RP Feedback Thread

[Showtime]

Garth Black
Solid RP. I wasn't sure what you were getting at at first, but then when I saw you conect it with Blade I thought it was brilliant. Way to take what could've been just a throw away match, and turn it into something that could potentially lead to a feud. Remember everyone, we are always looking for ideas for storylines and feuds. And then you did yourself one better by connecting it with yourself and SC. You realize you don't want to be like Blade, you want to hunt and earn everything you take, really makes your character stand out now that he's single. It's interesting how you still refer to SC and that it will continue. Is this u saying you'll become the second coming, we don't know but you leave us interested. You talk a bit about your oppopent, maybe more could've been said, but you are taking the face side to this, so you don't have to be bitter of jealous. You could've easily jumped on him for losing to Crashin, your opponent, but you chose not to. Very solid writing and you did a nice job talking about everything going on with Garth and your partner. Excellent RP.


Crashin
I'm not going to be kind, this is one of the worst RP's I've ever seen. Even Deadman'snumba1fan had something going for it, lol, not really. I've told you before about talking about peoples profiles. You're laughing about his height and weight??? Where he is from??? Your not even giving reasons why that's funny, or how you will take advantage of it, or shit any reason at all why your talking about it. What's a luchador??? What did your wrestler just come off the street? Your character claims to be some sort of wrestling god? You don't even give reasons why high flying is the worst technique, just cause you say it doesn't mean it's true it means shit in your RP. Not unless you have something to back your claims would it ever matter. Your whole RP was a waste of our time, not yours. See Crashin this is one of the things you are worst at. You give nothing to back anything your character says. He just speaks out his ass, most of the time not even about wrestling, your opponents, or your match, and just wastes everyones time. You claimed coming in to be this hot shot RP'er, but I haven't seen any reason why you would win a match unless a no-show happened. You say you come from a league where you RP 5 times and counter back and forth. You've shown zero countering skills. You don't speak about previous matches, moments where wrestlers looked weak or injured, contradictions they say in there RP's, or something you could point out as an obvious weakness compared to you. All I can tell you is just saying shit doesn't make it true. You have to give reasons why, make points, and actually act like a legitimate wrestler cause this rich boy persona who laughs at the most trival and pointless things about his opponents should be flushed straight down the toliet in Trainspotting.

 

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Beckford: I really thought you are nailing the vulnerable face style. If you can work on showing a bit more to the character, then you will really push on. But I enjoyed it.

Reidar: LOVED IT. Stunning development in the feud with Burna and I hope to see that develop into one of those feuds which will not see violence until the first match, just out of respect if nothing else.

Would have liked a little more focus on Payne but I can understand why you didn't.

Showtime: While I had to read it twice to believe what I was reading, I really enjoyed the surprise development that you used. The length and formatting were great and again, it's another great RP.

 

[Showtime]

Chris Beckford
Terrific RP Leeds. You don't know how good the opener is. It really sets the tone that what happened has led to a serious situation. You play the wounded fighter well. Intriguing is you feel embarrassed about what has happened before being angry at Reynolds. It really shows your a lot in your character and adds so much to him. You sum up what has happened and then did a good job venting your angry towards your opponent. I will agree with Numbers, I felt it ended light, but I could still feel the effects with me from before you talked about Karnage when I finished. Well done.

Reynolds
Awesome dialogue work. And the descriptions fit in at the right times. I thought you nailed Bateman dead on, albeit a little too biased in Reynolds, almost prattling on like a school girl, lol. The interview segment was also well told. It's been said before, it really reminds me of my early work, except spaced out more so it's a much better read (The big paragraphs will NEVER leave) lol. The character's really good, keep up the good writing.


Hammond
Solid work. You talked enough about everything that's transpired and the match and your opponents. You got a good mean heel thing going. There seems to be a ton of english wrestlers who so I understand you all can easily talk beef with each, very good jobs. Very good writing, the remarks about your opponents were good, but I felt they were at times meshed together and could've been improved with better spacing and placement. Don't be afraid to break text with a descriptive bit. Good writing, your character's beginning to roll.


CardiffCam
I'd laugh my ass off if I wasn't on creative. I will say way to take the shit of real life and use it as material for your RP, but try not to make a habit of it, umKay, lol. Loved the RP man. You got an aggressive behaviour that suits your character, but I just wouldn't imagine Leon bumbling. He is a professional and in the face of Lars and Ty, 160 lb you isn't trembling. Excellent build to the said 'shot' then you talk about your opponents. Bit of a rant, especially with Hammond, but the good thing about it is you made it very personal. It's patriotic and makes you looked as determined to fight. Nice quick ending to take the anger and focus it on something. Great RP.


John Smith
Gonna be honest, not a fan of the new direction. Really depressing and gives us a bad idea about your attitude. Hopefully it's just your character cause for what you had the writing was sound. You have good structure with your RP's. You paint a good picture to start and feed us dialogue that fits with it. The comments about your opponents were well but could've easily been made better with more. Anyway, I hope this isn't you giving up hope and just a temp direction your character is going cause the writing is good and you can develop this into easily something that Karnage is now. Give it time. Good work.

 

[Super Crazy]

Ty Burna - Okay I know I say this all the time. But man, your RPs always flow extremely well. Every element you use works well with the others. The song choice was perfect. I like this build up for a feud between you and Lars, I've very intrigued to see the two dark creatures of WZCW feud.

Phoenix - Nice to see you back this week. This was a good RP. It helps set up a feud between you and Garth, and at the same time, makes mention of your opponent. You can tell your main focus is Garth though, and hopefully that doesn't cost you the win.

Baller- Nice RP from you. I like how you call out Teach and Kurtesy and then shift focus to Heavy Artillery. I like how you've toned down your cockiness to go with your face turn. Also , I like the interesting comparison of the championships to Hollywood. Keep up the good work.

Kurtesy - I just wanted to say that I like how you are turning your finishing manuever's name into a catchphrase of sorts. Good RP from you as usual, shame your partner is done now though, as I was hoping to give you two a rematch.

Titus - Good use of USA's background with the military. I like how this RP panned out. Even if you had not said a few days back that Other Army Guy was NorCal, I would have figured it out, as I'm sure a many of us would have, and literally laughed at his involvement. Good work as always.

Blade - This isn't really something I was expecting from you. I just expecting a basic arrogant cocky heel promo sort of deal. Instead, you did something no one has yet to do, and that's point out just how different Heavy Artillery is.

 

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Blade: Tremendous character development. I really enjoyed this because there is now more depth to the character and you have given us an insight to him and his thought processes. Really good stuff.

 

[The Doctor]

Blade:
Definitely in agreement with Numbers about the character development. I had fun reading this RP, and the columns bit gave me a smile. My only real complaint was that the ending was extremely abrupt. There wasn't anything to really end the interview, no leaving or Becky wrapping things up, and it really felt like you had just forgotten the ending.

Good RP, though, despite that.

 

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Kurtesy: No real problems with the words of the promo itself, but I would say that you need to get some description in there because all the dialogue is unrealistic and overwhelming too, especially at the end with the four paragraphs in a row..

Your description is SO good at the beginning so why not spread it between the paragraphs too. The interaction of the two characters will not be limited to just talking at each other.

 

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Reidar: I love how you not only know your character so well but also Ty's, enough to handle it just as Ty would. I'm sure you two are working together but still it's impressive. The humour and intensity balances it out so well, enough to make me question whether you two are still heels or not.

I'm sure this will lead to somewhere awesome though.

 

[Blade]

Numbers: Yeah, it was ok. Seemed a little bit heel-generic-promo to me. You did get personal, talking about Dave's partner and such, which was cool. But overall, I'm a little disappointed. The indignation against Bateman is nothing new, but it does add a nice little twist to the RP. But apart from those points, it seemed a little same old, same old.

C-

Doc: Ok, I just did not get this. Like, at all. This was some kind of artsy movie scene or something? No idea what was going on. I thought you're supposed to have a shock rocker gimmick? Maybe it's just me, but that RP did not fit that gimmick at all. A shock rocker wouldn't know artistic if it slapped them in the face. They're also supposed to be shallow and have excessive lifestyles. They're not supposed to create Charlie Kaufman movies.

Unless perhaps, that whole RP was an acid trip. Otherwise, it just didn't work for me at all.

D-

 

[Baller]

Doc - Personally, I don't get this move at all. It was cool, but the idea definitely failed, as I didn't think it got anything across. I agree with Blade 100%, and it may have cost you guys the match, and that is obviously to be determined.

SC - Now this was a solid RP. I liked the idea of going to the gallery and comparing your team to a painting. Overall it was a good solid interview, nothing special about it, but not bad.

Heavy Artillery - You guys are a tag team, and both of your RPs were solo RPs, personally I think you both should be in each RP, but that is your call, and I don't know what creative thinks, so I can't tell you whether they like it or not, but in the future I would have both their for the interview, considering it is a tag match.

 

[Ty Burna]

Jordan Lights - This is to make up for last round of matches as I didn't get a chance to give you feedback. I understand the analogy you were trying to make, albeit simple I think it works alright considering the setting of your RP. One thing I will mention, and I am guilty of this as well, is repeating certain lines in your RP. You used "You see Becky" as your starting line for your response. I'm nitpicking here obviously, so don't take anything seriously. I know in my own RP I said "get in our way" twice and I realized it after I had posted it, but I try to avoid repeating myself. Otherwise it was good, talking about Baller and Baker not being a team for very long is a good talking point, but as Baller said as a tag team I would really like to see you and Karzai in each other's RP's. It's not a rule or anything, you can do solo RP's as a team, but I am a pretty staunch believer in teammates working together in each RP.

 

[Baller]

Ty - Another solid RP by you, I liked the interaction between the two managers, and I really believed every line of that conversation. Also, I like how you and Lars agreed to team up, but as soon it is over, it is off with each other's heads to get that KFAD shot and eventually a World Title Shot. Good stuff man.

 

[Ty Burna]

Baller - I've got say man you've been improving, you pairing up with Baker was probably the best thing for your development as an RPer. I like this RP, and as a team I really feel giving you the ability to work off of someone else on a bi weekly basis has given you confidence and a better direction with your character. This rp was good, the gold in the pot bit was a bit confusing at first, but it makes sense as you're banking on HA merely being lucky in getting the belts. Good RP, it works well but one thing I would like to see in the very near future from you and Baker, is working together on a cohesive scene/story in your RPs. Baker's was in LA's and you turn around and suddenly you're in Belfast. A minor sticking point but I feel as a tag team it's something to work towards. I enjoy teams that create storylines within their RP's, as long as it's not outrageous and pertains to your current feud, it really helps out the quality of your rps.

 

[Blade]

Ty: You're not on MSN and I'm bored, so here ya go
Brilliant RP, you and Polley work so well together, it's so great to watch your characters align, even if not everyone is getting alone. I love how you talk about ending Crashin's career as if it's a game, it what makes you such a good heel. Not much else to say here, I loved it, one of the best RPs you've ever done. Polley seems to bring out the best in you

A

Polley: Just like Ty's, awesome stuff here. There's some messed up bond between Reidar and Ty, and you show that so well. Despite the bond and despite how well they work together, there's still a certain underlying awareness that they probably will end up facing each other. Like others have said, you know your own character so well, but you also seemed to know Ty really well. Not much else I can say, just a great RP

A

 

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Ty Burna: This was slightly less interesting than Polley's but the wager at the end made the RP for me. The women's interaction was OK but for me it lacks the brutal intensity of any interaction that Ty and Lars share.

Baller: Your improvement is impressive and you have taken Baker's style on very well, which was the best thing. I would that you both could work on adding more description but the promos from you both are very good.

 

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Karnage: Great fun to read. Really enjoyed the description (which dried up to the end), the development in attitude and the banter while it lasted with the doctor. I would have enjoyed a little more direct attack at Showtime but this was really good.

 

[ABMorales787]

ZeroVX/Chris Jones: ****

I liked it a lot. I don't what it was. Maybe it was the feel to it. It felt like something very natural. Simple but very real. You interacted well with Hancock while pushing a bit of each character into a rather normal conversation.

Numbers/Austin Reynolds: ***

It was good. But, if this RP is being watched by people, where are these camera angles coming from? theres a 20 interlapse where Dom hits the showers and there a cameraman conveniently on the road to catch you two on the way out. Not to mention the one that some how fitted into the backseat of a rather compact vehicle. It was a good RP in terms of character development, but it didn't seem like something that would appear on a wrestling program.

Sivsyboi/John Smith: ****

I look at your RP's and its like you're really Rob Terry. I imagine the mean face and the snorting and everything. Its funny, really. You're not much of a character in terms of depth but you express what you are, very well. Keep it up.

Low_Ki/Scott Hammond: ***

RP was good. You got the message out. You addressed your parters and opponents accordingly and all, BUT... As the current reigning Mayhem Champ and the first to defend under the new 24/7 rule I fear you did wrong to complain about it character-wise. As a heel its natural to complain about added work, but you're in a hardcore division and you are talking about the pride, respect and honor of a belt covered in tape and written with a marker. It has history and pride, but the belt is about competition and outlasting others in a No Holds Barred environment.

Doug Crashin: ****

I have to say this was your best work so far. Will it be enough to allow you to do more? I don't know, its up to creative. However at least you put something to work with. Your character likes to meditate and can "see the future". You also added to your opponents and looked back to your debut match. You added depth. Which is good. It was a bit short, you probably could've added a bit more about your character into it, but you got the message through. Cross your fingers.

Polley/Lars Reidar: ****

Well... You aren't monsters. But I use a spoon to eat cake, ha ha.

Doc/Max Karzai: **

I get that you're a shock rocker and all, but all of that hidden messaging and fancy glamor aren't doing you favors. It was unique at first but now it's too much. You're a professional wrestler now. Even if your gimmick is about all of that your message should be direct and emphatic. You're a champion so you need to be straight and hit hard. Pro wrestling is art, yes, but its a direct and straight forward art. Jericho slammed Michaels'face against the Jeritron full force and straight ahead after directly insulting him and his family. He did not talk in metaphors with a video on the background. The Rock sang. And when he sang, he directly insulted the crowd and Stone Cold Steve Austin. "Leavin' Sacramento! Sacramento there I go! You got some ugly ass women there and The Rock will just say no!".

Bozzaholic/Carmen: ****

I liked that you planted a little suspension in the end. What will Carmen do? Can he get his " edge" back?



Maybe more on the way. Maybe.

 

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Killjoy, thanks for the comments but I find them unrealistic in many ways. Scene lapses happen all the time and promos are just like a film in many ways. When i'm watching a film showing two people in a two seater car, you don't worry about how it is being filmed.

And I got the impression that these aren't shown on wrestling programs. Because what is Karnage doing at the shrinks. Why is a former tag champ moonlighting as a psychiatrist.

Crashin: You had it going OK until the speaking started. What is this Jason's role - is he your servant? A confidante or close friend? There seems to be no real respect there.

And when Crashin speaks, I liked the first paragraph with the comments on the team of Ty & Lars but the attitude changed for no reason in the second where you just became an overconfident loudmouth.

And the meditation/foresight thing, i think you should have explained the whole thing better. I think you mistook it for some sort of deja vu.

Generally your writing style can be so mixed up at times and you dont seem to understand the position that Crashin finds himself in.

 

[Leeds Guy]

USA vs Frankie Smith - nice start you set the scene nicely. I really enjoyed this RP. I liked how you spoke about your history witht he marines. You finished up strongly talking about Frankie. Overall very very good

Cory Payne Vs Blade - You are really nailing this Heel character well. I always look forward to reading what you have put and this RP was no different. I enjoyed the Coloums weighing up which title would benifit you more was a nice twist to the RP and the ending talking about payne. Overall fantastic like Usual.

Everest Vs Titus W/Spec Ref Carmen Bratchny - Intriguing RP. Has Bratchny succumb to pressure. I liked it, Played off your loss from Ty well. Outstanding RP

Big Dave Vs Austin Reynolds - I really like your style of RP'ing Numbers. The RP's I have seen from you have been fantastic so far. This one was good too. It's been said that the Batemen indignation has been done to death but that didnt take anything away from the RP. I have noticed that whomever you RP against your RP's seem to get personal against that character I'm not sure if thats unintentional or you want your character to be that way. Overall though good RP

Heavy Artillery Vs Ghetto Stars - I kinda agree with Baller. I'm not too keen on two solo RP's for a tag team. Max Karzais RP I didn't really understand. Because i didnt really understand it or what it was about I didn't really enjoy it. Lights' RP was good. i liked how you mentioned that Ghetto Stars had not been a team for long and you used Becky very well.

Ghetto Stars Vs Heavy Artillery - Its no secret that i enjoy Bakers Character and I agree that baller has improved since joining up with Baker. Both RP's were well written. good job guys

More to follow

 

[ABMorales787]

Lee/Titus: *****

Like a promo straight out of WWE this was short, simple, straight, to the point and adds some depth. What is in that briefcase? By the way, loved the Arquette/Ali comparison.

Showtime/Cougar: *****

Another great face promo. You helped write off Trevor in a way that (to me at least) drew pity (I believe that's the correct word). It was intense while keeping a serious and focused feel to it. He's pissed but focused on Karnage.

 

[Showtime]

KillJoy

A good solid RP. Very good back and forth interview segments. I found some contradictions, you say the new belt looks awesome at first, then when talking about Hammond you say the belt looks "like it's from the trash". I understand there are strong differences between u and hammond and that trash to you might be treasure, but you basically disregarded him honouring the belt because it looks like junk when you yourself want to do the same with it, bring it honour and a true champion. In regards to the face turn, it's coming along nicely. You kept much of the same dialogue patterns, but you've done well structuring them to come off more face. You kept a lot about your opponents brief, but I felt you hit the right marks with what you had to say. The segment with Hancock and Jones I felt was a little drawn out and long. You could've simply talked about your partners, both of whom are heel and may rebel against you in that tag match rather than be your partner. Some spelling errors here and their, but grammatically it was well written. Dare I say it, simply because of your name, try to be more of a killjoy. One the audience would laugh and groan at. You have opportunity to get some good humour segments in, but I feel your just missing the mark. I like the direction so far, keep it up. (Also, love the new look KillJoy, awesome scary)

Max Karzai

I wanted to give feedback for this cause of all the fuss that's been made. Let's start off positive. The writing is very strong. The words the lyrics. I would suggest even though it did begin to drag on that more physical description of the video may have helped tie the video and the words together. There is nothing wrong with trying new things with your RP's. Blade sent me an idea he had for a RP once that involved him having conversations with his feelings and emotions, fear, guilt, pride, e.t.c. The problem was you really went head first with this idea in a very important match for you and your partner. Defending titles is not always the best time to be experimenting with new ideas. You have to understand, every match doesn't have to be a win. Some you know are throw away matches and those are the ones to try newer ideas. I liked this idea, we've seen it a bit before with you singing to a crowd, but there was a clearer message in the words. This one you really had to reach out to see the connections. Try to imagine that this or something similar was played on WWE. Would you understand it? Do you think the audience would? Would they know if they were tuning in for the first time ever that you were going to be defending your tag titles? The answers vary, but the majority would be no. The problem with your RP was it gave the uninformed reader little idea about u, wrestling, the match you're having, and what's at stake. For the rest of us, we should be able to find some connections, but the fact is it wasn't easy. The writing is good, the idea just needs to be worked on. You need to make sure your message is able to get across and be understood by all readers. Sedulity is all right, but sometimes obviousness works better, lol.

Blade

A good RP Blade. I must admit I didn't care for the heel Blade. I loved it best when you drew the line between face and heel till Lee put an end to that and then you became face and I grew to like it. When you turned heel, you did such a good job explaining it and putting it over, but I didn't see much in heel Blade. Now that we've passed the shocking turn, you're beginning to develop him and I'm liking it more. I like how he's not as confident, tough as nails, or as cocky as many of the other heels. He's a very cowardly heel, something we really don't have a lot of. He counters this by claiming to always have a plan and destiny will take care of the rest. It's a good character you got building here that's starting to become more and more dimensional. Now onto the RP, I'll break it down into 3. The first part was fine, explained the current situations Blades going through very nicely. The second part was also good, reminded me of when Titus was trying to find out who his attackers were. Ending was abrupt, but it left us wondering what you had in mind. Final part had another abrupt ending that could've been avoided with a little physical description or something. Random suggestion, you could've walked away and kicked a basket ball away from some kid dribbling it in homage of the Million Dollar man, lol. This is actually a very big match for you and Payne like Bateman pointed out, and I felt you didn't give quite enough focus on Payne as you should've. He could get a world title shot, while you're settling for a middle card shot. Opportunities to strike, or call him a fraud or undeserving were there. Instead we were left with what is becoming a reoccurring Blade comment, don't underestimate me. I don't think that is enough this time. Writing is good and character build was there. Blade has a plan, I'm looking forward to see it roll out. Good Work.

Karnage

Calm, cool, and collected. The new Karnage. I wasn't going to give feedback b/c 1) you're my opponent, and 2) you know its good. I much enjoyed the early shot on Kurtesy. I generally like when people use other characters in their RP's in this fashion, brief mentions. Anyway, the RP was very well written. You've done a terrific job developing Karnage. I remember in his early days. New characters are very weak in depth and an ex-convict is a pretty basic template to start but has potential to grow. Inside of being a low life Batista, you've gotten into the mind of your character and let his cold and calculated nature jump out on the page. He doesn't need to get angry or flex his muscles cause he already knows everyone fears him. He's much more scary now than when he was a wild destructive animal. I like how you've addressed this recent trend in your character. What's important in e-feding is to never get in a rut and use the same emotions and actions in every RP. As you said in your last RP, learn and re-grow. Karnage is prepared to re-enter that stage of destruction and it is about time for your character to do that, which helped justify your assault last week which you explained well. As you said, we have history and a world of potential to feud. That being said, while we've made frequent mentions about each other in our RPs before, there was very little in this one. I read this RP as a character builder to what will no doubt be a tougher and more badass Karnage at Redemption, not a match winner. The line near the end, about caging an animal, I didn't quite understand. The statements true, but the context in which it was used seemed off. I think you're already freed after last weeks attack, but I get that you were going for a dramatic end between you and I. Otherwise, writing is sound and the ending was good. I like how you ended it with describing the sky go from sunny to stormy. A sign of things to come? Great work Thunder.

 

[Blade]

Showtime: Ok, well I've got a few things to say about this. Firstly, the one negative thing I have to say. I think your face turn was too sudden. You were in so deep as a heel that I think easing into the turn over a longer period of time would've suited you way more. I look at the concern Cougar is showing for Steel and I find it slightly hard to believe, I still see him as the best damn heel in the midcard. But that's not really a big deal, I'm not even sure if it affects the overall quality of the RP. I liked that you had Klamour hosting the show, he's the most underused interviewer in the roster and you use him well. Also, I metioned the stuff with the face turn, but for someone who wrote RP's as a heel for so long, it's impressive that you can write such good face RPs already. It has all the face standards; courage, determination and confidence while not coming off as cocky. Also, I think there's a definite difference between showing heel emotion and showing face emotion. I certainly think you pulled off the face emotion nicely. Basically, a really good RP.

B-

 

[Dave]

Showtime – You should take heed in the fact that this is the only RP I have read so far. It is mainly because you are against me but I do always look forward to reading yours. I definitely think that you and I can have some great matches because of the history between us and you can see that it means a lot to both of us. We have both made mention of the past and it shows that we are polar opposites, or somewhat the same. As for this RP, I liked it. It is classic Show and I am always amazed how you can take some ideas that are commonly used and give them a new dynamic. It is very clever and shows how comfortable you are when writing as a heel or a face. However, what I will say is that Blade was spot on. This all seems a little sudden and when you talk about Steel and how you are looking after his family, I always think that you are being sly. That being said, the writing is always strong with you and this is another shining example. The idea may be recycled but you made it work and the emotion was there. Good job!

****

 

[Prototype Payne]

Baller: Pretty good RP here. Not great but good enough to win. I liked the interaction between you and Baker. It flowed very well, playing of Baker's RP. This is a good pairing, with Baker being a face and trying to reign in his partner, who still has a bit of cocky heel in him. Also, I love the catchphrase. However I had two problems with this RP.

Number 1 was the pot of gold part. I understand that plays into you being in Ireland (unique setting by the way, good job) but it was hard to follow what you were talking about at some points.

Number 2 was the end. I don't think Becky would suggest to Baller and Baker that they should go to a pub. It seems like something Baker would do, which would tie into Baker trying to get some from Becky. But that is just a minor suggestion.

Overall this was a good tag team RP, good enough to get the tag belts for The Ghetto Stars. Good job

 

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Big Dave: I loved the creepiness behind this - I didnt really expect this kind of thing from you - and the attacks were unique. The development in character was but I would like to see a little more substance to the RP to give a bit more depth to this character.

Lee: I can understand why you aren't happy with this because it does mean you are vulnerable if Everest pulls something good out. It was basic and while I saw the idea behind your promo, I thought you could have dug deeper and hit harder.