Those same fans that were chanting his name on RAW and throughout the pay-per-views can be found at the iMPACT Zone in Orlando week in and week out. He would've been just as over in TNA as the WWE especially since he had a rep for getting released for being "non-PG". It's a better move for the WWE because they get to keep a star away from TNA but isn't the better move for Danielson in the long run.
Yes, but isn't that the point? To be able to utilize a star of Danielson's caliber and potential to go far in the WWE in a better, and more lasting way than TNA? It is the better run since TNA has been very erratic these past few months. They pay for appearance, and that means that if he gets over the limit with a title, he has to drop it and wait it out. It's just an erratic pattern (look at RVD)
Desmond was in the World Title picture already. He got his first title shot in less than 5 months as the Wolfe character, which was after a high profile feud with Kurt Angle, and he was the owner of the #1 ranking in the first ever Championship Rankings poll. Now he's still in a title picture, in line for a shot against the MCMG for the tag titles.
But look at the gap from there to the main event? It's huge. If he were that important, he would have stayed number 1 in the polls. It's kinda disheartening to look at his feud with Kurt which was high up in the card, then to his feud with Abyss, which can be said it's upper mid card. Then to ask to be included in Fortune, only to be denied and end up teaming with Brutus on the show. You'd think it'd be backwards when he got booked. But to me, it just seems like a stunted growth. Something that Danielson CANNOT need in his career.
Only one has been able to connect with the crowd so far and turn that into success.
No, I think four of them have: Punk, bourne, Kaval and Danielson.
Bourne is over because he has a very flashy move set not because he can connect personally with the crowd. Usually faces that are as over as you say he is with the fans don't get beat cleanly often. His last victory on RAW came a little over a month ago and his last clean one-on-one victory Borune had was way back in May against Zack Ryder. Borune's gear is nowhere near the WWEShop's top sellers at the moment and he only has four items on the site for sale. So Bourne might make some money through selling some merchandise but, not enough to say that he's connected with the fans that much. Also, I wouldnt call Bourne a ROH champion since he never held the World Title.
So if he holds the tag titles, he isn't a champion? What? Besides you're pretty much agreeing with me since you said what I just bolded. So is it enough to sell, but not enough to connect with the audience.
I mentioned this in my opening argument already and stated that he was the one person on that list that was able to connect with the fans and translate it into success in terms of titles and main event feuds.
Yes, but Kaval and Danielson are getting their feet wet. They're also getting reactions, and in the eyes of the WWE universe, they're rookies.
During his initial run in the WWE, he won his only title there, feuding with the likes of Rey Mysterio and Tajiri. After his run in ROH was over and he came back to the WWE, he was pretty much there to job to the other cruiserweights in the business, like Hornswoggle. This proves my point that ROH guys really arent too successful in the WWE.
Yes they can. They just need to have enough talent to be able to capitalize on the chance they're given and look good and connect with the audience. Evan Bourne may sell a clothesline like a freight train hit, but it's part of what of his appeal. He's very underdog, has a flashy moveset, and people pop when he hits his Air Bourne. Is that not connecting with the crowd? Yes it is. Why? Because he's using his moveset to appeal to the crowd.
Lets also not forget that Danielson was pretty much beaten by everybody on the NXT roster before he got eliminated. He was pretty much out of the WWE picture until the whole Nexus fiasco happened. As big a name Danielson is, I could almost guarantee that he wouldnt have been treated as a jobber on the lower-tier show in TNA.
And I could guarantee he would most likely be ending up in the same position as Wolfe. Besides, he got eliminated by management on NXT, not for being low on the polls. He was dominating at number one for a few weeks, for christ's sake. Besides, it was evident that Miz and Danielson would feud at some point. Better now that he's returned since it gives it all the more steam because Miz was the reason he got eliminated in Summerslam, and th reaosn he lost on Monday.
And who says you need to win to get noticed? He made everyone he had a match with seem legit at the time (which says a lot about him as a worker).
Its a surprise return so, of course hes going to be hot at the moment. Lets see where he is after his initial buzz dies down.
It's a feud with Miz. If there's anything it won't do, it's lose buzz. Cole cheers the Miz, and Miz is feuding with Bryan. That equals Cole bashing him (givign Cole some personality) and that just escalates the feud.
Its not irrelevant because the buzz Kingston had after the show in Madison Square Garden is similar to the buzz Danielson is getting now. Everybody on these forums thought that Kingston was on the way to superstardom on RAW. After getting beat by Orton for the fourth time, the buzz had ultimately died down hence, the reason he got drafted to the B show. The way the WWE books, it wouldnt be impossible to believe that DBD would be in the same boat in the long run.
lol, and you think that TNA's booking direction is any better? You serious? Besides, Kingston is a different case. His draft came at a bad time, but he's pretty much building himself back up by his feud with Ziggler for the title. Orton was in the same boat in 2004. Granted, it was because he got kicked out of Evolution and he turned face too early, but still. He built himself back up. What, you think Kingston can't do the same?
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Didnt hurt any of the contenders when RVD won the Heavyweight Title in about a month nor did it hurt any of the contenders to the title contenders when Kurt Angle held all of those titles in under a year.
Oh, yes it did. yes it did. He gets the title a month and a few days after he's hired to work in TNA. I think Angle took a lot longer than that.
And he wouldnt have lost any momentum while sitting out the 90 days. Just ask Mr. Kennedy/Anderson, who sat out the full 90 about how over he is in the iMPACT Zone.
He had to build himself up from scratch, remember? He wasn't known as Mr. Anderson at first, he was pretty much getting "Kennedy" chants. Besides, he debuted as a heel getting face chants, which is pretty much the norm at TNA.
Styles is currently the TNA Television Champion, is a part of the Fortune group, and is in the middle of TNA's current big storyline with Fortune vs. EV 2.0.
Erratic. What's the point of the group if they don't have the gold in TNA? Besides, this just proves that if Danielson were to be hired, he'd be pretty much cast aside, same as Wolfe.
With RVD most likely vacating the World Title, I wouldn't be surprised to see Styles around the title picture in a couple of weeks or months at the latest.
I wouldn't be surprised if he jobs to someone. We differ in philosophies, apparently.
So, if that's keeping the good workers down, then imagine the push Bryan would've gotten being billed as the man who was too restricted for the WWE after his 90 day clause was up.
Oh, right. That's the norm of TNA: mention anything to give the 'E publicity. Remember the "fuck you, Vince" chants at Hardcore Justice? That does not help TNA. Danielson going to TNA would just be this gigantic fuck you to the work he put in WWE, and it wouldn't last. Nothing lasts in TNA.
