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NFL Football LD, 2013/14 Season

Nice win by the Lions. Calvin is obviously not 100% and there were way too many drops overall but Stafford continues to look great and the defense was dominant in the second half. Now we get to come home for a couple games before the bye week. I'd also like to say that Joseph Fauria is a fucking beast and was a steal as an undrafted free agent. He has pro bowl caliber pass catching skills, he just needs to learn how to block.
 
Great game indeed.

No it wasn't. :(

Sean Payton cost us that game. It was easily the worst playcalling game he's had since 2008. I love the guy and always will, but this one is 90% on his shoulders (other 10% being on the refs).

That said, it's just one game and I more than expect this team to bounce back. We'll be 9-1 by the time we face San Francisco.
 
No it wasn't. :(

Sean Payton cost us that game. It was easily the worst playcalling game he's had since 2008. I love the guy and always will, but this one is 90% on his shoulders (other 10% being on the refs).

That said, it's just one game and I more than expect this team to bounce back. We'll be 9-1 by the time we face San Francisco.

And what percentage of the blame falls on the shoulders of Rob Ryan? Because the Saints defensive coverage in the last few minutes of that game was abysmal.
 
And what percentage of the blame falls on the shoulders of Rob Ryan? Because the Saints defensive coverage in the last few minutes of that game was abysmal.

The Patriots, trailing by one, turned over the ball on downs with 2:46 left in the game. Brady, trailing by four, then threw an interception with 2:24 left. And yet the Patriots somehow beat the New Orleans Saints 30-27 anyhow.

I put none of the blame on the defense. New Orleans didn't eat up the clock at all. They are way too prolific an offense for that to happen, especially to a New England defense missing pretty much all of their playmakers.













Oh yeah, and

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And what percentage of the blame falls on the shoulders of Rob Ryan? Because the Saints defensive coverage in the last few minutes of that game was abysmal.

What Nate said. The Saints D was terrific in the 2nd Half. They should have never been put in that situation in the first place.
 
I would put the about 90% of the blame on the offense with those bizarre sequences on their 2 final drives. Those drives started conservative on the 1st and 2nd down with run plays but switched to aggressive on 3rd down; one with great coverage by Dennard on Colston's go route and the other leading to Brees getting sacked. The defense gets about 10% because they did stop Brady and the Pats earlier but the coverage on that final drive was way too soft and Lewis tackled Dobson out of bounds instead of keeping him inbounds to run time off the clock.

But the Pats are 5-1 so I'm happy.
 
Nah, the refs get that 10%.

The Patriots got 4 timeouts in the 2nd half (Pats would have gotten the ball with only 45 seconds left instead of a 1 minutes and ten seconds if the refs didn't grant them that extra timeout), Junior Gullette was being held clear as day on that last Brady TD pass, them not acknowledging Drew singling for Timeout on his interception was BS, the "False Start" instead of "Offsides" call before halftime was HUGE and something they obviously got wrong, and the unnecessary roughness call on Malcolm Jenkins was complete horseshit as well and kept a Pats drive alive. The refs were a big factor in this game. The Saints should have won despite them, but still... they're part of the reason why they lost. The defense was fine. They can only do so much when Tom Brady is back there. We weren't blessed with a heavy rainstorm like Cincy was last week.
 
Despite me bitching about the refs last week, I don't agree with the call in the Patriots/Jets game. It might have been the "correct" call by the rule book, but like in basketball when it comes to ticky-tacky fouls when the game is on the line, you have to let that one go.
 
Despite me bitching about the refs last week, I don't agree with the call in the Patriots/Jets game. It might have been the "correct" call by the rule book, but like in basketball when it comes to ticky-tacky fouls when the game is on the line, you have to let that one go.
There's virtually zero ticky-tackness on that call. The rulebook clearly states you can't ever do that, and it was blatantly done (the offending player has admitted he screwed up and broke the rules). How is that ticky tack? The only reason we haven't seen it called yet is because it's a new rule this season (one that was pushed for by the players no less) and this is the first time it was done.

If a basketball player ran the ball down the court like a running back, do you not call traveling because it's the end of the game? It's identical. If the guy trying to block the kick ran into the kicker, do you not call it because it's the end of the game?

The rules do not change at the end of the game. If it's a foul midway through the first quarter, it's a foul in overtime.


Oh, and 4-3. 1 game out of first place in the AFC East.
 
Soooooooo, who thought the Chiefs would be the last remaining unbeaten team going into the season? I actually predicted them to finish 10-6 and make the playoffs prior to the season but I don't think anyone (including the most die hard, homer Chiefs fans) saw this coming.
 
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I hope we find a new quarterback soon. Alex Smith is the only reason the Chiefs aren't blowing these teams out. That D is special, they deserve a better offense.

Keenum should be Houston's QB going forward. He broke the Pick-6 streak. Shit, he didn't even throw a pick at all.

Also, I love Steve Smith.
 
I hope we find a new quarterback soon. Alex Smith is the only reason the Chiefs aren't blowing these teams out. That D is special, they deserve a better offense.

You can have Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't want him on the Titans anymore. Chiefs don't even have to offer anything for him. They can just have him.
 
The rules do not change at the end of the game. If it's a foul midway through the first quarter, it's a foul in overtime.

I understand your point of view, but if it were the other way around I think you'd have some trouble feeling the same way.

I just thought it was weird that was the first time that foul was called throughout 6 weeks of NFL play. It had to have happened before, yet that's the one time a referee sees it? Just strange and I still don't agree with making the call in that situation and deciding the game on something so trivial.

And for the record, I do acknowledge the karma. All the awful calls against the Saints last week, and then the CLEAR holding call that wasn't made on Brady's game winning TD pass...

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So it's not like I have a biased point of view here. I just don't agree on deciding a game on a call that didn't affect the play one bit. Now if that dude blocked or disrupted the kick in anyway, then fine... fair call, but that didn't even come close to happening and I just personally feel you let the players decide the outcome, not the refs.

Also, I love Steve Smith.

My God, Nate, why? For what reason could you ever like that loon? If the Saints ever did have a bounty on players (which they didn't for the record), I'm genuinely disappointed they never took that asshole out. There's not a player I despise more in the league.
 
I understand your point of view, but if it were the other way around I think you'd have some trouble feeling the same way.
Rules are rules. The guy blatantly broke the rules and admitted it after the fact. I don't get how you can say "ok whatever, you broke the rules right in front of the ref on the biggest play of the game, lets not call the flag." If that's the case then the 9 guys on the line for Field Goal tries should just tackle the guys trying to block the kick, since that's legal in your mind.

I just thought it was weird that was the first time that foul was called throughout 6 weeks of NFL play. It had to have happened before, yet that's the one time a referee sees it? Just strange and I still don't agree with making the call in that situation and deciding the game on something so trivial.
Or it hasn't happened because the new rule was well known by the players since they were specifically told of the new rules during training camp.

And for the record, I do acknowledge the karma. All the awful calls against the Saints last week, and then the CLEAR holding call that wasn't made on Brady's game winning TD pass...
I can't vouch for that since I didn't see the game last week, but all I know is they had called the game relatively tight all game. Calls that were borderline were getting called for most of the game (including an OPI on Stephen Hill on a touchdown catch that was a flop).
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So it's not like I have a biased point of view here. I just don't agree on deciding a game on a call that didn't affect the play one bit. Now if that dude blocked or disrupted the kick in anyway, then fine... fair call, but that didn't even come close to happening and I just personally feel you let the players decide the outcome, not the refs.
But it did affect the kick. It created an artificial, illegal pressure. Sure they didn't block it, but they got closer to the ball then they should have.

So in your mind do you not call a foul on a basketball defender if the player makes the shot? No more 3 point plays. Do you not call offsides on a lineman who jumps because he is blocked on the play? Do you not call offsides in hockey if the offending player doesn't score a goal? That's ridiculous.

The refs didn't decide the outcome. The players did. The Pats player decided to try an illegal tactic and got busted. he helped decide the game. Just like Nick Folk, Geno Smith, Jeremy Kerley, The entirety of the Jets D, and Tom Brady.
 
So in your mind do you not call a foul on a basketball defender if the player makes the shot?

This isn't equivalent to that in my opinion. This is equivalent to a guy completely away from the ball, squatting his defender's hand. It's a foul, but does the ref call that when the game is on the line? Of course he doesn't since it didn't directly affect the play.

Also, the Pats did this last week against the Saints and it wasn't called, among many other things that weren't called. I still think it's just strange for it to be called at that certain moment when it hasn't been called all season long despite it having to have happened multiple times before yesterday.

And there are rules that don't ever get called. I saw on Mike and Mike this morning that it's illegal to push your teammate while he's stuck in a pile-up and trying to get extra yards, yet it happens all the time and it NEVER gets called. I didn't even know that was a rule before this morning, and that affects a play way more than what was called on the Pats yesterday (I've seen plenty of first downs and even touchdowns made with a lineman pushing a running back). I never recall seeing a blocked field goal because someone was pushed from behind.
 
Well let's just have a one man LD here.

Scherels! Holy shit I was expecting that one to come back.
 

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