PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I've disagreed each time, so going back won't do any good. I still disagree.
Now Now, None Of That Fun Nonsense
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PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I qualified my statements and never said all of them. Nice try, though. Maybe a little more attention and you'd get it right.
I qualified my statements and never said all of them. Nice try, though. Maybe a little more attention and you'd get it right.
And the school administrators qualified their actions and never said all of the students are bad. That didn't stop you from saying the majority are *****.
You say most principals are *****, but not all.
Principal A say most students are *****, but not all.
If you say your thinking is not wrong, then Principal A is not wrong to think like that. If he is not wrong in that thinking, why the hate on them administrating policies with the same thinking? If that way of generalization is wrong, then your generalization is wrong too. You cannot say you are right while saying they are wrong when it is clear both party generalize and qualify that generalization by adding 'I never said all'.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Here's the difference: I don't act any differently toward them, nor does my view affect them in any way.
Their behavior effects me and others because they deal with myself and others. That's wherein my opinion comes from. Mine is just a reaction to their action.
I can't believe this is being turned on me. You guys do realize that plenty of other people in this thread voiced the same kind of displeasure and experiences, right?
Here's the bottom line: Based on my unbiased past experience with them, I've encountered plenty of school officials who didn't act with much fairness. Even still, I've even treated such people with respect due to their positions, because it is the decent thing to do. In dealing with these people, they've re-enforced the stereotype of the "grumpy, unapproachable administrator who you don't want to catch on the wrong day". Call me jaded, maybe I am. I only know of my own experience. Many would agree with me though. Maybe you were blessed with stellar school admins all your life. They exist. I just haven't met very many myself. And that's my stance.
Their behavior effects me and others because they deal with myself and others. That's wherein my opinion comes from. Mine is just a reaction to their action.
I can't believe this is being turned on me. You guys do realize that plenty of other people in this thread voiced the same kind of displeasure and experiences, right?
Here's the bottom line: Based on my unbiased past experience with them, I've encountered plenty of school officials who didn't act with much fairness. Even still, I've even treated such people with respect due to their positions, because it is the decent thing to do. In dealing with these people, they've re-enforced the stereotype of the "grumpy, unapproachable administrator who you don't want to catch on the wrong day". Call me jaded, maybe I am. I only know of my own experience. Many would agree with me though. Maybe you were blessed with stellar school admins all your life. They exist. I just haven't met very many myself. And that's my stance.
This does not in anyway prove that you were not being hypocritical. It just prove you understand that your limited experience is not enough to make a sweeping generalization.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Explain how I was being hypocritical, because I don't agree.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
How many god damn times do you need this explained?
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Until I see validity
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Validity has been provided, whether you acknowledge it or not.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Well I respectfully disagree. I'm sorry if you're offended.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
thanks for sharing your opinion
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
First off, I like your use of semi colons, a rarity these days. Nice.
Secondly, if I came across as a hypocrite, the reason why I'm disagreeing is that I don't believe I am being one in the context of the situation, so if that's been gathered from my stance, then I haven't accurately or articulately described it then.
Secondly, if I came across as a hypocrite, the reason why I'm disagreeing is that I don't believe I am being one in the context of the situation, so if that's been gathered from my stance, then I haven't accurately or articulately described it then.
You're saying "most back office staff in education are ***** because they were when I was growing up"
Whilst at the same time raining down spite on someone who you allege sees all students at unbearable pains in the ass.
In what world are you NOT being a hypocrite? You're committing the worst kind of logical fallacy since basically you're arguing that this cat is ginger, therefore cats are ginger.
As a side note I challenge you to find a high-schooler who isn't a dick. I teach kids that age and they all freely admit to the fact that they a pain in the ass, if you can't point out the asshole in the room, it's probably you.
I love how everyone can see the hypocrisy of PlayTheGame but him.
In both cases, a whole (or almost whole) of a group is being judged on the actions of others, and not because of their own individual qualities. You are doing the exact same thing you claim administrators do, treating (most) everyone poorly because of the actions of some.
It's hypocrisy. How you act towards administrators is irrelevant to this discussion. To avoid hypocrisy, you would have to limit your evaluation of school administrators to only the ones you actually have experience with, and can provide evidence for. Judging the thousands of administrators you have no experience with, just like the hundreds of students the administrator has no experience with, is what makes you the hypocrite.
Finally, I have to ask...do you know what a hypocrite is? I'm almost getting the sense you have the wrong idea of what the word means. The reason I say this is because of this statement you make later in the thread:
It almost makes me think you don't fully understand the meaning of the word. Which would also explain why you are having trouble understanding why so many people have told you that you are being hypocritical.
We're not saying you're a hypocrite because of the way you act towards them. We're saying you're being a hypocrite because you don't like the way administrators treat most students the same (as jerks), even though not all students are jerks. But at the same time, you're calling most administrators jerks, even though not all administrators are jerks.
In both cases, a whole (or almost whole) of a group is being judged on the actions of others, and not because of their own individual qualities. You are doing the exact same thing you claim administrators do, treating (most) everyone poorly because of the actions of some.
It's hypocrisy. How you act towards administrators is irrelevant to this discussion. To avoid hypocrisy, you would have to limit your evaluation of school administrators to only the ones you actually have experience with, and can provide evidence for. Judging the thousands of administrators you have no experience with, just like the hundreds of students the administrator has no experience with, is what makes you the hypocrite.
Finally, I have to ask...do you know what a hypocrite is? I'm almost getting the sense you have the wrong idea of what the word means. The reason I say this is because of this statement you make later in the thread:
It almost makes me think you don't fully understand the meaning of the word. Which would also explain why you are having trouble understanding why so many people have told you that you are being hypocritical.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I see what you are saying, and if you really think it makes me a hypocrite, then fine, what can I do? It's how I feel toward the situation.
Remy LaCroix
Lou Thesz' Favorite Son
I thought the administrators at my school were dicks for making us purchase our uniform shirts directly from the school. Something about equality and so lower class students won't feel poor or some crap. If only they knew the amount of shirts I could buy at a thrift store or Walmart with the $20 I had to pay for one lousy polo shirt with the school's name on it. I never felt ashamed for being poor until then.
Admit you're a hypocrite for doing the exact same thing you complain those people are doing? Admit you know a VERY small percentage of school administrators and main office workers, and thus are speaking ignorantly about them?
There was probably more to it than that. By making everyone buy from the school, the only polos at school were ones approved by the school. The well to do students couldn't go buy an $80 and use their clothing to set them apart from others causing classroom distractions. No one could buy polos which were distracting in other ways, which also defeats the purpose of a dress code.
I understand what you are saying, but there's a reason behind having students buy from school. $20 seems a little steep though, would I be right in assuming they had a school logo on them?
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I'm not going to take anything I said back, because it's still how I feel about them.
I'm not asking you to take anything back. What I said was for you to admit your hypocrisy and ignorance.
Remy LaCroix
Lou Thesz' Favorite Son
Yes they did. And I exaggerated the price of the shirts: they were $18 each.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I spoke from my pov. If that makes me "ignorant" or a "hypocrite" or whatever, then fine, I'm willing to accept it.
