Phoenix Region, Third Round: Submission: (3) Triple H vs. (6) Brock Lesnar

[Big Sexy]

Triple H off the top of my head has never made anyone significant submit. Brock Lesnar has made Chris Benoit tap to the Brock lock, Kurt Angle tap to the ankle lock, and Hulk Hogan submit to a bear hug. That's three different submission victories against three different guys who rarely give up. Even if you could beat someone into submission what makes anyone think that Triple H could do that to Brock Lesnar? Triple H always struggled against guys like Goldberg and Batista and Brock Lesnar is a similar superstar.

 

[gd]

Yeah, I suppose Lesnar here. You could argue that the submission thing favors him, but certainly not because of his MMA career, if anyone has argued that. He just, you know, punches guys in the face. As far as wrestling goes, he has 4 submission victories compared to Triple H's 6 in a much shorter career. Certainly favors him. In addition, I'm not a big HHH fan in the slightest, even after his stirring performance of staring awkwardly at the Undertaker.

In closing, here is a much better picture of Brock than the one at the top of the thread, including his penis-like tattoo.

 

[Stormtrooper]

For his career, Triple H has created (as in he made someone submit) 2 submission victories. One in November of 2006 against the Legendary (sarcasm) Spirit Squad (5 on 3 handicap match with HBK/Flair, and all 3 good guys locked in Figure 4's). The other submission victory came on September 18, 2002. Triple H was wrestling Jeff Hardy. At this point in time, Triple H was actually using a Sleeper hold on his opponents (usually postmatch). In this contest, he knocked out Jeff Hardy with a Sleeper Hold, forcing the ref to stop the match.

Here's a video of the match with Hardy. The sleeper is locked in at 9:20, and JR brings up how Triple H had been perfecting the hold in recent weeks. While it was the only time he actually ended matches with it, he has used the maneuver, and with some success.


Brock, on the other hand, has created 5 Submission Victories. He submitted the following people: Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Hulk Hogan. Yes, Brock had his own submission move (The Brock Lock), but he only ended matches with it against smaller combatants Jordan, More, Mysterio, and Benoit. And the only opponents who really meant much of anything at the time of defeat was Hogan and Benoit (Mysterio was still just a Cruiserweight at the time of their match).

So neither man is really a submission expert. However, there is one advantage Triple H has here (as has been previously stated). The Brock Lock is not a submission that will work on a guy of Triple H's size. The Sleeper Hold, however, will work on anyone (as would the Figure Four and Crossface, which Lesnar tapped out to before). Yes, Brock once used a Bear Hug, but I do not recall seeing him EVER use the hold again.


I'm voting for Triple H here. Yeah, I might be letting my fandom get in the way here, but this isn't as clear cut in favor of Brock as people are letting on. Brock used the Brock Lock on occasion (3 of his submission victories were from December 2003-January 2004, before he lost the belt to Guerrero, and went into a feud with a guy he couldn't get the hold on in Goldberg). It's not like he's a great submission guy of all time here. Triple H has 2 less submission victories, but has more ways to submit him, and Triple H is a much more cerebral wrestler, and will use that to his advantage to work on a body part, before locking on a hold and winning the match.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So are we implying that Brock Lesnar, who manhandled the likes of Big Show and Undertaker, can't put the Brock Lock on HHH? Be serious.

 

[klunderbunker]

Special note.

Keep this in mind: This is about WRESTLING. Brock's UFC/MMA career has zero impact on this whatsoever. This is based on professional wrestling and that is all.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

To add to Tastycles' typically entirely correct answer - so, you know, scroll up, read it, rep him - I feel obliged to point out the following. The following is, well, as follows. I hope you're following.

Triple H is a man that tore his quadriceps completely off the bone interrupting a submission attempt. Brock Lesnar has designs on picking him up by his leg. Come the fuck on.

This.

I've never seen HHH use a submission move in a match. The Brock Lock and Brock Hug are dangerous. This one goes to Lesnar in a hard fought match that ends with HHH out for a year with another torn quad. Sad face.

 

[JGlass]

Rough draw for Trips. On the one hand we have a collegiate wrestler, MMA fighter, and a guy who in addition to being strong as an ox is also technically gifted, and on the other hand you have Triple H, a legendary wrestler with power in spades, and while Triple H is many things, a submission specialist is not one of them.

In addition to being out technically wrestled by Brock, Triple H's legs are also subject to injury, and the Brock Lock will exploit that weakness.

Triple H really has no hope here. I think I've seen him use a figure four before, but that's not the area of Brock to exploit. Brock's upper body strength would help him get to the ropes before Triple H could do substantial enough damage to the legs to make Brock tap, and Brock's legs have never been are area of weakness. I'd say Brock's neck would be the are to exploit, and while I have seen Trips use a Crossface before, that still requires him to be able to take Brock down and get Brock's arm between his legs.

No matter what submission Triple H uses, I think Brock will be able to find a counter to it.

Like I said, rough draw for Triple H, and Brock wins this one.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

I really wanted to see Triple H make it farther than the third round. He's had my support for this tournament, and I hoped that he was able to go far. It's very unfortunate that he is in a submission match against Brock Lesnar.

Triple H is designed for wrestling. He has the look, ability, strength and mindset for any opponent and any match type. He is very tactical in every move he makes, and has the experience to overcome many obstacles. All of that being said, I don't think he will be able to submit Brock Lesnar.

Lesnar may be the more inexperienced and less methodical in what he does inside the ring, but he is the quicker and stronger wrestler. He is almost the better mat technician and has a much greater experience with submissions.

HHH puts up a fight, but no matter how many Figure-Fours or Indian Death Locks he attempts, Lesnar will still walk away the victor.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Very surprised to see Triple H getting dominated in the polls at this point in the contest. He is getting beaten at better than a 2:1 ratio and that is very surprising to me. After all, he is married to the boss's daughter, never puts anyone else over, likes to hog all of the spotlight, yadda yadda yadda, you know, all of that typical and mindless IWC rhetoric.

I went with Triple H here. He has been a dominant force in the professional wrestling business for a long time, whereas Lesnar came in for a short while, did a lot of damage, and then exited as quickly as he arrived. Could this be a case of a lack of passion for the business, or a lack of mental toughness to be able to endure in it, possibly so. No doubt about it, Brock Lesnar is an absolute beast, and is quite capable of withstanding a lot of offense while dishing out his share of it as well. But in the end, HHH is the Cerebral Assassin. He will out-think Lesnar, he will out-strategize him, and these facts, combined with his superior mental toughness, will be barely enough for him to eke out a hard fought victory. Triple H may not be a submissions expert, but after he hits Lesnar with a couple of Pedigrees, it won't be too difficult to apply a submissions move upon a lifeless and limp Lesnar.

Plus, Stephanie simply won't allow her husband to lose, he has too much backstage influence as it is, after all, that is the only reason he is where he is, isn't it?

 

[The Other Hardy Brother]

Well making this match a submission match sure throws a wrench in things. Triple H at various points in his career used the Figure Four, the Sharpshooter, the Crossface, and the Indian Deathlock. Brock to my knowledge does not have a submission hold. Triple H to my knowledge has only tapped out once to a submission specialist while Lesnar has never submitted. I will give the edge to Triple H in this type of match because Lesnar isn't exactly a submission specialist and the Game would wear down Lesnar with his various holds. Brock would do the same to Trips with his wrestling background. But best believe weapons would come into play since the only way to win is by submission that means there are no disqualifications. Which means Triple H's sledgehammer would come into play as well. A knockout shot bu the hammer followed by the figure four and Lesnar's arm drops three times. Counts as a submission. My vote goes to the Game.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Well making this match a submission match sure throws a wrench in things. Triple H at various points in his career used the Figure Four, the Sharpshooter, the Crossface, and the Indian Deathlock.

He may have used them but how many men has he made submit to those moves? I don't know any.

Brock to my knowledge does not have a submission hold.

He has the Brock Lock and bear hug which he has used to win matches.

Triple H to my knowledge has only tapped out once to a submission specialist while Lesnar has never submitted.

Chris Benoit made HHH tap twice. Wrestlemania XX and shortly after Wrestlemania 21. Cena isn't a submission specialist but he's made HHH tap as well. Forgot to mention that.

Angle made Lesnar tap at Summerslam 2003 and Benoit made him tap at Survivor Series 2003.

I will give the edge to Triple H in this type of match because Lesnar isn't exactly a submission specialist and the Game would wear down Lesnar with his various holds.

HHH is less of a submission specialist than Lesnar. Lesnar could wear HHH down with his various holds like he has in the past.

Brock would do the same to Trips with his wrestling background. But best believe weapons would come into play since the only way to win is by submission that means there are no disqualifications.

I take it you never seen Brock with a weapon.

Which means Triple H's sledgehammer would come into play as well. A knockout shot bu the hammer followed by the figure four and Lesnar's arm drops three times. Counts as a submission. My vote goes to the Game.

Brock Lesnar would take that sledgehammer, break it in half, and then beat HHH with it, apply the Brock Lock and HHH will pass out.

 

[The Other Hardy Brother]

He may have used them but how many men has he made submit to those moves? I don't know any.




He has the Brock Lock and bear hug which he has used to win matches.




Chris Benoit made HHH tap twice. Wrestlemania XX and shortly after Wrestlemania 21. Cena isn't a submission specialist but he's made HHH tap as well. Forgot to mention that.

Angle made Lesnar tap at Summerslam 2003 and Benoit made him tap at Survivor Series 2003.



HHH is less of a submission specialist than Lesnar. Lesnar could wear HHH down with his various holds like he has in the past.




I take it you never seen Brock with a weapon.



Brock Lesnar would take that sledgehammer, break it in half, and then beat HHH with it, apply the Brock Lock and HHH will pass out.

Forgot Cena but to be honest the guy has won a ton of matches by submission. I would consider him a submission specialist. Brock was powerful, agile, and vicious. But he doesn't have a black heart like Triple H and noone is more cerebral. The Game would find a way to win.

 

[CH David]

For his career, Triple H has created (as in he made someone submit) 2 submission victories. One in November of 2006 against the Legendary (sarcasm) Spirit Squad (5 on 3 handicap match with HBK/Flair, and all 3 good guys locked in Figure 4's). The other submission victory came on September 18, 2002. Triple H was wrestling Jeff Hardy. At this point in time, Triple H was actually using a Sleeper hold on his opponents (usually postmatch). In this contest, he knocked out Jeff Hardy with a Sleeper Hold, forcing the ref to stop the match.

So he beat lesser opponents with a Figure Four (he was with Flair) and a Sleeper? Awesome way to go for Triple H. I'd like to see him do it to bigger and tougher guys like Lesnar though! Hardy and the Spirit Squad, wooo, that's some toughness right there!

Here's a video of the match with Hardy. The sleeper is locked in at 9:20, and JR brings up how Triple H had been perfecting the hold in recent weeks. While it was the only time he actually ended matches with it, he has used the maneuver, and with some success.

Glad to see JR trying to put over the Sleeper in those times. Some success though? I'd say more like one successful ending. Huh, and to think he didn't end a match like that again! He could really dazzle with it. Figure Four is just a tribute to Flair, and of course it only ended with Flair in the ring with him.

Brock, on the other hand, has created 5 Submission Victories. He submitted the following people: Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Hulk Hogan. Yes, Brock had his own submission move (The Brock Lock), but he only ended matches with it against smaller combatants Jordan, More, Mysterio, and Benoit. And the only opponents who really meant much of anything at the time of defeat was Hogan and Benoit (Mysterio was still just a Cruiserweight at the time of their match).

He also knocked out the Hardys with the multiple powerbombs. Anyway! It's not like Orlando Jordan was a small guy. He wasn't Rey Rey or Moore. You know what, fuck it. I won't even consider those three. Let's just use Hulk Hogan and Chris Benoit. Firstly, Benoit submitted to the Brock Lock after getting his knee bashed. Sounds like it can happen in this match legally. Hogan passed out from the Brock Hug. Let it sink in that Hulk FUCKING Hogan passed out to the Brock Hug from Brock Lesnar! That alone takes precedent over the Spirit Squad and a 2002 Jeff Hardy.

So neither man is really a submission expert. However, there is one advantage Triple H has here (as has been previously stated). The Brock Lock is not a submission that will work on a guy of Triple H's size. The Sleeper Hold, however, will work on anyone (as would the Figure Four and Crossface, which Lesnar tapped out to before). Yes, Brock once used a Bear Hug, but I do not recall seeing him EVER use the hold again.

Alright how the fuck are you going to say that the Brock Lock won't work on a guy like Triple H? You have got to be kidding me with that statement! Lesnar gave an F5 to the Big Show, but he can't put Triple H's leg over his neck or even give him a Bear Hug? Woooooooow. Excuse me while I laugh my balls off at sheer stupidity.

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Okay now that's over. Triple H busted his quad. It's not a stretch to say Brock targets that area and you know, locks in the Brock Lock. Hell that's likely what would happen.

I'm voting for Triple H here. Yeah, I might be letting my fandom get in the way here, but this isn't as clear cut in favor of Brock as people are letting on. Brock used the Brock Lock on occasion (3 of his submission victories were from December 2003-January 2004, before he lost the belt to Guerrero, and went into a feud with a guy he couldn't get the hold on in Goldberg). It's not like he's a great submission guy of all time here. Triple H has 2 less submission victories, but has more ways to submit him, and Triple H is a much more cerebral wrestler, and will use that to his advantage to work on a body part, before locking on a hold and winning the match.

Triple H won't finish Brock with a Sleeper, a Figure Four, or even an Abdominal Stretch. His best bet is to use cables and wrap them around Lesnar's neck. Brock is too strong to get stuck in the Sleeper for a long period of time, Figure Four is useless without Ric Flair, and lulz at the Abdominal Stretch. The Brock Lock would put Hunter in horrible pain after his knee and quad area is worked on. Lesnar wins.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

If this match were anything other than a submission match, I'd say Triple H. has more than a great shot at winning. However, throughout his career Triple H has only used two submission holds. The Sleeper Hold and the Figure Four. Neither have what it takes to keep Brock down and out.

Lesnar, on the other hand, has forced people to tap out to the Brock Lock which is the raw-est of holds. He simply takes his opponents leg, wraps it around the back of his own head, and bends it until he hears snapping or tapping.

Just replace the following image of Benoit - with Triple H, and you have what this match will look like.

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