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Glenn Gilbertti has submitted a new column as of 7/26/2008:
http://www.wrestlezone.com/column.php?articleid=219105942
First, I want to be part of "The Disco Nation" and I have been doing this for much longer than anyone else probably.. attacking those who bash Russo, entertainment, comedy.. killing the "myth" that Russo was "filtered' by McMahon completely (see the stuff he wrote that got on the air). I've been online more since TNA started in 2002..
As for this column, I think this has to be one of my favourite columns.. sometimes, Gilbertti writes bullshit about WWE - shit i dont care about. I dont care about CM Punk and neither does the fans. He's just some jobber that WWE slapped the belt on and hope that he gets over. He gets zero reaction from the fans. and there is probably like 3 signs for the guy on a WWE Raw.. probably unrelated to his talent.
Most popular writer on wrestlezone.com.. whoo hoo.. lots of fat, bald overweight guys who like workrate voting for this guy! Sorry, just joining in on the fun.. dont take it as flaming or an insult
What is scary about this is I wrote almost the exact same thing on another TNA board I post at, which always gets filled with the same typical arguments. I said comedy does draw.. what do you mean it doesnt. YOu have guys like Rock and Sock.. if people watch a show on TV and are entertained, laugh, they will end up liking the characteres, quoting them, talking about them. This leads to more people talking.. and people will most likely attend shows, buy ppvs, buy merchandise pertaining to a favourite "funny" character they like
Rock always uses humour.. see his promos.. Austin is always funny - in his exchanges with McMahon. Socko got over, and that's all comedy... Manking and Foley's exchanges are alll comedy
DIsqo, while a lot of people didn't get him, I found a lot of his stuff in WCW funny.. the filthy animals stuff. Chris Jericho - WCW was super over due to comedy - "Mondya NIght Jericho" shirts sold like crazy...
Hell, Shark Boy's shirt is still on the shoptna.com top 10 bestsellers.. not sure if it's fake or not.. but he's funny. Angle can be hilarious and serious and there's nothign wrong with main eventers using humour. Nash is absolutely hilarious and he's one of the main reasons why I watch. He's done so much great stuff for TNA over the past few years.. so has Angle
I think Joe needs some humour.. but i guess TNA wants to use him solely as a badass. AJ Styles was hilarious back in the day (january), same with christian. But back to making money... see all the wwf/wcw guys i mentioned above. People want to be entertained: that's why comedy sitcoms can draw huge ratings
so i thinkw e should just watch and see where the kaz story goes.. i think it's fun. but people online may try to spoil the fun
Glenn puts a lot of posters he "respects" on the column, but didn't put any of my posts.. i guess i'm "too" smart..
It might be funny to see a real wrestler get his ass kickded by a real mma fighter though...
Total idiot...
Lost comparison = hilarious, true and gold
I officially want to be the first member to want to join "The Disco Nation"
Peace
http://www.wrestlezone.com/column.php?articleid=219105942
First, I want to be part of "The Disco Nation" and I have been doing this for much longer than anyone else probably.. attacking those who bash Russo, entertainment, comedy.. killing the "myth" that Russo was "filtered' by McMahon completely (see the stuff he wrote that got on the air). I've been online more since TNA started in 2002..
As for this column, I think this has to be one of my favourite columns.. sometimes, Gilbertti writes bullshit about WWE - shit i dont care about. I dont care about CM Punk and neither does the fans. He's just some jobber that WWE slapped the belt on and hope that he gets over. He gets zero reaction from the fans. and there is probably like 3 signs for the guy on a WWE Raw.. probably unrelated to his talent.
Random Thoughts: Eric Stein, Comedy Does Draw, ECW v. ROH, Disco Nation
07/26/2008 by Glenn Gilbertti
*Saw that Eric Stein wanted credit for being the most popular writer at wrestlezone.com. Let yours truly be the first to give him some props. Congratulations, Eric! You're the most popular writer at an internet wrestling site! Whoo-hoo! I guess the best comparison to that honor that i can make is that it would be the equivalent of getting voted Man of the Year at a Dungeons and Dragons convention.
*Kevin Kelly's article should read "Disco is ALWAYS right." Good to see someone else with half a brain agree with my assessment that wrestlers should learn to work a gimmick, instead of learning how to beat the piss out of each other.
Most popular writer on wrestlezone.com.. whoo hoo.. lots of fat, bald overweight guys who like workrate voting for this guy! Sorry, just joining in on the fun.. dont take it as flaming or an insult
*Gotta disagree with Mark Madden on his assumption that comedy doesn't draw. That fallacy has been around for so long that it's still used as a guideline of how to book an angle. It would have merit if there hasn't been SO MUCH evidence to the contrary. First of all, what does the term "draw money" mean? I would contend that it means draw fans, which has shown over the years to draw money. The Rock and Mick Foley are two of the funniest wrestlers in the history of the business, so it would be foolish and ignorant to say they didn't draw. Stone Cold is funny. Vince Mcmahon is funny. I would actually like someone to point out to me, since I can't actually recall, anything that those guys did that was funny that led to a decline in viewership, ratings, or earnings. Then maybe I would agree that comedy doesn't draw. As for his Kurt Angle assumption, Angle has shown time and time again that when it's time to be vicious, he can be vicious. What the TNA haters fail to see is that when he wants to be funny, Kurt is really good at it. You should never restrict a wrestler's ability to entertain just because you think that comedy doesn't draw.
What is scary about this is I wrote almost the exact same thing on another TNA board I post at, which always gets filled with the same typical arguments. I said comedy does draw.. what do you mean it doesnt. YOu have guys like Rock and Sock.. if people watch a show on TV and are entertained, laugh, they will end up liking the characteres, quoting them, talking about them. This leads to more people talking.. and people will most likely attend shows, buy ppvs, buy merchandise pertaining to a favourite "funny" character they like
Rock always uses humour.. see his promos.. Austin is always funny - in his exchanges with McMahon. Socko got over, and that's all comedy... Manking and Foley's exchanges are alll comedy
DIsqo, while a lot of people didn't get him, I found a lot of his stuff in WCW funny.. the filthy animals stuff. Chris Jericho - WCW was super over due to comedy - "Mondya NIght Jericho" shirts sold like crazy...
Hell, Shark Boy's shirt is still on the shoptna.com top 10 bestsellers.. not sure if it's fake or not.. but he's funny. Angle can be hilarious and serious and there's nothign wrong with main eventers using humour. Nash is absolutely hilarious and he's one of the main reasons why I watch. He's done so much great stuff for TNA over the past few years.. so has Angle
I think Joe needs some humour.. but i guess TNA wants to use him solely as a badass. AJ Styles was hilarious back in the day (january), same with christian. But back to making money... see all the wwf/wcw guys i mentioned above. People want to be entertained: that's why comedy sitcoms can draw huge ratings
This Kaz thing got people talking.. especially wen it was on the tna website with him parting ways, but showing up on karen's angle. it works well with the story. people online like to think they're smarter than everyone else and attempt to spoil the fun. I do see newz sites saying "THIS IS A WORK"... it is difficult to be real.. but most of us still dont know yet. we're basing it off a few reports..*When I started writing on this site, i wrote about how the internet is hurting the business. In this day and age you can't do angles based on realism. So when you go the other route and go over the top, it's shot down as being too hokey. Nothing shows that evidence better than the recent Kaz angle. Now I personally don't know if it's a shoot or not, since i haven't spoken to anyone involved, but I couldn't believe how the bloodthirsty internet news people couldn't wait to get the story up on the various sites that it was a work before the angle ever got a chance to get shown on tv. Think about that. They wouldn't even give the fans a chance to try and suspend disbelief. "KAZ FIRING IS A WORK! WHEN YOU WATCH IMPACT THIS THURSDAY, REMEMBER THAT IT'S JUST AN ANGLE!" I think that I would be hard pressed to find a counter argument that the professional wrestling business could live without the wrestling "news" sites. I honestly don't think any of them like wrestling, that instead they just live for no other purpose than to show the 5 percent of the fanbase that thinks it's real that they're smarter than they are.
so i thinkw e should just watch and see where the kaz story goes.. i think it's fun. but people online may try to spoil the fun
Glenn puts a lot of posters he "respects" on the column, but didn't put any of my posts.. i guess i'm "too" smart..
I agree with that.. but when angle beat those three guys, it was a little different. I dont' mind seeing some attempts to do that every now and then . see Brawl For All... anything different is good. Just dont try and make your entire show MMA....Slyfox 696: "If I'm a MMA fan and don't watch wrestling, why would I be entertained by two guys pretending to do MMA, when I can watch the real thing? Gilbertti's point was that you're not going to entertain MMA fans with fake MMA, especially since one of the biggest appeals to MMA is the fact that it IS real."
It might be funny to see a real wrestler get his ass kickded by a real mma fighter though...
I post on a forum where people overanalyze the quarterlys and they say "oh, the segment lost 89,034 viewers.. get them off" - i pretty much made this entire post, but didn't use Lost/Meltzer/Keller as an example. that is funny - touche.. I do find it ridiculous that when Shark boy was on a segment that made the quarterly say drop from 1.17 to 1.08 - Keller uses that 1 minute segment where it may have had two commercial breaks and says SHark boy signglehandedly lost all the viewerspaulsoprano: "To be fair, I think what GG means is that it would be rare for your average TV viewer to analyze a TV show's ratings like a lot of "experts" on the net do.
Can you imagine, for instance, if they did a quarter-by-quarter dissection for a show like Lost?
If Meltzer of Keller critiqued Lost, it'd probably go something like:
"The show started with 15 million viewers, but they lost 156,000 when Sawyer and Jack built a raft. This "friendship" storyline is not over with the viewers, and they haven't properly established who the face is. People tuned out because of this!
The flashback with Ben gained 226,000 viewers, because everyone loves flashbacks! This emphasizes that the viewers like watching a monster heel. Ben has been well booked in this feud, which makes you think what creative is doing with the rest of the show. Strong build, people!!!
The next quarter, featuring Kate in a thong, gained 100,000 viewers initially, but lost 300,000 by the end of the segment when she had some dialog with Hurley. Hurley is over as a face, but he wasn't booked strongly here, as Kate got most of the lines. Traditionally, fans will tune out when there's too much talking and not enough action.
The show felt very rushed and they are trying to be too cute. The last quarter, where Sawyer turned on Jack, was so obvious. It also failed to gain any new viewers. The show had some alarming trends and finished lower than it started."
The overanalyses and convenient/self-serving conclusions are pretty scary when you look at in this sort of context, are they not?""
Total idiot...
Lost comparison = hilarious, true and gold
Glenn would have fun reading some of the psots on the forum i post at.. they're still going.. i think i sent him a link to a few threads that went on many pages..*I'm going to start a campaign on this site. From now on, anyone with a brain can be a part of THE DISCO NATION, where we will attack the sheep and blind followers of the wrestling "news" pundits. We will think logically, and attack rumors with cold hard facts to defend our arguments. We will be considered cool, because we're not going to be nerds. If you want to be a member, let me know in the official Glenn Gilbertti thread in the TNA forums. I might have you submit to an online i.q. test if I feel your competency is in question.
Please don't try this at home.
I officially want to be the first member to want to join "The Disco Nation"
Peace