Not again Taker

[GOD]

If you mean by misspelling the most words then you do win? Otherwise, you lose. Undertaker does not deserve the title right now because he hasn't done anything recently. So I guess the next time Taker gets injured, he automatically deserves a title shot whenever he comes back. Punk should win this feud and if Taker wins he probably hold the belt for more than a month as his recent reigns have shown.

This isn't a spelling contest! My life doesn't consist of worrying how i spell things when I'm talking to someone on the internet! I feel sorry for you since that's so important to you!

If Taker wins he probably hold the belt for more than a month ...???

That doesn't even make sense! You lose!

The Undertaker does deserve the title shot becuz he can elevate higher than CM Punk ever could plain & simple. Try & comprehend that!

 

[Paradox]

This isn't a spelling contest! My life doesn't consist of worrying how i spell things when I'm talking to someone on the internet! I feel sorry for you since that's so important to you!

Wow, you're acting like a child... You would argue with a wall about if it's hard or not if it said it was, wouldn't you? Really he pointed something out and you started arguing him about it... childish

If Taker wins he probably hold the belt for more than a month ...???

He's not going to win it.

That doesn't even make sense! You lose!

You were just arguing about spelling... you lose...

The Undertaker does deserve the title shot becuz he can elevate higher than CM Punk ever could plain & simple. Try & comprehend that!

He might be a bigger star than punk, but that doesn't mean that he should be thrown right into the title picture.... not when he's been gone for months, and other men have been going strong while he's been gone.

 

[Crush1]

Yeah its Taker, I mean who else? Even though there are a lot of great talent on Smackdown there are a select few who could be pushed. Morrison vs Punk has already been done, Matt vs Punk would just suck and Ziggler/Mysterio are busy with their own agenda. That leaves Jericho and Show who are buys with the Tag Team division. So all that's left is Taker. Now I'm in for some good ol Taker vs Punk but I do want some new guys thrown in the Mix. Like Morrison for example. Now that Jeff's gone he has to take over his role. I think this is exactly the right time when the WWE needs to pull the trigger by putting Morrison in with the Main Eventers. Its been a long time since there's been three guys involved with the title scene.

But in all honesty I think the main feud on Smackdown will be Punk vs Taker. That is until the WWE drafts someone over there or pushes Morrison. But this feud is a great feud too. Its never been done and it could really help put Punk over. Not that he's not over already, but we all know that Taker is considered to be Jesus to people. Always beloved. So Punk would take massive heat just like Edge. And speaking of Edge I'm interested to see how Smackdown is going to turn out when he returns. My main hope is that the push Morrison. I feel that now is the right time to do it. But Taker is fine with me too.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Slyfox, I'm not sure but in your response to LitaTaker and I, were you calling me stupid? While I completely understand what you are talking about. Who has determined that he is even going to get a title shot?

I know that Morrison deserves a title shot because of his wins against Punk, oh wait, didn't he already have his shot on SD about 2 weeks ago? Methinks he did, what has he done since then? I do agree that it isn't right for 'Taker to come in and get a shot automatically, but again, you along with LJL are missing the bigger picture. Punk is, at best, a transition Champ right now and they aren't using 'Taker to give him the title, they are using 'Taker to establish Punk as the top guy on SD. As far as I am concerned, Punk really doesn't look strong as a champion and he isn't going to establish this by going up against a, not quite ready yet, John Morrison. But hey, what do I know? According to you, I am lacking in intelligence. Let me ask you, do you think Punk is a credible WHC? If so please tell me why, because to me, he looks no better than when he first cashed in the MITB on Edge. He is going to come out of his feud with 'Taker looking like a million bucks and there isn't anyone else on SD that can accomplish this like 'Taker can.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I understand why a lot of people are upset about Taker being put in a title feud right away, but unfortunately for the anti-Taker people out there there is nobody else on SD, like a bunch of other people here are saying. CM Punk is still not a legit Main Eventer, and if WWE wants to push CM Punk to 100% main event status, he needs to feud against established Main Event guys, and go over during the feuds. The Undertaker is the only (face) Main Eventer right now on SD (Mysterio is busy with the IC belt, and is not a main event face), thus making Taker the only option for the elevation of CM Punk.

If Morrison or Matt Hardy (2 midcarders with M.E. potential) or Mysterio (upper mid-card right now, AT BEST)were feuding with CM Punk (a borderline Main Eventer right now), then the World Title would not even belong main eventing SmackDown, let alone PPV's (whoever Taker would be feuding with should then main event SD). Which leads to my next point; who would Taker feud with? The Hart Dynasty? Mike Knox? Dolph Ziggler? Ziggler may be Takers next potential feud, but a legend doesn't come back from an absence to have a garbage mid-card feud; he comes back to have a high-profile feud, and the title feud is the only choice right now, since no other Main Eventers are on SD.

The last reason Taker should feud for the title is because he is the friggin Undertaker, and his 19 year WWE career has given him the opportunity to feud with the champion whenever he wants in the minds of the majority of fans.

I personally feel that once Taker is done with Punk, that Punk would be over enough to carry a Main Event feud with Morrison, and then Taker can go the elevating young guys route again, feuding with the likes of Ziggler and Knox. Once that happens, then Mysterio can jump back up to feuding for the World Tile.

This was just my 2 cents. Feel free to hate on my opinion if you disagree. One thing you can say though, is that I made sure (unlike some other people in this thread) to spell-check my post, and I also read over my post making sure it made some sense (at least I hope it makes some sense, lol).

 

[TM Punk]

Why did George Foreman get a title shot in 1991 or whatever after being retired for 20 years in a REAL SPORT where you actually DO have to earn your title shot? Because he's George F'in Foreman!!!

Now here in WWE we have CM Punk arguably on the brink of superstardom. Edge is out, Jericho is busy with Show. THIS is Punk's shot to establish himself as a legit main event heel. Who is the guy the WWE ALWAYS sends in to put over a guy like that?

John Morrison? You're gonna legitimize a champion by having him defend it against a straight up mid - card guy? Not even upper mid-card? Wait on that one for a few months. Patience, it will happen, and they'll tear the house down. Punk is the bigger star right now, he's more markitable, he has a gimmick that worked for him years ago in ROH, and is now working in WWE.

Jericho? Let's put over a heel CM Punk by having him face... a heel? Face it, Jericho is gonna ride this heel run for as long as possible. He's too good right now. And turning Punk face again would destroy him.

The Undertaker. The man has been in the WWE since 1990. No one, not hardy, not trips, not shawn, is more popular than the undertaker. Only ones who were is Hogan, Austin, and rock. He's legitimized countless opponents throughout his carreer: Yokozuna, Giant Gonzalez, Bret, Shawn, Kane, Austin, Rock, CENA, BATISTA, EDGE.
All this guy does is put people over. People should be angry that he HASN'T been more dominant with title reigns.

So he puts on what will be MOTY at mania and is out 4 months partially because of an injury sustained during said match means he's not a title contender? Yeah, ok.

Once he puts over CM Punk and turns him into a legit ME. We'll see Morrison. And we get the pleasure of seeing and Taker/Punk submission match, which idk if you guys know this but taker is a huge mma fan, and punk is pretty tech. So that should be good.

After this feud, you'll get Punk/Morrison. Just let things play out, let Punk WHO IS THE FUTURE OF WWE whether you like it or not get turned into a star. And then let him and Morrison have some great matches.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

In terms of Taker getting a title shot, even from a kayfabe point of view you could look at it from this way. Teddy Long doesn't like CM Punk. He violently assaults his top superstars and has little or no respect for authority of his fans. So what is he going to do? He can't strip CM Punk of the title. So he faces him off against the most dangerous man at his disposal, The Undertaker.

Undertaker, kayfabe wise, is relatively untested against CM Punk and could do it. Rey Mysterio has lost to CM Punk on numerous occasions this year. Undertaker just beat, kayfabe wise, one of the best superstars in the entire WWE in his last match. Then again, its wrestling and it ridiculous to read into kayfabe too much. Otherwise Ezekiel Jackson should be recieving a major title push being undefeated on ECW.

 

[Freddy4190]

What if he doesn't even shoot for the title? Far shot, but what if he just beats the hell out of CM Punk. He didn't indicate he wanted the title by looking at it, picking it up, or doing the belt-around-the-waist signal. Of course it's doubtful but it isn't improbable.

 

[gd]

But, he has not established himself as a number 1 contender...except by coming back with a bunch of flashing lights. Hardly an impressive resume for a number one contender.

What about Cena getting an immeadiate title shot? He was out for almost as long as Taker. I completely agree that the way WWE hands out title shots doesn't really make much sense, but that's the way it is and they way it has been for years. If they are going to use this method of handing out title shots, they might as well give it to Taker.

 

[Kesteral]

Normally I hate the idea of Taker being in the title scene when it's against someone like Edge or Batista but when it's against a new up and coming star who he's surely going to be put over big time I don't mind. This is exactly what we want, veterans putting over young stars and there's no bigger way to get over truly than having a few wins over The Undertaker. I doubt that Punk will drop the title or if he does for only a few weeks because this is where he's going to become a star and they'll need to make him look credible.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I think if people had actually read what this weeks SD's main event is, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I'd just like to point out that John Cena's last title reign began with a title match against Chris Jericho, immediately after coming off the injured list. What had Cena done to earn that?

In '07 HBK came back from injury after being put on the shelf by Orton. When he returned, he immediately had a title shot. What did he do to earn it?

In 2002, Hulk Hogan was given an Undisputed Title shot against HHH at Backlash, despite having his ass handed to him by the Rock at WM, and then spent the next month wrestling the Outsiders. How did that warrant a title shot exactly?

And furthermore, why are you bitching about it now and not then?

Why would Taker get a title shot straight away? Because he'd bury the GM alive if he didn't get one, and T'Lo knows it. There ya go, a perfect kayfabe explanation. Secondly, T'Lo likes to punish upstart wrestlers by making them face Taker. Both Kennedy and Edge were repeatedly put in matches with Taker because Teddy Long didn't like them. So i imagine that he and Punk won't get along much either.

Yeah you're supposed to 'earn' title shots but apparently (and as i've pointed out, this is nothing new) if you've been the champ before and come back after being hurt, you can forego that requirement and throw your name in the hat straight away.

Oh and Sly? Taker wrestled for another 2 weeks after WM, wrestling Matt Hardy, Shelton Benjamin and the Big Show, losing only to Show (back when they were still trying to get his 'Uber-Punch' over), and he then disappeared because of the damage done to his neck both at WM, and after.

It doesn't make sense in terms of kayfabe, but next to nothing does these days, so who cares? Taker v Punk! New WHC fued! Legend back on SD! Some MMA at Breaking Point (maybe)! There's nothing but good points to this booking.

 

[X]

I simply find it humorous that The Undertaker, the babyface in this situation, returned at Summerslam using by-the-book heel tactics. Seriously, let's take a minute to look at what happened here. CM Punk had just fought a hard and grueling match against Jeff Hardy, and had won it cleanly, without any cheating whatsoever. He didn't continue to beat up on Hardy after the match was over, he wasn't insulting anyone on the microphone, he was simply standing there celebrating. Then, out of nowhere, and for no reason whatsoever, here comes the Undertaker, who than attacks CM Punk. Why? I don't understand the logic of the booking here. What does 'Taker have against Punk again? Does he not like straight edge people or something? In what world is the good guy the one who attacks someone without any provocation? Strange, strange booking there.

That said, sure Taker deserves a title shot. He's the fucking Undertaker. All of this nonsense about "Oh what has he done to prove himself from a kayfabe point of view lately?"...he's been the motherfucking Undertaker, that's what he's done. I'm pretty sure once you've won 17 Wrestlemania matches, you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want in kayfabe. Every wrestling fan on the face of the planet knows who The Undertaker is. I can't believe anyone is even arguing about whether or not Taker deserves another title shot from a kayfabe stance. He's a god damn legend, that's what he's done to deserve it.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I simply find it humorous that The Undertaker, the babyface in this situation, returned at Summerslam using by-the-book heel tactics. Seriously, let's take a minute to look at what happened here. CM Punk had just fought a hard and grueling match against Jeff Hardy, and had won it cleanly, without any cheating whatsoever. He didn't continue to beat up on Hardy after the match was over, he wasn't insulting anyone on the microphone, he was simply standing there celebrating. Then, out of nowhere, and for no reason whatsoever, here comes the Undertaker, who than attacks CM Punk. Why? I don't understand the logic of the booking here. What does 'Taker have against Punk again? Does he not like straight edge people or something? In what world is the good guy the one who attacks someone without any provocation? Strange, strange booking there.

You could consider this heelish for anyone else in the WWE, except for 'Taker. He is the fucking Undertaker. What would you rather have him do? Come out and challenge Punk with a promo on the mic? I, personally, prefer mind games and chokeslams from 'Taker. He was just making a statement, "I'm back and now you're fucked!" That is how he does things. He challenged Batista with a chokeslam. I mean, one could argue, that this is classic Undertaker, not classic heel moves.

That said, sure Taker deserves a title shot. He's the fucking Undertaker. All of this nonsense about "Oh what has he done to prove himself from a kayfabe point of view lately?"...he's been the motherfucking Undertaker, that's what he's done. I'm pretty sure once you've won 17 Wrestlemania matches, you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want in kayfabe. Every wrestling fan on the face of the planet knows who The Undertaker is. I can't believe anyone is even arguing about whether or not Taker deserves another title shot from a kayfabe stance. He's a god damn legend, that's what he's done to deserve it.

Amen brother, amen! I don't think anything else needs to be said on that issue.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

The main problem I have with the Undertaker possibly getting a title shot is the timing of it. Punk won the title from Hardy at Extreme Rules then Hardy won at back at the Bash. Since Breaking Point is the next PPV, it will be a submission match. I don't see Taker tapping or passing out to the Anaconda Vice so it's a strong possibility that if Taker gets to face Punk at BP, then he would win. Hell in a Cell wouldn't be so bad because Taker isn't automatically going to win that match. So I have a problem with the timing more than anything.

 

[SSJPhenom]

The main problem I have with the Undertaker possibly getting a title shot is the timing of it. Punk won the title from Hardy at Extreme Rules then Hardy won at back at the Bash. Since Breaking Point is the next PPV, it will be a submission match. I don't see Taker tapping or passing out to the Anaconda Vice so it's a strong possibility that if Taker gets to face Punk at BP, then he would win. Hell in a Cell wouldn't be so bad because Taker isn't automatically going to win that match. So I have a problem with the timing more than anything.

They might have Punk build up a story with 'Taker before actually having the match, who knows? But the point with this feud isn't 'Taker getting the title, it is 'Taker, establishing Punk as a top guy in the company. IMO he still looks weak as hell as the Champ. So even if 'Taker does get the title from Punk at BP and then drops it back to him, or Punk pulls out the upset win or steals one or two from 'Taker, Punk is going to look very credible as the WHC when this is all said and done.

 

[Freedumb]

Exactly, what hasn't The Undertaker done in kayfabe to deserve a title shot? Undefeated at the superbowl of wrestling, has a win over every current top superstar there is, and has defeated most big name legends. He can do whatever the fuck he pleases.

And for those of you bitching about him holding people back in the business sense, who the fuck is John Morrison going to look more credible beating for a championship: CM Punk or The Undertaker? Undertaker would give the bigger rub by miles.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Where is your proof that The Undertaker has earned as much money as Mysterio ... Check yourself before you post first!

The Undertaker is a big DRAW! YOU ARE WRONG! I know many people that don't even watch Smackdown since he left! Now that he has returned they are talking about checking it out! YOU ARE WRONG!

To be frank, I really don't think Undertaker is all that big a draw anymore. He sells merchandise, but as far as him being a draw for House Shows or PPV's, I'm certainly not seeing it. Being that he rarely works House Shows anymore it's kind of hard for him to draw, but the ones he does work, I don't see any significant attendance increase compared to the ones he doesn't work.

What draws is the WWE package as a whole. You may get a couple more buys if Taker is on the card, but nothing significant at all. Because of his Part Time (or should I say "Seasonal") schedule, he simply isn't the draw he once was.

Let's see some figures from you pointing to Taker being a Draw in this day and age, if you would be so kind to support that claim with some data.

Exactly, what hasn't The Undertaker done in kayfabe to deserve a title shot? Undefeated at the superbowl of wrestling, has a win over every current top superstar there is, and has defeated most big name legends. He can do whatever the fuck he pleases.

And for those of you bitching about him holding people back in the business sense, who the fuck is John Morrison going to look more credible beating for a championship: CM Punk or The Undertaker? Undertaker would give the bigger rub by miles.

I firmly believe Morrison should hold the Intercontinental Title first before he is put as a contender for the World Title. WWE needs to be smart about growing their talent, as their lazy booking efforts has bit them in the ass these past few years, as evidenced by how unhappy Vince is that he can't produce stars anymore.

Of course, with Breaking Point coming up, I certainly can't picture Taker submitting to CM Punk, so I think Taker has an excellent chance of getting the title. Perhaps they will switch it back to Punk after a month or two, though.

As a matter of fact, I see mostly Faces winning at Breaking Point, anyway.

 

[Freedumb]

firmly believe Morrison should hold the Intercontinental Title first before he is put as a contender for the World Title. WWE needs to be smart about growing their talent, as their lazy booking efforts has bit them in the ass these past few years, as evidenced by how unhappy Vince is that he can't produce stars anymore.

I honestly couldn't agree with you more. I'm just saying for those who just assume he should hot-shotted into the mainevent picture he would look more credible facing 'Taker over Punk. Excellent point though.

 

[Blade]

To be frank, I really don't think Undertaker is all that big a draw anymore. He sells merchandise, but as far as him being a draw for House Shows or PPV's, I'm certainly not seeing it. Being that he rarely works House Shows anymore it's kind of hard for him to draw, but the ones he does work, I don't see any significant attendance increase compared to the ones he doesn't work.

What draws is the WWE package as a whole. You may get a couple more buys if Taker is on the card, but nothing significant at all. Because of his Part Time (or should I say "Seasonal") schedule, he simply isn't the draw he once was.

Let's see some figures from you pointing to Taker being a Draw in this day and age, if you would be so kind to support that claim with some data.

I find your logic flawed. He wrestles occasionally, generally has good angles and generally puts on great matches. The crowd adore him to no end.
So surely if a wrestling fan had a chance to see Undertaker wrestle, which has become a rare oppotunity, the fan would jump at the chance to see it.
I mean, the Rest in Peace tour is coming to Ireland. The fact that this may be the last time Undertaker comes to Ireland made this event a must see for me and my friends. And I'm guessing it's the same for alot of cities in America.
So in that sense, yes, Undertaker is still very much a draw.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I find your logic flawed. He wrestles occasionally, generally has good angles and generally puts on great matches. The crowd adore him to no end.
So surely if a wrestling fan had a chance to see Undertaker wrestle, which has become a rare oppotunity, the fan would jump at the chance to see it.
I mean, the Rest in Peace tour is coming to Ireland. The fact that this may be the last time Undertaker comes to Ireland made this event a must see for me and my friends. And I'm guessing it's the same for alot of cities in America.
So in that sense, yes, Undertaker is still very much a draw.

Overseas tours are always different, since they are not in your markets with the same frequency that they are here. Attendance is always significantly higher overseas than it is in the United States because of that. You should also be happy that WWE puts a Hell of a lot more effort into the production values of your House Shows compared to ours, as well ... which absolutely suck.

Now, I certainly am not saying that attendance wouldn't increase for tours that are specifically marketed as being a "Retirement Tour" for Taker, but just any regular show that he may appear on will see no significant attendance increase whatsoever. And the same challenge I made to "God", I will make to you. Show me examples of where Taker being on cards in this day and age dramatically drives up attendance of PPV buyrates, if you would. We'll see how flawed my logic and hunches are. If you are correct, then I will tip my hat to you. But we need to see several examples of attendance or buyrates with significant increases with him on the card.

 

[Blade]

Overseas tours are always different, since they are not in your markets with the same frequency that they are here. Attendance is always significantly higher overseas than it is in the United States because of that. You should also be happy that WWE puts a Hell of a lot more effort into the production values of your House Shows compared to ours, as well ... which absolutely suck.

Now, I certainly am not saying that attendance wouldn't increase for tours that are specifically marketed as being a "Retirement Tour" for Taker, but just any regular show that he may appear on will see no significant attendance increase whatsoever. And the same challenge I made to "God", I will make to you. Show me examples of where Taker being on cards in this day and age dramatically drives up attendance of PPV buyrates, if you would. We'll see how flawed my logic and hunches are. If you are correct, then I will tip my hat to you. But we need to see several examples of attendance or buyrates with significant increases with him on the card.

Well it is difficult to prove that he does draw in recent PPV's since he doesn't wrestle much anymore and the fact that he hasn't been in a world title match since One Night Stand last year.
But the best I can give you is this, Wrestlemania 23 and 24, both headlined by Undertaker, were two of the biggest selling Wrestlemania's ever. You can make of that what you will, and I'm sure Trump and Mayweather had something to with it. But you can't deny the possibility that Undertaker might still be a draw.
Unless you're talking about undertaker in the last year. In which case it's impossible to determine whether or not he is a draw.
We can try and prove each other wrong all we want, or we can see how well his feud with Punk does so we can actually find out who's wrong.

 

[KBUnitz]

I'm sick of The Undertaker, his persona is so lame these days. I enjoyed it when he was fighting Randy Orton back in '05,'06 and Kennedy in '07, but now he's defeated Batista, Edge, Shawn Michaels. Right, Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania is more lame than Hulk Hogan's SummerSlam's streak. Time to pass the torch. Punk is the future, let him fight Matt Hardy or John Morrison.

 

[mikeGALLANT]

I'm sick of The Undertaker, his persona is so lame these days. I enjoyed it when he was fighting Randy Orton back in '05,'06 and Kennedy in '07, but now he's defeated Batista, Edge, Shawn Michaels. Right, Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania is more lame than Hulk Hogan's SummerSlam's streak. Time to pass the torch. Punk is the future, let him fight Matt Hardy or John Morrison.

First of all how could you be sick of The Undertaker The Guy is a legend and he is still in good shape for his age.
As For The Maina Streak that is no wheres near LAME the Maina streak is what keeps Taker keep his Legend status if it wasn't for that he wouldn't be as big as he is.
and don't ever compare The Undertaker to Hulk Hogan the sellout.

 

[BananaHeel]

Undertaker will be around until he passes the torch to someone who is truly worthy. He has done so much for the WWE that they can't just let him go like that. He is undefeated at 'Mania, never have I seen him tap out. He's been called the purest striker in the game. And he is still in his prime. How can you not like this guy? So yeah they do tend to play HIS RETURN over and over like a broken record, but that's not his fault its the company's for not coming up with a better way to introduce a Taker/Punk feud. Personally I can't wait to see how this will play out.

 

[Proof]

I have no interest in seeing this feud cause Punk won't benefit from it. Taker is a corny, childish, old man. I want to know how Taker will legitimize Punk as a top guy when Taker is so damn corny. Randy Orton got buried and looked like a complete idiot when he feuded with Taker. Afraid of caskets, fire that came out of nowhere, and stuff like that..I was embarrassed for Orton. People talk about Cena being corny, but Taker is on another level. Taker will come out, cut his over the top promos, tell Punk that he is going to send him to hell, tell him he loves demons, and proceed to bury Punk in a squash match. It took 5 man to take out the Undertaker last year at One Night Stand. Punk's gonna get buried by this corny old man. I wish Punk could feud with someone new and fresh.