Scrap Hornswoggle!

MrsTlouis, you are the prime example of what is wrong with wrestling. Hogan sucks ass and always has. Sure he brought wrestling into the main stream, BUT the Attitude Era was the most successful period in wrestling history. It was produced the greatest matches in history. Stone Cold Steve Austin owns John Cena and Hogan in every conceivable way.

If it wasn't for people like me, wrestling would be DEAD right now. If it wasn't for people like me, WCW would have put WWE out of business, and with the people that ran WCW, it in it's self would have imploded. Then we would have been left without any wrestling program. This whole kid's crap nearly killed the WWE once, and if they aren't careful, TNA will rise up in the next 10 years and stick their foot up WWE's ass.
 
MrsTlouis, you are the prime example of what is wrong with wrestling. Hogan sucks ass and always has. Sure he brought wrestling into the main stream, BUT the Attitude Era was the most successful period in wrestling history. It was produced the greatest matches in history. Stone Cold Steve Austin owns John Cena and Hogan in every conceivable way.

If it wasn't for people like me, wrestling would be DEAD right now. If it wasn't for people like me, WCW would have put WWE out of business, and with the people that ran WCW, it in it's self would have imploded. Then we would have been left without any wrestling program. This whole kid's crap nearly killed the WWE once, and if they aren't careful, TNA will rise up in the next 10 years and stick their foot up WWE's ass.
excuse me but you are totally wrong . you are what is wrong with wrestling . in truth if was not for people like me wrestling would be DEAD right now not you . your type is whati s wrong with wrestling . you are kind is the one woh WWe can't count on at all. why do you think WWE does not cater to your spoiled ass kind because you have already proven you can't count on at all to stay loyal. if you don't get your way you act like a spoiled baby .I go to every WWE,TNA,ROH & WLW event & don't miss episode on tv ,unlike you . i am from old school 70's & 80's. i am old school wrestling fan not some snot nose ignorant punk like you that has no idea what real pro-wrestling is. hogan is one of the reasons their is WWe , stupid & without hogan their would have never been attitude era ever. there would be no austin if not for hogan. also i think it is funny that austin passed the torch to cena at the hall of fame. please attitude era is the reason we have some many crappy matches today . the attitude era is at fault for short crappy matches not hogan era .attitude era ruined wrestling .austin has even said that attitude ear sucked compared to 70's & 80's .hogan's era had better wrestling then attitude era . i am not big hogan fan but i am not hater either like you . your ignorance of wrestling is incrediable. tna will not will rise up in the next 10 years and stick their foot up WWE's ass because it is ran by the same screw up's as WCW & CWA.
the whole kid's crap did not nearly killed the WWE fans like you did.attitude was nothing but a big fad & nothing more compared to hogans era in the early 80's. hogan's era last longer then attitude. hogans era was real & attitude was fake. attittude era is why we has some may crappy wrestlers that can talk but can't wrestle at all. the greatest matches in wrestling history happenf rom the 30's to the late 70's not attitude era. attitude era is why we have some may spot monkeys wrestling. hornswaggle should be around because we had midgets in wrestling before their were spot monkey's & high flyers. lou thesz was better then any wrestler from today & attitude.how may main eventers from attutude who made thier name in attitude left around in WWE ? HHH is only name left . hbk & undertaker are from the same as era as hogan & better then anybody from attitude era & still around .attitude era is overrated . the kids have more rights then you do to wrestling ,selfish prick. leave hornswaggle alone because he is doing nothing wrong .mdgetsl ike him have been around for years before you were born .grow up & learn some respect because you have none at all.
 
You are just proving my point. Hell you can't even spell. Learn to spell before you try and argue with me. It's fact that the WWE was losing TONS of money in the 90s. People were sick of the kiddy crap. WWE couldn't even afford it's top talent anymore. They all then packed up their shit and went to WCW. Then WCW proceeded to kick WWEs ass in the ratings for like 80 something weeks in a row if not longer.

The WWE survived ONLY because of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. Hell people were throwing stones at Hogan in the 90s until he eventually turned heel. Now look at wrestling, nobody gives a damn anymore. WWE's ratings are in the crapper. The WWE is only able to stay alive with it's current format because WCW is dead and because TNA isn't a nationally based company.

If TNA ever starts booking arenas around the country and traveling from city to city, WWE will be in deep shit. Also, I don't know how anyone in their right mind can enjoy the current crap on WWE tv. What is so appealing about Batista? What has Batista done that makes him so interesting? Nothing. Nobody on Raw has any depth to them. The product is crap and unfortunately will be for the forseeable future. Oh yea, almost noone in the WWE in the 80s could wrestling. The only one I can think of right off the top of my head that could wrestle from that era is Roddy Piper. Hogan couldn't wrestle his dick out of a wet paper bag. The NWA and the AWA were the only companies in the 80s with guys that could actually wrestle. The WWE was just a big shits and giggles fireworks display so to speak. All smoke and mirrors. Hogan is the most overrated douchebag that ever stepped foot in a ring. Now I'm not doubting how he made wrestling mainstream. However that doesn't change the fact that he sucks.
 
I think goldust, hornswoggle, festus and maybe someone else or two, one who could work the mic should form a new group of sometype of oddballs, remember the oddities? This would be Like the oddities 2009 or the job squad. They should have a jobber/comedy type stable, infact they should have more stables than just legacy imho. They have nothing else to do with these wrestlers and are getting wasted so this might get over if done right I believe.
 
MrsTlouis, you are the prime example of what is wrong with wrestling. Hogan sucks ass and always has. Sure he brought wrestling into the main stream, BUT the Attitude Era was the most successful period in wrestling history. It was produced the greatest matches in history. Stone Cold Steve Austin owns John Cena and Hogan in every conceivable way.

Must suck to be the most successful guy in the history of the business over a period of time much longer then what Stone Cold ever dreamed of. Steve Austin was what you call, a flash in the pan compared to Hulk Hogan. Austin maybe a bigger name then John Cena, but in ten years time, it might be a different story.

The Attitude Era may have some decent matches, but there was a ton of shit that it brought to the table to. The fans that watched the attitude Era weren't wrestling fans, they were fans of Jerry Springer, and the WWE just happened to put that type of garbage on its programming. When that Era ended, exactly zero new stars were created, and the business was left in a funk, one in which it is still trying to recover from.

If it wasn't for people like me, wrestling would be DEAD right now. If it wasn't for people like me, WCW would have put WWE out of business, and with the people that ran WCW, it in it's self would have imploded. Then we would have been left without any wrestling program. This whole kid's crap nearly killed the WWE once, and if they aren't careful, TNA will rise up in the next 10 years and stick their foot up WWE's ass.

The kiddie crap is the reason why any of us are watching in the first place. The WWF is what it is because of what Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper did to gain attention to the WWF and the business in general. The crap of the mid 90's was simply Vince taking a formula that worked, and running it into a ground with over the top gimmicks that were too much for even kids to stomach without laughing at.

The WWE right now is far from kiddy TV. It's simply tuned down to try and sell itself to a broader audience. Do you realize how much money the WWE makes from merch sales? Do you realize that in ten years time, when all of the kids you chose to ignore now, don't grow up watching the business, end up growing up and take exactly zero interest in the sport, that the business is going to die. You have to grow your audience. The fans of the WWE in the 80's grew up with the Cartoon Era, and grew into the Attitude Era, and then they all grew up, had kids of their own, and guess what, the WWE is catering to them once again.
 
Must suck to be the most successful guy in the history of the business over a period of time much longer then what Stone Cold ever dreamed of. Steve Austin was what you call, a flash in the pan compared to Hulk Hogan. Austin maybe a bigger name then John Cena, but in ten years time, it might be a different story.

I don't see it. And I think this is one of those things, where as if the guy is being pushed to the moon now, and he isn't performing as good as the others while being on top now, nothing is going to change several years down the road.

I firmly believe that Cena is at his pinnacle right now, as we speak, and I really don't forsee anything changing that.



The Attitude Era may have some decent matches, but there was a ton of shit that it brought to the table to. The fans that watched the attitude Era weren't wrestling fans, they were fans of Jerry Springer, and the WWE just happened to put that type of garbage on its programming. When that Era ended, exactly zero new stars were created, and the business was left in a funk, one in which it is still trying to recover from.

Well, I suppose what is "garbage" is in the eyes of the beholder. I, for one, loved a lot of that stuff, but it wasn't like I just started watching it during the Attitude Era. I watched wrestling since the Hogan Era ... 1990 to be exact. So, I enjoyed the Hogan Era AND I enjoyed the Attitude Era.

That is why, I suppose, what I would like to see is a hybrid, with elements of both of those Eras interjected into today's programming. I have given my views of how I feel that would be effectively accomplished many times, so I won't go into them again.

Now, I do think the Attitude Era could have went on longer. But the problem was that WWE was not prepared with another major star to take over for Rock or Austin once they moved on. So that, in my view, ended the Attitude Era.


The kiddie crap is the reason why any of us are watching in the first place. The WWF is what it is because of what Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper did to gain attention to the WWF and the business in general. The crap of the mid 90's was simply Vince taking a formula that worked, and running it into a ground with over the top gimmicks that were too much for even kids to stomach without laughing at.

The New Generation definitely wasn't one of my favorite Eras, I give you that. The gimmicks were way overboard, even though he did produce some nice ones like Goldust and Waylon Mercy during this time frame.


The WWE right now is far from kiddy TV.

As someone who doesn't like basically anything about this Era, I do agree with you in this sense, in that I don't believe that the WWE of today is a Kiddie product. Like I went on in other threads, what I see Vince doing is trying more so to make his product look more so as if it is a real sport. That way, he tries to keep the adults happy, but at the same time, he keeps the material suitable for kids. Basically, it's like a father indoctrinating his son into the NFL at a young age.

When you think about it, other than Hornswoggle, there really isn't that many kiddie gimmicks on the roster, at all. Cena's character, though, is obviously designed to be a role model for kids, however.


It's simply tuned down to try and sell itself to a broader audience. Do you realize how much money the WWE makes from merch sales?

WWE is making money through inflating its prices. No doubt about it. One has to wonder, though, if the revenue would be as high for WWE if the prices reflected the same prices as the Attitude Era, though. I think there is a difference in making money, and being popular. I don't think the two are necessarily the same.

I think WWE is "popular enough" to still make money, by taking advantage of its base of fans and charging more money, to make up for the amount of fans that they have lost over the years. And that is why they are successful. But hey, in business, it's whatever works to be profitable, I suppose. That's the name of the game.


Do you realize that in ten years time, when all of the kids you chose to ignore now, don't grow up watching the business, end up growing up and take exactly zero interest in the sport, that the business is going to die.

You have to grow your audience.

I agree. I just think there is more than one way to grow your audience, without alienating your existing audience ... and making both happy.

I think it all comes down to Vince trying to tell his adults that they should be liking the same thing that kids should like, and Vince telling kids that they should be liking the same things that adults like.

Some fans will buy into the philosophy and like it. Others won't like it, but will still put up with it since they refuse to give up wrestling. And other's won't like it at all, and move on.


The fans of the WWE in the 80's grew up with the Cartoon Era, and grew into the Attitude Era, and then they all grew up, had kids of their own, and guess what, the WWE is catering to them once again.

I can't necessarily agree.

I would say that the WWE of the Hogan Era did cater to kids.

The New Generation catered to kids.

The Attitude Era catered to older teens and adults.

In the PG Era, I don't see kids being catered to, like we talked about. Vince is basically not targeting any specific age group in this Era. He's basically trying to be a politician ... and trying to "be everything to everyone". At least, that is what it looks like on TV. And the thing is, that I don't really see him trying to aggressively go out and attract new fans to the product, since he isn't really targeting anyone. So, in that respect, I have to ask, "Is the strategy of physically going out and attempting to attract new fans, working?"

Again, I just think there is a right way and a wrong way as far as the strategy goes. One way which will retain more fans, and attract more fans ... as opposed to another way.
 

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