I like, I like. Reminds me of Tegan and Sara if there was a dude in the group.
[Official] X Marks the Spot: Xfearbefore Xclusive Thread
- Thread starter Mr. TM
- Start date
I like, I like. Reminds me of Tegan and Sara if there was a dude in the group.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Stop bragging about how smart you are!
Where/what are you thinking of going/studying?
University of Delaware if I end up staying here. If I get my re-assignment to New Jersey, ill have to research schools up there.
Early childhood / family development and counseling. Ill start there, and eventually want to be a guidance counselar for at risk teens. A lot of them kids just need someone to give a fuck and be a role model.
Maybe she could cheer you up.....
This is a terrific idea, and I wholeheartedly support it.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
What up broseph?
Hell yes I do. Great show.
Not much man. Watching a CMLL match from a few weeks ago that was recommended to me while smoking a bowl and after that finishing up my review for the second ROH iPPV in Atlanta. How about yourself?
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Compared to you, absolutely nothing. Fuck I wish I had some weed, I'm getting paranoid as fuck here about my girl cheating on me.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
You hit a 1001 post? I'm proud of you buddy.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Well fuck you too. <--butthurt/
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
What ever happened to Valentine?
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Did I miss the wedding?
Good news for you sir, when you type in RAW (any date from this April, as far as I can tell), your website is the fourth option on google. That's some damn fine publicity as I'm sure there are plenty of folks who type that in looking to get RAW results if they miss the show.
X, I'm trying to get a better picture of how good DBD is in relation to other good wrestlers in WWE and I was just unentertained by Danielson vs Tyler Black from the sixth episode of ROH on HDNet (which is odd, because I've loved Tyler's matches in FCW and most of DBD's). Can you suggest some other matches that I should watch so that I can conclusively say that DBD is better/worse than Justin Gabriel, DH Smith and every other good wrestler WWE has.
Hmm, okay, let me check my ROH ratings.
2/23/02 Bryan Danielson vs. Low Ki vs. Christopher Daniels - ****1/2
3/30/02 Bryan Danielson vs. Low Ki - ****1/4
11/9/02 AJ Styles vs. Bryan Danielson - ****1/4
4/12/03 Bryan Danielson vs. Paul London (2/3 Falls) - *****
4/23/04 CM Punk vs. Bryan Danielson - ****
4/24/04 Bryan Danielson vs. Homicide - ****1/4
6/24/04 Samoa Joe vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Homicide vs. Austin Aries vs. Colt Cabana vs. Mark Briscoe (Elimination) - ****1/4
8/7/04 Bryan Danielson vs. Austin Aries (2/3 Falls) - ****1/4
10/2/04 Samoa Joe vs. Bryan Danielson - ****1/4
8/12/06 Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness - ****1/4
9/16/06 Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA - ****1/4
6/9/07 Nigel McGuinness vs. Bryan Danielson - ****1/2
8/25/07 Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima - ****
9/20/08 Bryan Danielson vs. Katsuhiko Nakajima - ****1/4
Those are all the Danielson matches I have at ****+ from ROH. And here are a few Dragon Gate USA matches he's had that hit ****+:
9/6/09 Bryan Danielson vs. Naruki Doi - ****1/4
9/25/10 Bryan Danielson vs. YAMATO - ****1/4
Yeah that should be more than enough for you. Gabriel and DH Smith couldn't lace Danielson's boots.
I own every ROH show from 2002-2008 and I've got every 09-11 show I haven't seen yet on my hard drive.
Pretty much any wrestling you could ever want to see, it's somewhere online if you look hard enough. That and I was a tape/DVD trader for a few years and have just boxes and boxes full of discs, many of which I still haven't even seen yet.
Since you provided a list, I'll type up my thoughts on the matches that I see as I watch them.
I can't stand Low Ki, so I'll go ahead and skip those.
Wasn't on youtube/dailymotion, but their match from 05/06 is (their one from "Dissention"). It's doubtless not as good, but I doubt it could exactly be much worse considering who's in it. Like Black/Bryan it was just bad. I didn't see the ending, and frankly I'm glad that only the first 20 or so minutes are up because that way I didn't have to watch the rest of the dreck. I won't rate it because I didn't see all of it.
Not on youtube and I honestly don't care enough to get u-torrent just so that I can watch it.
Couldn't find it already uploaded. However their TPI match from the same year is. Dull with moments of real boringness for the most part. I stopped the match in disgust after Danielson went from selling his knee after a badly faked su(per)plex out of the ring to aeroplane spinning Punk around the ring. Christ.
And at this point in the post, I'd just like to take the oppertunity to say how very annoying Dave Prazack is. How in the name of all that's holy does he commentate EVERYTHING outside of WWE and TNA? He's shit.
Couldn't find on the first page of google video and I'm not downloading it.
Two reasons I'm skipping this one. 1) multiman matches are a poor way to gauge skill. 2) Colt Cabana is just about the only wrestler I dislike watching more than Low Ki.
I google video searched it and couldn't find that match. but I'll tell you what I thought of their '09 match I did find. It was better than the other matches I've watched today, but the finish was shit. Danielson should have been counted for a pin well before Aries tapped out. **3/4
Also, "you're going to get your fucking head kicked in" is a fucking awful chant. It's takes too long to say and just doesn't flow.
this match nor any alternatives were on the firsat page of google videos, and I'm not going to look any harder than that.
I couldn't find this match, but I'm pretty sure I found their other match on their list though. I'll skip to that one.
According to my ROH wikia, this was aired on "Driven" ROH's first PPV, if that's right I've found this match. But anyway, lets get this over with. Uugh, And ROH fans shat on Cena for no selling his opponent while Danielson goes from being smashed by a charging McGuinness' European Uppercut to being perfectly OK and throwing tables and chairs? Fucking hell. Oh and now Nigel goes and ignores his multiple headshots to deliver the most stupid lariat I've ever seen. Bouncing off the bottom rope with no momentum whatsoever makes the move more effective? No. Crossbody into the crowd. Why? Fucking hell this is awful. Oh, Danielson's fine again. Does he do long term selling at all? 60% done and I can't wait for this match to be over. Now Nigel's pulling a Cena as The ROH fans seem like even bigger hypocrites. McGuinness sells the back (a miricle that someone remembered that injuries don't fade when you're on the attack) and Danielson swiftly decides to throw kicks instead of work the back some more, but hey he's the American Dragon what are you going to do? GAH, YOU WERE WORKING THE BACK SO YOU LOCK IN A CROSSFACE CHICKEN WING? WHAT THE HELL! Can someone tell me just why McGuinness's upside down rope bounce is more effective than, say bouncing off them like a normal person? MMA elbows (THE BACK DANIELSON! YOU DUMPED HIM OVER THE FUCKING GUARDRAIL! WHY DO THAT IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO FUCKING WORK THE BACK?) => The single most rediculous submission in wrestling ever for the end. DUD
How the hell did you give this 4.5 stars X? That shit was awful. No-selling was rampant, Danielson ignored the work he'd done earlier in the match, the refereeing in the early match was awful and most of it made no fucking sence. Shitty, shitty match. Jesus fucking Christ.
With every match I've seen this morning, my hate for Dave Prazak grows. He's miles better than Booker T though, so that's something. And God, whoever came up with that chant should be shot. So should whoever's commentating beside Prazack.
I'm not going to do ones after this one, because 1) I can't be arsed. 2) I've never heard of most of them and 3) I'm not a fan of the Japanese style and my bias will affect my enjoyment of the match. And again, I couldn't find this match, but I'll watch a couple of others from around the same period. The first is from NOAH 12/02/06. The second will be from ROH.
first match, not bad so far. Stiff strikes from Kenta. Sorry, KENTA and that's OK because at least there's some momentum built up, which I think is what I dislike Low Ki for, but I'm going on a tangent. And now the kicks start bringing it down. Am I supposed to be entertained by watching stiffass kicks? Striking's fine but when it gets to the point where one guys kicking and the other guy's just selling and there's no momentum going in either direction then that's just shit.
Back to the match, and Danielson's working over another bodypart it seems. Does he ever stick to one? Preferably one that would help him win the match but at this stage I'm not picky. Back to the arm. Good. And this match is pretty good. Can't really fault it. Waaaay better than the Kobashi vs Misawa match you gave me during the tourney. *sigh* crossbody into the crowd. Doesn't make sence in Japan either. Neither man answers a 10 count on the outside, but apparently in Japan the counts go higher. I'll roll with it. Finished with a GTS. Pretty good match with really nothing that I can criticise. ***1/2.
Match two is from a ROH show on 06/23/07. Not bad, not as good as the other match I listed, but hey maybe it's just Prazak's presence making me hate it more (hint: It's not). KENTA's pulling a Cena but since this is the half way point ht's going to get stopped. By a kick, probably. Well I was wrong, it was a German Suplex and Danielson's locked in the first finisher of the match. Belly to belly suplex off the apron. Fucking ow. And I finished the match from here. Danielson lost via GTS.
The match wasn't bad, but not particularly great either. There's also the sidenote that 10 finishers were hit/locked in (12, if we count the crossface chicken wing that was blocked and the cattle mutilation that was countered in the usual way (into a pin). That's rediculous. ***.
Sidenote, Danielson's bridges are awful and so are KENTA's. Their feet should be flat, not on their toes. Screws up your back otherwise. Or at least, that's William Regal's opinion on the subject, but what would he know?
Finally I didn't understand a word he said but the Japanese commentators were WAY better than Prazak and the guy he works with. I shouldn't be focusing on him so much, but hey attacking him is better than watching most of the matches I did this morning.
Christ no X. The one match on your list I could find was absolutely awful and the other matches featuring the same guys weren't particularly good. The worst match I've seen Gabriel put on when he's given time is vs Angelico (as Phoenix Starr) and I'd rather watch that than his shitfest against McGuinness. If nothing else it was done in 10 minutes (not 20), fast paced and fun to watch, even if it was a complete spotfest. But that's way better than a complete piece of shit like DBD vs McGuinness.
So yeah, I enjoy DH Smith and Justin Gabriel's matches a hell of a lot more than Bryan Danielson's on the indies. The fact that I'd rather watch Smith vs Ryder or Gabriel vs anybody than Danielson vs Styles says something. Whether it's about my taste in wrestling or that Danielson's as overrated as he is tallented is another question.
I can't stand Low Ki, so I'll go ahead and skip those.
Wasn't on youtube/dailymotion, but their match from 05/06 is (their one from "Dissention"). It's doubtless not as good, but I doubt it could exactly be much worse considering who's in it. Like Black/Bryan it was just bad. I didn't see the ending, and frankly I'm glad that only the first 20 or so minutes are up because that way I didn't have to watch the rest of the dreck. I won't rate it because I didn't see all of it.
Not on youtube and I honestly don't care enough to get u-torrent just so that I can watch it.
Couldn't find it already uploaded. However their TPI match from the same year is. Dull with moments of real boringness for the most part. I stopped the match in disgust after Danielson went from selling his knee after a badly faked su(per)plex out of the ring to aeroplane spinning Punk around the ring. Christ.
And at this point in the post, I'd just like to take the oppertunity to say how very annoying Dave Prazack is. How in the name of all that's holy does he commentate EVERYTHING outside of WWE and TNA? He's shit.
Couldn't find on the first page of google video and I'm not downloading it.
Two reasons I'm skipping this one. 1) multiman matches are a poor way to gauge skill. 2) Colt Cabana is just about the only wrestler I dislike watching more than Low Ki.
I google video searched it and couldn't find that match. but I'll tell you what I thought of their '09 match I did find. It was better than the other matches I've watched today, but the finish was shit. Danielson should have been counted for a pin well before Aries tapped out. **3/4
Also, "you're going to get your fucking head kicked in" is a fucking awful chant. It's takes too long to say and just doesn't flow.
this match nor any alternatives were on the firsat page of google videos, and I'm not going to look any harder than that.
I couldn't find this match, but I'm pretty sure I found their other match on their list though. I'll skip to that one.
According to my ROH wikia, this was aired on "Driven" ROH's first PPV, if that's right I've found this match. But anyway, lets get this over with. Uugh, And ROH fans shat on Cena for no selling his opponent while Danielson goes from being smashed by a charging McGuinness' European Uppercut to being perfectly OK and throwing tables and chairs? Fucking hell. Oh and now Nigel goes and ignores his multiple headshots to deliver the most stupid lariat I've ever seen. Bouncing off the bottom rope with no momentum whatsoever makes the move more effective? No. Crossbody into the crowd. Why? Fucking hell this is awful. Oh, Danielson's fine again. Does he do long term selling at all? 60% done and I can't wait for this match to be over. Now Nigel's pulling a Cena as The ROH fans seem like even bigger hypocrites. McGuinness sells the back (a miricle that someone remembered that injuries don't fade when you're on the attack) and Danielson swiftly decides to throw kicks instead of work the back some more, but hey he's the American Dragon what are you going to do? GAH, YOU WERE WORKING THE BACK SO YOU LOCK IN A CROSSFACE CHICKEN WING? WHAT THE HELL! Can someone tell me just why McGuinness's upside down rope bounce is more effective than, say bouncing off them like a normal person? MMA elbows (THE BACK DANIELSON! YOU DUMPED HIM OVER THE FUCKING GUARDRAIL! WHY DO THAT IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO FUCKING WORK THE BACK?) => The single most rediculous submission in wrestling ever for the end. DUD
How the hell did you give this 4.5 stars X? That shit was awful. No-selling was rampant, Danielson ignored the work he'd done earlier in the match, the refereeing in the early match was awful and most of it made no fucking sence. Shitty, shitty match. Jesus fucking Christ.
With every match I've seen this morning, my hate for Dave Prazak grows. He's miles better than Booker T though, so that's something. And God, whoever came up with that chant should be shot. So should whoever's commentating beside Prazack.
I'm not going to do ones after this one, because 1) I can't be arsed. 2) I've never heard of most of them and 3) I'm not a fan of the Japanese style and my bias will affect my enjoyment of the match. And again, I couldn't find this match, but I'll watch a couple of others from around the same period. The first is from NOAH 12/02/06. The second will be from ROH.
first match, not bad so far. Stiff strikes from Kenta. Sorry, KENTA and that's OK because at least there's some momentum built up, which I think is what I dislike Low Ki for, but I'm going on a tangent. And now the kicks start bringing it down. Am I supposed to be entertained by watching stiffass kicks? Striking's fine but when it gets to the point where one guys kicking and the other guy's just selling and there's no momentum going in either direction then that's just shit.
Back to the match, and Danielson's working over another bodypart it seems. Does he ever stick to one? Preferably one that would help him win the match but at this stage I'm not picky. Back to the arm. Good. And this match is pretty good. Can't really fault it. Waaaay better than the Kobashi vs Misawa match you gave me during the tourney. *sigh* crossbody into the crowd. Doesn't make sence in Japan either. Neither man answers a 10 count on the outside, but apparently in Japan the counts go higher. I'll roll with it. Finished with a GTS. Pretty good match with really nothing that I can criticise. ***1/2.
Match two is from a ROH show on 06/23/07. Not bad, not as good as the other match I listed, but hey maybe it's just Prazak's presence making me hate it more (hint: It's not). KENTA's pulling a Cena but since this is the half way point ht's going to get stopped. By a kick, probably. Well I was wrong, it was a German Suplex and Danielson's locked in the first finisher of the match. Belly to belly suplex off the apron. Fucking ow. And I finished the match from here. Danielson lost via GTS.
The match wasn't bad, but not particularly great either. There's also the sidenote that 10 finishers were hit/locked in (12, if we count the crossface chicken wing that was blocked and the cattle mutilation that was countered in the usual way (into a pin). That's rediculous. ***.
Sidenote, Danielson's bridges are awful and so are KENTA's. Their feet should be flat, not on their toes. Screws up your back otherwise. Or at least, that's William Regal's opinion on the subject, but what would he know?
Finally I didn't understand a word he said but the Japanese commentators were WAY better than Prazak and the guy he works with. I shouldn't be focusing on him so much, but hey attacking him is better than watching most of the matches I did this morning.
Christ no X. The one match on your list I could find was absolutely awful and the other matches featuring the same guys weren't particularly good. The worst match I've seen Gabriel put on when he's given time is vs Angelico (as Phoenix Starr) and I'd rather watch that than his shitfest against McGuinness. If nothing else it was done in 10 minutes (not 20), fast paced and fun to watch, even if it was a complete spotfest. But that's way better than a complete piece of shit like DBD vs McGuinness.
So yeah, I enjoy DH Smith and Justin Gabriel's matches a hell of a lot more than Bryan Danielson's on the indies. The fact that I'd rather watch Smith vs Ryder or Gabriel vs anybody than Danielson vs Styles says something. Whether it's about my taste in wrestling or that Danielson's as overrated as he is tallented is another question.
Too bad those matches are great.
Can't comment here because I can't even remember the Dissension match, not sure if I've even seen it. The '02 match is fantastic though.
Decent match, nowhere near as good as the one I listed. The work on Danielson's knee was miniscule at best and consisted of maybe 45 seconds total of work on the knee, so I don't see how delivering an airplane spin (and then collapsing) is bad selling here. It's not like he worked over the knee for five minutes, he worked on it for barely a minute at most.
He's perfectly fine and can be quite good at times. He's fucking Gordon Solie compared to Michael Cole.
No clue which match you're talking about and I'm not sure I've seen it, missed quite a bit of ROH in 2009.
Okay, sorry, can't take anything you say seriously anymore if you give that match a DUD rating. No-selling was not rampant at all, and not every single match has to focus on one part of the body the entire match. That match had more heart, intensity, and passion than the vast majority of wrestling you'll see over many many months in the WWE. That was an epic BATTLE of two warriors who pulled out everything they had trying to put the other away. The match made perfect sense, and I'm not sure how you could argue it didn't. I also have to laugh at the part where you go "WHY THE FUCK IS HE DOING A CROSS-BODY INTO THE CROWD?!"...umm, because he's so intent on defeating his opponent that he'll put his own safety on the line to try and put him away? Plus, you know, the crowd loves it. Which is the point of a wrestling match in case you've forgotten, to work the crowd. In that regard they worked the crowd brilliantly through out the entire match and there's a reason why so many people have raved about that match and given it ****+ stars from Meltzer to Alvarez to Dunn to Keller and many more respected wrestling journalists. I'm not sure how you can watch the finish to that match with the blood curdling head-butts that split Danielson open the hard way and not cringe at how far both men are willing to go to defeat the other. It's fairly obvious you went into this match and all of these matches just looking to criticize every minor thing you could, down to the fucking refereeing.
I'm not sure what the fuck you watch wrestling for if you thought that match was a "DUD". That match eclipses any WWE match of 2011 so far, easily.
No momentum? Are you drunk? You take some kicks from KENTA or Bryan Danielson and tell me they have no momentum. I'm pretty sure the LARGE RED WELTS on their chest proves you wrong. I got into this same striking argument with KB before, wrestling has changed since the popularity of MMA and the fans expectations have changed along with it. A sleeper hold doesn't look painful to modern fans, but a stiff strike to the temple sure as fuck does. And it makes perfect sense logically from a kayfabe perspective, if this is a legit athletic fight, there would be FAR more striking than grappling. When you see two people fight, they don't exactly go for headlocks and suplexes do they? No, they go for strikes immediately to try and KO their opponent. This is basic kayfabe man.
It's a 20 count in ROH and in Japan. And I'm not even going to touch the Kobashi/Misawa comment because you clearly don't have even one inkling of an idea of how strong style works.
Two things, first you don't seem to know what a "finisher" actually is. Hint: it's not big or painful looking moves, it's your trademark FINISHING move. KENTA most certainly did not attempt 10 fucking Go 2 Sleeps in that match and Danielson's only finisher is the Cattle Mutilation, which again, he did not lock in 10 fucking times. Secondly, I seem to remember you enjoying the Undertaker/HHH match at Wrestlemania quite a bit, in which they literally did nothing but trade finishers and kick out for the last 10 minutes. It's awesome when Taker and Hunter do it, but when Danielson or KENTA do it (even though they didn't in this match) it's bullshit? Pretty clearly exposing your bias here.
Do I seriously need to post footage of Regal's bridges to show you he does the exact same thing? Because he does. Everyone does. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to keep your feet flat on the mat in a bridge? Your feet slide and the bridge collapses. That's why you bridge your feet and put the pressure on your toes, much like a ballerina does, because it supports your weight and the bridge better. Seriously, go and find a partner to wrestle around with and try this yourself and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Your criticisms are shit. Gabriel has had a grand total of about one good singles match in the WWE thus far, against John Cena on RAW many months ago. During that same span of time Danielson has been one of the best workers on the entire WWE roster and has had better matches in less time with far less talented opponents than Gabriel has. His 5 minute match with Sheamus on RAW a few months back was better than the ten minutes Gabriel had with John Cena, and is certainly better than anything Gabriel has done on the big stage. As for his FCW work? Average stuff. He's good in the ring, but even implying that he's even half the worker Danielson is makes me downright giggle like a schoolgirl at how absurd of a notion that is. And Gabriel would be the first person to tell you that is my guess.
Yes, it says you've got a clear and obvious bias against anything other than WWE's style of wrestling. You've criticized several things here that you completely ignore when done in the WWE by guys like Undertaker and Triple H. Pretty obvious you aren't being objective here.
So yeah, maybe when you can put your obvious indy bias aside, we can have this conversation again.
Oh and thanks for the red rep. You come to ME, asking MY OPINION and looking for recommendations, and then red rep me when I give them to you? Last fucking time I ever try to help you with anything asshole.
Similar threads
- Locked
- Poll
