People Bash Dwayne - What About Austin?

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Okay, Here is my first post... It will hit a nerve but here it is...

So I have listened to everyone talk about how "Dwayne" has left for Hollywood and came back only to say "I will never leave again" and leaves for Hollywood again. Cena has bashed him, Punk has bashed him, and YOU fans bashed him too.

Understand Rock left at 30 because he has accomplished all that he set out to do in his career and wanted to try Hollywood. He dropped in from time to time. depending on occasion...or situation for that matter. He came back In the spring of this year. said "I will never leave again" and did that left for for few months came back did his match (survivor series) didn't miss a step . Now he has left for Hollywood again.....until mania.

Now here is the the part where I hit a nerve....

Stone cold is arguably the most popular superstar of all time, since HBK and the "New generation" he captured The Imagination of a global audience with his rebellious "I wont do what you tell me" attitude.

But in 2002 "Steve" told his boss Vincent K. McMahon to "take this job and shove it" because ...the original concept for wrestlemania X-8 was austin was supposed to face Hollywood Hogan and job to him. But, austin was unhappy with hogan being back in what was then the "WWF" and did not want to job to hogan so we got Hogan Vs. Rock....

In a surprise altercation the next night on Raw, Austin refused to show up and took a week-long break without the company's consent, claiming "exhaustion."
When he returned, He was to be in a program with Brock Lesnar, But austin vetoed any matches that would result in him jobbing to Lesnar. Reason being? Austin felt that hot-shotting a rookie would make the rattlesnake look weak and did not give Lesnar a proper stage for such a big win over a star of the magnitude that Austin held. which that resulted in him leaving the WWE on June 3, 2002

So my question is this, what makes Steve any different from Dwayne?

I say the only difference is Steve was acting selfish (And if you ask me very Hypocritical considering he did to Brock what he was mad at Hogan for.) At least "dwayne" had no problem putting people over to build stars and do what's right for business. It would also seem to me that "Dwayne" was the guy to clean up the messes that "Steve" left behind when he took his ball and ran home.

so feel free to respond with your opinions on my first post and let me know why you feel that way.
 
Well, the number one reason people aren't "mad" at Austin is because he left because he is physically unable to wrestle.

Austin never said he wouldn't work with Brock. He walked out because he felt the match should recieve proper promotion and build, not be randomly thrown together and broadcast on Raw.

And people are mad at Dwayne because he was able to walk out of the business on his own terms and be successful, arguably a bigger star now than he was as a full time wrestler. He's in a position now where he can do what he wants, when he wants, as much or as little as he wants, and he's still going to out draw anyone on the current roster. It's envy.

That's the short and sweet of it.
 
Until you break your neck and continue to work a match whilst having done so, there is no way I can support this thread. The man put it all on the line and as much as I love The Rock, you cannot critisize Stone Cold. He is and was physically unable to compete and so had to just stop like Edge. Also he is still loyal to the WWE coming back and doing part-time appearances such as refereeing matches and being the host of Tough Enough. Hell he gets a paycheck at the end of the day but so does Rock for competing in 2 matches...
 
Finally, someone who is pulling out the bigger skeletons from the closet of hypocrisy. It has always appalled me at the fact that The Rock has received nothing but hell for his career choices, but Austin is seen as the spotless superstar. Austin has done more than enough to make the company look bad with him being a spearhead of the WWE. His personal life and how he walked out on two separate occasions has always hit a nerve with me. Everyone else seems to turn a deaf ear to it and look the other way. While The Rock NEVER made the company look bad with shameful off-duty decisions. Here's the response to CM Punk-Ass and his recent rants about The Rock.

Let me break this down in the simplest of terms:
The Rock

Paid his dues from 96-04. Traveled the road to be at Raw is War, Smackdown, Sunday Night Heat, AND PPVs. Created a word that made it into the dictionary and a Prime Time TV show that WWE still uses to this day. Rose to greatness with a mic and athleticism. The Rock sold maneuvers very well for a person his size. An average wrestler would be considered someone who has memorable botches in their matches. Anyone care to share a match that The Rock has had where he either botched or made the other person look horrible? The Rock put so many superstars over during his time as an active wrestler, while still being able to finish his career as a 9x World Champ WWE (7x) WCW (2x) including other accolades.

He wrestled his entire career injury-free. He leaves HUMBLY, with no fanfare, but people forget that he stated in his final promo before Hollywood that he would be back, so he never really left. He did everything that was possible for him to do before leaving. He put over at the time "the-future-of-the-company" Brock Lesnar and Goldberg. Again, he leaves quietly and makes appearances. (who cares if it was via satellite, he was on WWE TV) Regardless of what idiots say about his movie career and Tooth Fairy this and Game Plan that, he has become a successful, paid, sought after, bona fide Hollywood actor. Why do you think his schedule is so busy? Yet, with that busy schedule he returns for the real fans in great health, breaks retirement, wrestles a match at Survivor Series out of respect to the company and the fans. Sure, he can't make every show, but last time I checked he's still in the Alumni section of the WWE webpage, not a full-time employee. He's been there done that already so enough with the "part-time" whining. He proved that he can still deliver in the ring and on the mic at the age of 39. No one can say, "oh man The Rock is past his prime in the ring."

Now, about this not saying "hi" to anyone, I find that to be complete and utter garbage. If someone possessed the cowardice to incessantly jabber about you to others and not to your face, would you care to acknowledge that person and exchange courtesies with that person or persons? Did CM Punk plant surveillance everywhere that The Rock was at to confirm his anti-social antics? Or is this an isolated instance between The Rock and CM Punk. I don't know, perhaps this is all a work and CM Punk wants to use The Rock to further springboard his superstardom? Allow me to move onto CM Punk.

CM Punk
I respected him a whole lot until his recent rants about The Rock. If he had done this to any other legend, I would feel the same. I enjoyed his initial shoot promo, but when you think about it unveiling skeletons from the corporate closet to the public doesn't require a whole lot of talent. I'm pretty sure Punk could IMDB and WIKI his opponents and come up with even more of his ever-so-witty promos. The fact is nobody gave a damn about CM Punk when he had his first WH Championship reign and no one gave a damn about him prior to his shoot promo. Plus, CM Punk is being as hypocritical as his "voiceless". By requesting a match with Stone Cold Steve Austin, a legend who has been out of the business the same amount of time. I know, I know, he was forced out due to injuries, but now he's speaking of making a return match as well? Oh wait, I'm sure that if he does have a build-up with CM Punk, it will generate a ME slot right? Oh wait, but that's not fair now is it? That's another ME slot that someone else could be using...right? I could see validity in Punk's rant had The Rock returned after all of these years to feud with Undertaker or Triple H. Legends of the past. Who is he currently feuding with? A current star on the current roster. John Cena.

I honestly thought that change was on the horizon. I honestly thought an edgier product was at the cusp of the climb, but what change did he bring about? The ratings remain the same, the product is still shelling out the same pathetic storylines as it has in the last 6 years. Although good, Punk's promos have become predictable. The whole gag promo, how is that entertaining? I'm pretty sure the voiced became "voiceless" during that segment. It sucked. This whole bandwagon that he has fabricated is full of "get-it-while-the-getting-is-good" passengers. The attention span of today's WWE universe is shorter than it Rey Mysterio's last WWE title reign, so Punk better keep them entertained. I'm not doubting his ability for greatness, because that would just be foolish, but I will in no way acknowledge his issues or "points" about The Rock as valid.
 
Well I did not ask why aren't people mad I said what's the difference and explain why you would agree or not agree. really and sit back and read the opening post . As I did a lot of research for this post ...

I'm mad at both because im a fan (over 20 years to be exact) But again its not about being mad. its about do you agree or not and what makes it okay to Crucify "Dwayne" but adore the Hypocrisy of "Steve"
 
The Rock put it all on the line as well, he was just fortunate to not be injured during his time. Had Austin not been injured it would be a different story as well. You can't fault Rock or Austin for their physical turns their bodies took. They spent around the same amount of time in the same company. People need to stop using Austin's injuries as excuses.
 
I'm gonna go with a different slant in this, I think that maybe because the reason why we criticize the Rock more is because I think that most of us never wanted the Rock to leave in the first place. When he left he was A) physically able to compete B) He was at the peak of his popularity. When Austin left he was Physically breaking down because of the neck injury and his popularity was on the down turn. Coupled with the complaints with creative and management he left, making people not care about him the same way again. So when he did come back the pops he got were huge but it seems that it is regulated to nostalgic status where we care about what he accomplished but we know in our hearts he's done. Rocky on the other hand he could have wrestled many more years and the fact he could but chooses to is what pisses people off. Even more so when he wrestled in survivor series and looked like he never missed a beat.
 
Now im not going to "bash" you, im going to explain my view on what you just posted.

Atrue1onewo1f said:
Okay, Here is my first post... It will hit a nerve but here it is...

So I have listened to everyone talk about how "Dwayne" has left for Hollywood and came back only to say "I will never leave again" and leaves for Hollywood again. Cena has bashed him, Punk has bashed him, and YOU fans bashed him too.

Understand Rock left at 30 because he has accomplished all that he set out to do in his career and wanted to try Hollywood. He dropped in from time to time. depending on occasion...or situation for that matter. He came back In the spring of this year. said "I will never leave again" and did that left for for few months came back did his match (survivor series) didn't miss a step . Now he has left for Hollywood again.....until mania.

Now here is the the part where I hit a nerve....

Stone cold is arguably the most popular superstar of all time, since HBK and the "New generation" he captured The Imagination of a global audience with his rebellious "I wont do what you tell me" attitude.

But in 2002 "Steve" told his boss Vincent K. McMahon to "take this job and shove it" because ...the original concept for wrestlemania X-8 was austin was supposed to face Hollywood Hogan and job to him. But, austin was unhappy with hogan being back in what was then the "WWF" and did not want to job to hogan so we got Hogan Vs. Rock...

In a surprise altercation the next night on Raw, Austin refused to show up and took a week-long break without the company's consent, claiming "exhaustion."
When he returned, He was to be in a program with Brock Lesnar, But austin vetoed any matches that would result in him jobbing to Lesnar. Reason being? Austin felt that hot-shotting a rookie would make the rattlesnake look weak and did not give Lesnar a proper stage for such a big win over a star of the magnitude that Austin held. which that resulted in him leaving the WWE on June 3, 2002

So my question is this, what makes Steve any different from Dwayne?

I say the only difference is Steve was acting selfish (And if you ask me very Hypocritical considering he did to Brock what he was mad at Hogan for.) At least "dwayne" had no problem putting people over to build stars and do what's right for business. It would also seem to me that "Dwayne" was the guy to clean up the messes that "Steve" left behind when he took his ball and ran home.

so feel free to respond with your opinions on my first post and let me know why you feel that way.
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Ok so i bolded 2 of your points.

1st point. What makes Steve any different from Dwayne?
The difference is this
Steve walked out because of problems with his boss. Has nothing to do with betraying his word against the fans. Then he retired from the ring because of his physical condition. If you look back and research WM 19 steve austin story, you'll see, the morning of WM 19, Austin thought he was about to die...call me crazy but when that comes across your head, i think its fair to retire.
The Rock left AND PROMISED he would be back soon. 7 years is not soon...AND also he said that he was BACK and NEVER leaving everytime he showed up somewhere.

2nd Point. You are looking at the wrong thing that people are bashing Rock for. We are bashing Rock because he went against his word saying "WWE is my life!", do you recall an interview where the person said "So Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson" and he goes "Don't call me that, it's Dwayne Johnson" <---where is the WWE Dwayne?

You can't compare those 2 senerios and say that Austin should be bashed too.

We bash Rock because he went against his word against us fans. When Austin walked, he went against Vince, sure you can say against us too but it was primarily Vince he betrayed. He didn't say to our face "3:16 is going away for a bit but i will be back" and then not come back for 7 years. He came back the next week lol

Not bashing you here, just trying my best to explain the "bashers" lol
 
umm austin leaving had nothing to do with injury. did u read his post?? austin had even said the same thing on multiple occasions. im a fan of austin and rock and I choose to bash neither. to be fully honest im a cena fan too. **** it im a wwe fan . do not bash the man because he speaks the truth.
 
godsizedrage said:
umm austin leaving had nothing to do with injury. did u read his post?? austin had even said the same thing on multiple occasions. im a fan of austin and rock and I choose to bash neither. to be fully honest im a cena fan too. **** it im a wwe fan . do not bash the man because he speaks the truth.
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lol i hope you aren't telling me not to bash him.
i wasn't bashing anyone, i was explaining my thoughts.

but hell yea im a WWE fan too, not a fan of certain people.

Im sure that The Rock didn't INTENTIONALLY think "im going to go against the fans" but his choice of words bit him in the rear.
 
austin did leave becaue of injury he had neck fusion surgery the same thing that Edge had. Anyway I dont blame the rock for leaving either Its kinda sad seeing ppl like jim duggan hogan and ric flaire still around at their age bcuz they cant hang up the boots. but austin makes appearances all the time for the WWE more than once a year since hes been gone. he didnt comepletely leave hes still stone cold steve austin.. the rock didnt even want to be called the rock before hes stated in interviews to please call him dwayne but no one listened so he gave in. to be honest cena will eventually walk away too. everyone has to. but the rock kinda turned his back on ppl in their eyes.
 
OP, such is the problem with the how the internet has made the wrestling business a lot more open to communication amongst its fan base. Which don't get me wrong isn't all that bad a thing but sometimes can lead to some of the stupidest statements I read on the internet.

You have some fans who don't give a shit about the backstage rumblings, you have some fans that are aware of said backstage rumblings and don't give a shit, and then you have those who swear by everything they read about in regards to backstage rumblings.

I put myself in the category of having some degree of care or else I'd not be posting on forums like this one, however this is my take on situations like you're talking about regarding how The Rock and Austin have left full time status and make the "nostalgic" visits every once in a while and the way the fans react to these things:

In the case of The Rock, he gets the ire of some fans because he left to go to Hollywood, big whoop, really. This whole "promising" to come back soon, people by now should learn to take such statements with the finest grain of salt. It's like this, according to everything that's been said The Rock fulfilled his contractual obligations with WWF/E before leaving his full time role for good, nothing wrong with that, you fulfill a contractual obligation and you move on if you no longer have any desire to remain with your current employer. That's what The Rock decided to do when he was getting more and more movie offers, can't fault a man for making that business decision. But yeah people are get sand in their clits because he's making his WrestleMania come back and all that nonsense, seriously people get the hell over it. The Rock is one of wrestling's top stars ever and has been the greatest example of a wrestling star to cross over and transition fully into another entertainment medium. Vince wants to capitalize on that by having him come back part-time, no harm no foul on that if you want my opinion.

Now as far as Stone Cold goes, I really don't know how much truth there is to the whole "walking out of the company" story. Again we're dealing with wrestling here, it's one con after another. Austin undoubtedly has had legitimate problems over the years with his injuries there is no disputing that, in fact all that time he lost from late 1999 through the majority of 2000 undeniably had an effect on his momentum, yes he was still was a top star, no denying that but by comparison that momentum he had from 1996-1999 was not what it once was. After all, he ended up having to retire in 2003, maybe those health problems really did cause professional tension with Vince and WWE, I mean who really knows the WHOLE STORY. I know I sure as hell don't but again people like to bash other wrestlers like Triple H and Hulk Hogan for "refusing to job" to certain talents but yet I have heard fans staunchly defend Austin's rationale for not wanting to work with guys like Jeff Jarrett and Brock Lesnar. Not that I really give a shit one way or another about who Austin wants to work with or not work with but let's be honest here if some members of the IWC want to be high and mighty about judging the "backstage tactics" of people in the business then let's be equal opportunity here and scrutinize everyone and not just "pick and choose", again a tactic that most armchair experts on these forums love to utilize.

This is the bottom line (pardon the pun) here folks, I know we are entitled to our opinions and I am not trying to deny other posters of that, but some of the justifications I hear people make for opining on hearsay that is just that hearsay is enough to make me laugh.

Let's just focus on the on-air product, accept the fact that a legend from a previous era is back to work a big time WrestleMania match with the organization's current poster boy and leave it at that. Fair enough?
 
Austin, no Austin's a saint :rolleyes:

Seriously, I think the IWC needs to start acting a bit more mature when they speak on the WWE talent. The Rock left after giving the fans years of his life to do something else with his life. HIS life. Put yourself in his shoes. Are you really going to keep doing something you dont have a desire to continue doing just to please the fans? Think for a second - If he actually had stayed even though he didnt want to stay he would be half assing it in the ring. Why would you want someone to stick around when they dont want to be around, its only going to create problems. The Rock is back now and all the sudden everyone decides to live in the past. Like Rock said, Cena is contractually obligated to go out there every night. He doesnt do it out of the goodness of his heart, its actually his job. I respect both men and I believe Cena should be proud of his dedication to the business as well as Rock should be proud of following his heart. As for Stone Cold, I respect his decisions. The suggestions made for him with Hogan and Lesnar were completely ridiculous.
 
I truly have been saying just sit back and enjoy the product... but I also thought it wasn't fair to The Rock for what he choses to do... so I came up with this post in order to point out the IWC Hypocrisies And find out what's the difference?
 
Great post op. Austin fans think that he can do no wrong, when he was probably one of the worst "faces" of the company. He walked out on multiple occasions because he didnt like the direction of the story. Guess what Austin, your job isnt to come up with the story, your job is to go out there and entertain the fans. This showed to me austin cared about money, not fans. He would also rarely job to people, unlike the rock who put over numerous up and comers during his time. Sure the rock left, but he did it the right way. His contract was up, so he went on to something that wouldnt destroy his body, pay him a hell of a lot more, and allow him to spend more time with his family. I dont blame him for his choice, and I dont think anyone else can either. Not to mention he came back for the fans. The wwe cannot pay him close to what he makes in his movies. He didnt need the money, he is giving back to the fans. People that bash him are just whiny little bitches.
 
Atrue1onewo1f said:
I truly have been saying just sit back and enjoy the product... but I also thought it wasn't fair to The Rock for what he choses to do... so I came up with this post in order to point out the IWC Hypocrisies And find out what's the difference?
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OP, I can't blame you for wanting to spark a topic that points out these issues, all the power to you, unfortunately you won't have many receptive individuals to subjects like this because for some reason us internet folk as a whole just to love sit back and act like the world's leading expert on how these performers should act and conduct themselves.

Just realize though that you are trying to talk sense with a majority on here that's typically nonsensical and I personally don't care how many people might want to start red repping me for a comment like that. But I stand by what I say:

Most people who are so quick to judge those in the wrestling business are typically selective about it (judging from what I've read on this whole Austin vs Rock debate)...

And...more important than anything else to mention is that these people would probably have made the same business decisions that someone like The Rock has made in the past if they were so fortunate. Again I stand by what I said nothing wrong with talking about the business in facets beyond the on-air product but first and foremost the on-air product and discussion about that is more important than any of the bullshit dirt sheet crap that gets bandied about on here.

Again bring on the hate if any of you armchair fucks have a problem with that, I'm game to read anything and everything you have to say (as stupid as it will be I still could use the laugh).
 
I'm not worried about the IWC or the armchair bookers because I knew exacltley what i was getting into when i created this post. I wanted to provoke the mind of the IWC with this thats why I did all the research I could to support my post and It was to positively stir the pot.
 
Austin doesn't tell us he's back for good, do a couple taped promos, and appear twice a year to bury current talent.

When Austin shows up, he puts talent over or just self promotes.
 
Azane said:
Austin doesn't tell us he's back for good, do a couple taped promos, and appear twice a year to bury current talent.

When Austin shows up, he puts talent over or just self promotes.
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9 times out of 10 when Austin is on TV or PPV he spends most of his time "Stunning" active talents. I can give you a list of names Santino, JBL, Umaga, Christian, Chris Jericho, Jack Swagger, and even John Cena.

Tell me this ... how does Austin, who is retired and hence not an active performer matter how big a star he is, doing stunners on active talents help put them over?
 
Who cares if the Rock didn't want to be refered to as "The Rock". It's almost like an actor playing a blockbuster character, and when everyone sees them they forever refers to em as that characters name, as if they done even have a name. I understand where Dwayne is coming from. How is that a slap to the face to the WWE fans? The Rock was his ring name. He wasn't wrestling, and didnt want to be labeled as The Rock. I don't know how y'all feel, but I'd wanna hear my real name for a change. But of course he couldnt get away from the name so just went with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

As for he turned his back on fans by leaving, cuz he was able to perform still. That sounds so selfish. So we rather have the guy break his leg, become old, or irrelavant before he calls it quits? Just to please us, like he's our doll? No, he's a human being that can make his own decisions. Why did everyone still love MJ after he won 3 NBA titles then retired, or Bronco fans love Elway when he retired after winning a Superbowl. Because ain't nothing wrong with leaving on a high note. I rather Rock left, then putting his legacy through the dirt by putting over lousy talent.

As for the Rock said he'll nvr leave again, I knew he that didnt mean he was going to show up weekly. If you thought he was going to show up weekly you were outta your mind. I think that meant he wouldnt be away so long ever again. Just a guess. As for Punk saying Rock is taking someone else time, then he shouldn't be calling out Austin for a WM match.
 
I don't understand people's beef with the Rock. He left because his contract expired and Vince didn't renew it.
His choice to go to Hollywood makes sense, it's easier on his body, he gets more cash, he could spend more time his family and he didn't have anything else to do in wrestling, but to some people, common sense doesn't mean shit.
And as for Austin? what he did was extremely unprofessional. It was rude to his boss, the company he worked for and for his fans. But he was going through a rough patch in his life.

Now the Rock's back entertaining the majority of WWE's fans, but some people just want to bitch, the Rock doesn't have to put Cena over at Wrestlemania, but you can tell that he's going to.

OP, haters gonna hate.
 
Maybe it's partly because people wish they were Austin, and could stand up to their boss. That's what made Austin the favorite in this situation. It's like if the fans were parents, and Austin and The Rock were the children. Austin was the favorite, and The Rock was the one the parents could always find a way to criticize. Picture two brothers. One does something bad (Austin), and the other knew about it(The Rock.) Brother #1 Confesses what he did, but the parents would turn around to Brother #2 and say "...and you KNEW about this?" And suddenly Brother #2 would be in trouble. It's sort of like that in a way. Austin could never get in trouble for anything he did, but Dwayne would always get in trouble.
Personally, I can't criticize Austin, because if it weren't for Austin, we wouldn't have some aspiring superstars that are certainly internet darlings (Punk anyone?).
 
I'm going to say this:

had Austin not gotten injured...he would STILL be there. HELL he is! Tough Enough THE HOST of the WWE program. Austin is willing to do anything to be apart of the WWEmpire. Even if its host NXT (Lmao) im sure he'd do it.

THIS ALL FROM MY OPINION

there's a HUGE difference between people who "Live" for the WWE
and people who "Bleed" WWE


The Fans realize it as well. how you going to shit on Austin if he was forced to exit? YET STILL handles talents on Tough Enough as a HOST of the WWE Program. This guy will still wrestle with his F'ed up neck if Vince asked him to.

thats why you cant spit on Austin. Austin is as loyal as it comes. up there with even HBK...but thats a whole other topic.
 
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