Raw's Rating Woes Continue

Quick question, how can live attendance revenue be as good as it's ever been when for the most part shows aren't sold out now? In the Attitude Era for example pretty much every Raw, Smackdown and PPV was sold out. Now most weeks half the upper tier is covered in black to try and hide the fact that the seats haven't been sold.

There was a picture last week on the main WrestleZone site from the Smackdown/Nxt taping that showed pretty much half the arena tarped off, not just the upper tier either.

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You run more shows, you charge more for the shows, you run shows in different countries (which they didn't use to do). There are ways to expand your business without requiring attracting more people to it. All of this information can be found in the WWE's SEC filings. Or you can just trust me, and view the information I've gathered from said filings and posted in the General Wrestling forum.
Buyrates have nothing to do with revenue? since WHEN?

Your post violates our spam rules and will be deleted, but I will answer it anyways, as it is a fair question.

The WWE doesn't charge the same amount of money for every PPV they've ever had. They raise the prices on PPVs every couple of years, whenever they think they can maximize their profits.

So when you're comparing buyrates of shows that cost $34.95 to shows that now cost $44.95, it's not really a fair comparison, because 200,000 buys at $45 will make a profit gain of $2.3 million over 220,000 buys at $35.

You have to look at the revenue that's generated from the PPV, not the number of people who bought it. As the price goes up, less people will be willing to pay, but those who are willing to pay might cover the costs for those who aren't. It's Economics 101.
 
Jees people give it a rest. the nielson ratings are in the back pockets of disney in the first place. do you really think they are gonna show better numbers then disney owned channels even if the numbers were better(not saying they were just saying nielson is bull to start with). The season finals of Closer and Rizzoli & Isles last night had more viewers on thier second running replays then MNF but nielson doesnt count those in thier rating reviews. TNT shows in general have had more viewers then the "big 4" NBC.CBS,FOX,ABC channels for the last few years with "Closer" "Rizzoli& Isles" "Leverage" and the awesome "Falling Skies" but besides "Closer" 2 years ago they get no recognition. HHH has some expectations that i think are out of reach saying he wants to get back to attitude era ratings of 6-7s. this just aint possible with how many channels there are to chose from and dvr and gaming as big as it is today. people just chose to do what they want when they want more nowadays. I do think that a some of the storylines are moving in a better direction since the HHH COO part and hope they dont end that with a Nash run-in at PPV. I like the fact they are giving guys a chance to sink or swim on thier own on mic like they did with SCSA and ROCK and in ring and think Del-Rios days are #ed because of just that as well as Barret and a few others. With a name change on the way Joe Henning looks to be stepping up while Otunga looks to be headed back to FCW. Hope they dont give Miz/Truth the Tag belts, like Miz on mic not truth and like Bourne/Kofi as tag champs dont care for name to much, thought Bourne Trouble or Air Paridise would of been better. Air Boom comes off a little 9/11 ish to me but maybe its just because of the annaversary was right at same time they formed idk. I still like brand seperation and it needs to be reformed. WWE/US/Divas on Raw, World/IC/Cruiserwieght on Smackdown with Tag Titles made Gold again and on both shows. They have some really great wrestlers who can make great Cruise matches that cant legitamitly compete with heavys. Make the opening low and mid-card matches matter again to keep us in our seats instead of flipping channels or going to bathroom while we wait for the one good match at end of the night. another idea for the Cruiserwieghts is get rid of Superstars and bring back ECW but call it Extreme CruiserWieghts, sort of stealing the only good idea TNA has had the x-division.
 
WWE expected this I'm sure as the NFL season started again. Not to mention their new Champ is not getting over AT ALL!!! RAW I saw little to no reaction to ADL until Brett came out. As much as I'm not a Cena fan, they need to have him champ again until they can either have Punk and he go at it again or create a new contender. ABL needs to go back to Smackdown.
 
From a storyline perspective, i would say that the only reason Raw hasent been hovering around 2.5 for Raw the last couple of years has been because of John Cena. I am not a fan but i can admit he has had some appeal, not to the same extent as that of Austin or Rock, but that still does not mean he does not have some appeal.

And therein lies the problem, i think his run as a face is over. He is once again fighting a chicken**** heel, who ofcourse is using his butler/friend/manager/ring announcer to do his dirty work, he says the same things all the other WWE heels have been saying "I AM THE WWE CHAMPION!" to mild boos and "I AM THE GREATEST OF THE GREAT!" ie another tired, scripted promo that allows ADR to have as much of a personality as my doorknob. You could put Miz, Swagger, Ziggler, Drew or anyone in his spot, and they would say the exact same thing in the same monotone "i am kinda bored with this job but they pay well" voice.

Its 101 Cena feud, its not that the IWC can predict it, its that 16 year old boys who play Call of Duty could probably predict the entire feud with almost 100% precision, ie kids who have followed wrestling for maybe 4-5 years tops. We arent even talking about those of us on the "internetz".

I shouldnt even need to say it, because it is standard wrestling booking that you turn a guy who has gotten stale. John Cena could not look more like Hulk Hogan in WCW mid 90's if he tried.


Anyone remember 2002-2004? When things cooled off and ratings dived to the 3.0-3.5s that has been the standard since? Remember all the "smart people" who were talking about a wrestling cycle? Yea, remember that term? Guess what, there is no cycle, your casual viewer will watch when the product is good, when they have characters they can relate to, if there is no such thing then they simply will not watch. Who can honestly say that HBK, Bret, Diesel, Vader etc had the same amount of appeal to the mainstream as the likes of Hulk Hogan, Savage, Andre? We arent talking wrestling talent, we are talking appeal, the it factor.

How can we honestly sit here and say todays stars even have the appeal of HBK and Bret, let alone in the golden era of wrestling or attitude to your average casual viewer??

Again forget 40 minute 4 star matches, Kenta Kobashi classics, we are talking strictly appeal, the it factor that makes your average person tune in to watch wrestling, we dont have that today and havent had it for years. We have another storyline (Punk vs Cena) that was at the end horribly ruined just like Nexus, just like Alliance, nWo, Goldberg, Steiner, dear god it has become a tradition to take something promising and just drop the ball.


Hopefully this forces them to do something drastic, i dont care what it is, but anything is welcome.

Everything you just read in this post, you have goddamn read it about 2000000x times, it has been said much better than i can ever articulate it, but perhaps it has been said so many times because there is some truth to it. I do not claim to be smarter than Vince McMahon, nor do any of us claim that, we dont really know how to fix the ratings but we do know, much better than Vince McMahon and any top brass in WWE what we actually want to watch and it sure as hell isent Raw.

I am from Europe, and i still rather watch NFL than Raw, despite not knowing anything about it, it still looks more interesting, the cheerleaders are hot..i guess? That is a stark contrast to a time when pro wrestling (WCW, WWF) was must see TV, meaning anything that came on was second to those shows at that time.
 
WWE is still making a ton of profit, which is their only goal. I think the problem is everything gets compared to the Attitude Era. Its like comparing music sales 10-15 years ago to today, its kind of silly. The economy has changed. People are watching online. Their are more illegal streams etc etc.

I remember when Over the limit buyrates came out. The big headline was that the buyrates dropped. But people are forgetting they still made money off that ppv. Plus, Extreme Rules did very well only a couple of weeks before that. If you look at it in the big picture between ER and OTL that is a lot of money they made in the month of May.
 
They are making the same mistakes they always make. Something goes over and they beat it to death, Punk's initial worked shoot was good, but that was it. This idea that I am now supposed to believe everything he says is a shoot is lame.

The company would have been better off if he stayed fired for at least 90 days and showed up at PPVs and ran in on matches, at least then I would have a reason to watch. But having Nash come in as an outsider, yes pun intended and attack Punk who they were pushing as someone anti-establishment was just stupid and made no sense.

The stories are stupid, no matter what happens between Cena and Del Rio, I know he is headed to a feud with the Rock so why would I care about this action.
Most of the workers are spot monkeys who have no idea how to tell a story, and if I see Orton or Cena with the belt one more time I may stop watching altogether.
 
I tried watching RAW last night but it was incredibly boring. The first segment with Alberto talking AGAIN instead of wrestling turned me off the whole show. I love Bret (being a fellow Canadian) but him getting involved for NO reason was predictable. Yes, he was there to get a few cheers from Canadians but there was no reason for him to be involved.
I knew there was going to be YET AGAIN another in ring segment between Triple H and Punk. Instead of an actual wrestling match or fight, we see them talking. It was alright the first few times, but seeing them doing nothing but taunt each other isn't entertaining.
The poor ratings reflect a poor showing.

Also, the idea of 'ending' the brand extension was to show the stars from the other show. Instead we're seeing Sheamus every week instead of anyone else. Count me in with the disappointed.
 
No, what's misleading is the idea that numbers equal success. You say you're not concerned with profits, the problem with that is the WWE IS concerned with profits. When they set the prices on their goods and products, they do it according to what will make them the most amount of money, not what will attract the most number of people.

So when you post all these buyrates you are about to post, it means absolutely nothing. If the WWE lowered their PPV price from $45 to $20, I bet they could increase PPV buys by nearly a 1/3rd, if not more. But what good is that, if it costs you money? If you were a juggler, and charged admission to your show, would you charge 7 people $2, or 5 people $5?

That's great, it took you 5 minutes to find it? Here, I'll help you shorten that time:

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=145691

There, now you can have access to all sorts of wrestling information, and it's never more than a few mouse clicks away. Of course, since buyrates have absolutely nothing to do with revenue, I'm not really sure what your point is.

Ahh, so you did find the thread. Great. Do me a favor and look at the WWE's revenue, and tell me what you find. If you would like, I can upload a new batch of files to include WWE's profits, which are the greatest they've been since the Attitude Era. Just let me know.

Ratings are such an imperfect measure of success for a wrestling company, unless you understand all the other factors that go into them. If this was 1999, Monday Night Raw would probably be pulling a 4.5 rating right now, maybe higher. Go back and look at Saturday Night's Main Event ratings, and you'll see some 10.x ratings. You really think that many more people watch SNME? Of course not, just a higher percentage that had their television on at that time did. Of course, when there's only 30 channels (if that many), you're much more likely to get a better rating.

Ratings have been fairly consistent since 2002. Average yearly ratings from 2002 until June of 2007 were between the 3.7 and 4.0 mark. Average yearly ratings from June 2007 until 2010 (2011 isn't finished yet) have been roughly a 3.3. June 2007, of course, is when Chris Benoit made national news.

Go ahead and look, use the spreadsheet of information I provided. I include average ratings at the bottom. You'll see that I'm right.

I have no idea, but I do know that you were trying to make a point by using misleading and/or false information.

If you look at financial records, the answer is yes. If you look at live attendance is probably. "Better" is a relative term, which can only be measured by how the company meets its goals, and the WWE's goals are to make the most money possible. And in a time when the economy has been slumping for years, unemployment in the US is between 9 and 10%, when the poverty level in the country is at 15% (according to another thread on here), and when the disparity of wealth between the rich and poor is as great as it's ever been, the fact the WWE pulled the greatest profit since the Attitude Era would suggest that, no, the WWE wasn't a better product 5 years ago. And considering 2001 and 2002 (ten years ago) were the years the WWE went from the 5.6 TV rating they did in Januray of '01 to the 3.3 they did at the end of '02, I would argue that, no, ten years ago probably wasn't much better than they are today.


And again, I wish to point out how narrow of a view that is, because number of people is not what the WWE strives to maximize. They try to maximize revenue, or more accurately profit, not number of people. So with fairly constant ratings, fairly constant PPV revenue, and increasing company revenue and profit, there's really no way you can say the WWE is doing poorly.

I got your point about sales and net income. Of course, Vince would care about the profit not number of people who is following WWE. Obviously high numbers following WWE won't hurt either but any company's main goal would be increasing it's profits, not increasing number of people watching. You can increase revenue by doing more house shows, expand your business by producing movies, selling merchandise online worldwide, and selling online videos and live streaming. However, even if you are not doing well, you would expect net income to be increased by 35-40% comparing to 99, because of inflation. And that is, if your sales did not increase one bit. If your sales really increased, you should achieve even higher net income figures. And these are with all the downturn of the economy being included into the equation. I am not saying WWE is not doing well, but even the profit side of it is not the brightest comparing to what it had been doing.
This is all the profit part, though. Would Vince care about it? Absolutely! Would I? Not necessarily, as long as their budget stays healthy enough to run a good wrestling show. What I would care is the quality of that wrestling show, the quality of Monday Night Raw. A show which saw over 10 million people watching an episode, a show that sold out arenas week after week, a show that would switch over “600,000 sitting butts” from one channel to another at once. When you go from those heights to 3-4 million watching your A show, half empty arenas, and 1500 people attending your B show, it means something along somewhere must have gone wrong.
As for the ratings, below is the average of yearly raw ratings from 1999 to 2010. As can be seen, it went from 6 to 5's then 4's then high 3's and then low 3's. If there is a trend, the trend is not up, not even steady, it's down.

6.07 1999
5.87 2000
4.64 2001
4.03 2002
3.78 2003
3.69 2004
3.82 2005
3.90 2006
3.61 2007
3.27 2008
3.59 2009
3.28 2010


I know you can’t compare Monday Night Raw ratings with Saturday Night Live ratings, that comparing apples with oranges, for many reasons, as you said. I also understand that each rating should be considered in it’s own merit. Number of TV stations, people watching from internet streams, age group of viewers’ etc etc can all affect the rating from different years. Actually you can add on by saying US is an aging population so the number of people getting old and not watching WWE will not be offset by the number of children who just started watching WWE. But still, a figure is a figure and an indication, although not the whole story, about how good the quality of the program is.

The bottom line is, all these reasons will not change the fact, and it is a fact not an opinion, that there are people who simply don’t watch the show anymore and became more casual fans because of the show’s diminishing quality. You can make all the reasons that you want but it won’t change the fact that the show went from being watched by 10 million people in an episode and sold out arenas week after week, to a show not filling half of the arena and 3-4 million people watching it on TV. I might not be a good arguer, I might not even defend my idea well, but if milk is white and you end up proving it to be black, you will be right but the milk will stay white.
 
I got your point about sales and net income. Of course, Vince would care about the profit not number of people who is following WWE. Obviously high numbers following WWE won't hurt either but any company's main goal would be increasing it's profits, not increasing number of people watching. You can increase revenue by doing more house shows, expand your business by producing movies, selling merchandise online worldwide, and selling online videos and live streaming. However, even if you are not doing well, you would expect net income to be increased by 35-40% comparing to 99, because of inflation. And that is, if your sales did not increase one bit. If your sales really increased, you should achieve even higher net income figures. And these are with all the downturn of the economy being included into the equation. I am not saying WWE is not doing well, but even the profit side of it is not the brightest comparing to what it had been doing.
This is all the profit part, though. Would Vince care about it? Absolutely! Would I? Not necessarily, as long as their budget stays healthy enough to run a good wrestling show. What I would care is the quality of that wrestling show, the quality of Monday Night Raw. A show which saw over 10 million people watching an episode, a show that sold out arenas week after week, a show that would switch over “600,000 sitting butts” from one channel to another at once. When you go from those heights to 3-4 million watching your A show, half empty arenas, and 1500 people attending your B show, it means something along somewhere must have gone wrong.
No one is arguing the current product is as popular as the Attitude Era (though I WOULD argue the pro wrestling aspect of the business is far better...but that's for another thread). However, as I pointed out, you can just take a single look at numbers, and then say the WWE is doing poorly, because the truth is there is far more behind those numbers than a first glance.


As for the ratings, below is the average of yearly raw ratings from 1999 to 2010. As can be seen, it went from 6 to 5's then 4's then high 3's and then low 3's. If there is a trend, the trend is not up, not even steady, it's down.

6.07 1999
5.87 2000
4.64 2001
4.03 2002
3.78 2003
3.69 2004
3.82 2005
3.90 2006
3.61 2007
3.27 2008
3.59 2009
3.28 2010
And, as I said in my last post to you, there's far more there than just meets the eye.

For example, ten years ago, in January of 2001, Raw was doing mid 5s...by the end of 2002, they were doing mid-to-low threes. Would it not make MORE sense to say that 2001 and 2002 must have been a terrible year in terms of quality, and that the WWE has done better since then, considering the growth of every other aspect of their business? Furthermore, I pointed out the average rating from 2003 to the summer of 2007 averaged around a 4.0, until Chris Benoit murdered his family, at which point the second half of 2007 did a 3.3 average rating, which is where it has stayed ever since.

When you see such a large dip in ratings right after such a big time, newsworthy event, how can you sit there and say it's the quality of the show that has caused it to lose ratings? The Chris Benoit double murder-suicide, and the subsequent steroid scandal a month later absolutely crippled the WWE. They're still trying to recover.

The fact is they've basically kept their audience since that event. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, but they've been pretty consistent. How can you tell me today's product is inferior, when it was 2001 and 2002 which saw the massive drops in ratings, and it was Chris Benoit which crippled the company in 2007?

Like I said, you cannot just look at numbers and make such statements, without looking at all the other factors which are involved.

But still, a figure is a figure and an indication, although not the whole story, about how good the quality of the program is.
Ratings aren't magic numbers. You can't put 3 weeks of shows together and expect to see a rise from a 3.3 to a 5.0. It just doesn't happen that way. Sure, the Attitude Era was the exception, but it wasn't the rule.

The fact is the WWE is maintaining it's audience, and with the exception of the Benoit murders, they've maintained their audience for 10 years. They're regularly in the Top 5 every Monday night for cable ratings, and in the Top 20 for the week. Raw is one of the most watched cable TV shows, and has been for over ten years now.

The WWE is doing just fine with their quality.

The bottom line is, all these reasons will not change the fact, and it is a fact not an opinion, that there are people who simply don’t watch the show anymore and became more casual fans because of the show’s diminishing quality.
Not at all. Do me a favor, ignore the Attitude Era for just a moment. If you remove the Attitude Era, the years from 1998-2001, are the WWE's ratings any different now than they have ever been? Outside of the time when Austin and Rock were setting the world on fire, is there any difference in the WWE's ratings? The answer is no.

Now, let's discuss the Attitude Era for a second. The Attitude Era wasn't popular because of it's pro wrestling promoting. It was popular because of the Jerry Springer mentality, and because Austin and Rock were very very good. Once the envelope could no longer be pushed, and once Austin and Rock were no longer full-time workers, pro wrestling settled right back to where it had been for a decade before the Attitude Era.

You can make all the reasons that you want but it won’t change the fact that the show went from being watched by 10 million people in an episode and sold out arenas week after week, to a show not filling half of the arena and 3-4 million people watching it on TV. I might not be a good arguer, I might not even defend my idea well, but if milk is white and you end up proving it to be black, you will be right but the milk will stay white.
Eggs are white too...well, sometimes, depends if you get the store bought eggs, or if you get them from your own farm chickens. If you buy white eggs and I raise my own eggs, it won't change the fact they are both eggs, right? That's what you're arguing, an egg is an egg.

Of course, that doesn't really tell the whole story, now does it? It doesn't tell you that supermarket eggs come from chickens pumped full of chemicals and chickens which are crowded together in cages to the point they can't even move. It doesn't tell you supermarket eggs come from chickens which are generally unhealthy. It doesn't tell you my homegrown eggs come from healthy chickens, that are cared for and loved, which get plenty of exercise and have plenty of freedom. It doesn't tell you my eggs are much fresher than yours, and much less likely to cause me illness.

Milk is white and so are eggs, unfortunately there's just so much more you should know before simply saying an egg is an egg...or that we should take certain business numbers at face value.
 
While vince and the wwe im sure care about the ratings i don't think they care much to make them start freaking out.If they did then they better start proving it cuz raw for last couple months has been extremely hard to watch.Hopefully when the rock returns at survivor series things will start to become more entertaining.
 
I don't study Raw's ratings during football season, unless they start fucking Kelly Kelly and Maryse in the ass on television, they'll never beat Monday Night Football. Then again, I can download porn so it would only work for a week.
 
The people on this site are simply unreal. After MITB and SS everyone was praising the product and praising Punk now the product has been horrible and unwatchable for months? Doesn't make sense to me. As said thousands of times before on here ratings are not going to ever be like they were in the Attitude Era. Too much other stuff to pick from and the invention of DVR and TIVO If you are a football fan and the choice is football or wrestling live you are going to watch football and tape wrestling because football is much better live. Which leads to higher DVR ratings.

A product is not defined by ratings. Sure the NOC build has been weak and a step back but to call the last 3 months unwatchable you are not a wrestling fan. MITB and SS build and PPVS were probably the best 2 or 3 months of pro wrestling in the last 3 or 4 years.

Show some patience the product is in transformation a bit right now. The tag division and Divas division are both heading in the right direction. The supershow idea has potential (even though it isn't being done great right now) . With the Rock coming back and the other possible things happening going into WM 28 the ratings should take off around mid January and the product should be very good.

Too many fans with pessimistic approaches on here. Every low rating they want to scream the sky is falling or one arena has a bad attendance number and everyone is in panic mode.
 
What was their position? I don't give a fuck about the number they get in the ratings.

Think of it like this:

10 years ago you open up an awesome steak restaurant. You get 75% market share, the most visited steak restaurant.
8 years ago, another steak restaurant opens, share gets cut to 55%, but you're still the most visited.
5 years ago, there are a ton of steak restaurants, and you only have 35% share, but you are still the most visited (the other 20 restaurants split the 65%).
Last year word got out how to cook your recipes. Now people are making the steaks "for free" at their house. So now not only do you only get 35% share, but now there are even less customers overall. However, you're still the most visited steak restaurant.

That's essentially what's happened with the WWE. With more channels, more entertainment options with the net, more ways to watch for free, it's downright idiotic to even consider saying "7 years ago this number would never happen".
 
Ratings are what sells a show and YES they do mean everything and.... wwe's ratings currently are terrible.

Secondly and most important is the FACT that WWE has had THREE shows pulled from telivision over the past two years (or so) ECW, NXT and superstars...

They ARE NOT DOING WELL. The studio division is absolutely horrendous and I predict will no doubt be stopped fairly soon.

How many live shows have been cancelled this year? Exactly. How has their ticket sales been?

How is their stock selling? LOL

The only thing I like about WWE today is 24/7 classics and the release of OLD STARS DVD's.. New guys absolutely suck.. In ten years, WWE will be supported by the golden years dvd's remakes..NOT the dvd's of guys from 03 or so on (except angle)..
 
Yeah, Raw took a beating this week, but I'm going to pretend it's all the fault of Monday Night Football. Even I, a dedicated wrestling fan, turned the channel more than once to watch the game. It didn't help that Raw was pretty terrible until the final segment, which probably drew the most viewers.

I think you take away MNF and you're left with the same average Raw has been getting for the past several years. I try not to worry too much about ratings, because it's been around 3.0 give or take .5 in either direction for years now. One good week cancels out one bad week, and honestly there are so many fans that watch the show online, on streams (legal or illegal), or watch with a friend. None of those things are really taken into account, and the ratings have just never been accurate enough in my mind to worry about. They are a nice system to see how Raw is doing against other shows in the same time slot, but I don't think you should worry too much regardless.
 
Ratings are what sells a show and YES they do mean everything and.... wwe's ratings currently are terrible.

Secondly and most important is the FACT that WWE has had THREE shows pulled from telivision over the past two years (or so) ECW, NXT and superstars...

They ARE NOT DOING WELL. The studio division is absolutely horrendous and I predict will no doubt be stopped fairly soon.

How many live shows have been cancelled this year? Exactly. How has their ticket sales been?

How is their stock selling? LOL

The only thing I like about WWE today is 24/7 classics and the release of OLD STARS DVD's.. New guys absolutely suck.. In ten years, WWE will be supported by the golden years dvd's remakes..NOT the dvd's of guys from 03 or so on (except angle)..
No they aren't terrible you fucktard. It's not the NUMBER that they look at, it's the POSITION. If you are first with just 35 channels, and your rating is 7, that's great. If you are first with 200 channels, and your rating is 3, that's ALSO great.

They had 3 TV shows pulled....they also STILL have more hours per week than any non-news show. They also STILL are number 1 in their timeslots for Raw and Smackdown. Some shit analysis there. Selective and shitty. What's your education level? High school?

They ARE doing well, how much did they make last quarter? LOL

How is any stock selling? LOL you don't know anything about the stock market. CAT is one of the best companies in the world, certainly the best in their industry, but they took a hit just like every other fucking stock. How a stock is doing reflects the general traders' opinions of the volatility of the market as much as it reflects the general traders' opinions of the company. Stock, in the short run, reflects supply and demand. Less people are demanding stocks now because there is panic. All stocks are down.

Funny how at the end, your world class analysis ends with you talking about your opinion. Good job, because your opinion matters, not statistics (and accurate analysis of those statistics).
 
wow ratings continue to slide when cena is champion i guess even the little jimmys even know when someone is shoved down our throats!

alberto has to win the title and yes the ratings will fall a bit but you have to take the risk if you want to devolope newer top stars and if you give punk the title yes the ratings will rise a bit but it will ruin his fued
 

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