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Randy Orton: He deserves WrestleMania!!

Forgetting about his indiscretions for a minute, Orton is deserving to headline wrestlemania. He's been getting better at his promos, he's one of the best in ring in Wwe right now and I love how he interacts with the crowd (I loved his reaction to the top roe DDT last night).
I think he will be beaten by Batista and if that involves a gimmick change, I'd love him to snap and go around punting everyone again:p
 
He is the first ever WWE World Heavyweight Champion and has achieve a lot. I'm not sure he need to be in the main-event. He should, absolutely.

Him walking out of Mania is Champ simply won't happen. Batista has won the Rumble and has a movie to promote. If they were to ever change their mind then it would be for Bryan. Orton has effectively been champ for 5 months and his time is up at Mania.

I'm really not excited for Batista to be champ. I'd much rather see Orton. Randy is the best he has ever been - in the ring and on the mic. Batista is a decent superstar but not as good as Orton.

It's a shame that Orton is probably going to drop his belt. I'm worried what happens after. He will probably get a rematch with Batsita (presuming he wins) at Extreme Rules and then what. A feud with one of The Shield guys, Big E, Cody are all options but I'm enjoying his title run so much that I don't want to see it end. Especially at the expense of Batista.
 
So Orton deserves to main-event WM this year because he's doing a great job as a heel champ yet Punk didn't deserve it last year when he was a heel champ heading to WM? I get that Orton deserves it or whatever but I don't think they should ignore the fact that people want to see Daniel Bryan in the main event at WM. Give us a triple threat or a fatal 4 way if you have to.
 
Most people in here have been praising the likes of Daniel Bryan for sometime now, and have been bashing every single guy that stood in his way to the top, like little marks worked by the WWE - and completely neglected the fact that Randy Orton is the most consistent and solid performer the WWE has right now.

I know I'm going to sound biased in here given my signature, but to be fair, I'm just going to tell the truth. Since January 2013 until now, Randy Orton has had over 100 matches on television alone - matches that we may very well remember with the likes of Antonio Cesaro, Damien Sandow, Sheamus, The Big Show, Jack Swagger, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, The Miz, The Shield, Kofi Kingston, Big E. Langston and pretty much everyone on the roster. One thing those matches have in common is the ability to improve a show overall, because one thing is guaranteed, which is a good solid match, regardless of the opponent WWE puts up against the current WWE World Heavyweight Champion.

Now I think people forget the fact that Randy Orton has been with the WWE for 12 years, give it or take it. If we take out his injuries and his suspensions, he's been with the WWE for at least 10 years non-stop delivering on television, house-shows and most likely in high profile match-ups that take his tool on the human body. However, for some ridiculous reason, I read people's opinion of how he does not deserve it, because he's:

a) been handed everything, because he's friends with Triple H;
b) a douchebag;
c) boring and can't talk;
d) overrated.


Yet after 12 years being in the top 5 biggest stars of the company, year after year, I start to roll my eyes each time I read a comment about any of those subjects. WWE is a mega corporation, where Randy Orton is a valuable asset. There is no such thing as "friends" in the business world, specially not in the current WWE's world. If you're so bad, how can one maintain such a big position in said company? Clearly people don't like him, yet he keeps on getting pushed and that right there is a flaw in some highly regarded opinions like Mark Madden's for instance.

Now I don't want to take anything away from Daniel Bryan and Batista, who are clearly two strong contenders to close the show - but Daniel Bryan's logic that he's a workhorse more so than any others because he came from the independents is dumb. Randy Orton is in a mega competitive environment for over 10 years, working his butt as much or, most likely even more than Daniel Bryan to maintain his status in the company, because being friends with Triple H is one thing, being an average talented dumbass like Jack Swagger is another. Batista doesn't need to prove anything to deserve a big match in WrestleMania, he's clearly a big star in the wrestling world around the globe and he's paid his dues a long time ago, and he did indeed main evented WrestleMania before in a more than okay match and in a high profile feud.

But the fact of the matter is that regardless of Batista or Daniel Bryan - Randy Orton should have his main event spot guaranteed and, it doesn't seem so as of right now to be the case, with already three clean losses in less than a month and with a high probability that he'll end up fighting Batista one on one, while Daniel Bryan and HHH close the show, or better yet, Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker. I just think I should get it out there. It's a disrespect for such a consistent workhorse to not be given an opportunity to close the show and have at least a WrestleMania moment, that isn't a loss to Undertaker or Triple H in a very early stage of his career and in one of the worst booking decisions in the past 10 years respectively. So, thoughts....

I completely understand where you're coming from. I agree that Orton is one of the most consistent main event players. He deserves every achievement he's had.

I don't think people are against Orton being in the main event of Wrestlemania. It's the booking which has really been bad. More than that, it's his program with Batista which has irked a lot of fans. Batista is a shell of his former self and I don't know how many people are really thrilled to see Batista vs Orton close one of the most important Wrestlemanias. His booking has been lackluster and his clean losses to Cena and Bryan (and Kofi) haven't helped him either. He's a champion who is going into the EC with almost zero momentum. Orton has been the third wheel of a story about authority and Bryan. It's almost like Orton was replaceable in this story.

If they really want Orton to main event this Mania, they have to book him stronger. Batista's presence would not help his cause either. I can see people crapping all over their match at this Mania. It's not Orton though. He is just the victim of the situation.
 
I like Randy, but I don't want him in the main event or even the title match. Those matches should be for the top entertainers...he's not in my opinion (and obviously a lot of others who chant boring across the country). He's very good in the ring, but like many have already said, his gimmick is stale.

I like how he's trying to improve it by shouting at the crowd and acting like he's going crazy and attacking Cena's dad after snapping from crowd reactions. I dig all that, but I honestly feel it's too little too late. He needs to do a lot more IMO to get that top spot. The fact that Batista isn't exactly a top guy on the mic either makes the though of them two in a fued unbearable for me.

I'm not interested at all in a triple threat. I (like Jim Ross) believe in a traditional singles match main event at Mania. I would settle however for a fatal four way elimination because it would end up with 2 facing off.

It sucks that all the scenarios I was in favor of are seemingly out of the picture...and that's what kills it for me the most. I would've been happy with Cena vs Punk for the title as they were the two best in the biz. Brock vs Batista for the strap too. Even Bryan vs Brock or Batista or Punk for the title. Punk vs Batista would've been cool just the same. There was so many possibilities but we are going to get stuck with Orton vs Batista or DB thrown in for a triple threat.

I pray Brock vs Taker is called off so we can have him take on Batista since that's the only match of my preference still left as a possibility. I just want Orton out of it, I'm sorry. I'm not sure but I think there may be a reason that he's been in 2 triple threat Mania title matches before...I just don't think he's a draw in a Mania main event singles match unless the story was really really good...which I think was the case when he took on HHH in 09'.
 
Randy Orton definitely deserves WrestleMania. This is a guy who, between 2007-2009 was the best heel in the business, and between 2010-early 2011 was the most popular face. He's proven that he's the ultimate professional in the ring, and whilst there's questions as to whether he's a good guy behind the scenes, he always conducts himself well when performing. I agree with most that his face run, after dropping the WWE Championship to Miz, stagnated and slowly became more and more stale.

In my opinion, Randy Orton paid his dues during 2011, 2012 and the beginning of 2013. He put over The Miz, Christian, Mark Henry, Wade Barrett (as well as Cody Rhodes to an extent), Kane, Dolph Ziggler, The Shield, and, to an extent, Daniel Bryan. He deserved the heel turn and WWE WHC run. The WWE really only gave him a couple of interesting storylines, and it hurt his character. Even when they rewarded him, they've still managed to stuff around the bloody storyline. If they wanted to do the Authority thing, it should've been done like the Corporation or the McMahon-Helmsley regime - not where you have the two authority figures seemingly changing between heel and face and not really showing faith in the guy they said was "best for business".

Basically, I've come to realise that Orton has been criminally underutilised in the past few years, and when they've finally given him the top spot, they haven't done it right either! If it were me I'd have had Daniel Bryan win the Rumble, and then had he and Orton feud, 1-on-1, with no Authority crap, leading to a great match in the main event at 'Mania. Instead, he's been stuffed around and will most likely drop the title to Dave and drift into no-man's land again :shrug:
 
Orton's been on fire for a while now, and he deserves Wrestlemania.

He's on top of his game as a heel, but the scolding from The Authority bothers me. Orton is supposed to be Triple H and Stephanie's hand picked guy, but every time Orton feels the need to voice his displeasure about something, Stephanie or Triple H verbally castrate Orton without thinking twice about it.

He's a heel. Orton is supposed to be whiny and narcissistic, but when Triple H or Stephanie belittle Orton, Orton looks like a feeble, pouting child. It's like the kid in line at the grocery store, who's begging his mother for a candy bar, but the mother says no. The kid whines some more, but the mother puts her foot down with a more demanding tone, because she has to establish herself as the authority figure with no questions asked. Randy Orton is not a child.

Also, WWE pulled the trigger on Orton VS Cena too soon with the unification match at TLC. With the right build and a proper amount of time, WWE could've had Orton VS Cena for the title unification at Wrestlemania. But we've already seen three Orton/Cena matches since December, so you can't have a fourth encounter at Wrestlemania.

Another problem is the impending collision with Batista. Batista received a more positive reaction last night, but still, you could clearly hear the boos and dissatisfied groans, and the overall reception was lukewarm at best. WWE can push and push all they want, the cold hard truth is the buzz for Batista's big return is not there.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of swerve, because the fans are going to shit all over Batista VS Orton at Wrestlemania, especially for a main event match. But WWE really backed themselves into a corner with opponents for Orton. We've seen too much of Bryan VS Orton, so you can't use that match at Wrestlemania. WWE rushed Orton VS Cena starting at TLC, and the fans are tired of Orton VS Cena, so that's another match up that's out of the question. You can't use Lesnar for a one on one match, because he's a heel. And as time passes, it looks like Punk's walk out is the real deal, so he's off the list of potential candidates also.
 
Orton's been on fire for a while now, and he deserves Wrestlemania.

He's on top of his game as a heel, but the scolding from The Authority bothers me. Orton is supposed to be Triple H and Stephanie's hand picked guy, but every time Orton feels the need to voice his displeasure about something, Stephanie or Triple H verbally castrate Orton without thinking twice about it.

He's a heel. Orton is supposed to be whiny and narcissistic, but when Triple H or Stephanie belittle Orton, Orton looks like a feeble, pouting child. It's like the kid in line at the grocery store, who's begging his mother for a candy bar, but the mother says no. The kid whines some more, but the mother puts her foot down with a more demanding tone, because she has to establish herself as the authority figure with no questions asked. Randy Orton is not a child.

Also, WWE pulled the trigger on Orton VS Cena too soon with the unification match at TLC. With the right build and a proper amount of time, WWE could've had Orton VS Cena for the title unification at Wrestlemania. But we've already seen three Orton/Cena matches since December, so you can't have a fourth encounter at Wrestlemania.

Another problem is the impending collision with Batista. Batista received a more positive reaction last night, but still, you could clearly hear the boos and dissatisfied groans, and the overall reception was lukewarm at best. WWE can push and push all they want, the cold hard truth is the buzz for Batista's big return is not there.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of swerve, because the fans are going to shit all over Batista VS Orton at Wrestlemania, especially for a main event match. But WWE really backed themselves into a corner with opponents for Orton. We've seen too much of Bryan VS Orton, so you can't use that match at Wrestlemania. WWE rushed Orton VS Cena starting at TLC, and the fans are tired of Orton VS Cena, so that's another match up that's out of the question. You can't use Lesnar for a one on one match, because he's a heel. And as time passes, it looks like Punk's walk out is the real deal, so he's off the list of potential candidates also.

At the end of the day, the only way we are going to see an accepted Main Event by the majority is if Daniel Bryan is put in that Main Event.
However, with Batista winning the Main Event, he is a surety for the title match. In addition, Punk leaving means that Triple H needs an opponent, whoever it may be.
However, in an earlier thread, I put forward my idea to make that happen, even based on how it is going now. That is; have Batista sell out to the Authority and replace Orton as the new face of the WWE in the Authority's eyes. This causes Orton to finally pick his balls up and go after HHH, leaving Daniel Bryan as the new challenger to Batista.

ps: No one has mentioned it, but I do believe Sheamus will also have a major match at WM(not in terms of Main Event, but with someone high up on the Roster).
 
Wrong.

Ratings have been higher compared to when CM Punk was Champion.

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2013-ratings/


On to the topic, yes after spending 2011 and 2012 in mid-card, Randy Orton deserves to headline this year's Wrestlemania. Orton has been constantly putting on better performances since last year and his heel promos have also improved a lot over the last few months. Maybe they should have a Triple Threat at Wrestlemania 30 i.e Bryan vs Orton vs Batista instead of one on one.

Wow! Didn't know the rating were that bad in 2012 compared to 2013. Orton does deserve the headline. I just didn't think they would make him look so weak in comparison when he faced Bryan. He wasn't the dominant heel like I thought he would. When he was facing Cesaro/Barrett/Sandow/Del Rio/Kane as a face, he always looked strong, I can count on my hand how many of those matches he lost.
 

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