Is Cesaro going to stay heel? Is Heyman going to stop appearing with Lesnar? How can Heyman manage both Cesaro and Lesnar without having to "show favoritism between the heel or the face? Maybe I'm just missing something so obvious it's blinding, but I don't see this lasting for awhile...
Paul Heyman Guys.... How's this gonna work?
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chicagokmc
Getting Noticed By Management
I see this lasting awhile. Note the Smackdown match...Cesaro vs Big Show. Not only is this the obvious follow up to the battle royale, this indicates to me that Cesaro is staying heel. He won't be the first heel fans root for (see CM Punk) and he won't be the last. This gives Heyman the guy he needs to stay on screen while Lesnar remains part time. Great job WWE!!!
Caldwell205
Dark Match Winner
Heyman could get a ham sandwich over. (Yes Curtis Axel is lower than a ham sandwich) That said, Cesaro did not "need" to be paired with Heyman, he was already over.
jeffrey9800
Pre-Show Stalwart
Oh yes he did my friend!!
Yes he is very over, but his mic skills are not that good and that's why they gave him to Zeb.
Now the interaction between the 3 might lead to a Lesnar vs Cesaro match down the road, that's something I wanna see!
chicagokmc
Getting Noticed By Management
He looked awkward trying to be bad-ass and telling Zeb he's a Heyman guy. He's over to a point, but not so over that he doesn't need a mouth piece.
If you think this isn't going to work you never watched 80's wrestling, and all I have to say is Mr. Fuji, Jimmy Hart, and most importantly Bobby Heenan. Those are 3 names who can have multiple people in their stables and never have any real interaction between the them, Hart had Dino Bravo, Earthquake, Greg Valentine all in one shot. Fuji had orient express powers of pain yokozuna and crush. Bobby Heenan had a heenan family consisting of Rick Rude, Haku, Andre, Red Rooster, Barbarian, and this is just the short list... Eventually it could become a problem, but at the moment they are on two different levels, and I think while Cesaro doesn't need a mouth piece its the name that is helping him at the moment. He is breaking away from the We the people crap and making his own name, and the verbal retoric that Heyman spews everytime he opens his mouth is the reminder of how great Cesaro is and what makes him great is what made Punk and Lesnar great, he wasn't a 2nd generation namesake who Heyman "saw potential in" or a meathead who Heyman feuded with the year before, no Cesaro was in the process of turning into a main eventer and in a world where the heel pool isn't as shallow as it use to be and the face pool has one new spot with Punk gone Cesaro can go either way and I think Heyman is glad to be apart of it either way because that is what Heyman loves to do he wants to love or hate his guy and he'll tell you why.
It certainly appears that Cesaro will be a face...clearly Swagger is the heel between the two, based on their segment.
It's interesting that Heyman is managing both a heel and a face, but if anybody can do it he can. Lesnar and Punk never interacted when Heyman was managing both, and they were both heels, so it won't be a problem to simply keep Lesnar and Cesaro apart. And, of course, it's a natural feud between the two sometime down the line, they don't even need to turn one.
It's interesting that Heyman is managing both a heel and a face, but if anybody can do it he can. Lesnar and Punk never interacted when Heyman was managing both, and they were both heels, so it won't be a problem to simply keep Lesnar and Cesaro apart. And, of course, it's a natural feud between the two sometime down the line, they don't even need to turn one.
OYDK
King Of The Ring
Doesn't matter whether Cesaro is heel or face, Heyman is gonna make a star out of him because that is what Paul Heyman does. To answer your question though I think Lesnar will be gone for a while after tonight so it works out perfectly; Heyman needed somebody to keep him on TV while Lesnars gone and Cesaro gets to work with the best mouthpiece in the business.
I think WWE is just going with the flow and are not too focused on who is hell or who is face anymore... The crowd will cheer for who they want regardless.
I think WWE is just going with the flow and are not too focused on who is hell or who is face anymore... The crowd will cheer for who they want regardless.
newteenforbb
Pre-Show Stalwart
Well, let's hope Heyman's magic works out better for Cesaro than it did for Ryback and Curtis Axel.
chicagokmc
Getting Noticed By Management
Here is what I think should happen. Once again the Shield is involved in a storyline with the main eventers that has nothing whatsoever to do with Ambrose's mid-card US title. Have him lose the match to Cesaro (with some Authority interference to keep their program going). Cesaro once again has that belt. We hear rumors of unification. Fine have him fight it out with Big E and Cesaro is the unified mid card title holder. Keep Cesaro busy defending that title. No tag matches or crap like that. No reason that title couldn't be defended at each PPV along with the world title.
Wishful thinking, but who knows??
Wishful thinking, but who knows??
i think cesaro is heel now bcoz of heyman. At ER he fight with swagger and move on to another mid carder may be big E and captured ic title. Its not a push for cesaro.
If he get real push means, after ER he gets the mitb briefcase and cash it against DB. Then before summer slam heyman turns down and joins brock and brock captured the title.
If he get real push means, after ER he gets the mitb briefcase and cash it against DB. Then before summer slam heyman turns down and joins brock and brock captured the title.
Reflection
is a happier and wiser man
I have a gut feeling that this will not go so smoothly and successfully for Cesaro.. As Zeb Colter said in his tweet, Cesaro was a nobody before he was paired with the former. The pairing with Zeb and Swagger, followed by the humorous character they played, really stood out from the character part, while Cesaro's own ring ability was also a standout on its own.
Coming to Paul Heyman, he is great, but he is no magician. People on the internet predicted that he would make Axel and Ryback relevant again, but Heyman failed quite miserably at it, and left the duo in a position where they had a very uncertain future. In addition to that, I find Heyman's "My name is Paul Heyman, and this is my client..." promos very repetitive. I don't see how Heyman will be able to bring anything more to a table that was already full... I hope Cesaro succeeds, but there is a good possibility that he will just take a back seat to Lesnar in the months to come.
Coming to Paul Heyman, he is great, but he is no magician. People on the internet predicted that he would make Axel and Ryback relevant again, but Heyman failed quite miserably at it, and left the duo in a position where they had a very uncertain future. In addition to that, I find Heyman's "My name is Paul Heyman, and this is my client..." promos very repetitive. I don't see how Heyman will be able to bring anything more to a table that was already full... I hope Cesaro succeeds, but there is a good possibility that he will just take a back seat to Lesnar in the months to come.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I think this can last for a while. Cesaro has momentum going for him and people have been suggesting that he needs a mouthpiece, so now he's gone one and it's the best one in wrestling right now.
With Curtis Axel, it seemed that WWE was testing the waters a bit with him but accelerated his push when Fandango suffered a concussion that put him on the shelf for about 6 weeks or so. Axel was doing a solid job as IC champ, but WWE made the mistake of having him play second banana to Paul Heyman during his feud with Punk. I knew that Axel would be used for fodder against Punk, which is exactly what happened. With Cesaro, there's no real need to test the waters as he's been in WWE for a while and is among the most consistent in-ring guys on the roster.
As far as Heyman's representation of Brock Lesnar goes, Lesnar will be the bigger deal and more of Heyman's time will be devoted to him. However, I have a feeling that Brock Lesnar won't be coming back until it's time to start the build for SummerSlam. As a result, Cesaro will have all his attention. As long as WWE doesn't make the mistake of using him for fodder to main eventers, this could work out just fine. Cesaro will feud with Swagger and probably have a few proving ground matches here and there, such as the one he has against Big Show on SmackDown! this Friday. After a while, I see Cesaro moving into the hunt for either the US or IC titles. Hell, maybe even both if WWE hasn't completely given up on the notion of unifying them.
With Curtis Axel, it seemed that WWE was testing the waters a bit with him but accelerated his push when Fandango suffered a concussion that put him on the shelf for about 6 weeks or so. Axel was doing a solid job as IC champ, but WWE made the mistake of having him play second banana to Paul Heyman during his feud with Punk. I knew that Axel would be used for fodder against Punk, which is exactly what happened. With Cesaro, there's no real need to test the waters as he's been in WWE for a while and is among the most consistent in-ring guys on the roster.
As far as Heyman's representation of Brock Lesnar goes, Lesnar will be the bigger deal and more of Heyman's time will be devoted to him. However, I have a feeling that Brock Lesnar won't be coming back until it's time to start the build for SummerSlam. As a result, Cesaro will have all his attention. As long as WWE doesn't make the mistake of using him for fodder to main eventers, this could work out just fine. Cesaro will feud with Swagger and probably have a few proving ground matches here and there, such as the one he has against Big Show on SmackDown! this Friday. After a while, I see Cesaro moving into the hunt for either the US or IC titles. Hell, maybe even both if WWE hasn't completely given up on the notion of unifying them.
I actually said in the TOP 5 Matches that need to happen this year discussion that Cesaro Vs. Lesnar was one of them and now we are officially on a potential route to that place. I think pairing Cesaro with Heyman is just the best thing that could happen because a talented guy like Cesaro getting a mouth piece like Paul is absolute genius.
If they handle Cesaro right unlike Curtis then Cesaro could be a major strong heel by the time WM 31 comes around and really WWE lacks a strong heel as only Bray and Batista are absolute heels at the moment who know what to do. Eventually if they don't want to break Cesaro off and keep him a Paul Heyman guy than that wouldn't be bad either because I honestly thing with the way WWE has booked lately and especially due to there only being one main title Cesaro will stay floating around like Sheamus and Del Rio.
If they handle Cesaro right unlike Curtis then Cesaro could be a major strong heel by the time WM 31 comes around and really WWE lacks a strong heel as only Bray and Batista are absolute heels at the moment who know what to do. Eventually if they don't want to break Cesaro off and keep him a Paul Heyman guy than that wouldn't be bad either because I honestly thing with the way WWE has booked lately and especially due to there only being one main title Cesaro will stay floating around like Sheamus and Del Rio.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Possibly, yes. Still, this is exactly the type of swerve naysayers tell us WWE never gives us......yet, here it is. Even in the weeks leading to WM30, all indications were that Cesaro was turning face; the stuff he was doing seemed positively heroic.
Yes, Cesaro's big deed in the 30-man Andre match was performed against a good guy (Big Show), yet anything that happens in a battle royale can hardly be viewed as definitive in terms of storyline, since it's every man for himself.
Still, Cesaro impressed everyone with his feat of strength and, especially after battling Jack Swagger, who is no one's idea of a good guy, I figured we had a new face to cheer.
Then, Paul Heyman walks out on RAW and the applecart is overturned. So far, of the men who have become Paul Heyman guys, only Punk actually turned face; the others remain heels even though they eventually split from Heyman.
Cesaro should be different. When his break from his manager arrives, he'll probably become a hero to the fans. In the meantime, though, this surprising development will probably feature Heyman coaching Cesaro to perform some of the most dastardly deeds imaginable.....'cause that what Heyman does.
I'm still a little disappointed Heyman's new guy didn't turn out to be Drew McIntyre, but I'm still looking forward to where they take Cesaro now.
It would also be interesting to see a Paul Heyman-Zeb Coulter feud, using their wrestlers as chess pieces, rather than simply having Zeb fade from Cesaro's life completely.
Two heel managers plotting against each other opens up a bunch of possibilities.
I love the pairing. The timing is a bit odd though.
Cesaro is one of the most popular rising babyfaces they have while Heyman SHOULD be the number one heel in wrestling right now due to his role in ending the streak. So while I like the two together, the timing seems off.
I would have let Cesaro be a babyface for a few months. Get the feud with Swagger out of the way first, THEN pair him with Heyman. Perhaps after Cesaro wins Money In The Bank. Again, I like the idea of the two of them together but not right now when Cesaro is so popular. Cesaro is not going to be booed just because they pair him with Heyman. It's far more likely that Heyman will be cheered.
Although Heyman's promos were terrific as usual, it was odd to see Heyman, just 24 hours after helping end the streak, playing to the crowd by going after Zeb Colter and salvaging what was left of the broken Andre trophy. Seems like Hulk Hogan could have played that role. I would have had Hulk come out to Cesaro's aid and toss Colter over the top rope while Cesaro gives Swagger the big swing. Then Cesaro and Hulk pose to Hulks music. As opposed to when Cesaro and Heyman stood in the ring last night, they were still using Zeb Colters theme. That was a bit confusing.
But overall I like Cesaro and Heyman together. It's just the timing of it that I have a beef with.
Cesaro is one of the most popular rising babyfaces they have while Heyman SHOULD be the number one heel in wrestling right now due to his role in ending the streak. So while I like the two together, the timing seems off.
I would have let Cesaro be a babyface for a few months. Get the feud with Swagger out of the way first, THEN pair him with Heyman. Perhaps after Cesaro wins Money In The Bank. Again, I like the idea of the two of them together but not right now when Cesaro is so popular. Cesaro is not going to be booed just because they pair him with Heyman. It's far more likely that Heyman will be cheered.
Although Heyman's promos were terrific as usual, it was odd to see Heyman, just 24 hours after helping end the streak, playing to the crowd by going after Zeb Colter and salvaging what was left of the broken Andre trophy. Seems like Hulk Hogan could have played that role. I would have had Hulk come out to Cesaro's aid and toss Colter over the top rope while Cesaro gives Swagger the big swing. Then Cesaro and Hulk pose to Hulks music. As opposed to when Cesaro and Heyman stood in the ring last night, they were still using Zeb Colters theme. That was a bit confusing.
But overall I like Cesaro and Heyman together. It's just the timing of it that I have a beef with.
OYDK
King Of The Ring
I guess what i should have said was Heyman gives his guys all the tools it takes to be a megastar. It's up to the talent to run with it and unfortunately Axel and Ryback didn't have near enough talent
If you remember there was a short time when Heyman was managing Punk as a face and Lesnar as a heel. Heyman is whoever he wants to be and WWE and fans probably won't ever care that he comes out as a heel for one promo and then out the next for a face promo. He took Triple H's shovel and buried the entire audience last night and got cheered.
Remember though, the dirtsheets told us WWE got rid of heels and babyfaces...=P
Remember though, the dirtsheets told us WWE got rid of heels and babyfaces...=P
The5MoveShuffle
Dark Match Jobber
Cesaro is becoming a top face, getting ready for a big push. Brock is gonna disappear for a while before he takes the title. With Brock gone Heyman needs to stay relevant because he is the best talker in the business and what better way than to latch him to one of the rising stars who isn't that stellar on the mic? Heel or face promo, Heyman will deliver
I guess they could start with him capturing the IC title. Big E isn't doing anything special with it. Cesaro puts on better matches and actually reacts to him
Exactly.
People forget Lesnar's contract is to wrestle 3 or 4 matches per year, so Heyman needs a new 'client' & Cesaro needs a new 'mouthpiece'.