[Official] Disco Nation

[he6rt6gr6m]

Its obvious that there was thought behind it.

And no average Wrestling fan would think the NWA was a rip of the nWo! Thats insane!

Due to the NWA always having a good relationship with Independent Organizations, and the fact the company was started by Jerry and Jeff Jarrett, the NWA was an obvious choice, and they ended up with a household name, and a recognized Title.

Haha. The NWA a rip off of the nWo. Possibly the funniest thing Ive heard in ages. Understandably a Child wouldnt know the difference, but if you watched WCW, or even a WWE DVD containing Ric Flair, they would mention the NWA all the time!!

You know what you remind me of? A child who's Father worked in a candy shop. Who went to school and told all the other children what candy was the best and worst, and when any other child stepped up and said I've tasted better/worst than those.. the child who's Father worked in the shop refused to believe the other child's opinion, all because he felt he was right since his Father worked there, and the other child's didn't.

Surely thats not wrong, is it? He has faith in his Father, and his candy, and to him nothing can taste better!

It sounds like a Sexual Innuendo, that, though... Lol.

 

[psykohurricane]

I.m kinda liking this little feud that we got going right now between OneBigWill and Glenn Gilbertti. Why i do respect both guys and they bring out really good points i'm still getting the feeling that if we there was a debate between Will and Glenn, that Glenn would win it hands down.

The thing is there is a difference between being a wrestling fan and being part of the wrestling buiness. The fact is that have been a fan of wrestling for 19 years now and i wouldn'T dare tell a wrestler or a booker how to run is show. I could give them suggestion or write my opinion on something that i don'T like about the buiness but i would never start writing my opinion like am smarter then the guys that as been working in the buiness for 16 years.

So all i got to say is guys, have fun with our little feud because i sure has hell enjoy reading it.

 

[he6rt6gr6m]

I think we've all been guilty of the old "I could write better than these monkeys" comment, when venting frustration at the TV because a wrestler isnt getting pushed, or just a decision that they have made.

At the end of the day, were not in a position to be telling these people how to do their job. Its what they are paid for and they have done it successfully. They have experience, and thats that. We dont. We have watched it and continue to watch it.

Until the day someone goes through the right channels to become as big a name as Vince Russo is in what he does, none of us have the right to tell people what to do.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I.m kinda liking this little feud that we got going right now between OneBigWill and Glenn Gilbertti. Why i do respect both guys and they bring out really good points i'm still getting the feeling that if we there was a debate between Will and Glenn, that Glenn would win it hands down.

The thing is there is a difference between being a wrestling fan and being part of the wrestling buiness. The fact is that have been a fan of wrestling for 19 years now and i wouldn'T dare tell a wrestler or a booker how to run is show. I could give them suggestion or write my opinion on something that i don'T like about the buiness but i would never start writing my opinion like am smarter then the guys that as been working in the buiness for 16 years.

So all i got to say is guys, have fun with our little feud because i sure has hell enjoy reading it.

I truly believe thats the way Glenn sees it, and its very likely thats even the way I'm coming off. Call it my own need to feel right, since I too have wanted to break into the business as a storyline writer/booker. I've endlessly felt I could easily market and promote great feuds, given the right names and gimmicks to work with.

But I want to assure Glenn that I fully do not mean any disrespect toward him, except for whenever he takes cheap jabs at me. In other words, it'll be tit for tat on low blows given out. I respect Glenn for being in the business 16 years on-going, as its a very hard business to remain in.

But at the same time, while I'm not trying to tell him what storyline he should go with.. I am asking him why selective storylines were suddenly cut off with no explanation. And as a fan, if nothing more, I feel I'm owed at least that much. To know why a storyline that seemed to great, is suddenly just stopped, ended and cut short of what it could be.. when in return I get stuck watching two guys fight over a W.W.E. kid's spinner belt for half a year if not longer, in return.

Surely watching a comedy act isn't as entertaining as the possibility of a heated rivalry between an Icon and an up-and-coming Superstar.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I agree with Will. That Candy Shop analogy is perfect. I had a friend in elementary who's father was the sports anchor for a network affiliate in Houston, and his opinion of sprots was gospel. Even if I watched the game and he didn't, according to him, he knew better.

People still continue to say that Disco's idea of Ultimate X makes him a god amongst men. It is an entertaining match, I love it. Good job Disco. But calling him a booking genius for that is like blaming Russo for TNA's death or WWE's success during those respective periods. I know he would be quick to defend Russo, and I agree with him on that.

My problem with Glenn is that he seems to completely disdain smart fans. Any opinion that someone gives is "bullshit" but then he puts his opinions in his blog and on the board. I just happen to think he's wrong. I also think that Will would agree that when Glenn doesn't have an answer he just attempts to condescend and be smart-assy instead of answer.

Like I said before, it's almost like he's trying to bring a 20 year-old gimmick to a message board. It didn't entertain me on TV, and it doesn't entertain me now.

 

[finoj05]

Ultimate X most likely didn't cause any of the writers to really think too hard, but it is a genius idea. It is probably Glenn's greatest contribution to the business and i mean that with full respect to his career.

I have a question for Glenn though, with the team now having a name, is Beer Money Inc. going to become a long term Tag Team or is it just a short-term gimmick? (Of course, this is in hindsight and your own opinion on where you think its going, as i think we can agree on nothing is sure in Pro-Wrestling and plans can change at any moment).

 

[CaseyisBA52'sGFnow]

GIVE IT UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Glen Gilleberti knows more about wrestling than you. Accept this it is a fact. I personaly dont like his attitude about things but he's right about most things. The realy funny thing is that he's killing onebigwill in these so called debates. Disco also has a very good point about the 3'300 posts thing. Who the hell posts that much?

 

[andremt9]

Glenn said that Shark Boy is one of the wrestlers that more sell products in TNA.But if Sharky sells,why he isn't in TNA Impacts and PPVs? If he draws money,he should be in TV.

And another... I read that TNA was on high in Daffney when she made a Tryout against Awesome Kong,so, Bring Daffney with the Shark Girl gimmick(a gimmick of daffney in Indies) and team with Shark Boy,making a couple would be interesting in my opinion

 

[IrishCanadian25]

GIVE IT UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Glen Gilleberti knows more about wrestling than you. Accept this it is a fact. I personaly dont like his attitude about things but he's right about most things. The realy funny thing is that he's killing onebigwill in these so called debates. Disco also has a very good point about the 3'300 posts thing. Who the hell posts that much?

A moderator might. I make about 10-20 posts per day while I am at work to help pass the time. Since when does somebody's post count have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING?

Personally, I like Glenn's take on a lot of stuff, but to write an entire paragraph about somebody's involvement with this site is a sad attempt at taking owness off of himself and trying to call into question somebody's character. I don't respect that move at all. People who post a lot do so in an attempt to create activity on this site for the rest of you, and none of us get paid to do it.

 

[gg inferno]

A moderator might. I make about 10-20 posts per day while I am at work to help pass the time. Since when does somebody's post count have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING?

Personally, I like Glenn's take on a lot of stuff, but to write an entire paragraph about somebody's involvement with this site is a sad attempt at taking owness off of himself and trying to call into question somebody's character. I don't respect that move at all. People who post a lot do so in an attempt to create activity on this site for the rest of you, and none of us get paid to do it.

the number of posts has everything to do with everything. it means you live inside the internet bubble, and all of it's rumor filled message board b.s. To actually think that you're going to debate somebody with my credibility is asinine. the only reason i didn't respond in the forums is because from now on if responding to a post is going to take me more than ten minutes to do, then i'm going to do it in my articles so i'm not actually wasting my time. and i don't know anything about the guy other than his screen name. One Big Will. how could i question his character when i've never seen him nor know his name? maybe he's a good guy and fun to hang out with, but all i did was respond to his message board character.

 

[JDTheIcon]

Glen Gilberti to challenge Samoa Joe or Kurt Angle for the TNA World Title in the near future? Now, I'm not a guy who tries to outtalk wrestlers, or someone who thinks they know more about the business than anybody else. But I really can't see him gunning for the TNA Title...I mean...come on...he hasn't been on TV in a regular capacity for YEARS, and has never been a World Title prospect. This would be a foolish move on TNA's part, especially with guys like Christian Cage, Booker T, and Robert Roode on the roster. To push a road agent who is now "fit enough" to challenge for the TNA World Title is plain stupid. I hope this is a wind up by Gilberti to simply see what reaction he gets from the Wrestlezone fans...and to be perfectly honest, a certain amount of what he's said in his articles has either been questionable or downright idiotic.

 

[theneil450]

Glenn has everyone talking about how they hate/dislike him. This transfers directly to people talking about tna. Glenn in this regard is brilliant.

 

[Tastycles]

I appreciate that there is no one on this site who has the same experience of the internal mechanisms of the wrestling world as you do, but you seem to be unwilling to listen to the opinion of anybody else because you know more, and you are totally dismissive.

I read your blog with interest, and usually, as you said this week I feel I've learned something, but this week's tirade against OneBigWill just led me to think that not only are you not interested in anyone else's opinion, you have to belittle them. It's always "I know better, you're wrong" which is condescending and unecessary.

You're entitled to your opinion, and because of your background, you probably have a much better foundation to your argument. However, that does not give you the right to take the argument ad hominem. That it is a stupid, petulant way of debating a point, and will only serve to lose you the respect of people.

You've said you don't know OneBigWill, so how can you possibly ascertain that he is sucked in to the IWC bullshit? Have you read all of his posts? How do you know that he doesn't take what he reads with a pinch of salt? You don't, which is why you shouldn't slander him. The majority of his posts that I've read, are him discussing his opinions with other people. This is called a forum for a reason, because it's an interchange of opinions and ideas. I sincerely doubt that anyone takes anything they read on here as stone cold fact.

The people on here might not know how and why decisions are made in wrestling, and I appreciate your Cowboys analogy. However, you have to appreciate that you do not see how wrestling looks to the fans, to those on the outside. Imagine you bought a car, and you were driving it. From the inside you would know exactly what speed you were travelling, how much fuel was left, what temperature the oil was and the people that saw you in the car would not know any of this. However, they might be able to see some rust around the wheel arches or some other blemish, that might affect the overall picture of the car.

What I'm trying to say is you might know a hell of a lot more than us about the internal workings of wrestling, but to a lesser extent, we on the outside have a perception of your company that you could never have. Listen to people's opinion, and you might learn something.

Finally, I have made fewer posts than you, which means my opinion is more valid than yours, because that's how it works isn't it?

 

[gg inferno]

I appreciate that there is no one on this site who has the same experience of the internal mechanisms of the wrestling world as you do, but you seem to be unwilling to listen to the opinion of anybody else because you know more, and you are totally dismissive.

I read your blog with interest, and usually, as you said this week I feel I've learned something, but this week's tirade against OneBigWill just led me to think that not only are you not interested in anyone else's opinion, you have to belittle them. It's always "I know better, you're wrong" which is condescending and unecessary.

You're entitled to your opinion, and because of your background, you probably have a much better foundation to your argument. However, that does not give you the right to take the argument ad hominem. That it is a stupid, petulant way of debating a point, and will only serve to lose you the respect of people.

You've said you don't know OneBigWill, so how can you possibly ascertain that he is sucked in to the IWC bullshit? Have you read all of his posts? How do you know that he doesn't take what he reads with a pinch of salt? You don't, which is why you shouldn't slander him. The majority of his posts that I've read, are him discussing his opinions with other people. This is called a forum for a reason, because it's an interchange of opinions and ideas. I sincerely doubt that anyone takes anything they read on here as stone cold fact.

The people on here might not know how and why decisions are made in wrestling, and I appreciate your Cowboys analogy. However, you have to appreciate that you do not see how wrestling looks to the fans, to those on the outside. Imagine you bought a car, and you were driving it. From the inside you would know exactly what speed you were travelling, how much fuel was left, what temperature the oil was and the people that saw you in the car would not know any of this. However, they might be able to see some rust around the wheel arches or some other blemish, that might affect the overall picture of the car.

What I'm trying to say is you might know a hell of a lot more than us about the internal workings of wrestling, but to a lesser extent, we on the outside have a perception of your company that you could never have. Listen to people's opinion, and you might learn something.

Finally, I have made fewer posts than you, which means my opinion is more valid than yours, because that's how it works isn't it?

there are obviously alot of posters with valid opinions, but let me make something perfectly clear. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE LACK OF SIGNIFICANCE AND IMPORTANCE OF INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD POSTING. i pick on specific things i see in here. go back and read will's specific posts as they pertain to me. it sounded to me like he was challenging my opinions. when you do that, then prepare to be humbled. all we're doing is cutting promos on each other in these forums, and to be honest, most of the times i post i try to be funny. if people who's names and faces will never be seen by me are offended, then too bad. i respect alot of the opinions in here, but i don't let them know it, because i don't have to, and i don't have the time. my whole point has a always been, and people that follow my posts should know this, is to correct faulty information, and to spread knowledge, even though it's most often questioned and opposed. maybe everyone that dislikes me can petition the site to get rid of me, and stop my reign of terror on the hopeless and misinformed.

 

[andremt9]

sometime you saw a idea here or in another place in Internet and you thought that could be good in TNA?

cause many times,we read ridiculous ideas in forums,in the question of bookings,but some guys are very smarts and put very interesting opinions to promos and matches and angles,and if the wrestling's promotions listened the fans,the two sides would appreciate

 

[kennedy_ramirez]

Well, first of all, I´m not in the internet bubble but I like going to a lot of wrestling shows and reading sny kind of fight magazines, but, actually, I have a question, since you work for TNA, What´s is in the next future for the company, Would you like to bring some ROH, NWE, or even former WWE superstars?, also, what kind of things are you preparing for bound for glory?

Second one, What´s your opinion about mexican wrestlers?, Do you watch mexican wrestling?. I think that there´s a lot of mexican wrestlers that can make it big in the states.

Thanks for your time.

 

[R8RNation81]

Why do wrestling fans even care about Ratings?? I can understand the interest in it years ago during the Monday Night Wars...but why does it matter now? No shows go head to head, ratings don't mean anything to fans, it's numbers for the business side. Why does anyone care? Do you go looking for ratings for CSI, South Park or Deadliest Catch? Do you care if Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares does better numbers than Hells Kitchen? Who really cares about ratings for these shows anymore? Do you need ratings to determine if watching wrestling is still cool and hip? Will you stop watching because the numbers drop or tune in because they go up?

I work in Radio...another industry that uses ratings...I've never in my career had a listener call me up and request a song and then ask me what our current ratings are. Just seems kinda dumb that anyone outside of the corporate fat cats would actually care at all.

 

[gg inferno]

Why do wrestling fans even care about Ratings?? I can understand the interest in it years ago during the Monday Night Wars...but why does it matter now? No shows go head to head, ratings don't mean anything to fans, it's numbers for the business side. Why does anyone care? Do you go looking for ratings for CSI, South Park or Deadliest Catch? Do you care if Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares does better numbers than Hells Kitchen? Who really cares about ratings for these shows anymore? Do you need ratings to determine if watching wrestling is still cool and hip? Will you stop watching because the numbers drop or tune in because they go up?

I work in Radio...another industry that uses ratings...I've never in my career had a listener call me up and request a song and then ask me what our current ratings are. Just seems kinda dumb that anyone outside of the corporate fat cats would actually care at all.

that's an excellent point. is there any show other than wrestling that people watch that they wait to surf the internet the next day to see what the rating was?

 

[FromTheSouth]

No one challenges that Glenn knows more about wrestling works. He is in the business, has been in the business, and has a hand in defining what the future of the business will be. Everyone's problem with him is that he talks down to everyone, all the fans. If Lance Berkman went on TV and said Astros fans know nothing about baseball because they don't play and they should all shut up and take his opinion of everything as gold, fans would revolt against him too. Not to compare Glenn to Lance Berkman, he is more Doug Brocail, solid (comic) relief guy, but not the guy you'd count on to drive in two runs in the bottom of the ninth.

It's not that we think he knows nothing, some of us just think that he takes what he knows and twists it into crap sometimes. Ultimate X is cool. I have no idea what else he has come up with. He hung the ladders from the roof, that does not make him Vince Russo, Gerwitz, or McMahon. Everyone just wishes he wouldn't be so condescending to everyone. Sorry that some people think the product he puts out is second rate. Just because your second in the ratings doesn't mean you shouldn't aspire to be better than WWE.

I am a TNA fan. I love the product. I think the AJ/Kurt story line is a better version of Matt/Edge/Lita. SO MUCH BETTER!!! But that doesn't mean that no one can challenge Glenn's ideas. That doesn't mean that the fans that buy the shirts, DVD's, PPV's, and video games need to be told they're shit. That doesn't mean it's "asinine" to debate him. Jim Rome doesn't know shit about managing a baseball team, but that doesn't mean his opinion of Bob Bremley's usage of BK Kim in the 2001 World Series is wrong. The guy gave up walk-offs in back to back night, and then got trotted out to lose another game. SoO Rome ripped Bremley. All Jim Rome is, is a guy with a passion and a forum to speak about his passion. I watch sports, and I thought Bremley was idiot for not leaving him at JFK airport. I watch wrestling and I think Glenn's disparaging remarks about the fans are garbage. I'm not vhallenging his knowledge, I am challenging his intelligence. He seems to want to shit where he eats, or bite the hand that feeds him, fill in your own analogy.

 

[R8RNation81]

Hey GG Inferno...nice to see that you agree with my questioning. (and sorry that all sort of rhymed) And while your here...any word from your side as to when TNA will be hitting the West Coast with a live show? Been waiting in So Cal for quite a while now. Are the Ratings not high enough out this way yet?

 

[gg inferno]

No one challenges that Glenn knows more about wrestling works. He is in the business, has been in the business, and has a hand in defining what the future of the business will be. Everyone's problem with him is that he talks down to everyone, all the fans. If Lance Berkman went on TV and said Astros fans know nothing about baseball because they don't play and they should all shut up and take his opinion of everything as gold, fans would revolt against him too. Not to compare Glenn to Lance Berkman, he is more Doug Brocail, solid (comic) relief guy, but not the guy you'd count on to drive in two runs in the bottom of the ninth.

It's not that we think he knows nothing, some of us just think that he takes what he knows and twists it into crap sometimes. Ultimate X is cool. I have no idea what else he has come up with. He hung the ladders from the roof, that does not make him Vince Russo, Gerwitz, or McMahon. Everyone just wishes he wouldn't be so condescending to everyone. Sorry that some people think the product he puts out is second rate. Just because your second in the ratings doesn't mean you shouldn't aspire to be better than WWE.

I am a TNA fan. I love the product. I think the AJ/Kurt story line is a better version of Matt/Edge/Lita. SO MUCH BETTER!!! But that doesn't mean that no one can challenge Glenn's ideas. That doesn't mean that the fans that buy the shirts, DVD's, PPV's, and video games need to be told they're shit. That doesn't mean it's "asinine" to debate him. Jim Rome doesn't know shit about managing a baseball team, but that doesn't mean his opinion of Bob Bremley's usage of BK Kim in the 2001 World Series is wrong. The guy gave up walk-offs in back to back night, and then got trotted out to lose another game. SoO Rome ripped Bremley. All Jim Rome is, is a guy with a passion and a forum to speak about his passion. I watch sports, and I thought Bremley was idiot for not leaving him at JFK airport. I watch wrestling and I think Glenn's disparaging remarks about the fans are garbage. I'm not vhallenging his knowledge, I am challenging his intelligence. He seems to want to shit where he eats, or bite the hand that feeds him, fill in your own analogy.

the problem here is the definition of "the fans." I don't talk down to "everyone." I pick my spots. i agree with a majority of the opinions in here. believe it or not. i only respond to the ones that are so far off base that i feel compelled to put them in their place. but since i sensationalize my responses, people think i'm attacking the whole internet community. if you've read EVERYTHING i've written, you would understand it, and probably appreciate it. The one thing i do that i have fun with is respond in "wrestling promo mode," which usually encourages passionate response, which is what the site wants because it draws traffic. don't take me too seriouisly on this site,because i'm, in a perversely entertaining way, having fun cutting promos on people, and getting a chuckle out of their responses.

 

[gg inferno]

Hey GG Inferno...nice to see that you agree with my questioning. (and sorry that all sort of rhymed) And while your here...any word from your side as to when TNA will be hitting the West Coast with a live show? Been waiting in So Cal for quite a while now. Are the Ratings not high enough out this way yet?

we definately have a show coming in the not too distant future, but I'm not sure of the date. it's booked. 100%.

 

[R8RNation81]

Good to know it's on the way. I'll be there. I'll be the fat guy in the audience. Not the super fat guy...or the sloppy fat guy...but the not too fat and still good looking even though he's kinda fat and carries that 225 well on his frame, fat guy.

 

[jimufctna24]

I was at the liverpool house show when tna came over to england and was certinatly the best wrestling show ive ever been to joe vs abyss, booker t vs rhino and aj vs doug williams vs jay lethal were great

At the end of the show tna made sure everyone got to meet a wrestler and i got to meet the motor city machine guns who were great i also got to meet dixie carter who i thanked for the show and was friendly and polite with me but when a friend asked who fire vince russo she reacted with "oh stop i get that all the time" so it is somthing am sure is not just brought up by nerds on the internet or in the front row of tna events

I dont know if vince russo is to blaim maybe dutch mantel what i do know is that the creative team has gone down the pan since scott d,amore left and know after been a good agent according to you gg he is gone from there i here as well what annoys me is tna live is the best entertainment money can buy yet on tv it is very hit and miss am sure with good storytelling and less politics tna could be as good on tv as it is live i understand there is always going to be more wrestling live but the best bit of the live tna show was a heartfelt work/shoot promo by kurt angle which any fan could understand and believe in

 

[triplesic]

that's an excellent point. is there any show other than wrestling that people watch that they wait to surf the internet the next day to see what the rating was?

Actually yes.

Don't get me wrong I'm really not disagreeing with you but there have been a few TV shows that I've really liked and didn't want to be canceled. So I would check out what their rating were and compare them to other shows they were against.