Now Now, None Of That Fun Nonsense
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PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
I'm talking about a lack of common courtousy. I'm sure they have to deal with more bad kids than good, but that doesn't mean they have to predetermine that every kid they encounter is bad and thus deserves to be treated as such. A lot of them come off as grumpy, callous, and unapproachable. Like I said, they probably deal with more bad kids than good, but it often gets taken out on the kids that are just trying to be respectful and would like some respect back.
If only you had any idea the crap they have to put up with. It gets tiresome always being the labeled "the bad guy". Students, parents, teachers, community members...running a school involves making decisions, decisions that will usually make some people happy and some people mad. No matter which decision is made, the administration has to listen to people bitch.
It gets old after awhile, especially when most people don't have the first clue of the laws which usually help decide on which decisions are made.
This. I work as a tutor, I was also an awful student. I know what it's like to be sixteen, but also there are plenty of ways to apply punitive measures without going over the top. Had this kids mother not requested they withhold his diploma to teach him a lesson, they'd've probably not given a damn. (Or at least they would've at most told him in no uncertain terms that he was being a dick)
Richard Blonoff
Make America Rassle Again
Look into your heart, you know it to be true.
I almost wasn't allowed to get my diploma because I had brown dress shoes with a white border just above the sole and my principal said I was trying to stand out.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
It doesn't change the fact that they don't have to make sweeping generalizations in how they handle people, namely students. Some seem simply worn down, and if that's the case, then maybe they shouldn't be doing it for 40 plus years, for example.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
Oh no! Can't have individuality can we?
As opposed to the sweeping generalizations you're making about all principals and school administrators based upon the actions of the very few you've had?
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
As opposed to the sweeping generalizations you're making about all principals and school administrators based upon the actions of the very few you've had?
Wrong.
I qualified my statements in one of my very first posts on the matter, stating that there are certainly exceptions and nice school staff members. My high school principal was a fairly nice lady. But then, on the other hand, there seem to be some at every school who seem to fit into the mold that myself and several others in this thread are describing.
You said "save for a few", and then spend the rest of time ragging on the rest of them. I'm sure the people you're speaking poorly of could say the exact same thing, that they are nice to everyone "save for a few".
You're being a hypocrite. You're condemning an entire group of people for the actions of a very few, and the reason you're condemning that group is because of their actions towards a large group because of a very few.
Just admit you spoke without thinking and we'll be on our way.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
No, most of them, save for a few, come across as overly authoritative and unapproachable. I am not being a hypocrite, I chose my words carefully and appropriately. I'm not condemning all of them. You're reaching there. That's the whole reason why I initially qualified my original statements, so don't twist my words. Some are nice and helpful. But plenty aren't. It's a case-by-case, person-by-person thing, and in this thread it seemed appropriate to voice that. You're an educator, so you work with these people and are biased. If you can't see that or don't want to admit that, then so be it. It's pretty obvious though.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
Just stop. You do realize debating slyfoxx is a lose lose situation right? I really hope you do.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
[QUOTE="Mr.Incredible" DC;3917775]Just stop. You do realize debating slyfoxx is a lose lose situation right? I really hope you do.[/QUOTE]
Am I supposed to be scared? I have a point. Why don't you weigh in if you're going to comment.
Am I supposed to be scared? I have a point. Why don't you weigh in if you're going to comment.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
[QUOTE="Mr.Incredible" DC;3917781]Even if I did I'd get shit on for having an opinion.....[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in hearing it.
I'm interested in hearing it.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
If the mother was the one who decided to hold the diploma back for him "tebowing", then she is in the wrong. hell I even strutted down the isle and I did not have my diploma taken from me. (YES I DID GRADUATE!)
Skairipa Matrix
3 Time Elite Openweight Champion
thank god i didnt go to your school i would have really stood out...i wore sneakers to graduation.
my VP was the cunty type he went pyscho over the smallest things....like the senior class having a BBQ in the parking lot after finals...we even offered him a burger apperently he prefers weiners.
Yes you are. You don't know MOST of school administrators. You probably don't know even 1% of school administrators in the country. You don't know what most of them do or how they do it. The only ones you know are the ones you've personally come into contact with, and the very few cases that make the news.
You don't know most of them. You are painting a broad stroke based upon a very limited number of individuals. You are doing the EXACT same thing you criticized administrators for doing. Which makes you a hypocrite.
I don't have to be an educator to realize how silly it is for you to say "most" administrators when odds are you don't even know "most of the administrators" in a 100 mile radius of where you live.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
It is my opinion. So I don't know why you're arguing it. Besides you, everyone else in this thread seems to share this opinion. Some are good. Some aren't. I think most aren't, based on what I've seen, and what others are sharing. KB told a story about a douchey staff administator, as did some others. I can relate and have similar stories. The general consensus in this thread states this as well. Obviously, I'm basing it off of my experiences, and guess what, you're doing the same. That's all one can do. I also never claimed to know "most" in the country, so I don't think anyone was thinking I was inferring that other than you. But I know you didn't really think that, you were just using it in your argument.
I am not being a hypocrite. Making judments on evidence doesn't qualify for hypocrisy when you have plenty of evidence to make such a statement. If I had never been to school or heard others' stories, then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. But I've had plenty of life experience dealing with these people at different schools. The stereotype of school administrators isn't a very bright one, and it has some truth to it.
Plus, I'm criticizing their actions and how they handle students. Just that, not about "school decisions", and the like. Just the simple, common courtousy that plenty to seem to lack in regard to students, because they prejudice them as being bad and in the way. If they are treated with respect, there's no legitimate reason why they can't show it back. Not to mention the whole adult-to-kid dynamic. When a kid is respectful to an adult and has done nothing wrong, it's embarrassing for the adult not to match that respect. Just makes them look cruel. And again, it is not all of them. But I've come across quite a few like this, as have others who commented. But the difference is, I don't let this past experience cloud how I personally handle them. I treat them with the utmost respect, and all I can do is see how/if they return it. The people that I'm talking about have been so jaded by "bad" kids that they often jump to treating every kid they encounter as a potential nuisance, and handle them as such.
I am not being a hypocrite. Making judments on evidence doesn't qualify for hypocrisy when you have plenty of evidence to make such a statement. If I had never been to school or heard others' stories, then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. But I've had plenty of life experience dealing with these people at different schools. The stereotype of school administrators isn't a very bright one, and it has some truth to it.
Plus, I'm criticizing their actions and how they handle students. Just that, not about "school decisions", and the like. Just the simple, common courtousy that plenty to seem to lack in regard to students, because they prejudice them as being bad and in the way. If they are treated with respect, there's no legitimate reason why they can't show it back. Not to mention the whole adult-to-kid dynamic. When a kid is respectful to an adult and has done nothing wrong, it's embarrassing for the adult not to match that respect. Just makes them look cruel. And again, it is not all of them. But I've come across quite a few like this, as have others who commented. But the difference is, I don't let this past experience cloud how I personally handle them. I treat them with the utmost respect, and all I can do is see how/if they return it. The people that I'm talking about have been so jaded by "bad" kids that they often jump to treating every kid they encounter as a potential nuisance, and handle them as such.
Which doesn't make it any less ignorant or hypocritical.
Because you made an ignorant and hypocritical argument and then denied doing so, even though it's apparent to everyone.
And argumentum ad populum rears its ugly head.
I never disputed that. What I disputed was your ignorant and hypocritical comments that thousands of people you never met were jerks for the way they treat everyone based upon the actions of only some. It was ignorant and it was hypocritical.
Who cares? That's irrelevant to what I'M saying.
See logical fallacy above.
No I'm not. I'm basing what I'm saying off the facts of what you've said in this thread.
So you admit your ignorance? How can you claim "most, save for a few" are jerks, when you don't know most of them? It's ignorance, plain and simple. And because you don't know most of them, and yet still choose to define them based upon the few you do know, that makes your argument hypocritical.
You don't infer, you imply. I infer.
No, I can state to a relative degree of certainty that you don't know most administrators. But when you are describing "most" of them, that implies that you do know them.
Your ability to understand logic in debate has been found to be severely lacking in this thread.
Yes you are.
But you don't have plenty of evidence. You have your very limited experiences and the very limited experiences of less than 10 people in this thread. There are literally thousands of school administrators and main office employees across the country. What you know and have been exposed to doesn't even reach 1% of all administrators.
But that hasn't stopped you from speaking in a derogatory fashion about them. And since your biggest argument that administrators are jerks because they treat everyone based upon the actions of some, that makes you a hypocrite.
Using that logic, you might as well say most, save for a few, black people are drug dealing, gun toting murderers. After all, I've seen in the news several times where this has been true, so clearly this limited exposure to black people can be applied to all black people in this country.
You're not making yourself look any better. Quit being racist and just admit you spoke without thinking.
No, you're criticizing a very specific and small number of administrators and how they handle a specific group of students.
Uhh, that's a large part of where conflicts between administrators and others come in, when decisions have to be made. If you know anything about school administration, you would know this.
And it's just the simple fact I've seen drug dealing black people kill others...
No, there's no reason why the specific person or very limited group of people you're talking about can't show it back.
Have you not understood the point yet? Don't lump them all together, don't judge all of them, based upon the actions of a few. I really don't know how else to say it in any simpler terms.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Oh Sly.
This is such a ridiculous debate that is not worth either of our time. We are both nitpicking small things.
I was just sharing my opinion, which matched a lot of others. If I unintentionally came across as being a hypocrite and/or offended you, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to do so.
This is such a ridiculous debate that is not worth either of our time. We are both nitpicking small things.
I was just sharing my opinion, which matched a lot of others. If I unintentionally came across as being a hypocrite and/or offended you, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to do so.
Not really. You're being a hypocrite and I'm calling you on it. It's pretty simply really.
Well, I'd hope you didn't come across as a hypocrite on purpose. That would just be stupid. I assumed you did it unintentionally, but I was wanting you to own up to your hypocrisy and admit you were doing the same thing to those people as you claim they do to others.
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
Explain again how I was being a hypocrite, so I can address it directly if you feel the need to go on with this.
I've explained it multiple times. Go read one of the other times I pointed it out.
You formed a sweeping generalization of every school administrators based on your limited personal experience and the select few with bad experience.
You blame school administrators for being ***** because of sweeping generalization of all students based on the select few bad students.
So either you are a hypocrite or a cunt.
