Round 6: Riaku -vs- Digging4Plunder

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  1. D-Man

    D-Man Gone but never forgotten.

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    Paul Heyman strongly believe the lack of a TV deal was the main cause of ECW’s demise, is this statement true?

    This is a sixth round match in the Debater's League. Riaku is the home debater and gets to choose which side of the debate they will be on and who debates first, but they have 24 hours to make their choice.

    This thread is for DEBATERS ONLY and will end on Friday at 2pm EST.

    Anyone that posts in this thread besides the debaters, league admins, and judges will be infracted!

    Good luck.​
     
  2. ABMorales787

    ABMorales787 Lord And Master
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    I'll go second and choice that Paul Heyman strongly believes the lack of a TV deal was the main cause of ECW’s demise, is not true.
     
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    ABMorales787 Lord And Master
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    Well it's been well over 24 hours and my opponent isn't here. I guess I'll go then.

    Apparently, Paul Heyman believes ECW died because it never really had a good national TV deal. I cry bullshit. ECW left NWA and went solo in 1994. It started with Shane Douglas' infamous tossing of the NWA title and the rest was hardcore history. They plugged their first PPV supercard event in 1997, Barely Legal. That alone says something. A small indy company with a TV deal that only got small late night exposure (around 2 a.m.) in Philly and NYC, somehow got to plug a national PPV. Not just one, actually. They had one every 2 or so months. About one every month or more. That means it was getting revenue via PPV buys. If you know your wrestling, you know this is one of WWE and TNA's main revenue sources. ECW went for 6 years without a national TV deal. I find it funny that those 6 years happen to be the bulk of their popularity. The company rose in fame even more with their 4 week stint on WWF's Monday Night RAW. Still no national TV deal back then. Yet you had the Manhattan Center crowded with ECW fan's and their signature chants. Clearly, ECW did not need a TV deal to live.

    I'll leave it here for now. I'll wait until tomorrow for a response, if not, I continue.
     
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    I guess I'll pick up where I left off then.

    Paul Heyman wasn't exactly a financial or business guy. He really didn't do good deals. He had problems just to get his first ECW PPV running. As a matter of fact, there were times where the ECW alumni would go for months without a paycheck. Let's just take a look at what left ECW crumbling just a few months after the deal with TNN fell:

    They had their competition holding them up. Unbelievable. You would never see that done to WCW or to TNA. Probably because they don't (didn't) need it. No matter what ECW did, they were falling in the pit of debt. No way would TV deal save them. And it was for many reasons.

    1) Most importantly, they were not suitable programing for prime time TV.

    2) They had a bad reputation when doing business.

    3) Carried many problems from past incidents such as the "Mass Transit" Incident the "Sandman Crucifixion" and the Mick Foley/Terry Funk Heat Wave chair incident.

    Let's put it blunt. They could've probably survived by a limb, if a major prime time network, like CBS, ABC or FOX picked them up. But do you really think they would be with their current image? Do you really think they would have the same appeal if it were censored to fit said air time? NO! ECW hammered the first few nails on its coffin with it's bad business decisions. Sooner or later, the casket would be shut. A TV deal would and did prolong it. No matter how, ECW was gonna fall. By debt or loss of appeal.


    I'll leave it here for now.
     
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    Speaking of hammering caskets shut, I think I should end this with a closing argument. I'll recap everything said via bullet points as I see no reason repeat myself for a 4th occasion.

    Why would ECW not survive without a TV deal?
    • It would've and was shortening their funds. They needed a major financial backer. A major network company would definably fit that bill. However, one would wonder just how far would said company go for the raunchy bunch.
    • The exposure would've helped with the selling of PPV's. Sadly the PPV companies owed from previous events.
    Why would ECW not survive, even with a TV deal?

    • Before TNN picked them up, they were having lots of problems. Past incidents causing legal issues, PPV companies, toy companies and videogame companies owed them money and Paul Heyman was occasionally "forgetting" pay day. That among other things.
    • They had one with TNN. They were given small funds, a late slot and no advertising. The result, they were TNN's highest rated show. To add to the results, they were scrapped in favor of Monday Night RAW. ECW on TNN, while successful within TNN, made zero impact outside of it.
    • They are not "TV appropriate". This is a company that lived on ultra-violence and "Sunday language". Do you really believe a major TV deal would fall on them without it involving heavy censoring? How would Extreme Championship Wrestling look without the "Extreme"? Let's ask WWE's ECW brand. Wait, where is it? Oh, right. Dead as well.
     
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    Riaku wins all 5 points by default.
     
  7. Miko

    Miko WATCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER!?

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    KilljoyKu 5 - 0 in a truly heated debate
     
  8. Phoenix

    Phoenix WZCW's First Triple Crown Champion

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    Riaku gets 5 points from me. He is the victor on 20 points to Digging4Plunder's 0.
     
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