Just to point this out, that part of the match was phased out a while ago. Just consider it a street fight…that ends in a 3 count.
That Mr. Russo can sure cook up a doozy, can’t he?
True, over the last year or so the whole point of the Monster's Ball has been forgotten, but the modern day Monster's Ball should be considered a separate entity. Ever since Taylor Wilde/Daffney, TNA's been used the bastard cousin of the Monster's Ball, which really shouldn't be taken into account here.
Now to my introductory point: A Last Man Standing Match is a straightforward concept.
AKA just like any other match, with a little tweaking.
There are no people locked in a room, and somehow overcoming the concept of exhaustion as we know it by withstanding a day without food or water and still retaining enough strength to send people through tables, or swantoning off a ramp.
Would you rather them come out and immeadieatly pass out in the ring? That'd be no fun. Screw realism, this is wrestling, man.
LMS is simple: Two guys who are pretty sick and tired of each other just Beat the living shit out of one another enough for one of them to be down for a 10 count. That can happen anywhere (in a ring or on the arena). If you do compare each concept, the casual fan will tend to gravitate towards a LMS Match. They won’t go “right, so you got to pin your opponent after throwing him through a table…what? You got to pin them in the ring? Yeah that doesn’t do it for me.”
I'd think the casual fan would be much more inclined to watch as many big/ridiculous spots as possible from guys who are willing to do some crazy shit in the ring, without regard for their bodies (Sabu, Abyss, etc.) A LMS is more or less just a brawl, and psychology plays a really big role into it. The casual fan could give a fuck about psychology.
Of course, you could have 20 minutes of them trying to put on a match that makes sense compared to the first monster’s ball match in which lasted 10 minutes and turned out to be pretty disjointed to me. I mean, 10 minutes? Where’s the foreplay, Russo? LMS matches usually draw out longer than that since the point is to wear your opponent down. Do big spots, and you wear him and yourself out, and you end up with something akin to a train wreck, and thus, you’re made fun of by Batista.
Sure, Monster's Ball matches aren't overly long, but would you expect them to be? If a match is really that brutal, how can it last over 20 minutes? A Monster's Ball eliminates all that dead time/dragging things out nonsense and gets right to the good stuff - the action, baby.
True, there wasn’t any brutality so to speak in that particular LMS match. But for every Cena vs. Batista, there’s this
You see, while a good few LMS matches are just fine and dandy, there are more than a couple of exceptions, as you've admitted. There are no exceptions when it comes to Monster's Ball, discounting the bastard cousin of course.
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We could do this all day. Let's not.
As for the duct tape, I like to see it as “Cena had no choice.” Besides that was just a single turning point of their feud, which in reality was just based on Batista whining and Cena making him quit as their blow off. It did not devalue in any way the LMS as is.
I'd say it did. The LMS was just another match that people will forget in a few months. How brutal can it really be when the challenger is back the next day asking for more? The truth is, at this point, it really isn't the popular choice when it comes to ending feuds or being the premier match in wrestling. That belongs to the Hell in a Cell, and I Quit, Ironman, and Ladder matches all may be preferred choices at this point.
Folks, what matters in this debate now is the fact that LMS is and has been more brutal than the Monster’s Ball match.
If only you didn't choose the wrong side, this'd be much easier for you to argue.
Hell, Shane McMahon has his share of crazy shit under his belt in LMS matches.
The fact that Shane is involved surely can't be a positive for you, can it?
One of those is a fucking dive OFF THE TRON! Way higher than Jeff’s Swanton, by the way.
I don't have my tape measure handy, so I'll have to trust you.
There’s also Edge slamming Benoit with a brick hidden in his MITB match, Mankind vs. The Rock (they fought everywhere), etc. What makes it more brutal is that they HAVE to literally weaken their opponent enough for a 10 count, not a three count.
This isn't all about numbers. It's about the idea behind the matches. A LMS is basically any other match, with one rule slightly altered. A Monster's Ball changes everything. Being locked in a dark, room all alone for 24 hours isn't just a slight rule change.
It completely changes the mindset of all of the wrestlers involed. It causes them to go insane, to want to inflict as much damage as possible as they have no regard for human life anymore, they don't even know what human life is at this point. It's outta control! [/kayfabe, of course]
Bottom Line, a MB is all about being a huge multi man spotfest weapons match full of big spots, maybe a little blood, and holy shit moments. LMS matches have their bright spots as well, but definetly can't be relied on all the time to produce something special, something memorable, something brutal. A Monster's Ball can.