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misterrob.. TNA gets 1.5 million viewers.. WWE gets around 5 million. Let's say TNA does get around 35-45k... it does approximately translate to 3-4 times the amount = 150k buys for WWE give or take 10k...
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as for gg inferno.. damn.. look at all these stupid ass replies that are on this board. I have probably answered the EXACT same questions at least 300 times on different boards. They all sound the same and are saying the exact same shit.
Thank you glenn. This argument has been brought up ever since TNA got on Spike TV. I've been saying the exact same thing and they keep bringing the same argument back and I say the exact same thing
The serious question now is: is there any "IWF" or columnist that can debate Glenn on WrestleZone Radio? I don't think anyone can beat him in these typical bullshit arguments we read about every single day.
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as for gg inferno.. damn.. look at all these stupid ass replies that are on this board. I have probably answered the EXACT same questions at least 300 times on different boards. They all sound the same and are saying the exact same shit.
Thank you glenn. This argument has been brought up ever since TNA got on Spike TV. I've been saying the exact same thing and they keep bringing the same argument back and I say the exact same thing
The serious question now is: is there any "IWF" or columnist that can debate Glenn on WrestleZone Radio? I don't think anyone can beat him in these typical bullshit arguments we read about every single day.
I would like to see the evidence as well that booking the way that most Internet Fans want (and I have read what they want and it is generally different for each fan in some capacity) will increase the ratings. Here is a short list of what the general consensus of what most IWFs want from TNA:
1. More wrestling and less backstage vignettes
2. Compelling storylines that make sense
3. Less ex-WWE guys being brought in
4. A lot less gimmick matches
5. More X Division
6. Utilizing TNA "homegrown" talent better
And my personal response
1. I would personally like more wrestling as well, but in the end of the day, pure wrestling does not sell. Mike Johnson even said that if pure wrestling is what sells the product then ROH would be selling out stadiums. Contrary to what I like and what most IWFs like, characters and storylines are what sell the product. How TNA presents these characters and storylines is a different story.
2. The thing that I find confusing about arguments involving storylines is the use of ambiguous terms. What is a "compelling" storyline in wrestling exactly? The answer is different for each fan. In the end of the day, it is not what you want personally, but what the masses want. If people truly did not like what they are watching in TNA, then TNA Impact would NOT get a consistent 1.0 to 1.2 rating every week. How could a wrestling company get a consistent rating for a product that the fans do not like?
3. When the WWE talent get pushed harder than the "homegrown" talent, then it is a problem because the "homegrown" talent is the future of the company. However, ever since I have seen these "established" talent coming in, they have for the most part been working with the "homegrown" talent either feuding with or associating. Also, the current champions are all "homegrown" talent. It can be argued that to get the casual fans, you have to show them something that they are familiar with first.
4. I will totally agree about having less gimmick matches. There is evidence out there that shows that too many gimmick matches can even hurt the product.
5. I would like more X Division, but I think many are not realizing something important about the X Division when it was the hottest thing in TNA. During the X Division's hot period, many of the talent in the X Division were absolutely vanilla and bland. Also, TNA's Heavyweight Division was really weak during that time. Jay Lethal mine as well should have been called "X Division wrestler A," and Sonjay Dutt "X Division wrestler B", etc. Who were these wrestlers and why should I care about them? All of the X Division talent could wrestle well, so there was nothing that truly set them apart from one another. The IWFs cared about them, but why should "Joe casual" care about them? I personally liked the X Division and would like to see it strong again, but once again, the characters sell not the wrestling.
6. At who's expense do you make the TNA "homegrown" talent better? Should Christian, Kurt Angle, etc start jobbing out to wrestlers just because they are "homegrown" talent? Also, there really is only so much room in the top. If James Storm, Robert Roode, Chris Sabin, Jay Lethal, etc are all on top, then where is the mid and lower card exactly? I say this because so many IWFs want to see so and so wrestler being pushed to the main events. I personally feel that most, not all, talent get the airtime that they deserve. I am NOT against pushing "homegrown" talent, but I feel that most IWFs are unrealistic about pushing them.
I personally feel that most IWFs have an unrealistic view about TNA. Yes, I do feel that with the talent that they have that TNA should get better ratings, but obviously that is not the case. The IWFs problem is that they believe that what they want is what the masses want even though there is no proof for that.
I really don't see how fine tuning your product to get an extra 30,000-50,000 buys out of the existing fanbase is so stupid. Wouldn't that equate to an extra 300 grand or so a month? A $3 million revenue boost?
Ratings are good for the station, but I think living and dying by ratings monitoring is a byproduct of the Monday Night Wars. There is no wrestling on Thursday Nights to switch over to during a bad segment. So why make the show so frantic paced?
Sure there are other revenue streams, but I think PPV buys are what gives the most potential return on investment. I fail to understand where "getting recognized in clubs" is more important from a business standpoint.
And as for UFC, it was "real" years ago when it was going bankrupt. Dana White will freely admit that he was inspired by pro-wrestling from a marketing standpoint. The "It makes money because it's real" argument doesn't fly. It makes money because it's marketed well.
Ratings are good for the station, but I think living and dying by ratings monitoring is a byproduct of the Monday Night Wars. There is no wrestling on Thursday Nights to switch over to during a bad segment. So why make the show so frantic paced?
Sure there are other revenue streams, but I think PPV buys are what gives the most potential return on investment. I fail to understand where "getting recognized in clubs" is more important from a business standpoint.
And as for UFC, it was "real" years ago when it was going bankrupt. Dana White will freely admit that he was inspired by pro-wrestling from a marketing standpoint. The "It makes money because it's real" argument doesn't fly. It makes money because it's marketed well.
Disco Sucks
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Nice post anonymous, and I will touch up more on it later (when I don't have to work) but the main thing we want as fans, is continuity. Of course I cannot speak for every IWF out there, but it's what myself and many of my peers want. For example...
Sting is angry at these young kids for going "too far", but why did this happen all of a sudden? The logical thing to do is to put Sting in a few situations like a tag match where his partner, say Joe takes it a bit too far, and this happens a few times until Sting has finally had it. We don't get that, instead we get "spooky" Sting letting Booker T and Joe randomly know "I'll be there" and then he shows up and beats up Joe as if he KNEW Joe was going to snap. It was dumb.
You see when you develop characters, you must develop the story along with them. Simply turning a character face or heel just for the sake of turning face or heel is insulting. Entertain us, show us what could happen, and when it does it will be rewarding, instead of "Why did Sting do that?" and when it's explained the fan isn't left feeling stupified because it doesn't make any sense.
Wrestlers need to act within their character in situations that adhere to their label (heel/face) or else no fan will ever get behind him/her. For example Samoa Joe costing Nash the match last week was a total heel move, yet this is your top babyface right now, how does that make him look anything like a face? You can be a bad-ass but someone like Joe needs to be put in those situations where he defeats the heel with his aggressive nature and bad-ass character. The same with Styles, what he did with Angle was uncharacteristic, if you look back at his feud with Samoa Joe and the "honor code" of the X-Division. A face A.J. Styles wouldn't do that so it makes little sense that he would try to hit Sting with a baseball bat, besides the fact that he got owned and it made him look horrible.
Continuity. That's my biggest beef. Of course I agree that the focus should be on wrestling, and not "pure" wrestling but GOOD wrestling every week. Talent that yes won't whine about touring and signed with TNA for a light schedule but is willing to travel the globe for TNA on a constant basis to promote the product, less gimmick matches, and more X-Division (it's what makes TNA UNIQUE)
As mentioned though, most important. Continuity. Give the fans a chance to get behind their heroes, put them in situations that will make them look stronger, and make sure there is no hole of logic in the storylines and everything will be jake.
Sting is angry at these young kids for going "too far", but why did this happen all of a sudden? The logical thing to do is to put Sting in a few situations like a tag match where his partner, say Joe takes it a bit too far, and this happens a few times until Sting has finally had it. We don't get that, instead we get "spooky" Sting letting Booker T and Joe randomly know "I'll be there" and then he shows up and beats up Joe as if he KNEW Joe was going to snap. It was dumb.
You see when you develop characters, you must develop the story along with them. Simply turning a character face or heel just for the sake of turning face or heel is insulting. Entertain us, show us what could happen, and when it does it will be rewarding, instead of "Why did Sting do that?" and when it's explained the fan isn't left feeling stupified because it doesn't make any sense.
Wrestlers need to act within their character in situations that adhere to their label (heel/face) or else no fan will ever get behind him/her. For example Samoa Joe costing Nash the match last week was a total heel move, yet this is your top babyface right now, how does that make him look anything like a face? You can be a bad-ass but someone like Joe needs to be put in those situations where he defeats the heel with his aggressive nature and bad-ass character. The same with Styles, what he did with Angle was uncharacteristic, if you look back at his feud with Samoa Joe and the "honor code" of the X-Division. A face A.J. Styles wouldn't do that so it makes little sense that he would try to hit Sting with a baseball bat, besides the fact that he got owned and it made him look horrible.
Continuity. That's my biggest beef. Of course I agree that the focus should be on wrestling, and not "pure" wrestling but GOOD wrestling every week. Talent that yes won't whine about touring and signed with TNA for a light schedule but is willing to travel the globe for TNA on a constant basis to promote the product, less gimmick matches, and more X-Division (it's what makes TNA UNIQUE)
As mentioned though, most important. Continuity. Give the fans a chance to get behind their heroes, put them in situations that will make them look stronger, and make sure there is no hole of logic in the storylines and everything will be jake.
Disco Sucks
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Another point I wanted to bring up but thank you Zandy for pointing it out...
Marketing. TNA needs it.
gg inferno
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since we're discussing buyrates so thoroughly, can someone please show me tna's buyrate information, since i know the company doesn't release it? i would respect you guy's arguments more if you could provide evidence to back it up.
gg inferno
Pre-Show Stalwart
you believe? based on what? why can't you just show me the info, or anyone? i'm not saying you're wrong, but it would help this argument if we weren't talking about half-truths and rumors and heresay. when i argue, i like to present facts, which is why i usually win.
December 2006: 35,000 buys for Turning Point (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle)
January 2007: 34,000 buys for Final Resolution (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle)
February 2007: 23,000 buys for Against All Odds (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage)
March 2007: 36,000 buys for Destination X (Samoa Joe vs. Sting)
April 2007: 35,000 buys for Lockdown (Team Angle vs. Team Cage)
May 2007: 21,000 buys for Sacrifice (Kurt Angle vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage)
June 2007: 22,000 buys for Slammiversary (King of the Mountain)
July 2007: 15,000 buys for Victory Road (Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle vs. Team 3D)
August 2007: 26,000 buys for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle)
September 2007: 17,000 buys for No Surrender (Kurt Angle vs. Abyss)
October 2007: 36,000 buys for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Kurt Angle)
November 2007: 27,000 buys for Genesis (Sting and Booker T vs. Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash)
January 2007: 34,000 buys for Final Resolution (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle)
February 2007: 23,000 buys for Against All Odds (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage)
March 2007: 36,000 buys for Destination X (Samoa Joe vs. Sting)
April 2007: 35,000 buys for Lockdown (Team Angle vs. Team Cage)
May 2007: 21,000 buys for Sacrifice (Kurt Angle vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage)
June 2007: 22,000 buys for Slammiversary (King of the Mountain)
July 2007: 15,000 buys for Victory Road (Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle vs. Team 3D)
August 2007: 26,000 buys for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle)
September 2007: 17,000 buys for No Surrender (Kurt Angle vs. Abyss)
October 2007: 36,000 buys for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Kurt Angle)
November 2007: 27,000 buys for Genesis (Sting and Booker T vs. Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash)
gg inferno
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where is that from? meltzer? i'd like to see the source of information.
Disco Sucks
Dark Match Winner
So let's say those buyrate numbers are wrong, OK? What do we have to measure TNA's success as far as quality of show? Well, ratings - yet ratings have been stagnant for about 2 years now, so not only have ratings been stagnant, but the majority of its fan base, which undoubtedly is the internet because like I've mentioned earlier help make TNA what it is today, have been criticizing it for well over a year now. I would think that would indicate something.
gg inferno
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undoubtedly is a strong word. once again you make assumptions. let's put it this way. wwe's ratings over the past six years have dropped about 40%. tna's ratings over the past two years have risen 30 % or so and remain stagnant now, but haven't fallen, yet the internet community will ask for the replacement of the creative team. do you see why intelligent people like myself see holes in the logic of the internet community who rip tna for the sole reason that russo helps write the show? as a a matter of fact, why don't you look at wwe's numbers the past two years compared to tna. if you showed them to a person with half a brain that wasn't a blind follower of meltzer and keller, they'd probably ask why tna is getting so much criticism.
Disco Sucks
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So in 2 years the rating hasn't risen over a 1.2 and you call that a rise? I'm sure TNA's average ratings have risen some due to the fact that they have slowly exposed themselves on the national scene, but they pulled a 1.2 back in 2006, and they have yet to pardon the term, "cross that line"? I'm sorry but doing no better than 1.2 in a two year span is not progressing, it's mediocrity, but judging by your wrestling career, you would know all about that wouldn't you? *cheap shot*
gg inferno
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paulsoprano said it best when he said that guys like you will go to great lengths to bolster your own creaky arguments. So when you say this,"As dzonewrestle1 said, WWE knows how to book. TNA simply doesn't right now.." and i point out their numbers and then point out tna's numbers, you talk in circles and dig yourself a deeper hole. give me an intelligent, logical, thought out explanation how the wwe's numbers show that they know how to book and tna doesn't. if you open your mind up and realize that i know what i'm talking about and that you're not going to beat me in an argument, then i will gladly allow you to scrub the toilets at disco headquarters as you make your way up the ranks as a respectable member in training of The Disco Nation.
Disco Sucks
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You are too funny. How many points have I thrown in these arguments that you've simply ignored?
Look, when you book a wrestler, you are basically marketing him/her to the fans, and it's smart to do so in a way that the fans will attach themselves to said wrestler and become a fan of theirs. The WWE does this tremendously well. The numbers are there, but for some reason you choose to overlook them. Yes the WWE's ratings have dropped in the past 6 years, but they are still higher than TNA's and still consistent. I think the lowest the WWE has ever dropped with the exception of Christmas shows was to about a 3.1. In cable TV land, those are pretty good ratings. Hell 1.2 is pretty good as well, but you want me to show you how TNA doesn't book as well as the WWE based on ratings? Uhh, Glenn 3.1 > 1.2. There, that was hard.
Tonight was a perfect example of TNA's fault of booking, even though overall I did think it was a good show. The Sting/Joe segment said it all. You had Sting come out, to mostly cheers and when Samoa Joe Your TOP BABYFACE CHAMPION comes out, the arena is barely making a sound. Why? Because TNA has done little to book Joe as an effective face world champion. He acts more like a heel than a face, and not the cool bad-ass heel, but the heel that acts like a prick. (EX: last week costing Kevin Nash the match)
You'll never hear an arena go dead when WWE Top babyface John Cena comes out now will you? Even "Internet Darling" CM Punk comes out to large pops. You see when in the past few weeks your World Champion pulls a heel move and costs a fellow wrestler a match, and then gets his ass kicked the week after, that makes him look WEAK. Name me one World Champion face that is made to look weak for weeks straight that the fans will cheer for...
You want more TNA booking flaws? Look no further than the current X-Division and Knockouts champions. These are your CHAMPIONS yet they weren't even on the show this week. that does nothing to market those divisions or champions to the fans. While the Kong/ODB/Saeed match/segment came off really well, the casual possible first time viewer will ask "who is champion?" Same with the X-Division. Once again, marketing, like how one of your hottest acts and t-shirt sellers (MCMG/The guys in my avatar) are doing absolutely nothing right now. These guys are constantly cheered by the fans, put on exciting matches, yet TNA does nothing with them. That's just not smart. You don't take something that obviously could work and bury it. It makes no sense.
If you look at the WWE, not only do they have their womens champion on any week, she's even in a storyline with the Intercontinental Champion, who by the way is one of the reasons I even watch RAW. That's creative. It's puts them over to the crowd, it's smart marketing.
You might agree with this, but TNA's biggest flaw (among others) is the fact that they will not leave Orlando. They do house shows all of the time, there is no reason why TNA couldn't get PAYING TNA fans into these venues for iMPACT! tapings, and even make a profit off of it at the same time. This way you won't have a small crowd of maybe 800 made up of 70% tourists who cheer for the guys they know like Sting and Nash who are trying to come off as heels but won't work because the crowd has no idea what is going on!
I'm done for now, go ahead and ignore the majority of these points and pick one thing to rant off about...
Matt Phoenix
Beth + Santino = Excellent
Hey there Mr Disco,
Long time reader-er, first time writer-er
Firstly let me say that it is great that TNA got the TV deal in Oz, after reading about it for a while it was great to be able to finally see the product, and I am not going to start saying what I dont like and bitch and whinge because I have a remote and I can actually operate it, but I do enjoy about 83.89% (I totally made that number up
)of the show and between you and me, because of the timeslot TNA is on over here I actually watch it more than WWE. Also I like your columns, one of the better ones on WZ.
Anyway a couple of questions, What is Awesome Kong like in person? I reckon she would be a total barrel of fun.
Also AJ and MCMG are my faves, (for talent and looks, team them up and I would totally go off like a frog in a sock), as well as Kong and the Beautiful People, and strangely I like Jim Cornette.
Also another question, what is your favourite gimmick match that TNA do?
Apologies if they have been asked before, and yeah, keep up the good work
Long time reader-er, first time writer-er
Firstly let me say that it is great that TNA got the TV deal in Oz, after reading about it for a while it was great to be able to finally see the product, and I am not going to start saying what I dont like and bitch and whinge because I have a remote and I can actually operate it, but I do enjoy about 83.89% (I totally made that number up
)of the show and between you and me, because of the timeslot TNA is on over here I actually watch it more than WWE. Also I like your columns, one of the better ones on WZ.Anyway a couple of questions, What is Awesome Kong like in person? I reckon she would be a total barrel of fun.
Also AJ and MCMG are my faves, (for talent and looks, team them up and I would totally go off like a frog in a sock
), as well as Kong and the Beautiful People, and strangely I like Jim Cornette.Also another question, what is your favourite gimmick match that TNA do?
Apologies if they have been asked before, and yeah, keep up the good work
gg inferno
Pre-Show Stalwart
i apologize. i thought that you knew that wwe has at least ten times the budget that tna has. but since you obviously don't, i can see the points that you're trying to make. i guess that's why you micromanage your critique of tna's show as to what you think faulty booking is, but would just ignore wwe when cena beats their tag team champions singlehandedly, or have HHH and cena beat the whole roster, because you think wwe knows how to book. your best bet would be to stop reading meltzer and keller's stuff, and just read my stuff, and hopefully i can deprogram you from being a typical, mindless, repeat everything i read on the intenet fan. i imagine, based on what i've read from you so far, that you think tna would be better off with heyman booking. it's funny how you came into this forum with the name Disco Sucks, as if you thought that you were going to get the best of me, and instead just keep getting pwned.
Disco Sucks
Dark Match Winner
What exactly have you done to "pwn" me? Like I said, you usually pick one part of my posts and dissect that instead of anything else. You want to know the truth? I don't read Meltzer or Keller, in fact that last time I even heard Keller was his interview with Russo and Ferrara on their Ultimate Insiders DVD.
Back on point though, yeah the WWE makes booking mistakes too, but they still manage to market their wrestlers well. Something TNA has not done well. You answer me, how is Taylor Wilde or Petey Williams even remotely getting over as champions when they aren't even on the show? It tells the fan that they aren't important. You really have me all wrong, it seems that you think I'm some crazed dirt sheet fan who loves the WWE. The truth is I haven't been a WWE fan for about 5 years now, and even now I'm getting back into it, but i still thought this weeks iMPACT! was better, but once again explain to me how booking your FACE WORLD CHAMPION like a heel one week, and then getting his ass kicked the next which makes him look weak is a good way of marketing him to a fan base? Do you think he'll gain any fans from that?
gg inferno
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1) marketing is a financial issue
2) did you think of the possibility that joe might be turning heel?
3) you're suppose to get heat on the baby faces
4) the sting angle is in the 2nd week of what is projecting to be a nine month angle. so if you want to disect what is happening in the second week of an angle, then just be prepared to come in here and say a few weeks from now, "oh. ok. now i see why they did that."
5) the show doesn't have room for EVERY character EVERY week.
i have answers to every single point you make, but i just don't feel obligated to give them all to you. but it just brings me back to my original point that you said wwe knows how to book, ratings given as evidence to the contrary. and you still haven't shown me, based on the ratings, which is all that really matters, a compelling argument that wwe knows how to book and tna doesn't. when you do, i'll stop pwning you.
I am not going to disagree with a lot that you have said. I agree especially about the Champions not being on the show. The TNA booking flaws are there too.
The 3.1 > 1.2 argument has many things about it that are being easily overlooked. For one, how long has WWE RAW been on television on Monday night? How long has TNA been on primetime for two hours on Thursdays? In all honesty, what is the bigger name brand? You are comparing a wrestling organization that has had YEARS to establish their brand name and is the top wrestling organization in the world versus a relatively new wrestling organization. For many wrestling fans especially casual fans, it is either watching WWE or no wrestling at all because that is all that they know exists as far as wrestling. Of course, the budget issue is there as well. Finally, why is WWE ratings going down on a yearly basis (just look at the ratings every year, they are constantly going down) versus TNA which has been stagnant sure, but consistent as well? For RAW, a good rating for them these days is a 3.5 when last year RAW was getting consistent high 3s or even 4s.
I really don't know what it will take for TNA to get past the 1.2 rating mark (or how RAW will get back into consistent 4s for that matter). I don't believe that anyone really has the answer. I mean, WWE Smackdown has been consistently good lately but their ratings generally stay consistent as well, but do not really grow. There are posters on this site that want more sports entertainment, and then there are those that want more wrestling. Also, I really wonder how many wrestling fans out there know that TNA exists especially the casual fans. Word of mouth only goes so far--just look at ROH in that it has plateaued and is using PPV to try and get new viewers.
I feel that looking at the ratings closely, WWE is in the same boat ratings wise (not PPV buys) as TNA where they can't seem to get past a certain ratings point. Obviously for WWE, it doesn't matter because they are still making a LOT of money and they are getting a high rating, but they set the standard (like it or not) for all of wrestling at this point.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
Glenn is unstoppable
Whoa, WWE's ratings have dropped quite a bit. Glenn, the argument I usually get now is WWE is making more money now than ever due to their other revenue streams. So they're "more successful now than they were when Russo was writing". I'd like to hear you comment on that even when their ratings have been sliced in half since then
Do people here honestly think WWE knows how to book?
"disco sucks"... so what you're doing now is whining about your own personal gripes about TNA? I don't watch WWE but when I do I can tell you every reason why I don't watch their show because it is just atrocious compared to the stuff Russo wrote for them.
- Joe's character is intriguing this week, same with Sting - VERY interesting this week. I agree that every character can't be on every week, but they did a tremendous job of building characters this week: week of 9/4/2008 - no Karen's Angle either.
Whoa, WWE's ratings have dropped quite a bit. Glenn, the argument I usually get now is WWE is making more money now than ever due to their other revenue streams. So they're "more successful now than they were when Russo was writing". I'd like to hear you comment on that even when their ratings have been sliced in half since then
Do people here honestly think WWE knows how to book?
"disco sucks"... so what you're doing now is whining about your own personal gripes about TNA? I don't watch WWE but when I do I can tell you every reason why I don't watch their show because it is just atrocious compared to the stuff Russo wrote for them.
- Joe's character is intriguing this week, same with Sting - VERY interesting this week. I agree that every character can't be on every week, but they did a tremendous job of building characters this week: week of 9/4/2008 - no Karen's Angle either.
Just-Dun Biased
Dark Match Winner
It's quite obvious WWE know how to book to maximise profit. I don't see how the show is "atroricous" with emotionally attached feuds such as HBK and Jericho. But maybe you find Val Venis getting his cock chopped off more compelling. WWE know how to make stars and how to book feuds to benefit guys. Roode and Storm should be TNA's biggest break-out stars, yet theý're back to square one; stuck in a tag team. What did Roode get out of his feud with Booker exactly? Two months later they were teaming up.
Lethal and Sonjay are suppose to hate each other, but go out and wrestle a normal flip floppy BS match. if hate each other show it! The problem with todays generation really, is wheres the psychology? Make you moves mean something and if you hate each other then show the emotion!
gg inferno
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i think for the sake of this argument that what you have written about ratings is basically understood by anyone with half a brain, and should not be argued. that has been my whole point, that you can't knock tna without giving wwe at least an equal amount of criticism.
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