Official Women Of Wrestling WWE Divas Thread

[swax1]

Hello. Here is the Official thread to discuss and post pictures of the WWE Divas. Please be advised when posting pictures that there is NO NUDITY allowed on Wrestlezone Forums. So, please click on the Post Reply button to start your discussion and have fun.

 

[Lee]

WRESTLING MOD NOTE; Spam rule is in effect on this thread...If you post pictures you must give reasons as to why this is the case....discussion is key!

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I think I have found my home! If anyone doesn't mind, I would like to take charge of the discussion... this is FalKon's time to shine! Firstly, for my post of women I would like everyone to look at my sig & avatar. Mickie James is one of the best female competitors in the history of the WWE women's division. She is actually one of the MAIN reasons as to why i still watch wrestling today. Let's just hope WWE use her properly for the rest of her career. They are doing a great job actually, as she is now the Diva's Champ! Congrads MJ! Why not, for the hell of it... I think I shall include another photo [MODS: My reasons for posting are above... Lee...]. If you need another reason, she looks GREAT as Lara Croft from Tomb Raider...

Secondly, I think I might post my official WWE diva's talent list in this thread. I still don't understand why I didn't come up with the idea of this... It sounds crazy of me not to. Ohkay, here we go:

Top Tier [Diva's with the Whole Package complete]:

- Mickie James [Diva's Champion!!!]
- Beth Phoenix

"Under The Glass Ceiling":

- Michelle McCool [Get over with crowd more. Women's Champion!!!]
- Melina [Tweak character. Very close to becoming top tier]
- Natalya Neidhart [Rack up more in-ring experience]
- Gail Kim [Gain fan acceptance & re-establish herself]

Rising Stars:

- Maryse [Refine wrestling ability]
- Katie-Lea Burchill [Gain fan acceptance & get over with crowd]
- Kelly Kelly [Refine wrestling ability]

Midcard:

- Jillian Hall [Refine wrestling ability & establish herself as a threat]
- Eve Torres [Rack up more in-ring experience & refine wrestling ability. I see Eve as a potential star]
- Bella Twins [Need experience all-round]
- Alicia Fox [Rack up more in-ring experience & gain fan acceptance]
- Rosa Mendes [Same as Alicia Fox, as well as define character]
- Maria [Should be the occassional wrestler only for huge diva tag matches only. Give her back the interviewing position or become a valet/manager. She is not wrestling material, however non-wrestling roles suit her]

Future Endeavours:

- Layla [all she can do is dance. The only WWE diva I deem as useless all-round. Every other diva can still prove her worth as a diva & actually has a chance in the business. LAYLA SHOULD BE FIRED!]


If anyone wishes to discuss anything related to the Diva's. Please, I invite you to talk. If you want friendly, I will make it friendly. If you disagree, I can provide with a debate. If its a war of words, by GOD I will give you a heated typing session! LOL. I will be here always!

EDIT: Any chance this thread can be a sticky thread in the WWE section?

MOD EDIT: No

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I would also like to add how great it is to see Beth Phoenix again on television. She needs to properly used on WWE TV. Even if she has to move to SmackDown to get her image back. Now that, unfortunately, Maryse is out... I would like to see more programs with Beth in the near future if she is up for the task. If anyone actually doesn't remember what she looks like, here is photo:

IDK why for the life of me figure out that if the WWE is going with Bikini Style Diva's they would not include the Glamazon? Although it may ruin her gimmick or degrade her, but if she can prove that she can wrestle & be shown for her natural beauty [besides the surgeries of plates & screws... no silicon] than should would be the ultimate diva? Am I right? Oh well, I couldnt care either way with this photo lying around!

 

[tLight]

She's in my sig, Id drink her bath water, and my current girlfriend looks like her. oh Maryse.

Really though I think shes great, although she's not the best in the ring she's getting better. Her promo's are also getting better, and unlike most of the other Diva's she has a gimmick, that can be used to get her into story lines.

 

[HBK-aholic]

So, yeah, the diva's really just aren't that good. I know people use the BS "Well people care about them" argument, but they don't really. In some divas matches you could hear a pin drop due to how little people care. I'd like the diva's a lot more if they didn't wrestle.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

When I read about us gaining a possible Women of Wrestling section, I didn't think it was going to be a single thread - and one thats honestly degrading on top of it.

I get coming here to discuss your favorite Diva's. Past or Present. But openly asking for people to post pictures is just a gateway to porn, filth and degrading these semi-talented Young Women. (All of which, I'm moderately on board for Kidding.)

Seriously though, if you're going to give credit to the Female's of Professional Wrestling, do it properly. Pictures do NOT need to be included to boast about how great any one Female has been in this Industry. How great they look in Swimsuits, or Bra/Panties isn't a factor in their talent inside the ring. So, with all due respect.. I'm up for discussing the Female's of Professional Wrestling.. but not at the risk of disrespecting their actual talent.. for a pair of fake breasts and an enlarged photo shot of their ass.

My top Female Wrestlers in this Industry, are as follows:

5. Jazz​

When I first started watching E.C.W, I was introduced to this Woman. Originally, I thought to myself - holy crap, she's fucking ugly, why is she in Wrestling? Then I discovered that you don't need to look good - to kick someones ass and make a name for yourself.

Jazz won me over by her ability to Wrestle Men, and have great athletic ability. Even to this day, despite the fact that she's a former 2-time Women's Champion, I still think the W.W.F/E wronged her all because she wasn't "beautiful" or white, for that matter.

Jazz had all the skills of any other diva's the Company currently held during that time and I believe it was because of Jazz, that the likes of Lita & Trish Stratus became such big stars. While she only clocks in at #5 on my list, the fact remains she was the original Extreme Female that I enjoyed watching all the time. And I wouldn't mind seeing her return to the ring, if thats at all still possible.

4. Mickie James​

Mickie James makes my list with some amount of controversy. I say that, because the only reason I even gave her a chance is for two reasons. First, she looks incredibly like my Wife. And, second, she looks amazing in a skirt. I know, I know - sexist. But the fact is this, Mickie James won me over by showing that she can continue being a great wrestling diva without the likes of a Lita, or a Trish around her.

Mickie James has tried to carry the entire Diva's division on her back, since Trish & Lita both left the Company back in 2006. It hasn't been an easy road for her, but to this day she is one of only two Diva's (and in my mind, the only rightful Diva) to have made history by winning both Women's Championships currently held in the W.W.E. That shows a lot to give her that amount of credit - for not gaining it, purely, for who you're with.

While Mickie only clocks in at #4 on my list, its again because it took her looks to gain my attention first.. and her skills and talent to keep it.

3. Lita​

Lita is holding down the middle of my list, and ironically its for similar yet opposite reasons to Mickie James. I despised Lita originally. I didn't think she was great looking, by any means, and never wanted to give her a chance in the looks department.. but at the same time, I constantly wanted to see her because I loved watching her Wrestle.

During the time that was for Lita, she showed off some great skill and became one of the first high flying diva's in the W.W.E. For that, Lita will forever be a Top 5 to me.

It wasn't until her relationship with Edge, that I actually seen just how beautiful she truly was. I guess it took the **** in her to come out, for me to see that. LOL In all seriousness though, I'd give anything for one more true Lita match. Afterall, here is a Woman who literally put her body on the line just to give the fans some action. (anyone remember that suicide dive from 2004, that folded her up and made the world think she broke her neck??)

2. Victoria​

Victoria only falls just short of my #1 spot because she lost a step once she turned face, and never regained it even with all the heels turns there-after. In 2002, I fell in love with Victoria for destroying Trish Stratus and being this crazed-bitch who went hardcore at Survivor Series.

I loved the character that was Victoria during this time, but felt when they turned her face they screwed her over. She was never, ever the same after that. And even to this day, in TNA, while she holds my respect and I'll constantly want to watch every one of her matches.. she just isn't, and won't ever be the same Woman I fell in love with watching from the very beginning.

1. Medusa​

I can't even begin to question how many people thought I'd have Trish her. Shame on you all. Stratus wasn't as great as half the Wrestling world sees her to be. She was in the right place, and the right time and to her credit earned her spot after a lot of training.

But my #1 spot goes to the girl who tried making the Women's division something famous during one of Wrestling's lowest points. Medusa, or Alundra Blayze as she was known in the W.W.F, is a former 3-time W.W.F Women's Champion. Growing up, I didn't hold much care or concern for the Women's division, but at least Alundra made matches worth watching.

I remember her classics with Bull Nakano, and her feud with Bertha Faye. Both of which at least made me pay attention. I can't say the latter was great, or even worth remembering, but I give full credit to where it's due.. Medusa, Alundra Blayze, whatever you wish to call her.. she was great during her time in the early to mid-90's.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

tLight, I agree with you. Maryse is one of the best they have right now... but she still needs a lot more work & experience before I can classify her in the top tier ranks... she is getting there though.

Becca... Im not even going to argue with you. The audience may not care but there are still many others who do... like the Equal Employment Opportunity rules in place where if women want to choose a certain career, they have every right. If a company refuses to let them do what they want, then they are going to get a bashing. Until this changes, divas are going to be cared for by someone. Oh... did I mention I care? One of the reasons I actually want to be a pro wrestler is so I can become head booker/creative for the diva's & give them back some dignity. However, they are slowly improving. One day, the division is going to explode with awesomeness & upper midcard written all over it.

TheOneBigWill, I like you post... except that Trish wasn't mentioned. She deserves to be in the top 5 list somewhere. I would do my best of all time list like:

1. Trish Stratus [titles, popularity, carrying division, great wrestler]
2. Lita [same as trish, except trade titles for learning lucha]
3. Jazz [best ecw female wrestler, 'nuff said]
4. Mickie James [great charisma, wrestler & worker]
5. Victoria [underrated, great worker/wrestler]

Honourable Mentions:

- Beth Phoenix [complete package for the "big woman"]

 

[HBK-aholic]

Becca... Im not even going to argue with you. The audience may not care but there are still many others who do... like the Equal Employment Opportunity rules in place where if women want to choose a certain career, they have every right.

In theory. However, feminists who bring this up generally forget one thing - a female has to have the skill necessary to do that job. This was basically to make sure both men and women had rights to do the same job, which is good. However, if any of the main male wrestlers got the same crowd reaction (Basically, none) as some of the divas, as well as having the lack of ability some divas have they wouldn't even have a chance. Sound equal to you? Didn't think so.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

How can Chyna NOT be mentioned in the talk of the greatest female wrestlers of all-time? Regardless of her abilities, her track record is second to none. You can't discount the fact that she's the only female IC champ, Royal Rumble participant, and #1 Contender for the WWE Title.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

In theory. However, feminists who bring this up generally forget one thing - a female has to have the skill necessary to do that job. This was basically to make sure both men and women had rights to do the same job, which is good. However, if any of the main male wrestlers got the same crowd reaction (Basically, none) as some of the divas, as well as having the lack of ability some divas have they wouldn't even have a chance. Sound equal to you? Didn't think so.

Haha... I had a hunch that you would respond. [crack of the fingers]... let's get started, again. This time, I wont rep you at all... a really bad mistake. Sounded like you where refering to me as a feminist, if you werent than I overlooked it but if you were, the politcally-correct term is Women's Wrestling Mark. Anywayz, I have a few points made by others which would argue you points:

1) Posted by AndrarielHalo:

Vince McMahon, or someone in Creative, doesn't care about female wrestling. They've also potentially permanently damaged the fanbase to a degree that they would not accept female wrestling if it were not the typical scantily clad diva stuff.

'Nuff said.

2) Posted by Degeneration Deej:

the reason though why the womens division is in such bad shape is because of the fact that WWE doesn't bring in actual wrestlers but models who have to be trained which isn't a bad thing

Bingo... though most are models, they actually give their all in wrestling. I may not agree with this... but at least the beauty factor is there. It may account for only a few minutes whilst they are out there in the ring, still brings something to the table. Like the diva's being the highest viewed item on WWE.com? Anywayz, for models... they are not half bad. All except Beth & Mickie need improvements, but are doing very well for girls whose main job involves walking & wearing clothes. Great transitions.

BTW, Women's wrestling will never break into the main event... ever... in a unisex company. The best they can do is upper-midcard, but mainly the midcard. To my knowledge, some midcarders get the same reaction as some of the divas. Idk about you, but I'd rather see the likes of Maryse wrestle than Chavo Guerrero.

How can Chyna NOT be mentioned in the talk of the greatest female wrestlers of all-time? Regardless of her abilities, her track record is second to none. You can't discount the fact that she's the only female IC champ, Royal Rumble participant, and #1 Contender for the WWE Title.

I kind of forget Chyna sometimes... Although she can be useless in the ring, she did accomplish what no women has ever done... oh sorry, didn't Molly Holly win the Hardcore Championship??? Oh right... I forgot Molly as well... damn. Well, I am sticking with my "best of all time" list. I dont think anyone else that I have seen so far deserves to be there, but if there is anyone I'd like to here of it.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Haha... I had a hunch that you would respond.

Of course

[crack of the fingers]... let's get started, again. This time, I wont rep you at all... a really bad mistake.

Haha. The funny thing was I was going to green rep you at the end of the debate which I usually do, until you red repped me . You'll probably get green after this.

1) Posted by AndrarielHalo:

Vince McMahon, or someone in Creative, doesn't care about female wrestling. They've also potentially permanently damaged the fanbase to a degree that they would not accept female wrestling if it were not the typical scantily clad diva stuff.

'Nuff said.



2) Posted by Degeneration Deej:

the reason though why the womens division is in such bad shape is because of the fact that WWE doesn't bring in actual wrestlers but models who have to be trained which isn't a bad thing

But this is kind of a point we've debated before, about the WWE divas wrestling - they shouldn't. McMahon has hired models, as said above, why not use them as such? Bikini contests, managers - that type of thing.

Bingo... though most are models, they actually give their all in wrestling. I may not agree with this... but at least the beauty factor is there. It may account for only a few minutes whilst they are out there in the ring, still brings something to the table. Like the diva's being the highest viewed item on WWE.com? Anywayz, for models... they are not half bad. All except Beth & Mickie need improvements, but are doing very well for girls whose main job involves walking & wearing clothes. Great transitions.

Does that not prove my point? People want to look at the divas. They don't really want to watch them wrestle. Yes, I know a few people do, but it's hardly a majority.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Haha. The funny thing was I was going to green rep you at the end of the debate which I usually do, until you red repped me . You'll probably get green after this.

So, you & me debating about the womens division is like you & I having relations as the side person in the relationship. Go in, do our stuff, get a review... then leave. Kidding!! Thanks for the rep in advance.

But this is kind of a point we've debated before, about the WWE divas wrestling - they shouldn't. McMahon has hired models, as said above, why not use them as such? Bikini contests, managers - that type of thing.

Ah... yes & no Becca. Yes, I do believe that there should be Bikini Contests, there should be more valets/managers... it is a great formula that will not only draw sex appeal to the WWE & the males being managed, but it solidifies their place in the company. Like Melina in MNM. She became a 'household' name before even stepping foot in the ring. However, this is where the WWE should hire their models. They should do these type of things as a part of their job. If they need to make huge diva matches or there is a huge injury influx, then they should wrestle.

In saying this, the WWE should hire more female wrestlers. Or, if this is not possible... train diva's like Melina, Michelle, Katie, Maryse & these girls that have some sort of potential into wrestlers as a part of rigorous training. If they don't accept, they get placed in the model section. Otherwise, kudos & let's see what they can do. Until the diva's are actually given a chance by WWE & have gained fan acceptance, I will defend the diva's 'til the day I get kicked off WZ Forums... & I believe that won't happen anytime soon.

Does that not prove my point? People want to look at the divas. They don't really want to watch them wrestle. Yes, I know a few people do, but it's hardly a majority.

Did you read the comments I posted as quotes? The WWE has degraded the female division to the point where the majority of the fanbase cannot accept the fact that it is actually interesting anymore. This is not the sole reason, but it is one major reason. Oh... I have also been to wrestling events in Sydney. I have been known to be vocal, not like some of the others that attend. I have started chants before & got fans interested in matches. I love to get people into womens matches. Sometimes it works, others dont.

My point is that if some people in the audience care enough & are vocal enough... persistance & fan support from those around you... the audience can learn to care about the womens matches, let alone any match.

 

[RayneJames81]

I have to agree with Steamboat Ricky!!! Chyna is definetely on the top 5 list of all time best female wrestlers. She held the Intercontinental title on more than 3 occassions, not mention the only female to have done that. And she also was the only woman to have EVER entered the Royal Rumble. That Diva could hold her own against any diva past or present, and it would be awesome to see her there again, although we know that aint going to happen. My number one diva though is Mickie James. She is the total package and I watch RAW mainly just for her. I love her entrance and I love her wrestling skills. She is a true athlete and a true star

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I am starting to re-think why Chyna as to why she should be in the top list... I said that I was going to stick with my list. But I think I should trade Victoria for Chyna in the womens wrestling list: So the updated list:

1) Trish
2) Lita
3) Jazz
4) Mickie
5) Chyna

____________________________

6) Victoria
7) Molly
8) Beth Phoenix

There we go, I like it! I still dont recognise Chyna as an actual female competitor as she did wrestle in the mens division with the mens titles. However, I will include her only because she was a female who wrestled, no matter how bad she was in the ring. I believe that the female wrestlers should always stay away from these male championships. The IC title is a male title, not for females. However, the Hardcore/Cruiserweight/Tag Titles should allow females to compete for them... even though most of these titles are defunct.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Oh, Echelon... I am here. You wanted to debate with me... Please, step right up. I am calling you out publicly! If there is anything I have said in which you think is wrong or not correct throughout this thread... then debate.

Otherwise, I think I shall pick the poison for a starter of the thread. I want to here your greatest female wrestling list of all time [in WWE of course]. I want to know what you think about the current diva's division. I want to know why you say that you know more about the subject than I do... throw me a swerve ball or something!

 

[Bernkastel]

Oh, Echelon... I am here. You wanted to debate with me... Please, step right up. I am calling you out publicly! If there is anything I have said in which you think is wrong or not correct throughout this thread... then debate.

Otherwise, I think I shall pick the poison for a starter of the thread. I want to here your greatest female wrestling list of all time [in WWE of course]. I want to know what you think about the current diva's division. I want to know why you say that you know more about the subject than I do... throw me a swerve ball or something!

I never said that I knew more about the subject than you, I merely said that I have sufficient knowledge... the fact that you're already trying to downgrade me is a clear sign of intimidation.

My List... Top Five

5) Melina

There is a difference between knowing how to be entertaining, and actually being entertaining. Melina knows how to be entertaining... she knows how to connect with the audience and she knows how to work a match that'll keep them interested and take her seriously at the same time. That's a major flaw with most women wrestlers, and not just in the WWE... some women try to hard to be entertaining while others don't try hard enough.The only thing that bugs me currently about Melina is that her current character doesn't quite have the oomph that her heel character did, so she's limited.

4) Maryse

Of the new stock of talent after the Trish/ Lita era Maryse is by far the most entertaining woman in the business. She plays her character perfectly... her mannerisms, her presentation everything is perfect. So much so that when most people see her protrayal, they don't see her beauty skin deep... they see the ugliness inside of her. Her protrayal is good enough to warrant at least a consistent reaction be it cheers or boos.

3) Mickie James

I covered Mickie extensively in another thread. Most women when they fade into obscurity for months at a time for no reason they tend to lose their popularity and their connection with the crowd... but not Mickie. Every time I see a tag match with her in it I notice how the crowd heats up every time Mickie gets the hot tag... they could be totally dead one minute but as soon as she's tagged in the crowds on their feet. Mickie may not receive John Cena like reactions but the fact that she's able to breathe life into matches that would otherwise get next to no attention speaks volumes for her. That's an accomplishment that some guys in the mid card can't do consistently.

2) Lita

Easily one of the biggest draws the division has ever had. When it came to playing a character, there aren't many that could do it batter than Lita... and still be believable. Mic skills, charisma, flashy character with a reckless personality... she was basically Jeff Hardy with boobs and a vagina with added grace on the mic. The only area Lita truly suffered in was that of her workrate. Put her with women that know exactly what they're doing in the ring and she'll produce gold... put her with women that have no clue what they're doing and the quality suffered.

1) Trish

The biggest draw of the woman's division period, this is nondebatable in my eyes. You'll be hard pressed to find any woman in the history of the WWE that could connect with a crowd like Trish could. Moolah, Blayze, Sable, Chyna... none of them even come close. Trish didn't have any prior training as a wrestler when she was hired, but what she did have was acting experience. She soaked up the art of the business like a sponge, she was putting on stellar matches by her first title run. It's no mistake that Trish became a 7 time champion as she proved herself time and time again to be the face of the division. The quality of matches she had improved every year, and she was just about the only woman with the ability to make anyone look good. She could have a memorable classic with Lita, turn around and have a solid match with a green Christy Hemme... she was that good. She could play both the heel and the face with no problems. Up to this point, Trish as been the closest thing that the woman's division has had to a main event draw.

I discussed my views on the current division in another thread. Basically the division in a state of limbo, trying to rebuild itself after losing the two biggest draws that they've ever had in the same year. Losing Trish and Lita for the woman's division would be like the men's division losing HHH, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, John Cena, Randy Orton, Jeff Hardy... pretty much all of their main eventers in the same year. The division didn't have anything else, that's why we've seen talentless models, contests, and a lack of direction for so many years because WWE creative is trying to create talent to fill the void that Lita and Trish created when they left.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

Here's my top five divas...

5: Fabolous Moolah.
She was one of the pioneers of female wrestling. Without her contributions to this sport, there wouldn't be any divas. Plus a 27 years, 10 months, 5 day reign with the WWWF/WWF/WWE's Women's championship is amazing and the longest ever title reign period. You can't mention the divas we have now, without mentioning The Fabulous Moolah. Plus she was a hottie. lol

4: Alundra Blayze/Madusa.
Contreversy, she was the WWE's greatest female wrestler at the time and then she left, went to WCW and tossed the title in the garbage, wow, gutsy. However that aside, without her, divas still wouldn't be as mainstream as they were, alot of today's divas are here because of Alundra Blayze. She contributed alot to both the WWE and WCW and those shouldn't go unoticed.

3: Chyna.
She paved the way for the muscle bound female to be accepted. Without Chyna, I doubt we would have Beth Phoenix. Plus she was one of the most dominate female wrestlers around and if she could have keep her personally demons in check, she could have very well been the greatest.

2: Lita.
She was the current pioneer for females wrestler's to do crazy ass, sucidal moves. Without her, half of, if not more of the divas would probably never venture to the top rope. She was a huge reason the Divas stayed in the spotlight as long as they did.

1: Mickie James.
The John Cena of female wrestling. She's go the "it" factor. She's good looking, in great wrestling shape and can wrestle. She keep the divas alive a float until the likes of Melina, Michelle McCool, Maryse came along. She is the face of the divas right now and well be remembered as one of the greatest of all time.

Honorable mentions go to Maryse, Michelle McCool, Melina. Give them more time and they could be on my next list.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Sorry Echelon for not responding quick enough, I had work tonight. For a store in the middle of nowhere, it was mighty busy... & before I get started, I was the one who called anyone out to debate with on this thread... so why should I be intimidated for if I make the first move?

Anywayz... your list that you have created is a mighty fine one. I cannot argue with your choices with Lita, Trish & Mickie. That would be trying to be all your money on Undertaker losing at WrestleMania... it's a battle already lost if you take the against side. However, I do have a few things about your choices that I would like to discuss.

Firstly, Maryse. I believe she doesn't deserve to be anywhere on a Top 10 diva's list! I would say she would be fight for the rankings of the Top 15 even. My method to my madness as to why this is so:

1) The wrestling ability. Granted that most of the diva's really are a few steps behind the males [where I would say that the movesets are as innovative as the pre-Attitude era], Maryse is probably a couple of steps behind some of the top tier divas like Mickie & Beth. I will give her that with whatever move she pulls off, she can do so with absolute cockiness & arrogance... going as far to say she is the Orton of the womens division. Maryse has a limited moveset containing many rest holds within many of her matches. Though this does fit into her character very well, it is probably not the time to be utilising this type of arrogance incorporation with her moveset. The audience unfortunately doesnt really care as much for the divas these days to actually but into the cockiness. There are members like you & me Echelon that appreciate this, but its best to keep these matches short & high-paced at the moment. When Maryse steps in the ring, the meaning of the word tempo just goes out the window. But, when a diva does the "comeback" near the end of the match with Maryse dominating the match, it is actually believable for a "comeback" to occur due to the amount of rest time.

2) Lack of experience. Maryse has started to come into her own character for what, under a year? Most of this time was spent during the time on SmackDown. To my memory, the only diva close enough to be considered a "veteran" or onscreen trainer on the SmackDown brand is Michelle McCool... even then thats pushing the definitions. She hasn't exactly had the best female competitor's to go up against who can help aid Maryse in the match in developing her character. Learning by herself for the most part will take more time than if a diva like Beth or Mickie were to aid her in the ring whilst putting on a show. Before I even mention anybody on my list of top 5 diva's, they need to have some sort of experience criteria. You can't just be proclaimed by the fans as an all-time great with a couple of years & one title reign ["B" title I might add] on your resume with hardly any past experience.

3) Title reigns. This may seem like a flawed item to discuss as some HOF wrestlers actually got there without holding some of the company's major titles or with multiple reigns, but it still is taken into consideration. Like I said, Maryse has held the Diva's Title, the "B" title out of the two titles where the division is considered a "C" division which doesn't even look like a credible title design... I think my point is somewhat clear.

Secondly, Melina. She has better chances than Maryse but I have to disagree with being in the TOP 5. Not as many points, but they are still critical to success. She has the experience needed, she came into the WWE the right way, she has had multiple title reigns & is able to work a crowd [more in the heel than the face]. Despite she has had multiple title reigns, she is one that will be least likely to be remembered for holding the championships. At least with Maryse, she held the title & will be remembered for doing so as it was an ohkay & decent lengthy run. Don't get me wrong, Melina held the title for a while too... but Melina never had the words Championship Material printed on her, back in the day. Her recent title reign had some elements of CM, but still not a believable champion. With the current program between Melina & Michelle, I believe that when & if she does win the title she will deserve this win & be ready to hold the title. It won't be long before she becomes "a legitimate main eventer" of the Diva's division... in terms of Triple H around the evolution years or current day Edge/ Jericho.

The only other factor that I could pinpoint is her work as a face/heel character. Although innovative the fact that she is a face with the crowd that performs heel type moves in the ring like screaming & aggresive attack, it works a lot better & becomes more believable as the heel. She is limited to what she can perform under the face persona. Reverting her back to a heel for a while can really guarantee Melina to shine. However, since she is the top face diva on SmackDown, I don't see her turning any time soon.


I saw a mention by badboybydesign from the Fabulous Moolah. I would like to point out that she does not count any my list as putting her into the best diva's of all time is like placing WrestleMania in the greatest WWE PPV's of all time. It is an absolute given & that everyone should assume that it is placed above everything else. Maybe I should of mentioned this earlier...

And Echelon, with more time, development & experienced gained by the diva's as well as the Creative/Booking team creating interesting feuds & matches whilst getting the crowd interested again... the division should be back on its feet. There are many divas who can fill that void. At the moment, Mickie seems to be filling a huge hole... where's Candice Michelle when you need her?

There are other like Beth, Natalya... & with some work Michelle, Maryse & Melina who can aid Mickie in that role quite easily...

 

[TheOneBigWill]

How can Chyna NOT be mentioned in the talk of the greatest female wrestlers of all-time? Regardless of her abilities, her track record is second to none. You can't discount the fact that she's the only female IC champ, Royal Rumble participant, and #1 Contender for the WWE Title.

Don't forget technically Manager of Champions, and former King of the Ring participant. But, regardless of any of that. Chyna, as a spectacle in the world of Professional Wrestling was indeed something.

Everything you just mentioned, (minus her Women's title reign) makes her a spectacle in the world of Professional Wrestling as an overall athlete, not a diva.

Fact is, Chyna was an abomination to the Women's division and she even said something along those lines herself. While she didn't call herself an abomination, she did say she hated the division because of the lack of competition. She hated being stuck in it, because of her gender, and she never wanted to compete in it.

She even made comments in how she made the entire division look like a joke, just to show how wrong it was for her to be in the overall division. (If you recall Chyna in the division, and the storylines they ran with her - in which she would "spank" her opponents, you'd have seen how big of a joke this was.)

In the end, I wouldn't even consider Chyna in the Top 50, Greatest females in the Wrestling world, including if you could only count 49 and needed Chyna to be 50. As an overall athlete - she was moderate, to good. As a female, she was a fraud and a phony.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Don't forget technically Manager of Champions, and former King of the Ring participant. But, regardless of any of that. Chyna, as a spectacle in the world of Professional Wrestling was indeed something.

Everything you just mentioned, (minus her Women's title reign) makes her a spectacle in the world of Professional Wrestling as an overall athlete, not a diva.

Fact is, Chyna was an abomination to the Women's division and she even said something along those lines herself. While she didn't call herself an abomination, she did say she hated the division because of the lack of competition. She hated being stuck in it, because of her gender, and she never wanted to compete in it.

She even made comments in how she made the entire division look like a joke, just to show how wrong it was for her to be in the overall division. (If you recall Chyna in the division, and the storylines they ran with her - in which she would "spank" her opponents, you'd have seen how big of a joke this was.)

In the end, I wouldn't even consider Chyna in the Top 50, Greatest females in the Wrestling world, including if you could only count 49 and needed Chyna to be 50. As an overall athlete - she was moderate, to good. As a female, she was a fraud and a phony.

Well, though I considered all this... she kind of gets a spot somewhere here for a few reasons:

1) She was a WWE Diva when she was brought in. Remember... If she is a women who wrestled in the WWE. She is somewhere, even down the line, on this list.

2) She is the ONLY WWE Diva in the history of the company to hold a male's championship, let alone three occasions, competed in the Royal Rumble & became the #1 contender for the male's top tier heavyweight championship. As well as the two you mentioned Will. That is impressive for a women, no matter how much of a man she may be. Sure, you have others like Molly who had a Hardcore Championship run, Mickie who competed for the OVW Television Championship [it was one of the developmental territories anyway] & Jacqueline with the Cruiserweight title... but by definition of these titles, women are allowed to hold & challenge for these titles. Not the IC & potentially the WWE.

3) As what somebody mentioned above, she was the first "big women" wrestler to grace the company. Just putting it put there, but if it weren't for the success known as Chyna, I do believe Beth Phoenix would not have a job with the WWE today [refering to the WWE going with this Bikini Style Diva approach or whatever it is]. In that respect, I pushed Chyna up a couple of notches as she was one reason to bringing in Beth.

4) A member of one of the greatest stables of all time, Degeneration-X... the first incarnation. There aren't that many women that join stables that become active wrestlers instead of managing or being a valet at the level Chyna achieved. If you can find a very, very successful wrestling stable that involved a female wrestling for the most part of her time with the stable I would like to know. From my memory, Lita is the only one who comes close... but she was the girlfriend of Matt at the time.

EDIT: Thankyou so much for the Moderator who made this a sticky. I will be forever grateful! Is it possible to ask who did the move?