Raw 11/19/12 LD- One Year Later...

[Bernkastel]

Better hope it's regular rules because I believe Orton proceeded to squash Kane in a street fight and Falls Count Anywhere matches right after that.

That shows that he has to use weapons to beat him and can't get the job done in a normal match.

 

[Awesome_Miz]

Weed! You can't have a celebration without weed or sex. But, Punk is SXE.

 

[The Brain]

Amazing how Raw and MNF are always at commercial at the same time.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

That shows that he has to use weapons to beat him and can't get the job done in a normal match.

Which would prove he can only get it done in a normal rules match because if Orton has the use of weapons then much like the multiple street fights they've had, he's just an RKO on the steel chair away from winning.

 

[smizzy]

Good luck topping Edge and Lita's celebration.

Never say never.
Punk is dating Lita ya know.

 

[Bernkastel]

Which would prove he can only get it done in a normal rules match because if Orton has the use of weapons then much like the multiple street fights they've had, he's just an RKO on the steel chair away from winning.

Even against prime Kane, the guy who brutalized Mick Foley and defeated Stone Cold during the height of his popularity? Doubtfully.

 

[Awesome_Miz]

Yes! My fav one, dawg!

 

[Tattooed Jesus]

Never say never.
Punk is dating Lita ya know.

True indeed!

 

[a7xoff]

Never say never.
Punk is dating Lita ya know.

I'd mark out big time! Miss Lita =/ she was my favorite Diva. Her and Edge knew what a party was...

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Even against prime Kane, the guy who brutalized Mick Foley and defeated Stone Cold during the height of his popularity? Doubtfully.

Argument can be made that a not even in his prime 2004 Orton brutalized Foley in a street fight and has beaten Triple H in extreme rules scenarios.

 

[Tattooed Jesus]

Man this match sucks, but Otunga is in it so thats no surprise really.

 

[The_Reptile_]

The fact that Otunga is beating Miz's ass is having the opposite effect from what was probably intended.

 

[The Brain]

The fact that Otunga is beating Miz's ass is having the opposite effect from what was probably intended.

I think it was done to build sympathy for Miz putting him in an underdog position before he makes the comeback as he slowly turns face. Seems to be working.

 

[Bernkastel]

Argument can be made that a not even in his prime 2004 Orton brutalized Foley in a street fight and has beaten Triple H in extreme rules scenarios.

But neither of those guys were Stone Cold. What's it say about Orton when a past his prime Kane was booked over him in the biggest show of the year?

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

But neither of those guys were Stone Cold. What's it say about Orton when a past his prime Kane was booked over him in the biggest show of the year?

Good point but besides that cheap first blood victory has Kane ever pinned Austin in hardcore rules? Orton has done more than Kane regardless of the loss. I just don't see the argument holding up in the tournament unless it's normal rules.

 

[a7xoff]

This whole Ryback thing needs more Lesnar for no reason.

 

[Awesome_Miz]

Good point but besides that cheap first blood victory has Kane ever pinned Austin in hardcore rules? Orton has done more than Kane regardless of the loss. I just don't see the argument holding up in the tournament unless it's normal rules.

Kane has won the WWE Title, World Title, and (went it was sort of relevant) ECW Title.

 

[BaconBits]

This whole Ryback thing needs more Lesnar for no reason.

Yep. The WWE in general needs more Lesnar.




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[Awesome_Miz]

Doesn't Sheamus have that no touching WWE official thing in his contract?

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Kane has won the WWE Title, World Title, and (went it was sort of relevant) ECW Title.

1.)Held it for one day
2.)Nowhere near as important as the reigns Orton has had
3.)Was less important than the tag team titles when it was around.

 

[Awesome_Miz]

1.)Held it for one day
2.)Nowhere near as important as the reigns Orton has had
3.)Was less important than the tag team titles when it was around.

Still world titles no matter what. Remember when Kane debuted? Yeah that Kane can win easily against any year of Orton.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Still world titles no matter what. Remember when Kane debuted? Yeah that Kane can win easily against any year of Orton.

None of them mean as much as what Orton's accomplished. That same Kane was soon defeated by Austin and Taker and still lost the World title a mere 24 hours after cheaply winning it. Orton would beat Kane, just like he has the multitude of times before.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

I wonder what Team Hell No does until Rhodes is back.

 

[Bernkastel]

1.)Held it for one day
2.)Nowhere near as important as the reigns Orton has had
3.)Was less important than the tag team titles when it was around.

Actually that reign was extremely important. Even though it only lasted for a day, Kane dethroned the second most popular face in WWE history during the man's prime. Many of Orton's were as forgettable as Edge's.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Actually that reign was extremely viable. Even though it only lasted for a day, Kane dethroned the second most popular face in WWE history during the man's prime. Many of Orton's were as forgettable as Edge's.

Orton dethroned Cena. Yeah you can try making the Cena's no Austin comparison but for the time period that's the biggest thing you can do, and that reign was more than 24 hours and he actually pinned Cena and didn't just bust him open.