Remove From The Hall Of Fame

[schaeffershawn]

I love it when these kids have opinions! they're so unfounded. And without any research!
Every single person that people have been naming off has worked for wwf/wwe and has put on an entertaining show....
Pete rose does steroids... so he can't be in the baseball HOF... To bad...
How about this.... you get beat up by kane again and you can join the wrestling HOF...
I don't know where I read this but someone said Pete rose never had a match so he shouldn't be in the HOF.... Let me ask this... It the royal rumble a match? Because Sd! vs Raw 08 says it does!

ok wow i was not even going to comment until i read this, and now I cannot help myself. Do you Know anything about baseball at all. Pete rose is the all time hits leader, no one knows if he did steroids because baseball did not test for them in the 70's and 80's when he played. He can't get into the Baseball hall of Fame because when he was the manager for the Cinncinati Reds he bet on baseball games, including those his team wer playing in. Nothing to do at all with steroids.

 

[hinkey1]

DUSTY RHODES!!!
He is the most undeserving of everyone. The guy couldn't wrestle, couldn't work, and can't book good wrestling (TNA). Rhodes is a fat slob, who only looked good because Ric Flair was in the ring with him. He did his little lisping promos, which apparently were the best in the business............
Yea right LOL.

Him with his little bionic elbow and POKE A DOT gimmick (LOL) shouldn't be anywhere near the hall of fame.

 

[mrstlouis]

DUSTY RHODES!!!
He is the most undeserving of everyone. The guy couldn't wrestle, couldn't work, and can't book good wrestling (TNA). Rhodes is a fat slob, who only looked good because Ric Flair was in the ring with him. He did his little lisping promos, which apparently were the best in the business............
Yea right LOL.

Him with his little bionic elbow and POKE A DOT gimmick (LOL) shouldn't be anywhere near the hall of fame.

this just shows how ignorant you are . dusty rhodes deserves to be in the HOF . dusty could wrestle. dusty rhodes was wrestling along time before flair . flair & rhodes did not meet till NWA .rhodes worked for AWA before NWA . dusty rhodes was part of a tag team with dick murdoch called the outlaws & they were a good tag team . one of the best at the time.dusty rhodes is the reason we had people hogan & rock .so show your ignorance & how old yo uare . becaus are wrong about everything .the poke dot gimmick was vince's idea in WWF,stupid. dusty rhodes is the reason people cut promos today. dusty rhodes can't book wrestling. this just shows how much of idiot you are. dusty rhodes is one of the greatest booker ever . dusty rhodes booked NWA &WCW for over 10 years . dusty rhodes created starcaed,war games ,& great american bash..thius just shows you now nothing about wrerstling or wrestling history at all.
at the time dusty rhodes started & was doing promos he was the best at the time because no else did promos, stupid.dusty rhodes is one of the greatest talker ever & that is fact .so deal with it you ignorant youngster. respect every legend in the hall of fame including dusty rhodes.

 

[mike584]

If anything, get Pete Rose and Lou Perry out of the Hall of Fame. Those motherfuckers were never even wrestlers yet Vince put them in there. And for what? Because Pete will never go to the baseball hall of fame? Cry me a river.

 

[Jed_I_Am12]

Get rid of koko B. ware and pete rose they suck BIGTIME

 

[schaeffershawn]

If Rose and Perry deserve to be in, I would venture one celbrity above all belongs in, Andy Kuafman. The guy worked one of the most heated rivalries in wrestling hgistory and brough alot of mainstream press to Memphis wrestling.

 

[PDepew2181]

Other than Rose and Perry, the weakest HOF entrants, to me, are Koko B. Ware, "Cowboy" Bill Watts, Baron Mikel Scicluna, Johnny Rodz and Tony Atlas.

Hmm. Now that I look at that list, I see a disturbing trend. So let me explain myself by saying Koko was a bit of a Jobber-to-the-Stars, but I always liked him, so I wouldn't remove him. Johnny Rodz was a jobber who happened to become a respected trainer. Not sure if that warrants HOF inclusion. Tony Atlas was really nothing more than a big muscular guy with limited skills, both in the ring and on the mic. He's probably only in because he and Rocky Johnson happened to be the first African-Americans to win the tag titles.

I don't know much about Baron Mikel Scicluna, but from reading on him, he doesn't seem to have the accomplishments that some of those other guys who were inducted in the mid-90's have. He doesn't measure up to Ernie Ladd, Pedro Morales, Jimmy Snuka, Buddy Rogers, Antonino Rocca, Bobo Brazil, Andre the Giant, Killer Kowalski, etc.

Bill Watts, well, I never saw him wrestle but it doesn't seem like he was all that much in the ring. As a promoter, he ran a promotion that went national, failed, and was bought out by a company that also then failed in its bid to go national, and was bought out by a huge corporation that ultimately failed and was bought out by the only major player left standing. Whew! Just because certain guys passed through his promotion doesn't mean that he gets credit for their talent. He also did a poor job of running WCW in 1992-1993. Seems as if he was inducted as a favor to J.R. and nothing more.

 

[travistragic]

Bill Watts is in more for the promoting than the wrestling, and calling Bill Watts a bad promoter because he failed in the end is like calling Napoleon a bad general because of Waterloo.

Lou Perry? Pete Rose on steroids? Maybe we shouldn't call it Sports Entertainment as "sports" apparently isn't our strong point.

I honestly don't think any actual wrestlers should be taken out with the exception of maybe holding off on Koko B. Ware for a few years. He was a great wrestler, but there's plenty of guys in the same time period who deserve it first. Also, I think we should forget about the celebrity wing, that's a joke. Mr. T. doesn't want to be in the same hall of fame as Pete Rose because of religious reasons? Well f* him, it's not like he's getting into any other hall of fames. Trump'll be there eventually, but this is just a silly thank you to celebrities and it should rarely, if ever, be taken to heart. By the token of guys who actually got involved in wrestling, do you think the list would be made stronger by David Arquette and Dennis Rodman? Don't worry about it, guys.

 

[PDepew2181]

Bill Watts is in more for the promoting than the wrestling, and calling Bill Watts a bad promoter because he failed in the end is like calling Napoleon a bad general because of Waterloo.

Maybe you could fill me in, then, on what was so great that Watts accomplished as a promoter, because from my vantage point he didn't accomplish much except fail on competing with the big boys and getting a lot of people upset by pushing his son in WCW and making a lot of racist and sexist comments. What was his big innovation?

 

[JohnCenaSucks316]

Bill Watts booked the first ever one on one full black main event and this is the man who is apparently a racist. But just thought I'd add that little bit of info in.

 

[PDepew2181]

I'm not saying Bill Watts is a racist. I suppose I should have chosen my words a little better and added "supposedly" before saying "racist and sexist comments," so that's my bad. At the same time, just booking two African American wrestlers against each other in a main event doesn't necessarly mean he isn't a racist.

I truly hope the man is not, because then that's a bit of a questionable decision by WWE to induct him. I know what Paul Heyman recently said about him, and I suppose that I'm going off that a little bit. If you also go to Watts' Wikipedia page, it details a supposed incident that infuriated Hank Aaron while Watts was running WCW. The timeline of that incident seems to be debatable, so take it for what you will.

But again I say, booking an all-African American main event is not innovation. It's progress. It would have happened at some point in some territory. I just don't remember Watts contributing much to the business except a lot of old-school mentalities that don't have relevance anymore, like keeping faces and heels separate at all times.

 

[Undercurrent]

[tito santana

bret hart

Further proof that 13 year old's should not be allowed to post in these forums.

 

[Fizzy]

Further proof that you shouldn't be aloud to post on the forum for going completely off topic, and not making a post that even can be considered non-spam.

Anyways my first choice is Pete Rose. The guy had like fucking 2 Wrestlemania appearances and did NOTHING hall of fame worthy in those two appearances. Bullshit it really is.

Another is Koko. The guy was a freaking joke. He came out flapping his arms and with a bird for christ sakes. Sure he was alright in the ring but he was ridiculous, and did nothing Hall of fame worthy, but alas the WWE hall of fame puts him in there for the hell of it.

I could get a few more, but am to tired tonight, and cannot think straight.

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

ummm hello obvisous umm pete rose maybe just maybe....Im a bears fan so i aint dissing my boy fridge ( even though they should of gave walter the ball not him for the td) but really OMG i got tombstoned by Kane sixty billion times wow.....only reason why he's in there is cause he's not in cooperstown

 

[d_henderson1810]

every wrestler you named is more popular then any midcard wrestler today.all the wrestlers in WWF in the 80's were great & better then wrestlers in the 90's & today. JYD ,Tito Santana,Koko B. Ware, George Steele, Don Muraco, & Greg Valentine wre vesy popular in the 80's. i should know i was born in 1978 & have watched wrestling since i was a baby . i saw hogan win the title . wrestling in the 80's was more popular then most people thought . wrestling in the 80's was more popular then today's wrestling . every wrestler in WWf in the 80's is hall of fame worthy. in the 80's WWF"s roster had the best wrestlers in the world anywhere.that is why most of them belong in hall of fame because Vince stole the best wrestlers from everywhere in the 80's. every wrestler you named was a top start somewher esle then WWF . so they do belong in hall of fame.. only the celebrities don't belong.

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You say that most wrestlers in the "80's were HoF worthy, but most at that time , were terrible wrestlers. I have the WM Anthology, and the actual match-quality was poor, relied on matches ending in C.O.'s and DQ's, but people were less discerning, so a crap wrestler like Hulk HOgan can be the greatest thing since sliced bread, eventhough he is one of the WORST in-ring performers ever. Only Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage could compere to Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels and Eddie Guerrero in terms of in-ring performance. Also, Undertaker is a better big-man wrestler than Andre The Giant or "Big " John Studd ever were. I just think that nostalgia gives you "Rose-coloured glasses", and based on today's standards, a lot would be considered the Kozlov or Great Khali of today.

 

[PDepew2181]

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You say that most wrestlers in the "80's were HoF worthy, but most at that time , were terrible wrestlers. I have the WM Anthology, and the actual match-quality was poor, relied on matches ending in C.O.'s and DQ's, but people were less discerning, so a crap wrestler like Hulk HOgan can be the greatest thing since sliced bread, eventhough he is one of the WORST in-ring performers ever. Only Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage could compere to Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels and Eddie Guerrero in terms of in-ring performance. Also, Undertaker is a better big-man wrestler than Andre The Giant or "Big " John Studd ever were. I just think that nostalgia gives you "Rose-coloured glasses", and based on today's standards, a lot would be considered the Kozlov or Great Khali of today.

The simple reason for this is because the '80s was the cartoon era of wrestling. It was more important to have a character than to be a great in-ring worker. That evolved over time to the trend of characters being phased out in favor of workers. Suddenly people wanted to see great performances in the ring instead of seeing the policeman, the giant, the clown, the wild savage, the convict, the African warrior, etc. I think we some of us look back fondly at the '80s we're remembering the characters, not the matches.

Yea, Hulk Hogan wasn't great inside the ring since he could only basically brawl and do a few basic suplexes and slams, but he didn't have to be a great wrestler. He had to be a great personality with a ton of charisma, and that he always was and will be.

You are right about a lot of the early WrestleManias. Most of them are fairly mediocre. Until they stopped getting everyone on the roster a match on the card, you could expect quite a bit of filler. This was every one up until VII, if I recall correctly. Then they started to focus on fewer matches, but making them better overall. The thing is, they still miss on that. I think that the last two WrestleManias have been very mediocre as well, with only 1-2 really good matches on each. So they've still never gotten it quite right.

But back on topic, the point is that every era of a sport should be represented in a HOF and that applies to WWE as well. There will probably be some other guys inducted more for their characters than their ability, but that's just going to be the way it is.

 

[shafe_41]

I think this year's HoF is a perfect example of this. Now I take nothing away from any of the performers that ever graced a WWE ring. In a sense, everybody brings SOMETHING to the table. But to remove someone from the HoF is going to be by one of this year's inductees and everyone probably agrees.

Koko B. Ware- let me just start by saying "are you fking serious?" I've gone through my WM Anthology and SS Anthology straight through over the past year at least once, and I don't even remember him winning a single match. Again, I'm not dissing him, but did he even hold a title? I hate to say it, but was WWE just playing the race card with this "induction?" Sure he had a cool bird and tons of energy... hence probably being part of the team High Energy that I'm not even sure how long that lasted because it couldn't have been long, but did the man do ANYTHING worthy of being in the Hall? Did he do something with like AWA or NWA prior to working with the WWE? Because as I'm not as familiar with those 2 promotions, I can't say for sure myself.

I mean I believe everyone is "in the HoF" for SOME reason and nobody should ever be removed... but who the hell isn't scratching their head with this one?

 

[ImpactPlayer27]

There is absolutely NO WAY that Pete Rose deserves to be in the HOF.

I disagree with the remarks that Junkyard Dog and Koko B. Ware don't deserve to be on it. The hell they don't. There are a lot of notable talent with the exception of William Perry and Pete Rose. Guys like Ernie Ladd, George the Animal Steele, Gorilla Monsoon and more recently the Funks and the Von Erichs. WIth the exception of Pete Rose and the Fridge, I'm fine with every guy they put into the HOF.

But once again, the Fridge and Pete Rose, get them the hell out of the HOF and I swear to god I'll put an axe through the TV if they even think of putting Donald Trump in it or Mickey Rourke (Loved the Wrestler, but come on let's be realistic here.)