me know. Until then, let it go.

 

[B-Star]

Ok, there's one major thing you're overlooking: The WWE Hall of Fame is the biggest joke in professional wrestling. There's a guy in it named Johnny Rodz. Know why he's in it? He was there for a long time. Never won anything, but was there for a long time. The Hall of Fame is for people on good terms with Vince, that's all. If Shawn is on good terms, he'll go in. The ratings mean shit, the buyrates mean shit. When it comes to this, if you're a big name that's won a few titles, you qualify. Shawn deserves to get in. If you can show me one good reason why he shouldn't, let me know. Until then, let it go.

Klunderblunker is exactly right, the Hall Of Fame consists of people who are good friends of Vince McMahon or the McMahon family. It does not matter about money generated, wrestling ability or anything else, just if your Vince McMahons pal.

Here are 5 people who are in the HOF, they all have a common denominator:

"Classy" Freddie Blassie
Gorrilla Monsoon
Chief Jay Strongbow
Mae Young
"Mean" Gene Okerlund

Two of those men have passed, and were still on WWE's pay roll right up until there death, so in turn, good friends of Vincent McMahon. Strongbow appeared on a WWE Broadcast not so long ago along with Mae Young and Okerlund hosts WWE Vintage Collection.

All good friends of the McMahons, all in the Hall Of Fame, so at the end of the day, sure Shaun might not generate alot of money, but in the end, that doesn't count, it is your a*se sucking ability to Vince McMahon that gets you into (whats suppose to be) The most prestigious award in Wrestling.

So like KB said, as long as Shaun Michaels is on McMahons side come that day he calls it quits and stays on his good side after that, Michaels will make it to the hall Of Fame, if soemthing drastic happens between them two, The Heart break Kid, won't be in it, pure and simple.

 

[Miko]

YOU CATCH MY POINT!! EXACTLY! Same thing with HBK

Not really, see your comparing a main-eventer with a jobber. When I say accomplishments I mean in the kayfabe sense, you know the kind of accomplishments that help you get into a kayfabe Hall Of Fame.

You uh, joking right?? Punk got the lowest ratings in a decade (lowest held by Shawn Micheals i might add) a 2.7 after the suprise was over. He flopped, hard.

Jericho kept the ratings at a constant, just under 3. Punk's surprise got a 3.4 or something like that. Sure it dropped to 2.7 then it went back up to 2.9, roughly the same as Jericho. It's hard times for wrestling and neither man is going to start a boom.

Lol....that made me laugh. It truly did. My logic is, Shawn has never made money for WWE. Hart made money. Eddie made money (after death anyways). Hennings made money (after death).

Dead wrestlers seem to make money, it's just the truth. Still if you still want to talk about money I doubt Heartbreak and Triumph was a disaster.

Wild Samoans kept a dead divsion alive, and in the process, made money.

*Reserves spot for Miz and Morrison*

People that make money, deserve to go into the HOF. Not anyone, because a lot of people have that charisma/wrestling skill/mic, yet just cant make money (via Chris Jericho/HBK)

So WWE should put The Samoan's in the HOF because they kept the tag division alive and leave out 2 of it's most prolific Main-Eventers? Dont you think fans would find that quite weird, I mean what title do you think they care more about?

Putting the HOF in this standered, Shawn almost deserves to be there

The Hall Of Fame IS in this standard, so Shawn Michaels DOES deserve to be there.

but once again your overlooking the fact that Shawn did his everything, while no one was around, his ego allowed no one to go over him, not to mention HE DIDNT DRAW MONEY when he did have the title! He dosent deserve to be in the HOF

Sure he was an arrogant prick, he should've dropped the title to Hart at WM. I am certainly not defending his personality.

In all fairness he held the title, he held it when he was up against the WCW at it's peak. I wont argue he was a poor drawing champion but considering what he was up against it would've taken a miracle to do much better. That miracle arrived, raised hell and then left.

Well, other than the fact that hes been the face of smackdown pulling it to a 2.0+ whenever hes on it. Lol, Without Undertaker, Smackdown, would have been Pulverized into Oblivian 3 years ago, hands down.

SmackDown pulls in 2.0+ all the time regardless, it was pulling in those ratings when Undertaker was only appearing once a month. In fact it was doing better.

 

[KillBill]

Ummm ok. Couple of things. Forget about being Vinces pal. There are guys like Hogan and Hart who hated Mcmahon. They both got in, and I'm not sure they are friends with Vinnie. Everyone talks about how WCW was kicking WWe's but with Shawn as Champ. And why is this? Oh maybe bacause of something called the NWO. They were the hottest thing going, and right around when Shawn retired, they had split into the 2 versions, making it not as good. Shawn never put anyone over? Everyone talks about how great Austin is, but it was HBK who put him over, elevating him. Even if that was the only guy hbk put over, which its not, that a lone would be good enough because Austin took off after that. HBK coming back is putting this debate to rest, hes a different guy whos a team player putting over guys like cena and jericho. This is rediculous, he needs to be there, since been wwe since 1988. Besides, anybody who can have the same theme music for 15 years, which should be a record, deserves to be there lol. Just kidding, but he is great.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

You've been beating the ratings argument to death. Since when does ratings = hall of fame? We all know that Mae Young, Gene Okurlund, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, The Briscoes, and Pat Patterson just scream rating. No. No they don't. Yet, all those that I mentioned are in the hall of fame. You can't make an argument for Shawn Freaking Michaels to be left out of the hall when those types of people are in. I'm not trying to say that some of them aren't greats, but Shawn Michaels is without a doubt more important than any of them.

And it isn't even really his fault that he didn't draw huge ratings as champion. WCW's product was kicking the shit out of WWF's at the time and people were watching them instead. Shawn Michaels kept the WWF afloat.

And he does make money for the company. His DVD was a top seller and he is always selling merchandise. How many DX things do you see in the crowd at every show? And Becca alone has probably bought thousands of dollars worth of HBK apparel.

Shawn Michaels deserves to be and will be a hall of famer someday. There's no argument against that.

 

[Harthan]

The WWE Hall of Fame holds Pete Rose within its ranks.

Pete Rose, guys. A baseball player. Who did nothing but look like a moron in the WWE, is a Hall of Famer.

Every single person who's ever stepped into a ring deserves the honor if Pete Rose is going to be in it.

But that's kind of a cop out, because it dodges the real point - is Shawn Michaels worthy of remembrance as among the best of all time? I believe the answer is yes.

Shawn didn't draw as champ. We can't hide from that fact, really. And that's why he is always going to sit behind Hogan and Hart, at the very least, in the line of best wrestlers. Certainly Flair surpasses him as well, and probably Savage while we're there. More than that, likely. But Shawn has also put on great matches, at least 3 that we can credit with being among the best of all time. There's no question that the ladder match with Razor was epic, the highlight of WrestleMania 10, and absolutely among the greatest matches of all time. The same goes for Iron Man with Hart, and to a lesser extent Hell in a Cell with 'Taker. I think Shawn contributed his equal share to all of them. He put the ladder match on the map, together with Hart made the Iron Man match, and although he can't claim to have put HIAC on the map, as that honor is truly 'Taker and Foley's, he certainly put on a hell of a match (no pun intended). The ladder match and the HIAC match are two of the best, if not the best, gimmick matches ever created, and Shawn can credit himself with, for all intents and purposes, making one and helping kick off the other. The Iron Man match hasn't achieved quite the prestige level as a gimmick match the others have, but the match with Hart alone is legendary. The majority of Shawn's matches when he was in his prime were entertaining as well, as is his mic work, so it's not as if he had 3 shining lights in a field of darkness, but I think certainly those 3 are the pinnacle of his career and push him to the top of the class.

So frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Shawn deserves his spot for those three matches. He's not as great as Hogan, or Hart, or Flair, Savage, Austin, or 'Taker, and probably a few others. He was a poor world champion, although I wonder whether a modern reign wouldn't go off much better, considering the legend he's been built into nowadays, but that's another discussion. But for potentially the greatest WrestleMania main event in history (vs Hart), one of the best WrestleMania matches of all time (vs Razor), and a top notch brawl with 'Taker, he should be listed probably in the bottom half of the top 10 best wrestlers in history.

But as for the stated purposes of the thread, I refer to the above Pete Rose, and would also like to nominate the Gobbledy Gooker for HOF.