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just noticed the impact rating for last week. based on the reviews of the show on the various websites i would've thought the rating would've sucked. nope. highest rated show since february. did anyone recall a little over a month ago when i said the ratings for the shows would be going up? i wonder when people on this site are finally going to accept the fact that i know what i'm talking about, and the kellers, jeff hamlins, and meltzers of the world are more often than not inaccurate in their reviews of the product.

Glenn, there are Russo fans on a board I post at and we all loved the show. Sometimes, we'd disagree on a lot of things. I might praise a show and some would say it wasn't good. But this week they loved Curry Man, and thought it was really good. I think that's a great sign. You should really pay attention to that board. If all of us like the show, you know you're moving in the right direction.

I got a lot of heat for saying Spider-Man 3 was more enjoyable/entertaining than Dark Knight (most overrated movie of all time).

They did 1.6 million viewers this week - the highest viewed TNA Impact in like 5 months, and the show was incredibly entertaining in my eyes. I think Glenn said it best when probably the majority of the online fans "are fans of shows that do not draw".
 
just noticed the impact rating for last week. based on the reviews of the show on the various websites i would've thought the rating would've sucked. nope. highest rated show since february. did anyone recall a little over a month ago when i said the ratings for the shows would be going up? i wonder when people on this site are finally going to accept the fact that i know what i'm talking about, and the kellers, jeff hamlins, and meltzers of the world are more often than not inaccurate in their reviews of the product.

Why is there a double-standard toward TNA by these critics? Also, why do these critics just shrug it off as normal when the topic of negative critique towards TNA comes up? I have seen more bad WWE RAWs and yet TNA gets the most flack. I heard one critic on prowrestling.net actually try to justify the angle where JBL attempted to run over Cena, yet with something like the Joe, Booker, Sting, and Nash thing, these critics are totally up in arms. It is not like the other wrestling organizations are immune to questionable ideas like having HHH vs Khali at SummerSlam, but no one puts WWE to task for doing that. Yet these same critics are fearing the day of Joe vs Nash. No wrestling organization is perfect, but why is TNA taken to task the most by the critics for just about everything that they do?
 
did anyone recall a little over a month ago when i said the ratings for the shows would be going up?

As for Glenn claiming this, I haven't read a post or column anywhere with him saying the shows would be going up. I remember saying on anotehr board that if they go this direction in about 30 weeks, they'll be doing 1.5
 
What do you mean by Internet fans?If you mean the fans who read spoilers,post his/her articles to the forums or read news from wrestling web sites i'm sure at least seventy percent of people from this forum do these things.
 
As for Glenn claiming this, I haven't read a post or column anywhere with him saying the shows would be going up. I remember saying on anotehr board that if they go this direction in about 30 weeks, they'll be doing 1.5

i posted it somewhere. or i may have said it on vow. it was before the shows with the kurt angle dates. i said they should do better ratings. you even referenced what i said in one of your posts. the funny stuff does pretty well. i guess because there's nothing funny on wwe. you have lost ALOT of credibility in my eyes with your Dark Knight review. one of the top five movies of all time.
 
What do you mean by Internet fans?If you mean the fans who read spoilers,post his/her articles to the forums or read news from wrestling web sites i'm sure at least seventy percent of people from this forum do these things.


In my opinion theres a different between being a informed fan and a internet fan. my definiation of a internet fan is someone who jumps on a bandwagon instead of developing their own opinions, would rather have Dave Meltzer opinion as their opinion. Thinks that there's only one way style of wrestling(i.e thinks Puroresu is the shit and WWE storytelling style "sucks) and dissmisses everything else as "shit", believes everything a site reports ( Just because a site says something doesnt mean its a 100% correct). Over analysis's every little thing in wrestling.

A informed fan in my view, is a fan who reads reports, but instead of developing Dave Meltzer's opinion; develops one of their own. Can enjoy wrestling for wrestling and not over analysis everything. Reads the wrestling news sites but takes things they report with a grain of salt, just incase later down the line, they turn out to be false.
 
Glenn, LOL, looks like another Youtube Shooter made a video about you. He goes by the name MoralVirus and yes he's a ROH Mark lol. This video is actually entertaining as he obviously put a lot of time into it with music, graphics, etc. Don't worry, it's only 8 minutes and I think you'll get a chuckle of the sheer stupidity of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEe0SHXfso
 
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As for Glenn claiming this, I haven't read a post or column anywhere with him saying the shows would be going up. I remember saying on anotehr board that if they go this direction in about 30 weeks, they'll be doing 1.5

i posted it somewhere. or i may have said it on vow. it was before the shows with the kurt angle dates. i said they should do better ratings. you even referenced what i said in one of your posts. the funny stuff does pretty well. i guess because there's nothing funny on wwe. you have lost ALOT of credibility in my eyes with your Dark Knight review. one of the top five movies of all time.
It got voted 9.3 in imdb.. I watched it and it didn't live up to the hype in my eyes. I dont think you said the ratings would go up. i didn't listen to your entire interview... as for the kurt angle dates.. those shows were pretty good but then they kinda went down a bit. and now they're up again... yeah, the funny stuff is good...

I didn't like the dark knight, and didn't really mark out. I think it's the most overrated movie of all time and doens't fall in my top 150 movies of all time. It's just a fad - and got attention due to heath ledger. I hate Bale's stupid deep voice.

Spider-Man 3 dominates the show due to all the swerves, twists, great story, entertainment, and humour. Memento, nolans' other flick rules.. and dark knight is just too overrated.. I might get heat here too but I don't care.. i dont care what imdb said.

There was nothing memorable about dark knight... except two face - he looked like two face.. joker did an okay performance. bruce wayne/batman has no personality - maybe it was intended that way. i just didn't care for it...


as for you saying the ratings would go up.. you better find where you said that... i read your columns, and some of your posts and kinda skimmed the vow

i have said a little a month ago that ratings would reach 1.5 if they do 30 weeks consecutive with this direciton. i have more to lose than anything.. because they have never passed 1.2. But i'm very confident that this direction - led by Russo - will draw. that is if TNA is not stupid enough to cut the direction again due to some whining critics/fans online
 
I didn't like the dark knight, and didn't really mark out. I think it's the most overrated movie of all time and doens't fall in my top 150 movies of all time. It's just a fad - and got attention due to heath ledger. I hate Bale's stupid deep voice.

Spider-Man 3 dominates the show due to all the swerves, twists, great story, entertainment, and humour. Memento, nolans' other flick rules.. and dark knight is just too overrated.. I might get heat here too but I don't care.. i dont care what imdb said.

This is why you have NO credibility in my eyes and your opinions always make me chuckle. Spiderman 3 was the worst of all three Spiderman movies, the second one was by far better in all aspects. But when it comes to the Dark Knight, that movie blows away Spiderman 3. The Dark Knight is great on so many levels, from the story, to the acting, to the depth of its themes. Lest we not forget that its on its way up in the list of top 10 biggest grossing movies of ALL TIME.


There was nothing memorable about dark knight... except two face - he looked like two face.. joker did an okay performance. bruce wayne/batman has no personality - maybe it was intended that way. i just didn't care for it...

What were you watching? It couldn't have been the Dark Knight.


as for you saying the ratings would go up.. you better find where you said that... i read your columns, and some of your posts and kinda skimmed the vow.

I don't think Glenn Gilberti has to find where he said anything for someone on the internet.. if you can't find it then you'll either have to take his word for it or simply not believe him.


i have said a little a month ago that ratings would reach 1.5 if they do 30 weeks consecutive with this direciton. i have more to lose than anything.. because they have never passed 1.2. But i'm very confident that this direction - led by Russo - will draw. that is if TNA is not stupid enough to cut the direction again due to some whining critics/fans online

Yes, you say this everywhere and over and over again.


I have a question for Glenn, though: What wrestler in TNA do you believe has the most potential to draw better ratings in the main event and bring the top tier of the roster doing better numbers then the Knockouts? I'm always shocked that none of the "main eventers" can boost ratings even to the equal numbers the Knockouts get.
 
It got voted 9.3 in imdb.. I watched it and it didn't live up to the hype in my eyes. I dont think you said the ratings would go up. i didn't listen to your entire interview... as for the kurt angle dates.. those shows were pretty good but then they kinda went down a bit. and now they're up again... yeah, the funny stuff is good...

I didn't like the dark knight, and didn't really mark out. I think it's the most overrated movie of all time and doens't fall in my top 150 movies of all time. It's just a fad - and got attention due to heath ledger. I hate Bale's stupid deep voice.

Spider-Man 3 dominates the show due to all the swerves, twists, great story, entertainment, and humour. Memento, nolans' other flick rules.. and dark knight is just too overrated.. I might get heat here too but I don't care.. i dont care what imdb said.

There was nothing memorable about dark knight... except two face - he looked like two face.. joker did an okay performance. bruce wayne/batman has no personality - maybe it was intended that way. i just didn't care for it...


as for you saying the ratings would go up.. you better find where you said that... i read your columns, and some of your posts and kinda skimmed the vow

i have said a little a month ago that ratings would reach 1.5 if they do 30 weeks consecutive with this direciton. i have more to lose than anything.. because they have never passed 1.2. But i'm very confident that this direction - led by Russo - will draw. that is if TNA is not stupid enough to cut the direction again due to some whining critics/fans online

wrestling rulebook article. 5 weeks ago. i can tell from reading the shows on paper whether they'll do well in the ratings, and i think we've gone up every week since then
 
This is why you have NO credibility in my eyes and your opinions always make me chuckle. Spiderman 3 was the worst of all three Spiderman movies, the second one was by far better in all aspects. But when it comes to the Dark Knight, that movie blows away Spiderman 3. The Dark Knight is great on so many levels, from the story, to the acting, to the depth of its themes. Lest we not forget that its on its way up in the list of top 10 biggest grossing movies of ALL TIME.




What were you watching? It couldn't have been the Dark Knight.




I don't think Glenn Gilberti has to find where he said anything for someone on the internet.. if you can't find it then you'll either have to take his word for it or simply not believe him.




Yes, you say this everywhere and over and over again.


I have a question for Glenn, though: What wrestler in TNA do you believe has the most potential to draw better ratings in the main event and bring the top tier of the roster doing better numbers then the Knockouts? I'm always shocked that none of the "main eventers" can boost ratings even to the equal numbers the Knockouts get.

i'm not sure the boys can draw higher than the girls. it's good to know the girls can do so well, because we'd get some pretty good numbers once the guys start outdrawing them, i would eventually hope.
 
GG, it's zero surprise to me that the ratings have gone up. This sort of style is more appealing to the casual viewer.

But have you reckoned against the awesome power of Internet criticism?! When TNA were doing a run of 1.2s in 2007, the excuses (and lack of grace) from the "experts" were legendary.

So, we can expect at least three arguments now:

1) People are only watching because it's a trainwreck. They can't possibly be watching because they like it!

2) Ratings don't get TNA any money, so they don't matter!

3) The buyrates suck, dammit!

This news come at a time when Meltzer himself just announced that TNA"is doing very well financially to the point they are now paying Panda Energy back on the tens of millions they put into the company the first few years before it started breaking even."

Oh, well, I guess the critics are going to have to change the "TNA is about to die" tune...
 
Hey Glenn, I was listening to Hardcore Sports Radio show on Sirius earlier and right before Dana White came on they played a commercial with you talking about your fantasy picks and how you picked them wrong for so long or something.
 
In my opinion theres a different between being a informed fan and a internet fan. my definiation of a internet fan is someone who jumps on a bandwagon instead of developing their own opinions, would rather have Dave Meltzer opinion as their opinion. Thinks that there's only one way style of wrestling(i.e thinks Puroresu is the shit and WWE storytelling style "sucks) and dissmisses everything else as "shit", believes everything a site reports ( Just because a site says something doesnt mean its a 100% correct). Over analysis's every little thing in wrestling.

A informed fan in my view, is a fan who reads reports, but instead of developing Dave Meltzer's opinion; develops one of their own. Can enjoy wrestling for wrestling and not over analysis everything. Reads the wrestling news sites but takes things they report with a grain of salt, just incase later down the line, they turn out to be false.

No, an internet fan is literally what it is. A wrestling fan doing whatever on the internet. You are an internet fan. Paulsoprano is an internet fan. Marty2Hotty is an internet fan. We on this forum are internet fans, whether you want to admit it or not. This forum is a part of the IWC whether you want to be a part of it or not.

I don't get why people in this thread have to attack something they are a part of, the IWC. Hypocritical much? Why is it a sin to be a member of the Internet Wrestling Community?

Your definition of 'internet fan' is trying to speak for all of ROH nuthuggers. This fits a lot of the IWC's WWE nuthuggers. Some people in this thread are right about just enjoying the show. They always overanalyze things in wrestling when they have never been in the ring:

- Shelton's too sloppy
- Triple H is a good worker
- All of ROH's wrestlers have baaaaaad psychology
- This match was too spotty
- CM Punk can't tell a story
- Kennedy/Joe/Shelton has been in the business for 5 minutes, therefore he can't be world champion
 
This is why you have NO credibility in my eyes and your opinions always make me chuckle. Spiderman 3 was the worst of all three Spiderman movies, the second one was by far better in all aspects. But when it comes to the Dark Knight, that movie blows away Spiderman 3. The Dark Knight is great on so many levels, from the story, to the acting, to the depth of its themes. Lest we not forget that its on its way up in the list of top 10 biggest grossing movies of ALL TIME.
The Russo fans on the other board say the same thing and I posted a long statement as to why spider-man 3 IN MY EYES dominated Dark Knight. If you want me to post that info, i'll do it. I don't think I need to.

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There was nothing memorable about dark knight... except two face - he looked like two face.. joker did an okay performance. bruce wayne/batman has no personality - maybe it was intended that way. i just didn't care for it...

What were you watching? It couldn't have been the Dark Knight.
It was... It was okay.. nothing spectacular... EXTREMELY overrated

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as for you saying the ratings would go up.. you better find where you said that... i read your columns, and some of your posts and kinda skimmed the vow.

I don't think Glenn Gilberti has to find where he said anything for someone on the internet.. if you can't find it then you'll either have to take his word for it or simply not believe him.
I dont think he said it... but i can be proved wrong.. I have stated many times in my arguments that TNA's ratings would increase slowly to 1.5 in over half a year if TNA stays this direction..

I say it all the time and hope the "IWC" isn't stupid enough to make them stop a direction that is OBVIOUSLY working

wrestling rulebook article. 5 weeks ago. i can tell from reading the shows on paper whether they'll do well in the ratings, and i think we've gone up every week since then
It depends on what you're reading though. Russo writes shows different than "wrestler a pins wrestler b" and most of the spoilers on paper don't go into detail all the pretapes that are funny.

I know a Russo show draws to the masses. a lot of the iwc says he "killed wcw" which is stupid.. If Russo writes, the ratings will go up in time. when you were arguing with i think cash and someone, you said that people like schultz shouldn't bitch at a show that's drawing ratings because TNA may read it and believe it and revert back to boring wrestling matches and never grow. I marked out to that because that is what i have always been saying..

I dont think any other wrestler or someone in the business has the views that glenn has. I know Russo used to do a shitload of interviews and I'd mark out to a lot of what this guy said but he's kinda stayed away from the interviews for the past few years...

I have a question for Glenn, though: What wrestler in TNA do you believe has the most potential to draw better ratings in the main event and bring the top tier of the roster doing better numbers then the Knockouts? I'm always shocked that none of the "main eventers" can boost ratings even to the equal numbers the Knockouts get.

i'm not sure the boys can draw higher than the girls. it's good to know the girls can do so well, because we'd get some pretty good numbers once the guys start outdrawing them, i would eventually hope.
My opinion is the "boys" can. I am not too concerned with what wrestlers draw in the main event. If your shows are exciting/well booked, the ratings are going to be high in time throughout the show and down the line and it wouldn't matter too much who's "headlining" the main event, IMO.

There have been times where TNA put women on the show (boringly) and expected the rating to go up. It did .9. It's how you use them. They were booked in an exciting match with a fun finish/aftermath this week, and everything else on the show (russo-style) clicked

MisterRob, it's not just "i'm going to put women in the main event and the ratings will go up" - it's how you book the show from top to bottom.. just see the ratings during the attitude era and you'll see what i mean

I hate it when keller/meltzer reads into the quarterlys and a 1 min segment by a say MMG can have them put the blame on MMG killing the show's rating.. What annoys me more if the fans online reading that BS believes it and regurgitates what they say

bottom line: Attitude era had an edgey product in 97 (still holds up over anything today) - more eyes were with WCW. WWF pushed it further and further and had a HUGE buzz with Tyson. The peopel that sampled the product due to the hype DONE WELL (shoving austin, joining hbk in DX) stayed and enjoyed the show

WWE today does all these stunts with Trump, holyfield, but their product sucks so bad that anyone who samples the show leaves as soon as the celebs leave.. because the shows are not good/compelling enough to keep the viewers who sampel the product

TNA has Russo booking.. and he writes a show that keeps you intrigued at what's gonna happen in future shows, and entertaining/characters. One huge publicity stunt in allignment with Russo's writing will propel TNA to the next level (im gonna bold this)

So, we can expect at least three arguments now:

1) People are only watching because it's a trainwreck. They can't possibly be watching because they like it!

2) Ratings don't get TNA any money, so they don't matter!

3) The buyrates suck, dammit!
I agree paulsoprano. Bullshit.. I hated Chris Cash for saying that 1) argument. That's the stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.. 2) is absolutely bullshit as well.. If you double your TV audience, you're going to grow the rest of your other revenue streams as more poeple are willing to invest in yoru show. Why else do poeple want to advertise during superbowl - more people = more potential for money. the same applies for your wrestling show hyping ppvs. 3) buys grow in time.. russo tripled the audeince in WWF - the buyrates exponentially increased as well - this was a pure entertainment/edgy direction and intriguing shows on a week to week basis for 2 1/2 years.. He needs a long run booking for this to happen for TNA

This news come at a time when Meltzer himself just announced that TNA"is doing very well financially to the point they are now paying Panda Energy back on the tens of millions they put into the company the first few years before it started breaking even."

fantastic news

http://www.wrestlezone.com/column.php?articleid=216084634

As for Glenn saying that he said the ratings would go up in his column above, i'm only able to find:

"The shows for the next three weeks of Impact I've seen look strong on paper. I'll make a bold statement that they'll do good, ratings wise."

Nothing really saying that they will do a visible increase or anyting. "do good ratings-wise" can mean keeping a 'strong' .9-1.0. as for looking "strong" on paper.. aren't you there to see the shows live? you should be able to know what the show is going to be like based on being there and seeing what happens.

i have a question for glenn.. if you are allowed to answer.. what do you do for TNA? Do you produce any segments or have any input on say the prince justice of brother hood segments when you help produce them? are you speaking with vince russo about finishes, how the action is choreographed in the ring, etc?
 
I know a Russo show draws to the masses.

That's certainly yet to be proven in TNA. The show had its highest numbers in a 1.36 rating among male teenagers, which comes as no surprise since the cartoonish characters and flawed storylines are what children enjoy. But for smarter, older, more experienced people and the main demographic to aim for in wrestling, the numbers don't lie.. they got a 0.6 in the male 18-34 demographic. That's pretty horrid, don't you think? Where's this drawing to the masses?


My opinion is the "boys" can. I am not too concerned with what wrestlers draw in the main event. If your shows are exciting/well booked, the ratings are going to be high in time throughout the show and down the line and it wouldn't matter too much who's "headlining" the main event, IMO.

What is your opinion based on, blind faith? It certainly isn't based on knowing the "boys" in the locker room, or understanding the wrestling business from any experience or inside knowledge. Yes, its good to have a show thats well booked from top to bottom, and its good to have a roster thats solid from top to bottom, but I'm sure every wrestling promotion is pretty concerned with their top draws in the main event. You certainly can't sell a PPV well if the card is made up of no star value that people want to see, which perhaps is a telling sign of TNA's buyrates. That's why every major sporting/entertainment event from boxing to MMA to wrestling promotes their shows based on top names and star power. So whether you, as a fan, aren't concerned about whose 'headlining' a main event on a show or ppv I do believe TNA probably is.

MisterRob, it's not just "i'm going to put women in the main event and the ratings will go up" - it's how you book the show from top to bottom.. just see the ratings during the attitude era and you'll see what i mean.

When did I ever make any statement like this? Read.


WWE today does all these stunts with Trump, holyfield, but their product sucks so bad that anyone who samples the show leaves as soon as the celebs leave.. because the shows are not good/compelling enough to keep the viewers who sampel the product.

It sucks to you, the masses wouldn't agree. Using Trump or Mayweather were publicity stunts to gain more attention and in turn bring more buyrates for their PPVs and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened and the proof is in their PPV buyrates, so these examples were entirely successful. And you'd have to compare the ratings at those times (for these exampleso of yours) to the ratings now to make any argument you're trying to make actually valid.. otherwise its merely you tossing an unproven statement. WWE's ratings have been growing.


TNA has Russo booking.. and he writes a show that keeps you intrigued at what's gonna happen in future shows, and entertaining/characters. One huge publicity stunt in allignment with Russo's writing will propel TNA to the next level.

Once again the key demographic of 18-35 year old males is at a 0.6 for TNA, so obviously we don't find it as intriguing, entertaining, or enjoyable as children. While Smackdown this week was the highest rated network show in both children and adult males so obviously they ARE doing something right.


I have a question for glenn.. if you are allowed to answer.. what do you do for TNA? Do you produce any segments or have any input on say the prince justice of brother hood segments when you help produce them? are you speaking with vince russo about finishes, how the action is choreographed in the ring, etc?

I wonder if Gilberti gets tired of answering the same questions all the time? I did find his guest appearance on the Spin Cycle when the Knockouts teased him about most poorly dressed rather amusing.


I have a final question for Glenn Gilberti: Is it a common thing for television shows to "round up" their final rating?
 
what did he say? i can't subject my brain to sitting in front of a computer for 30 minutes and watch some nerd tell me I don't know what i'm talking about again.

My First post on Wrestlezone.com Forums. Glenn I agree with probably almost everything you post on the forums, and in your columns. Your posts here on the forums are absolutely hilarious, and loved reading them (Myself and Slyfox just laugh so hard, and the fans responses here on WZ, and PW, the Vince Russo stuff cracks me up.) Your knowledge on these boards make the TNA discussion that much more exciiting and accurate. I read a few of the sites reviews, and its pretty weird. Whenever I personally like an episode of IMPACT, the reviews are bad. Then an episode I don't like, the reviews are like the show were good. I do not like reviewing the shows all the match (or any show) for that matter. I just watch because I find it entertaining (even though a few things bother me) but thats not why I watch the shows.

I watched the video, and he basically said that ROH is the best thing ever, and TNA can be good if they know what they are doing, as if he knows how to book/write a show. I don't understand how the fans attack your wrestling career, rather than debate the actual argument that you post. By the way, I was a big fan of the Disco Inferno. I'm not even sucking up to you either. I am probably the biggest Jeff Jarrett fan there is, and I would like to know, whether or not my favorite TNA wrestler, Jeff Jarrett is going to get back into the ring, because I enjoy him alot. His runs as NWA Champion were pretty good. I use to love hearing the internet fans hate on him. Cause, it pretty much tells he doing his job as World Heavyweight Champion.
 
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I know a Russo show draws to the masses.

That's certainly yet to be proven in TNA. The show had its highest numbers in a 1.36 rating among male teenagers, which comes as no surprise since the cartoonish characters and flawed storylines are what children enjoy. But for smarter, older, more experienced people and the main demographic to aim for in wrestling, the numbers don't lie.. they got a 0.6 in the male 18-34 demographic. That's pretty horrid, don't you think? Where's this drawing to the masses?
Russo changed the landscape of the attitude era in over a year. Not one month.

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My opinion is the "boys" can. I am not too concerned with what wrestlers draw in the main event. If your shows are exciting/well booked, the ratings are going to be high in time throughout the show and down the line and it wouldn't matter too much who's "headlining" the main event, IMO.

What is your opinion based on, blind faith? It certainly isn't based on knowing the "boys" in the locker room, or understanding the wrestling business from any experience or inside knowledge. Yes, its good to have a show thats well booked from top to bottom, and its good to have a roster thats solid from top to bottom, but I'm sure every wrestling promotion is pretty concerned with their top draws in the main event. You certainly can't sell a PPV well if the card is made up of no star value that people want to see, which perhaps is a telling sign of TNA's buyrates. That's why every major sporting/entertainment event such from boxing to MMA to wrestling promotes their shows based on top names and star power.
My opinion is based on great shows draw no matter who is there. if the characters are developed well, the drama/tension is compelling, the humour is working, it doesn't matter who's main eventing your show if you have developed the story and characters well. You can see ratings for past wrestling shows he or WCW booked that drew. It wasn't just women drawing the highest ratings, although Sable did draw high numbers. Women obviously draws, but good entertainment draws too. Even patterson/brisco draws if they're used in an entertaining way.. same with rock and foley and austin and hart..

WWE today does all these stunts with Trump, holyfield, but their product sucks so bad that anyone who samples the show leaves as soon as the celebs leave.. because the shows are not good/compelling enough to keep the viewers who sampel the product./
It sucks to you, the masses wouldn't agree. Using Trump or Mayweather were publicity stunts to gain more attention and in turn bring more buyrates for their PPVs and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened and the proof is in their PPV buyrates, so these examples were entirely successful. And you'd have to compare the ratings for these examples to the ratings now to make any argument you're trying to make actual valid.. otherwise its merely you tossing an unproven statement. WWE's ratings have been growing.
WWE's intention was to grab a new audience, and have them stay with the product. WWE has failed to do that becuase their product is a piece of shit. Tyson hype retained all the viewers that sampled the product because it was written well and done well - ala Russo.

WWE's ratings have dropped from 3.6 to 3.4 this week. They're always lingering in the mid 3s low 3s. They haven't grown their audience with their product and I"m not expecting it to do so anytime soon (for the next few years). Russo booking TNA in long term will most likely bring them close to WWE's ratings in the long run. I'd bet on it.

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TNA has Russo booking.. and he writes a show that keeps you intrigued at what's gonna happen in future shows, and entertaining/characters. One huge publicity stunt in allignment with Russo's writing will propel TNA to the next level.

Once again the key demographic of 18-35 year old males is at a 0.6 for TNA, so obviously we don't find it as intriguing, entertaining, or enjoyable as children. While Smackdown this week was the highest rated network show in both children and adult males so obviously they ARE doing something right.
Russo didn't turn WWE in one month. Show me the demos and overall ratings from the first day he booked WWF to the last day he booked. Show me the buyrates as well.

They got 1.6 million viewers this past week, a show I thoroughly enjoyed, and it was the most viewed show since February. Whatever they have done in the past month, is working. Don't overanazlyse the weekly ratings.. it's not going to go up every single week. His wwf 97 ratings went up and down and there are numerous reasons why this could happen. Bottom line is staying the course with a well written direction (Russo) got them to the 6s in the long run.

I didn't know he was on the spin cycle.... i'll check it out. it was like 30 fuckin minutes haha
 
Russo changed the landscape of the attitude era in over a year. Not one month.

They got 1.6 million viewers this past week, a show I thoroughly enjoyed, and it was the most viewed show since February. Whatever they have done in the past month, is working. Don't overanazlyse the weekly ratings.. it's not going to go up every single week. His wwf 97 ratings went up and down and there are numerous reasons why this could happen. Bottom line is staying the course with a well written direction (Russo) got them to the 6s in the long run.

That was in no way my argument nor is it a defense to my argument. When the key male demographic of 18-35 is decreasing from previous years rather then increasing that's not a good sign. They're not going to reach any high numbers in the future with strictly a fan base watching of children and old men, I'll predict that much.


WWE's intention was to grab a new audience, and have them stay with the product. WWE has failed to do that becuase their product is a piece of shit. Tyson hype retained all the viewers that sampled the product because it was written well and done well - ala Russo.

Your opinion isn't fact, sorry to say. If you can't prove your argument is even actually true then you have no point at all.


WWE's ratings have dropped from 3.6 to 3.4 this week. They're always lingering in the mid 3s low 3s. They haven't grown their audience with their product and I"m not expecting it to do so anytime soon (for the next few years). Russo booking TNA in long term will most likely bring them close to WWE's ratings in the long run. I'd bet on it.

The fact is that you're referencing the ratings of RAW alone. RAW increased over several weeks to the 3.6 number and has now dropped to 3.4 this week. No different then TNA's fluctuation, aside from the fact that RAW actually increased this past month. ECW's rating has increased once again back to 1.5 this week. And Smackdown did a 2.4 (and again I point out that it was the highest rated network show in every male demographic from children to adults.) So yes, overall WWE is growing their audience on their separate shows and your argument is wrong.

I do hope TNA does keep improving, but I really think they need to do more to bring in that 18-35 demographic if they're going to keep improving their ratings overall and building their audience. Children grow up and at least half are probably likely to get bored with what they enjoyed as a child, or their tastes will change, and they'll be drawn to other things.. while old men are destined to die.. so without that middle audience ratings won't be rising to the heights YOU hope in the long term.
 
I do hope TNA does keep improving, but I really think they need to do more to bring in that 18-35 demographic if they're going to keep improving their ratings overall and building their audience. Children grow up and at least half are probably likely to get bored with what they enjoyed as a child, or their tastes will change, and they'll be drawn to other things.. while old men are destined to die.. so without that middle audience ratings won't be rising to the heights YOU hope in the long term.

This is silly. Yes children grow up but more children come along to replace them, and I don't think that people in their late 30s/40s are likely to be dying any time soon. This is not why male 18-35 is important.

The reason that the male 18-35 demographic is seen as the target audience for wrestling shows, is because that is probably the most desirable audience for advertisers. So if you have 1.6 million viewers all 18-35 males, you will get a lot more advertising revenue than if your 1.6 million viewers are all children.
 
MisterRob makes stupid comments day in and day out.

No, 35-50 year olds aren't going to die tommorrow plus they have established careers so they likely have money to buy TNA PPVs.

18-35 year olds are important but people don't understand that the real important ones are the age demographic of 28-35 because they have money

As for advertisers the rates for the age demographic of men 18-35 are much lower than for teens because a supply and demand type rate. Everybody targets 18-35 year olds.

I will jump on the other comments Mister Rob and Marty2Hotty have made recently, soon.
 
MisterRob makes stupid comments day in and day out.

No, 35-50 year olds aren't going to die tommorrow plus they have established careers so they likely have money to buy TNA PPVs.

18-35 year olds are important but people don't understand that the real important ones are the age demographic of 28-35 because they have money

As for advertisers the rates for the age demographic of men 18-35 are much lower than for teens because a supply and demand type rate. Everybody targets 18-35 year olds.

I will jump on the other comments Mister Rob and Marty2Hotty have made recently, soon.

Whose making the stupid comments? I never said they were going to die tomorrow, I said in the LONG TERM the old demographic isn't going to be successful for TNA's audience. And the comment about them having established careers and have the money to buy TNA PPVs is just as stupid as anything I could say, because the buyrates for PPVs for TNA aren't carrying the company to massive success, are they? Since when are old people the ones buying TNA PPVs? I'd love to see the facts for this argument.

And the 28-35 demographic fits INTO the 18-35 demgraphic.. :blink: So what the hell's your point? TNA isn't drawing either of those demographics therefore they're failing to earn the money from them, or the long term audience from them.
 
Glenn, LOL, looks like another Youtube Shooter made a video about you. He goes by the name MoralVirus and yes he's a ROH Mark lol. This video is actually entertaining as he obviously put a lot of time into it with music, graphics, etc. Don't worry, it's only 8 minutes and I think you'll get a chuckle of the sheer stupidity of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEe0SHXfso

Sheer Stupidity? How about sheer brilliance. MoralVirus exposed Mr. Gilberti's hypocrisy of the column's he writes. Unlike you and the rest of the pinheads, MoralVirus and I do not drink Mr. Gilberti's kool aid. ROH 4 Life.
 
Whose making the stupid comments? I never said they were going to die tomorrow, I said in the LONG TERM the old demographic isn't going to be successful for TNA's audience. And the comment about them having established careers and have the money to buy TNA PPVs is just as stupid as anything I could say, because the buyrates for PPVs for TNA aren't carrying the company to massive success, are they? Since when are old people the ones buying TNA PPVs? I'd love to see the facts for this argument.

And the 28-35 demographic fits INTO the 18-35 demgraphic.. :blink: So what the hell's your point? TNA isn't drawing either of those demographics therefore they're failing to earn the money from them, or the long term audience from them.


I apologize, you didn't say they would die tommorrow but you implied that 35-50 year olds are old people, disrespectful if you ask me.

Let's do some analyzing of the ratings. TNA does well with teenagers, they do well with 35-50 year olds but they seem to not do well with 18-35 year olds. I bet that if TNA had some sort of chart saying what product they are most popular with, the age range of 23-28 would be the lowest. Some are in college, not spending money on PPVs and others are paying back college loans and just starting their careers. Do you think they have as much money as people who have extra money. I bet many of the buys TNA has comes from the 35-50 year old range. I am in the 18-35 year old range and I love the product. By the way you write and react you seem to be a hotheaded teenager likely 17-19. Of course you don't like TNA.

Every week Marty comes on here and spouts his love for TNA while you spout your hate for TNA. It seems to me that unless you have a progressive way of thinking, you will hate TNA. I have my problems with TNA just like everyone else, however I have an open mind and attempt to understand where TNA is coming from.

Adolescence- you know something about it right. That to me is the phase TNA is going through. They were being supported by their parent company (Panda Energy) and were doing everything right like the dream child. Then they broke out and did everything on their own. They are in a new neighborhood, they make new enemies, who seem to criticize every mistake they make, and since they are a young company, they will be making alot of them until they decide where they want to go and what their vision is. Why do you think they keep on switching between focuses, because they still have to determine where they want to take the company.

I am not sure if you are an ROH Fan but you need to understand that even ROH, when they make it to where TNA is (like in 10 years) they will be making the same mistakes TNA has, and we shall see how loyal their fans are.
 
I apologize, you didn't say they would die tommorrow but you implied that 35-50 year olds are old people, disrespectful if you ask me.

Disrespectful or not I claimed that the older demographic will not be a successful audience for the LONG TERM and I entirely stand by that statement.


Let's do some analyzing of the ratings. TNA does well with teenagers, they do well with 35-50 year olds but they seem to not do well with 18-35 year olds. I bet that if TNA had some sort of chart saying what product they are most popular with, the age range of 23-28 would be the lowest. Some are in college, not spending money on PPVs and others are paying back college loans and just starting their careers. Do you think they have as much money as people who have extra money. I bet many of the buys TNA has comes from the 35-50 year old range. I am in the 18-35 year old range and I love the product. By the way you write and react you seem to be a hotheaded teenager likely 17-19. Of course you don't like TNA.

Firstly, no I don't fit into the 17-19 demograph, I'm definitely older then that. Secondly, you're not talking about ratings you're analyzing buyrates for PPVs. The ratings that prove TNA is drawing 0.6 of the 18-35 male demographic is for TELEVISION not for PPV. The reason 18-35 males aren't watching TNA television has nothing to do with spending money.. it has to do with a lack of interest in the product. The 18-35 demograph is DEFINITELY watching television they're just not watching TNA's product and when they're not watching that means they certainly aren't buying PPVs.


Every week Marty comes on here and spouts his love for TNA while you spout your hate for TNA. It seems to me that unless you have a progressive way of thinking, you will hate TNA. I have my problems with TNA just like everyone else, however I have an open mind and attempt to understand where TNA is coming from.

I don't hate TNA as an entity at all. I was a fan of TNA years ago, I'm a fan of many of TNA's talents, and I would love to see them be a success and rise far beyond where they are right.. what I hate is the product they're giving us right now. Those are two different things. I give praise to TNA when I feel its warranted, but the product I watch right now gives me no option but to criticize it because I find it really bad, yet I still have hope they can improve and offer me, eventually, a product I can praise and enjoy. But certainly not with the direction they're going right now.


I am not sure if you are an ROH Fan but you need to understand that even ROH, when they make it to where TNA is (like in 10 years) they will be making the same mistakes TNA has, and we shall see how loyal their fans are.

I'm not a ROH fan; I'm a wrestling fan in general and I have both praise and criticism as a wrestling fan for WWE, TNA, and ROH. I watch them all, and I don't have ONLY hate or ONLY love for any of the promotions. TNA is just the worst of those products right now.
 
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