Samoa Joe on Umaga an other tidbits.

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thanks to blog.myspace.com/joeism

Q. Dear Joe what do you think about Umaga? Is he a ripoff of you?

A. I think Umaga is a strong Hamo in the struggle and I hope he wrecks everyone over there. Ahh not the answer you where expecting? Honestly I am more than happy for the success Umaga is enjoying in the WWE. By the way what is with people saying he is a rip off of me? Honestly thats like comparing Bad News Allen to Samba Simba. GET that lazy ass comparison bullsh!% out of here. As for him being undefeated good on him. I don't know if yall noticed but in Pro Wrestling Circles Samoans are usually on average MUCH better that .500 .

Q. What do you think of Olympic Gold Medalist and multiple time World Champion Kurt Angle?

A. F$%^ Him..... Problem?

Q. Joe you proudly rep Huntington Beach CA?

A. Til the day I die.

Q. Joe will you join my group?

A. No

So whats up D Town yall ready to see some violence.. I'm on my way.

Tenderly I remain

S. Joe

 

[PauLwaLL]

Notice how the people who call Umaga a rip off of Joe are TNA Marks? The guy himself is happy about Umaga getting pushed.. See the thing is, these "rip-offs" are used all the time.. I can go on saying Eric Young is a better rip off of Eugene, or Austin Starr is a rip off of Classic HBK, or even as far as saying Abyss is like the old Mankind.. But I choose not to.. I rather see each wrestler as themselves.. But some people are just to naive to see that.

 

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I'd Call Star Randy Savage, Superstar Graham or Jesse Ventura but not HBK at all.

 

[PauLwaLL]

I'd Call Star Randy Savage, Superstar Graham or Jesse Ventura but not HBK at all.

Well, imo its a mix of all them.. Dont know where you got Savage from tho? When I saw his debut, the first thing that came to mind was Classic HBK.. And then after awhile I saw Jesse and Graham..

But to the topic.. Samoa Joe is right.. More then 50% of Samoans succeed.. The only ones I can think of that didnt really make it to the top are Rikiski? Thats about it.. From reading that I also liked how Joe basically said fuck everyone who said Umaga is a copy.. Thats exactly how I feel.. Umaga is to an extent like Joe, but the whole character/gimmick is completly different.. Different wrestling styles etc.

 

[iamwrestling]

Notice how the people who call Umaga a rip off of Joe are TNA Marks? The guy himself is happy about Umaga getting pushed.. See the thing is, these "rip-offs" are used all the time.. I can go on saying Eric Young is a better rip off of Eugene, or Austin Starr is a rip off of Classic HBK, or even as far as saying Abyss is like the old Mankind.. But I choose not to.. I rather see each wrestler as themselves.. But some people are just to naive to see that.

Actually, if you were going to say that Austin Starr is a rip off of anyone, I would say that it's Jesse "The Body" Ventura with a mixture of Shawn Michaels thrown in. That's just my opinion. But, I agree with you, "ripoffs" happen all the time. The reason the same characters are being used in different wrestling is because they work! If they work, then why not use them?

 

[Code Red]

I really don't understand the Umaga push for the life of me. He's not that impressive of a wrestler, and I think he is getting pushed because WWE wants their own Samoa Joe.

He gets very little in the way of crowd reaction, has no mic skills, and has a very limited move set. And they still have him beating up losers like Hacksaw Jim Duggan every week. Chalk Umaga's push up to Vinnie Mac's love for big guys. He shoves them down out throats on every one of his shows.

 

[PauLwaLL]

He gets very little in the way of crowd reaction, has no mic skills, and has a very limited move set.

Ok well if those are the reasons why he "sucks" how is he supposed to be a SAmoa Joe rip off, when Samoa Joe is said to be this amazing wrestler? Doesnt make sence...


Your first comment saying Umaga doesnt get a crowd reaction at all.. Dont know about that one.. My guess would be is he hasnt really done anything to classify himself as a superior heel like Edge and Orton have.. Umaga's biggest fued so far has been against Kane.. And he did get nice boo's during that fued.. Especially during the match at the Raw Family Reunion..

has no mic skills

That has to be the worste reason ever.. Has the guy ever tried talking on the mic? Nope.. His character is basically a Wild Samoan.. Mic skills.. Thats what Armandos for.. You cant say he doesnt have mic skills when he hasnt even spoken as Umaga.. But when he was Jamal.. Him and Rosie cut a pretty good promo, and then they split up.. But I know they cut 1 good promo.. And it was there only promo.

and has a very limited move set

Very limited? Definatly not... Limited maybe, but not very.. Ever since his debut.. I seriously have seen him do about 50 different moves or different variations of moves.. To name a few - Spinning Rack Pancake, Complete Shot, Big Splash, Head-Butt, Flapjack, Super Samoan Drop, Samoan, Belly to Belly Suplex.. I can name more, just dont feel the need too, cause you should see my point..

Umaga isnt a bad wrestler what so ever.. Yeah Joes 10x better.. But Umaga isnt bad either.. The reason for all this Umaga hating is just for the simple fact everyone see's him as a Samoa Joe impersonator, when it really isnt true.. Like I said above.. If some people werent so naive and were able to see that.. You would give the guy a chance by watching him as Umaga not a "Samoa Joe Rip Off'

 

[Kasey]

I'd Call Star Randy Savage, Superstar Graham or Jesse Ventura but not HBK at all.

I'll agree with you in that he looks like a combination of the three, but his mannerisms have changed to make him look and feel a lot like old Randy Savage. He definitely channels the spirit of the Macho Man into the X-division.

 

[Code Red]

Ok well if those are the reasons why he "sucks" how is he supposed to be a SAmoa Joe rip off, when Samoa Joe is said to be this amazing wrestler? Doesnt make sence...


Your first comment saying Umaga doesnt get a crowd reaction at all.. Dont know about that one.. My guess would be is he hasnt really done anything to classify himself as a superior heel like Edge and Orton have.. Umaga's biggest fued so far has been against Kane.. And he did get nice boo's during that fued.. Especially during the match at the Raw Family Reunion..



That has to be the worste reason ever.. Has the guy ever tried talking on the mic? Nope.. His character is basically a Wild Samoan.. Mic skills.. Thats what Armandos for.. You cant say he doesnt have mic skills when he hasnt even spoken as Umaga.. But when he was Jamal.. Him and Rosie cut a pretty good promo, and then they split up.. But I know they cut 1 good promo.. And it was there only promo.



Very limited? Definatly not... Limited maybe, but not very.. Ever since his debut.. I seriously have seen him do about 50 different moves or different variations of moves.. To name a few - Spinning Rack Pancake, Complete Shot, Big Splash, Head-Butt, Flapjack, Super Samoan Drop, Samoan, Belly to Belly Suplex.. I can name more, just dont feel the need too, cause you should see my point..

Umaga isnt a bad wrestler what so ever.. Yeah Joes 10x better.. But Umaga isnt bad either.. The reason for all this Umaga hating is just for the simple fact everyone see's him as a Samoa Joe impersonator, when it really isnt true.. Like I said above.. If some people werent so naive and were able to see that.. You would give the guy a chance by watching him as Umaga not a "Samoa Joe Rip Off'

Points taken. I don't think of Umaga as a Samoa Joe rip-off per se, but WWE did copy TNA by coming up with a seemingly indestructable undefeated Samoan. Yes, there are difference, but you can't overlook the similarities - Umaga was even called the "Samoan Wrecking Machine" at one time. WWE also ripped off the "highly coveted free agent" gimmick used by Montel Vontavious Porter from TNA and Bobby Roode.

For a wrestler that doesn't get that much of a crowd reaction (Edge, Randy Orton and Johnny Nitro all draw far more heat from the crowd), Umaga is getting a ridiculously huge push. His biggest downfall is that, much like The Great Khali, all he can do for heat is beat someone down mercilessly. Also, much like Khali, he has made short work out of almost all his opponents, so we don't even know if he's capable of putting on a good 15 minute match at a PPV. I have not seen an undefeated streak last this long in the WWE since Tatanka's about 12 or so years ago. So he's got some good high impact moves like the ones you mentioned and the running knee in the corner, but his finisher does suck - a damn thumb to the throat, whoopee. Unless he can show off some real athleticism (how about a moonsault, a dropkick or a spin kick?), then he will just be another McMahon-endorsed overrated big guy in my book.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Umaga's manager, Annoying-o Little-o Bastard-o or what the hell ever, is the worst manager of all-time, he doesn't piss you off for the right reasons. I'd like to smash his iffeminate head in with a baseball bat. As for Umaga, he's a clear copy of that brown thing I left in the toilet the other day. His finishing move is worse than the Hogan leg drop for Christ's sake, he pokes people in the throat! WWE decides to promote losers like him and Cena over people with actual talent like Shelton Benjamin. But still, if Umaga is the alternative to having Cena as champ, bring on that self-righteous army wigger!

 

[PauLwaLL]

WWE also ripped off the "highly coveted free agent" gimmick used by Montel Vontavious Porter from TNA and Bobby Roode

Actually MVP's whole "Free Agent" thing was out before Roodes.. So if anyone copied anyone its TNA right there.. Tho Roode lived up to the hype, unlike MVP...

Also, much like Khali, he has made short work out of almost all his opponents, so we don't even know if he's capable of putting on a good 15 minute match at a PPV.

From what I saw.. Umaga only had 4 good matches.. 2 Against HBK.. One HBK won via DQ, and the other Umaga won.. But good matches, both were about 10-15 mins long.. 1 against Triple H, which wasnt as good as the HBK one, but we saw somethings out of Umaga we wouldnt expect to see.. And one against Cena.. And he actually made Cena look good.. His matches with Kane werent bad... But Monster vs Monster match are ALMOST never good.. There are a few exceptions, but thats another topic..

but his finisher does suck - a damn thumb to the throat, whoopee

If the "Samoan Spike" is done right.. You can poke through the Larynx or w/e its called.. Im not saying its real or w/e, but they try to make it seem that way..

Unless he can show off some real athleticism (how about a moonsault, a dropkick or a spin kick?),

He can do a spin kick.. He always does it.. But since when has wrestling been all about Athleticism and things of that nature? Some of the great Wrestlers ever werent athletic.. For example, look at Flair.. Yeah he was a great in ring technician, but sure as hell was never athletic.. But as for Umaga... Hes probably the most athletic bigger set wrestler in the WWE... Thats not saying much tho..

 

[Code Red]

PauLwaLL: I'll take your word on the things that I have yet to see. But at this stage, with Umaga being on television for roughly 7 or so months now, the squash matches have to stop. Quit putting him against the likes of Duggan, Eugene, & Snitsky (all of whom are "jobbers to the stars") and give him some real competition. I'll accept it if he wins, but I sure hope they don't have him squash face wrestlers that are higher in the card, like Carlito for instance.

Umaga's greatest failing is perhaps this: In the realm of sports entertainment, Umaga fails to entertain. Granted, there's only so much that a wild Samoan can do to entertain a crowd. But is Umaga really worthy of the massive push he's received, and rumored to being moved to main event status in the very near future, possibly competing for the WWE or World Heavyweight Championship? As far as I'm concerned, he still has a long way to go. Even though he holds victories over Triple H and John Cena (and, most likely, whoever he faces at Cyber Sunday), it seems as though 9 out of 10 times he's wrestling some nobody. If he does wind up receiving a main event run, I hope by that point he has faced more legitimate competitors on a weekly basis, and that he has been defeated at least once by this point - the undefeated streak is a little absurd. Look at guys like The Undertaker, The Big Show, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Kane, etc. If I recall, none of them had an undefeated streak that even comes close to the one that Umaga has had (well, maybe Taker did, but those were different times, and he didn't completely squash everybody).

Right now, I still see Umaga as someone with unfulfilled potential. If he can't face stiff competition every week like other high-ranking Superstars, then he is unworthy of his position on Raw. If they do deem him worthy of #1 Contender status, hopefully WWE will do the right thing by building him up in higher card matches as well as tag team matches for a few months prior to the push.

 

[PauLwaLL]

But is Umaga really worthy of the massive push he's received, and rumored to being moved to main event status in the very near future, possibly competing for the WWE or World Heavyweight Championship?

No, I dont think he does.. I dont even think he should of defeated the likes of Kane, HBK, nor HHH.. But thats the WWE's way of pushing the "Monster" character.. See, I dont think Umaga is going to get a title shot for a little while yet, but I do see him winning the Royal Rumble..

it seems as though 9 out of 10 times he's wrestling some nobody

Thats true.. But you cant say his matches with top stars werent impressive.. But as for him facing jobbers, you cant really expect the WWE to be dumb enough to go and ruin a lot of there other wrestlers reputations.. For example.. Lets say Umaga had a fued with Carlito, and defeated.. We would all see Carlito in a different way.. He mite even start jobbing again.. Thats why there putting him against jobbers.. Tho I am getting sick of him going against the likes of Duggan and Eugene, but there going the right way with this imo.. For years now, everytime any wrestling company tried pushing someone over as an "Undefeated", they made them take on Jobber.. Examples - Goldberg, Joe, Tatanka.. Cant think of any other one now, but you get the idea..

the undefeated streak is a little absurd. Look at guys like The Undertaker, The Big Show, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Kane, etc.

The reason for this is simple.. They really didnt try to push any of them as Undefeated superstars.. Well yeah, they did.. But not like Umaga.. I see Umagas streak being similiar to Goldbergs, where sooner or later there going to start counting how many matches are in his win/loss column.. All the people you named were undefeated for awhile, but it was a completly different scenario then Umagas... Ill emphasize more if you dont understand what I'm saying..