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Seriously, The Miz? Why is this guy even employed, let alone showered with accolades?

Do you want The Miz in WWE?

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Considering most of the people in this thread disagree with the OP sort of proves how pointless this thread is. So you're not a fan, well that's interesting. Let's just start a thread and state a bunch of opinions as facts. The list of guys you admit to not being a fan of puts the Miz in pretty good company.
 
You're WAY off, miles off!

The Miz is a character which is actually pretty unique in the world of professional wrestling, a GENUINE heel. How many heels in WWE are actual heels, who get boo'd legitimately because they get under peoples skin? Not many.
His mic work is fantastic, his delivery is so cocky/arrogant that you really want to dislike him and see him knocked off his perch.
He's not the greatest in the ring, but he's still pretty good, and undertaken a dramatic improvement in recent years.

I'm stunned that the original poster feels he has no charisma, when he's probably one of the most charasmatic personalities in WWE.

Miz has worked so hard to be where he is today, and to be honest it's pretty shocking that he was able to defy the odds given where he was at the start. He had no respect, sloppy in the ring, messed his lines up on the mic and had such a goofy gimmick he was destined to never succeed.

He is very knowledgeable about the pro wrestling industry, and he's very up to date in his references and promo work. If you genuinly dislike The Miz, watch some of his sit down interviews on YouTube, he's half in character and half out of character, he's genuinly entertaining and funny in my opinion. I reccomend anything with him and Ziggler together, those pair work off each other like they've been tag partners for years.

Yes Miz is one of my favourites so I am a little biased, but having him around is great because WWE lacks actual heels right now people boo, and from a business standpoint, he's gold.
 
The fact that so many people HATE The Miz is proof of what a brilliant heel he is. The Miz is one of the most gifted wrestlers of his generation. He's gotten inside fans' heads like nobody has since Roddy Piper. The Miz is great in-ring and on the mic. Overall he's one of WWE's top talents today.

Oh he is not one of the top talents, he's a mid carder at best now.

Saying that, however, you have to give the Miz credit for being one of the most hated guys on the roster. No matter what this guy does, he just has a look about him that makes you want to give him a swift kick with a frozen boot.

He's a snuggest son of a bitch I've ever seen, and a natural born heel. His title run wasn't the greatest, and yea he should never be near the WWE title again. But if you want to get someone cheered Miz is the perfect person to put them in a feud with.
 
1) He looks like crap. He's small, pudgy, and plain unspectacular looking. Sure, that's fine if you have compensatory attributes, but Miz doesn't.

Miz's problem isn't with his build. This is an odd complaint considering the vast amount of love shown to the more recent additions to the roster that don't have the uber muscular physique (Bryan, Punk, Owens, Samoa Joe, etc) If he gets over with the audience and in the back, whether he's jacked should be the least of the issues here. His talent isn't exemplary but he's far from bad. He's developed into a solid worker over his time in the WWE.

2) His mic work blows. His delivery is forced and unconvincing, and the slow, condescending thing just makes him come off like a second-rate Chris Jericho. I cannot recall a single Miz promo I found to be compelling. He likes to talk, but that doesn't mean he's any good at it.

His mic work is the reason why most people hate him, which means he's doing his job. He's tried to tweak the character, but he's largely the same elitist heel he started out as years ago. Which means he's managed to stay relevant in his gimmick. not everyone, including a lot of fan favorites can say that.

He gets genuine heel heat and keeps it. He's been a heel for most of his run in the company. Most of the current top heels can't say the same.

3) He has no charisma. Fans are not drawn to this overbearing fool; there's generally no boo or cheer when he's around, just a sigh. Sure, fans shout along to "Awesome!", but they also sing Fandango's theme song. Opposite real greats like The Undertaker and John Cena, the guy has the star power of your average gas station attendant.

Once again, he's one of the few performers currently that has maintained a consistent heel persona that keeps the fans hating him. That actually requires a lot of charisma. His charisma is part of what kept Damien Sandow in their gimmick for as long as it lasted. You wanted to see him get his comeuppance. He was never likeable or identifiable to the audience. That's what a good heel does. And that has been consistent with him for most of his career.

4) He sucks in the ring. Aside from perhaps a good match with the spectacularly athletic John Morrison on the January 3, 2011 Raw, Miz has never had a memorable singles bout over his 11-year run. A premier botcher who almost killed R-Truth, he's one of the few guys I remember garnering a loud "You fucked up!" chant, against Barrett at WM29.

I will agree he's not the best in the ring, and I certainly agree with the failing to catch people when taking a top rope move, he's competent in the ring and more importantly not consistently botching every match. You've mentioned 2 examples over a long stretch of matches. A lot of legends in the business have botched a few matches.

So not the best in the ring, but certainly not the worst. I wouldn't even go so far to say I'm a Miz fan. His character annoys me, but it's meant to. It means he's doing his job. Saying someone isn't as charismatic, athletic or fluid in the ring as someone else doesn't make them horrible. Lots of legends were never ring technicians, they were generally really good at getting crowd reactions and keeping you in the match whether you liked or hated him.

Miz is an average performer that has more charisma than a lot of other talent, and can keep heat on himself. He's doing his job. He's not the best at it, but certainly not the worst.
 
I remember watching Miz against Chris Benoit when Miz was only with with the company for a short time and was actually surprised with how good he was. Not great, but not terrible.

I don't think any more or any less of the Miz, but he'll always be WWE's fallback like Kane and Big Show are. He's a company guy, does everything they ask of him and doesn't make waves. Plus they can throw him into any feud and get a strong crowd reaction.

He'll never be someone the WWE can build their company around, but he is one of the best ambassadors the company has outside the ring.

People who hate him will hate the fact that he is going to be around for a loooong time.

The only problem is he'll never be versatile enough to be a face. I can't see him pulling if off and getting the crowd behind him. He'll be a lifetime heel unless creative catches lightning in a bottle with a turn that actually works.
 
I just do not get it.

And you never will.

1) He looks like crap. He's small, pudgy, and plain unspectacular looking. Sure, that's fine if you have compensatory attributes, but Miz doesn't.
Daniel Bryan nuff said.

His mic work blows[/B]. His delivery is forced and unconvincing, and the slow, condescending thing just makes him come off like a second-rate Chris Jericho. I cannot recall a single Miz promo I found to be compelling. He likes to talk, but that doesn't mean he's any good at it.

So many wrestlers mic work is far worse, Ryback, Ziggler, Barrett, Lesnar, and the list goes on and on. Miz has decent mic skills, but his main point is publicity and that is what he is doing. He isn't about to be a champion again, he go their because of all the leg work he did with the fans back in the day, He has been hated and love by the fans, not is is just time for Miz TV a chance to push matches for crappy mic skilled players ...OOOOO LIKE RYBACK.


3) He has no charisma. Fans are not drawn to this overbearing fool; there's generally no boo or cheer when he's around, just a sigh. Sure, fans shout along to "Awesome!", but they also sing Fandango's theme song. Opposite real greats like The Undertaker and John Cena, the guy has the star power of your average gas station attendant.

This he shows how little brain power you have and how your lack of wrestling knowledge is just a shame, this almost made me ignore everything since you are so far from having a clue.
Right now yes the Miz get little to no reaction, This wasn't the case in his tag title runs or his world title run and interestingly enough HE ISN'T involved in anything really. Ryback beating two EX world champs is the point.
So why is your comment so Damn stupid. You compared the Miz and his Mid card spot to that of Legends like Cena and Undertaker. ( Call me when the Miz gets 5 title wins)


Now, this guy has headlined WrestleMania (IMO, the single worst headliner in history). He's won Money in the Bank. He is a former WWE Champion, four-time IC Champion, two-time US Champion, and six-time tag team champion. That's more than guys like Steamboat, Hennig, Davey or Jake ever did. Really, is the fact that he's willing to do every radio show on the planet to extol the virtues of WWE, enough to cast him as a major player? Beyond his brown-nosery, I cannot see anything that would compell WWE to keep this man on the payroll.

Am I way off, then?

Holy crap guy are you clueless, Again you are comparing apples to Steak and Eggs.
Back in the days of Henning, Steamboat, Davey boy etc titles were not defended weekly, but more like every month or even less. People didn't win a title at a PPV then drop it the next day, just to win it back the following week.
Miz is a healthy safe wrestler. Look at all the wrestler who have major surgeries and can't compete. This is why Miz gets those title, Don't think it is his rocking love handles or his mic skills it is because he hasn't had any major surgeries like Ziggler, Bryan, Cena, etc etc.
The miz gets the scraps because he has talent and is always promoting the WWE ALWAYS. Always at fan events, always quick to help out. When you are reliable you get rewarded and this is the Miz.

If you can't see why you want a wrestler who is so-so on your roster because he is never hurt and out for serious lengths of time, well then you my friend have no clue about business.
 
Okay, so I'm a hater, or a guy presenting his opinions as fact.

I guess I am pretty much a hater, because I hate the guy's performances. To say that he's a successful heel because of this thread is laughable, as I routinely flip the channel or take a piss break when he's on. Also, I fail to see how I'm presenting my opinions as fact, when nowhere did I say that my views on him where definitive. I invited others to challenge my opinion by responding, did I not?

41% of voters either don't want the guy in WWE or don't even care that he's born. Considering the barrage of juvenile insults directed my way, I reckon that I've hit a real nerve in some fans, who actually agree but are too stubborn to let their Miz love go (old habits die hard, and all). For that reason I consider the true percentage of people who see suckage in the Miz to be at least 50%. Don't be acting like I'm some asshole for not worshipping this turd.
 
Well 60% wants him in the wwe, so the majority doesn't agree with you. The Miz is entertaining and is one of the hardest working guys in the company. Heck, even Roman Reigns said he respects The Miz for having tough skin and taking the heat from fans.

Say or think what you will, doesn't change the fact the miz's life and career is nothing short than awesome.
 
Miz does the job that's given to him. When he's in relevant angles such as the mention tag title runs or his whc run he drew plenty of heat. When he's on get popcorn or go to the bathroom segments/matches no one cares.
He plays a decent heel. They can't all be great. He wrestles an ok safe match, stays free of injuries and does a lot off of tv to promote the E. There's plenty more things to complain about as opposed to the miz. If he had an extended title reign one of those times instead of the hot potato that went on he'd probably had been better off. He's ok at best. If people remember how bad he sucked when he started and compared that to now he grew and got better. Not main event material with the way they book him but he's ok. Adam rose,fandango, etc should be complained about more so than miz is and I don't like his character at all.
 
Well 60% wants him in the wwe, so the majority doesn't agree with you. The Miz is entertaining and is one of the hardest working guys in the company. Heck, even Roman Reigns said he respects The Miz for having tough skin and taking the heat from fans.

Say or think what you will, doesn't change the fact the miz's life and career is nothing short than awesome.

Wow, you created an account just to respond to this thread. Miz has some seriously ********* fanboys. Again, there's no reason to be hurt by a negative opinion about your hero, unless you partially or wholly consider it - deep in your soul - to be true. Jumping off a bandwagon you've been on for a long time can be difficult, but be a little introspective about this and you might find that you regard Miz as a horrible performer, after all. ;)
 
Wow, you created an account just to respond to this thread. Miz has some seriously ********* fanboys. Again, there's no reason to be hurt by a negative opinion about your hero, unless you partially or wholly consider it - deep in your soul - to be true. Jumping off a bandwagon you've been on for a long time can be difficult, but be a little introspective about this and you might find that you regard Miz as a horrible performer, after all. ;)

And there is no reason to find yourself offended that someone doesn't agree with you. What you presented as fact, is in fact your own personal opinion. It's hard to disagree with facts, because they are there for everyone to see, an opinion though is a completely different ball game.

Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean that everyone else has to follow along behind and not like them either. Personally I can't stand Wyatt and Sheamus, but that's me, and I'm not expecting everyone else to dislike them as well.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion on something, and if you want others to respect your's, then you have to respect their's as well. It's a just common courtesy.
 
Does the Miz piss you off? Do you hate him? If so he is doing his job.

Ill admit he isnt the best in the ring but he is generally safe and sound in his matches and really thats enough.

His charisma and mike skills is the reason he is where he is. He makes you hate and he makes you want to see him get the shit beaten out of him. He gets reactions. The Miz girl anyone? Even now that was one of the best reactions ever.

His willingness to promote and to defend the E at every chance will ensure him a job for life. As a previous poster said he will be in the promotions and media department as an ambassador.

And yes I know my image is a Miz shot but this is the first post ive made in 3 or so years.
 
I am a little confused as to why this has even started. The Miz has never really been liked by the IWC and his last face run was met with indifference by the masses. It's not like he's hogging the spotlight right now or anything. His return wasn't treated like a big deal and even his current storyline feels sort of unimportant- like WWE is just giving him something to do.

If someone complains about Kane or the Big Show, I understand as WWE tends to give both performers too much screen-time. But Miz has been out of the way since his Tag Team Championship reign. So why all the hate now?
 
I confess to mixed feelings. Many of the criticisms leveled above are correct....and some of the stuff can be handled by Miz himself, particularly in the area of improving his physique and making improvements to his ring routine.

Still, with all the hours of original programming the Creative people have to come up with every week, I think it's useful to have people and concepts that represent a change of pace to toss at the audience instead of the same old "Two people enter a ring and fight."

Yes, for the most part, that last concept is what we want, yet pro wrestling in the modern era has also been about storylines & pageantry, so what's the harm in having a guy that does it more with his mouth than his muscles? He can stir up plenty of trouble, and that's a staple of pro wrestling.

I was surprised at the couple of folks who said he doesn't speak well. Whether you like his schtick or not, he delivers it like a pro. I still remember when he was first hired as "host" of Smackdown. At that point, I didn't even know he was a wrestler.....yet WWE saw fit to use him in that capacity because he can bring it on the mic.

His ring repertoire? So-so.....and I was truly surprised when they installed him as world champion for a short go.....I identified with the 9-year-old girl who was caught by the camera with that priceless scowl on her face.

Still, I believe Miz belongs in WWE. He offers a change of pace....and that's always a good thing.
 
Okay, so I'm a hater, or a guy presenting his opinions as fact.

I've always despised the term hater, as it usually only gets used to justify other people's bad behavior. The second part of your statement is far closer to the truth, but you would be far from the only person who's done that online.

I guess I am pretty much a hater, because I hate the guy's performances. To say that he's a successful heel because of this thread is laughable, as I routinely flip the channel or take a piss break when he's on. Also, I fail to see how I'm presenting my opinions as fact, when nowhere did I say that my views on him where definitive. I invited others to challenge my opinion by responding, did I not?

You routinely flip the channel. Obviously not everyone does. Which means he's a more successful heel than you're giving him credit for.

Let's try a different approach.

When the whole Miz/ Mizdow thing was happening, people cheered for Mizdow because they wanted to see him succeed. But in order for that to happen he needed a foil to hold him back. The angle ran a bit too long I think, but ultimately the face Mizdow needed a heel Miz to make it work, and therefore help put him over.

I'll never argue he's the best heel ever, but to say that he's unsuccessful because you flip the channels when he's on is a massive oversimplification of what it means to be a successful heel.


41% of voters either don't want the guy in WWE or don't even care that he's born. Considering the barrage of juvenile insults directed my way, I reckon that I've hit a real nerve in some fans, who actually agree but are too stubborn to let their Miz love go (old habits die hard, and all). For that reason I consider the true percentage of people who see suckage in the Miz to be at least 50%. Don't be acting like I'm some asshole for not worshipping this turd.

Not every wrestling fan answered this poll, so it would be hard for me to accept it as 100% accurate. But even if it were it means 59% of the wrestling viewers have an opinion opposing yours. How does that prove your point?

As I never threw insults at you or spoke of being a Miz devotee I'll not bother responding to any of the statements regarding that. It's that sort of crass BS that led me to stop commenting here a while back.

But I do think think there have been credible criticisms that come from people that are far from Miz devotees. Saying he can do his job doesn't mean people love him. It simply means he can do his job. Hating him doesn't make that any less true.
 
honestly I think the miz is a incredible wrestler. he brings a style to the ring that not many others can preform as well as he does. even though he's jumped on the Hollywood train and is doing tons of movies, I still like the idea of him being him. hes a great heel in my opinion, and it wouldn't bother me one bit if I saw the IC title wrapped around his waist once again.
 

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