NFL Football LD, 2013/14 Season

[Steamboat Ricky]

This is kind of what I'm talking about. How come when other teams suck, it's the fault of the QB, but Rodgers always gets the credit and never the blame? Rodgers got sacked 4 times yesterday, but I know at least two of them (and I want to say three, maybe four) were because he simply holds the ball too long. Rodgers didn't throw the ball well, made some poor decisions and I don't think he did much to help them at all. The defense only gave up 23 points, which was the second fewest of wildcard weekend (not counting the Packers 20).

Why is it Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest QB ever, can receive criticism (keep in mind how the Colts were when he got injured), especially in the playoffs, but Aaron Rodgers cannot?

I'm not going to pretend I'm not biased, I watched Brett Favre take crap for years and so many of his teams were far worse than what Rodgers has had. Rodgers took over a 13-3 team which made it to the NFC Championship game the year before, and since then has won 1 Superbowl (which was DEFINITELY the result of the team getting hot at the right time) and has gone 1-4 otherwise.

It seems to me Aaron Rodgers deserves blame, just like any other QB would take. There is no question Kaepernick outplayed Rodgers. Rodgers made bad decision, held the ball too long resulting in sacks and had a mediocre passing game. I think it's time he takes his blame too.

Rodgers throws a more aesthetically looking football pass than anyone ever, and I think that has a lot to do with it. He threw one to Quarless yesterday off of his back foot that I thought to myself, "If Peyton threw that pass, it would have been a bounce pass." His velocity and arm strength is great.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Also, how many more chances does Marvin Lewis get to win a playoff game?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Because if you are going to ignore his Super Bowl run you are leaving too small of a sample size to make what amounts to an educated guess on his standing.

You may be on to something but the data isn't there compared to Manning, Brady, and Favre that is.

What are all the other QB's records if you remove the years they won the SB?

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

This is kind of what I'm talking about. How come when other teams suck, it's the fault of the QB, but Rodgers always gets the credit and never the blame? Rodgers got sacked 4 times yesterday, but I know at least two of them (and I want to say three, maybe four) were because he simply holds the ball too long. Rodgers didn't throw the ball well, made some poor decisions and I don't think he did much to help them at all. The defense only gave up 23 points, which was the second fewest of wildcard weekend (not counting the Packers 20).

Why is it Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest QB ever, can receive criticism (keep in mind how the Colts were when he got injured), especially in the playoffs, but Aaron Rodgers cannot?

I'm not going to pretend I'm not biased, I watched Brett Favre take crap for years and so many of his teams were far worse than what Rodgers has had. Rodgers took over a 13-3 team which made it to the NFC Championship game the year before, and since then has won 1 Superbowl (which was DEFINITELY the result of the team getting hot at the right time) and has gone 1-4 otherwise.

It seems to me Aaron Rodgers deserves blame, just like any other QB would take. There is no question Kaepernick outplayed Rodgers. Rodgers made bad decision, held the ball too long resulting in sacks and had a mediocre passing game. I think it's time he takes his blame too.

I'd say it's based on the fact that he is a first ballot hall of famer. You've got what most people would say is arguably one of the greatest QB's of all time, and he's got a very mediocre (if not totally underwhelming considering his status) playoff record with only 1 SB.

Rodgers doesn't have that kind of credibility yet, so he doesn't pick up as much criticism for his failures. If he keeps carrying his team and putting up great numbers and eventually becomes an easy HOF pick, then he might pick up more criticism.

I would even go as far as to say that the only reason Tom Brady doesn't get as much criticism is because some of it's deflected off towards Bill Belichick since he's going to go down as one of the greatest coaches ever. I'm not saying Brady doesn't get hate, but generally the hate is split between him and Belichick. Manning has most of it deflected towards him because, let's face it, he's the offensive coach of any team he's on.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Also, how many more chances does Marvin Lewis get to win a playoff game?

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That man should've been fired way before his failure at playoffs. Must be one forgiving owner.

 

[Slyfox696]

Because if you are going to ignore his Super Bowl run you are leaving too small of a sample size to make what amounts to an educated guess on his standing.

You may be on to something but the data isn't there compared to Manning, Brady, and Favre that is.

What are all the other QB's records if you remove the years they won the SB?

I'm not trying to remove the Superbowl run as much as I am trying to not let it overshadow everything else.

I'd say it's based on the fact that he is a first ballot hall of famer. You've got what most people would say is arguably one of the greatest QB's of all time, and he's got a very mediocre (if not totally underwhelming considering his status) playoff record with only 1 SB.

Rodgers doesn't have that kind of credibility yet, so he doesn't pick up as much criticism for his failures. If he keeps carrying his team and putting up great numbers and eventually becomes an easy HOF pick, then he might pick up more criticism.

So you're saying that the better someone is, the more they should be criticized?

I understand your argument and I'm not saying it's not what happens, but it is a silly thing, if you think about it.

I would even go as far as to say that the only reason Tom Brady doesn't get as much criticism is because some of it's deflected off towards Bill Belichick since he's going to go down as one of the greatest coaches ever. I'm not saying Brady doesn't get hate, but generally the hate is split between him and Belichick. Manning has most of it deflected towards him because, let's face it, he's the offensive coach of any team he's on.

Brady is arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. He's more than proven himself.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I understand your argument and I'm not saying it's not what happens, but it is a silly thing, if you think about it.

Silly, maybe, but has a degree of logic to it. Let's use extremes. Say Blaine Gabbert inexplicably gets the Jaguars to the playoffs. He has a bad game and loses one and done. What do people say? "Are you surprised? It's Blaine Gabbert." They wouldn't call him a choke artist because he's generally terrible and they don't expect him to do good. If Peyton Manning does the same thing he gets criticism for choking because he's supposed to be good enough to win playoff games. It's simply a degree of expectation that is inherent in all sports. I guess that's where the sillyness truly lies because this is a team game and rarely is it one man's fault. Unless you're Tony Romo. Either way, Aaron Rodgers is still enough in the middle of all that that he doesn't get the same amount of criticism. As the years pass, I presume, he will begin to receive more if the results don't start to accumulate.

Brady is arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. He's more than proven himself.

You're right. But haters gon' hate. I refer you to "Belicheat," "SpyGate," "It's been 9 years now." The last one is assuming they don't win this year, of course.

 

[Akhilleus]

Mark Ingram is someone I wish the Saints would use a lot more. I honestly would think it would be better off for New Orleans if the Saints just used him as an every down back, rather than what they do with the Thomas and Sproles.

Either way with Thomas inactive this evening I'm thinking Ingram is going to have another great chance to prove himself.

 

[Megatron]

Some big hits going both ways right now. Wow.

 

[Akhilleus]

They should have kept Hartley.

Edit: To be fair after seeing the hold maybe I can't blame Graham too much. Plus the conditions don't make it any easier.

 

[Slash-LN]

I'd rather the Seahawks lose this game because they're a bigger threat to the 49ers assuming the 49ers get past the Panthers tomorrow.
Not to discredit the Saints in any way though because they can make big plays at any point in the game especially with Drew's arm.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I hope New Orleans doesn't win off of that fluke ass play.

 

[Megatron]

Ballgame, skittles.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

What a pathetic level of effort on the part of #28 of the saints during that last td run. He wanted NO part of hitting Marshawn Lynch.

The Hawks pounded them into giving up. The worst kind of defeat.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

what the fuck

 

[Slash-LN]

That was so stupid!
Not the Seahawks winning. They earned it.
That final play though.

 

[Megatron]

If Colston would've went out they would've had at least a 35ish yard hail mary try. With big guys like they got, that was just moronic. Unfortunate way to end.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I bet jmt is losing his shit right now.

 

[Slyfox696]

I literally said out loud to myself, "What the fuck is he doing?"

What a pathetic level of effort on the part of #28 of the saints during that last td run. He wanted NO part of hitting Marshawn Lynch.

I agree, but Lynch in the endzone was the only way the Saints could have come back. If he tackles Lynch, then the game is over after three knees.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

In Colston's defense, im positive he did what he did because he thought that the clock was already at 00:00

 

[jmt225]

Colston deserves no blame whatsoever. It was a designed play... he was doing what was written up. Besides, if it wasn't for Colston, we wouldn't have even been in the game to begin with. He made nearly every big catch the Saints had today, and was the one who recovered the onside kick. Terry Bradshaw burial of him just now really fucking pissed me off. The Twitter reaction is just as ******ed as well.

Anyway, the Saints fought to the very end. They played like shit and Payton called an AWFUL game, but they still somehow managed to have a chance at the end. I'm still very proud of this team and I look forward to next year.

 

[Megatron]

About as beautiful of a start as you can have for the Patriots. Yeesh.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

Oh damn TY Hilton hobbling. Not a good sign at all without him Indy doesn't have a shot.

EDIT: Okay he's back on the field. That's good.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm not sure I get the announcers' complaint there.

The Colts get two points and the ball kicked to them. That sounds better than giving it to them on the two, where there's a good chance they get at least three if not seven points practically handed to them. The announcers are saying you limit them to a field goal attempt, but that's almost automatic. Giving up a safety looks like the best case scenario there.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm not sure I get the announcers' complaint there.

The Colts get two points and the ball kicked to them. That sounds better than giving it to them on the two, where there's a good chance they get at least three if not seven points practically handed to them. The announcers are saying you limit them to a field goal attempt, but that's almost automatic. Giving up a safety looks like the best case scenario there.

Except you give up 2 points and the other team gets the ball back.

The best possibility, and the one I think the referees were discussing, is to throw a pass and leave it incomplete. You get the turnover on downs, but back at the line of scrimmage and not the 2 yard line.