Wow, as someone already stated if "steamboat" dies, WWE will be in huge shit, it seems like every week it gets worse. Danielson fired, Barrett and Mcintyre visa expire, and a hall of famer has an aneurysm. It looks even worse because steamboat didn't have it like a month down the road etc. He had the shit the same week he got beat down on raw. Aneurysms from my readings is something that can be sudden without any symptons or buildup they can just happen. With that being said The nxt group could have very well caused it. Man i hope he recovers or WWE is in the ringer, they may still be in the ringer even if he does recovers..
Ricky Steamboat Hospitalised From Brain Aneurysm
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I could see the things that happened on RAW, could have contributed to his brain condition, like the clothesline from Skip Sheffield and also the slam from Otunga, they hit him pretty hard with those 2 moves. These legends are men that are obviously much older than the Nexus guys, some extra care should have been taken to assure that none of them got very seriously hurt. But here's hoping Ricky makes a full recovery.
I hope all the other "Legends" take note of this and be very careful with anything they do in the business. People like Flair and Hogan who can wrestle without serious health concerns should not be looked at as the rule, rather the exception that proves it.
50 and 60 year old men should not be in the ring with 20 and 30 year old professional athletes. One seemingly innocent bump can turn into something serious.
My thought and prayers are with Ricky Steamboat and his family. Here's to a full and speedy recovery!
50 and 60 year old men should not be in the ring with 20 and 30 year old professional athletes. One seemingly innocent bump can turn into something serious.
My thought and prayers are with Ricky Steamboat and his family. Here's to a full and speedy recovery!
LamaNamaneumi
08-14-2012
I hope everything turns out okay with Steamboat. I had a friend pass away a few years back from a brain aneurysm. Even if this was not a result of the actions that took place on RAW, I'm sure the NeXus faction still has to feel bad.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Let's hope that Ricky Steamboat makes a speedy recovery and all goes well for his health. Anything that involves the brain in terms of injury is always a high concern.
I can see how the Nexus could have related to what happened in the ring considering how hard Steamboat took those moves and bumps. I know these guys are new and all, but they'd at least have to know that these guys can't take the impact as much as the guys on the current roster... if that certainly is the case. Maybe it could be all unrelated and was just a bad luck on the part of Ricky.
It definitely seems that this Nexus angle is cursed from all the stuff that has occurred. Either way, good luck Ricky Steamboat. Our prayers and thoughts are with you and the family.
I can see how the Nexus could have related to what happened in the ring considering how hard Steamboat took those moves and bumps. I know these guys are new and all, but they'd at least have to know that these guys can't take the impact as much as the guys on the current roster... if that certainly is the case. Maybe it could be all unrelated and was just a bad luck on the part of Ricky.
It definitely seems that this Nexus angle is cursed from all the stuff that has occurred. Either way, good luck Ricky Steamboat. Our prayers and thoughts are with you and the family.
I think more care is a priority, when you are doing something with younger and new guys and much older guys in WWE, that obviously people like the Legends can't take beatings and bumps like they used to. And the younger guys risking people like Steamboat's health is a serious issue because its obviously not a good look when one of the Legends gets a brain injury like this, there needs to be protocols in place to an extent on this i guess.
I wish Ricky Steamboat all the best My wife's cousin is a nurse at the hospital he's at. It is the best hospital in the Tampa Bay area so I know he's in good hands.
I don't know if this is related to the attack from Nexus. Many people think it is and they think Nexus are sloppy and dangerous and they may be right. I personally don't think it is related, but one thing sticks in my mind.
I read a post on another unrelated thread that after the 450 splash Gabriel kept looking back at Steamboat with a guilty look on his face. That poster was using that as a sign he was going to leave/kicked out of Nexus for feeling guilty for the beat down.
I didn't notice it while watching it live, but when I re watched it after reading his post. I did notice what he was talking about. Now I can't help but to wander if he landed wrong or if he knew Steamboat was legitimately hurt.
I don't know if this is related to the attack from Nexus. Many people think it is and they think Nexus are sloppy and dangerous and they may be right. I personally don't think it is related, but one thing sticks in my mind.
I read a post on another unrelated thread that after the 450 splash Gabriel kept looking back at Steamboat with a guilty look on his face. That poster was using that as a sign he was going to leave/kicked out of Nexus for feeling guilty for the beat down.
I didn't notice it while watching it live, but when I re watched it after reading his post. I did notice what he was talking about. Now I can't help but to wander if he landed wrong or if he knew Steamboat was legitimately hurt.
AdamDevine
Dark Match Winner
I too hope Ricky has a speedy recovery. The "beatdown" that happened Monday had nothing to do with him being hospitalized, the years and years of wrestling on the other hand had a huge influence on his current condition. Now a lot of you are saying these NXT fellas are to rough, what you have to remember is even though they're rookies in WWE doesn't actually make them rookies. They've probably all wrestled on the independant scene like Daniel Bryan, or if not there then just in FCW. Wrestlers can work stiff and still not hurt someone. Take Roderick Strong for example, his chops are more legandary than Ric Flair's. YouTube it if you haven't seen it. I have a DVD of him facing Matt Hardy and the first chop you can tell Hardy had never had one like Strong's before. Also, I'd be willing to bet that WWE has told them to be stiff to sell the angle. Think about it, if they walked into the ring and just threw punches that sorta kinda looked like they hit, would you really care about them? No. You tune in to seem them beat someone down and hit finishers that look like a normal person couldn't withstand.
Stone_Cold_Randy_Orton
Pre-Show Stalwart
Your only intelligent comment! And OH MY! Might I add your agreeing with me.
OH SNAP! Seriously though WTF are you talking about? Please elaborate.
WOW. The logic is making me feel ******ed.
LOL. Then why are we even discussing this? If its not apparent why is anyone bothering to mention it?
No. Vince is oddly a tough guy who lets people piss on him and takes action AFTER their off the air and in the safety of his office.
LMAO. Stop your killing me. XD
Oh! So they know more than me, but not you? That's why you apparently just explained their actions? Looks like your the one living in fairytale land. I gave justifiable opinions, while you give a direct "This is what they were thinking..." answers. And then you have the nerve to get on me for being so direct????
Exactly.
Wrestling is a young mans game, this helps to show that. A 40 , 50 , 60 something cannot take the punishment that a 20 or 30 something can. Steamboat showed in his match with Jerico that he can still go, but Jerico is a seasoned pro who knows how to protect his opponant like and exstenion of his own body. I'm not blaming the Nexus guys of being to stiff, though they might have been. Shit happens! Goldberg didnt intend to give Hart a concussion and Hart didnt realize the extent of his injuries untill it ended his career. Personally I thought it was a little tacky for them to beat up a bunch of retired ledgends but this is the WWE , lol, so I wasnt surprised. besides the old timers love getting involved from time to time. I don't think the angle is cursed, I just think shit happens sometimes. My wishes go out to Steamboat for a full, speedy recovery. he is one of the all time greats.
Sure a man of Ricky's age shouldn't be in the ring but that beatdown by Nexus is not the reason Ricky is in the hospital. Ricky was a wrestler for many years and aneurysms are caused by head trauma or high blood pressure and we all know that wrestlers all take loads of pain killers and those cause high blood pressure and most 50 year old men have high blood pressure anyway. This injury is definitely not due to the attack on Monday. I wish Ricky Steamboat a speedy and full recovery.
kingkong317
Dark Match Jobber
Ok. Ricky can work. Anybody 20 year old, 10 years old, 30, 50 whatever age can suffer a brain aneurysm.
now: if it was the result of the blows on monday and he recovers, expect releases, citing that these guys can't work. they worked a legend too damn stiff and he suffered health damage. if its not from that, then it could be from anything. i think it was from the blows. because think about this, he worked a lot of matches last year, all against jericho, sheamus, and drew mcintyre, and not one report of injury. look how sheaums and mcintyre work. these nxt guys must not be good workers. its too bad ricky may be the indicaiton of that.
notice too though how they systematically took out the legends. arn was taken out by one blow to the ring post because of his neck problems. of course the nxt guys knew of his neck problems. then dean, dean taken out by a hard throw to the barrier. then it was rotundo who got up after being beaten on the outside to try to get back in. then down to lawler, ricky and hayes who all have another 4 matches left in them. they were done last because they can still work and their careers weren't ended by one severe injury consequence like arn's was.
(rotundo and malenko likely kept their ties on to bring out more daniel bryan type stuff, acting as bait)
in many sufferer's of brain aneurysms, sometimes it takes one blow to trigger and can occur and do damage up to days later. maybe that is the case here, maybe not. if it is, wwe will likely be in deep shit and so will guys like otunga who delivered devastating blows.
i only wish ricky the best, because he is a great talent, a great guy, and it'd be a damn shame if something like what happened on monday, caused the end of his career and livelihood and more.
all the best to you, ricky.
CynicSteve
Jobber to the stars!!!
Ok, so could the impact of these blows have caused the aneurysm? Possibly.
Is it the fault of the Nexus? No way in hell.
Ok Nexus may be green, but what most people aren't realizing is the majority of the impact in a wrestling move is controlled by the man taking the bump. Not the one giving it, and the legends that were in that ring are some of the very best of all time. All of these gentlemen are leaps and bounds above the talent level of any current WWE superstars.
Dean Malenko - A man who is considered by many to be the best pure talent ever to step in the ring. He defied the odds when he was ranked #1 in the PWI in 1997. A rare occasion that this position is not held by a world champion. Dean was just that damn good. Retired because he wanted to. Yeah, I think he can take a security rail bump.
Mike Rotunda - One of the most underrated wrestlers of all time. He made a great career out of taking bumps. Only retired in 2004, still in decent shape. He easily could take any shot they gave him.
Arn Anderson - Ok, they took it easy on old Double A. Even though he still likes to get involved from time to time we have to realize this man does have one of the worst neck injuries possible without turning you into a vegetable. But Arn still would have no problem taking the bump he was given.
Jerry Lawler, Michael P.S. Hayes, and Ricky Steamboat all still work on occasion to this very day. They know what the bumps are going to be like, and they all chose to be in that ring. No one can predict who is at risk for aneurysm, but if you have it anything can set it off. If Ricky had his aneurysm during his match with Jericho would Y2J be getting crucified right now? Nope. But because these guys are rookies they must have screwed up. It's very hypocritical.
And for the poster who actually posted that Rotunda and Malenko kept their ties on as bait. YOU NEED TO LAY OFF THE PIPE! They're road agents, they wear ties. Before anyone says Arn took his off I simply say no shit. I've already discussed the neck injury. No way would he take even a simple bump with additional pressure on his neck.
I'm very sorry this happened to Ricky. He was an idol of mine growing up, and I send my thoughts and prayers to him and his family.
I also have to say one more thing. David Otunga should be very ashamed performing that shitty of a spinebuster in front of Arn Anderson. Seriously guys. What is his appeal?
Is it the fault of the Nexus? No way in hell.
Ok Nexus may be green, but what most people aren't realizing is the majority of the impact in a wrestling move is controlled by the man taking the bump. Not the one giving it, and the legends that were in that ring are some of the very best of all time. All of these gentlemen are leaps and bounds above the talent level of any current WWE superstars.
Dean Malenko - A man who is considered by many to be the best pure talent ever to step in the ring. He defied the odds when he was ranked #1 in the PWI in 1997. A rare occasion that this position is not held by a world champion. Dean was just that damn good. Retired because he wanted to. Yeah, I think he can take a security rail bump.
Mike Rotunda - One of the most underrated wrestlers of all time. He made a great career out of taking bumps. Only retired in 2004, still in decent shape. He easily could take any shot they gave him.
Arn Anderson - Ok, they took it easy on old Double A. Even though he still likes to get involved from time to time we have to realize this man does have one of the worst neck injuries possible without turning you into a vegetable. But Arn still would have no problem taking the bump he was given.
Jerry Lawler, Michael P.S. Hayes, and Ricky Steamboat all still work on occasion to this very day. They know what the bumps are going to be like, and they all chose to be in that ring. No one can predict who is at risk for aneurysm, but if you have it anything can set it off. If Ricky had his aneurysm during his match with Jericho would Y2J be getting crucified right now? Nope. But because these guys are rookies they must have screwed up. It's very hypocritical.
And for the poster who actually posted that Rotunda and Malenko kept their ties on as bait. YOU NEED TO LAY OFF THE PIPE! They're road agents, they wear ties. Before anyone says Arn took his off I simply say no shit. I've already discussed the neck injury. No way would he take even a simple bump with additional pressure on his neck.
I'm very sorry this happened to Ricky. He was an idol of mine growing up, and I send my thoughts and prayers to him and his family.
I also have to say one more thing. David Otunga should be very ashamed performing that shitty of a spinebuster in front of Arn Anderson. Seriously guys. What is his appeal?
It doesn't appear as if this was caused by the Nexus angle, just bad timing. Still, I certainly hope Steamboat recovers and becomes healthy again. He's a legend and he deserved the respect that he received in the ring on Raw before the Nexus angle took place. He was also the only guy out of the legends who feuded with Jericho last year who could really still go in the ring, and put on a great match with Jericho at Backlash which only added to his great legacy. So I'm going to hope that this doesn't turn into anything bad, because he's always come off as a good and genuine guy and no one deserves this.
I hope Steamboat recovers quickly. Thankfully he seems to be in a fairly good condition now judging from the reports. The bumps he took on Monday whether they are a cause or not, can't of helped.
With regards to the NXT thing, the beatings seem stiff, probably because they want them to come across like that. A case could be made that they are too green to be in this main event situation, especially since they are supposed to come across like they are violent and savage. But regardless, they do need to adequately protect those they are in the ring with.
With regards to the NXT thing, the beatings seem stiff, probably because they want them to come across like that. A case could be made that they are too green to be in this main event situation, especially since they are supposed to come across like they are violent and savage. But regardless, they do need to adequately protect those they are in the ring with.
trendkiller
The Voice of Reason
TheAnimal, what are you on about? These guys have been wrestling for YEARS; you don't think they at least knowq how to keep an opponent safe? If they didn't, they would never be let out of, possibly even in to FCW.
But I digress. It really sucks that Steamboat (who imo deserves every "you've still got it"-chant he can get) suffers this tragic fate. Let's hope for a speedy and full recovery.
But I digress. It really sucks that Steamboat (who imo deserves every "you've still got it"-chant he can get) suffers this tragic fate. Let's hope for a speedy and full recovery.
You have to rememeber though that this is their step up to the plate.
A chance on RAW to show off, however at the same time with all the risks of failure, pressure of fans, family and fellow performers.
Doing something on a smaller stage with less consequences is ofcourse a lot easier than doing these beat downs on RAW.
It doesn't matter how many times u've done a move to someone, when the time comes anyone can get a bit of nerves, stage fright or even be overzealous. Especially newcomers.
Monday Night Raw and FCW are lightyears apart. Its not like WWE have never called up people who don't know how to work properly. Why do you think people are worrying about the time when they need to wrestle? Hell an argument could even be made that the number 1 guy in the company should still be learning in FCW!
And they have been wrestling for years, but not with the exposure they have now, where they have millions of people watching all over the world and in the main event position with the companies biggest guy.
Nexus have got alot of pressure on them to succeed in this storyline, as its one of the best that''s happened in along time, and when there's pressure somethings may happen where moves are stiff and everyone is critquing and looking at you, so wer can blame these guys entirely. And it is unfortunate still what happened to Ricky but im sure he will make a good recovery.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Don't you guys watch House? A stiff clothesline or 2 isn't going to give you an aneurysm, it was more than likely a preexisting condition. Shit, he should probably be thanking Nexus for the beatdown, he probably thought he had a concussion or something only to find out that it was something more serious. How much worse could it have been if this angle didn't happen and he was to just live with this even longer? Alot of you seem to be placing the blame with the WWE, like they actually knew about this and proceeded to just ignore it. Highly doubtful.
Forgive me for the vague example, but does anyone remember Matt Cappotelli? He took a stiff chairshot from someone in OVW, who's name escapes me, and while he underwent a cat scan, they found a malignant tumor in his brain. Now let me ask you, how many people were up in arms saying that _______ gave Matt Brain Cancer?
Forgive me for the vague example, but does anyone remember Matt Cappotelli? He took a stiff chairshot from someone in OVW, who's name escapes me, and while he underwent a cat scan, they found a malignant tumor in his brain. Now let me ask you, how many people were up in arms saying that _______ gave Matt Brain Cancer?
Agree with Nate, this was prolly a preexisting condition I watched the beatdown and more than likely this was in the works before the beatdown.
Also think that the beatdowns look stiff, but then again they are supposed to be overly agressive beatdowns. Protecting your opponent 101 should be the first thing they are taught when they start their training.
Don't think its their fault.
Also think that the beatdowns look stiff, but then again they are supposed to be overly agressive beatdowns. Protecting your opponent 101 should be the first thing they are taught when they start their training.
Don't think its their fault.
FightOwensFight
Formerly Global Conquest
Everyone is talking about how stiff the bumps were. For some reason I just don't see it. With Otunga he slammed him straight on his back, from what I understand the most basic bump to take in that you just throw out your arms and the realease is only a couple feet off the ground. With the clothsline from Sheffield it looked to me that the contact was made between Skip's arm and Steamboat's chest, not his neck or head. As far as the 450 splash from Gabriel, does anyone actually watch how he lands? He lands with his knees hitting the mat on one side of Steamboat and his hands on the the other side. This was the exact same move as on Vince and it looked like he nailed it both times and minimized the impact as much as possible. It is no different than Hardy hitting his Swanton where most of the time he comes down with his feet hitting on the far side of the victim before he lands (thought lit looked like he hit it fully against Abyss last night...ouch), thus breaking most of his momentum but happening so fast at live speed you can't tell.
Very unfortunate for Steamboat.
Right now, Nexus will either lose some big steam since creative will end up walking on eggshells to , or pretty much gain a fuckton of it. That, and the fact that pretty much nothing if working when it comes to the angle. Barrett had visa issues (he cleared them), Danielson got released, and now, Steamboat had an aneurysm after RAW.
My thoughts are with Steamboat. I hope he gets through this.
As for people that are saying it was stiff, I say it wasn't. I was watching it, and pretty much nothing looked stiff, except for that clothesline, but I really doubt it could have been something that did damage.
Right now, Nexus will either lose some big steam since creative will end up walking on eggshells to , or pretty much gain a fuckton of it. That, and the fact that pretty much nothing if working when it comes to the angle. Barrett had visa issues (he cleared them), Danielson got released, and now, Steamboat had an aneurysm after RAW.
My thoughts are with Steamboat. I hope he gets through this.
As for people that are saying it was stiff, I say it wasn't. I was watching it, and pretty much nothing looked stiff, except for that clothesline, but I really doubt it could have been something that did damage.
My thoughts are with Steamboat and his family. I don't know why you are all debating about the Nexus faction when one of the industries greatest performers is in a very serious condition. I knew someone who had a brain anuerysm and he died. There's a low rate of survival if it's not treated fast and even then in all likelihood he won't fully recover. Here's hoping he does though and get's back doing what he loves. I think if he had a problem with the angle he would have said so, he did it because he's a great guy and he want's to put people over. Come on Dragon, pull through!