Oh Twist... while you actually made an effort to respond intelligently... ur still whining.
NO. I've covered this. The pre-season tickets do cost less though, and as others on the other side of me, acknowledged they know others who'd rather go to the pre-season because of its cheaper cost. You also don't have the cost of playing the players a full, regular season game check hanging over a pre-season game, so when the game morphs from a pre-season game in August into a meaningless game in December you end up with a similar, or worse attendance and have to pay the players full game checks. They lose money. Bad idea. You lose.
Did you? Like I said, your posts are often nothing more then a huge wall of denial and weak counters, so I only read this one. Go on google. You'll find two articles, one talking about how Pre season ticket prices are too high and preseason games are a risk to the players who don't want to be here, and the second is about how ticket prices are too low, since the majority of them are season ticket holders who are forced to buy preseason tickets and because they will still want the season tickets, they will fork over an extra 5 or 10 bucks per ticket to do it. If the owners we're really greedy they'd do it, but the fans have screamed that they don't want to see a half scrimmage by a group of main roster and then mostly backups and punch warmers.
Now while your right that regular season games do have the added cost of player salaries, they do also have TV money coming in, sponsors, and a greater attendance.
Umm, they aren't out there to PERFORM in the pre-season, they are out there to ready for the regular season.
Then what is the point of your argument. By this account they shouldn't even bother with a preseason. No one wants to see a bunch of athletes perform at half capacity and then watch a bunch of nobodies stumble and fumble the ball. The fans have been very vocal in their complaints about preseason and not being worth it, despite your claims that tickets are cheaper. I wouldn't want to fork over 50 bucks to watch Peyton play 5 minutes. And don't hand me this bullshit they use it to get ready for regular season. So how does Farve walk into camp on the last week of training camp and play so well during the season. Several players hold out and miss much of camp and walk into the regular season in fine form. Why... this guy summed it up
I read an article that Matt Ryan was spending this offseason studying guys like Manning/Brees/Brady to see how they work.
they work out during the off season, they work out during training camp. Many football players have shown they can perform without game practice. The veterans don't need to play these practice games and risk injury. Eli Manning took a vicious hit in the first pre season game, needed stitches and missed several days of practice. Over a meaningless game. Imagine having to play four of these and not get paid for them. Playing 1 or 2 extra games make's sense b/c the players will earn more money, the fans will get more football, and the owners will make more money. They aren't idiots there, the NFL is one of the most smartly run leagues and the only thing that could jeopardize them is this no salary cap biz. Having two extra weeks will be profitable.
And now you get into the realm of messing up the season. Very few games are going to be a draw down the stretch, there will a few, yes. I will admit that, but you'll get more duds than not.
And why is putting more teams into the playoffs a good thing? When does watering down something improve the quality? Now wild-card teams have to win 5 games to win the Super Bowl?
Are you dumb man? what sort of bracket are you trying to come up with. Obviously if it was an eight team bracket there would be no more bye week advantage. The team that finished top in the NFC would face the number 8 team. Same as in NBA or NHL. And yes if there were 8 playoff spots then most likely the games down the stretch would mean more. Don't tell me there isn't a lot of action down the stretch. Going into the final 2 weeks there are usually 3-5 teams gunning for 1-2 spots. Add 2 playoff spots to a conference and suddenly 5-8 teams are going for 2-3 spots. And it's not just that they would be fighting for, but positioning, home field advantage, where you want to end up and who you want to face.
You came into this thread with your "clever" ideas, but you said nothing, absolutely nothing that hasn't been addressed already.
I don't care if the CFL players don't complain (which they probably do), which means the NFL players shouldn't. Guess what? That's a stupid comparison. "The AFL players are okay with a rule change, so the NFL players would be *****es if they didn't agree to it." They are castoffs, they cant make it in the NFL, that's why they have less of a voice for complaint. If the owners use them as a tool to make themselves more money, the players deserve an accurate cut of that. End of story.
My clever ideas are still a million times better than...
They lose money. Bad idea. You lose.
Nobody gives a crap about the Panthers, do you watch any other teams?
Who cares? I don't. Talk to yourself by yourself.
You make a lot of good comments throughout, but your just too damn near sighted to accept another opinion. And the unnecessary bashing of CFL players, most of whom have had to work their butts off as hard as any NFL player does, and makes about as much as a practice squad player. I didn't say the CFL players complained about it, this one man, who writes weekly in the free press and plays for the Winnipeg Bombers, wrote about the NFL owners idea for the 18 game schedule and commented on it. Mostly cracking at the NFL brass calling it their own idea and that the players would cry right away for a deserved compensation. This comparison is stupid...
"The AFL players are okay with a rule change, so the NFL players would be *****es if they didn't agree to it."
The CFL didn't implement it you low level, they have been doing it for years. Don't complain a lick, or feel it's any more of a burden. In fact I'm sure they'd want to play as many games as possible given their low pay rolls. The CFL is far from castoffs. You blindly bash a league you have zero knowledge of and no clue about it's fan base and growing popularity. Hell the NFL Network purchased the rights to at least 6-12 CFL games this year and given the barn burner 54-51 CFL opener between Saskatchewan and Montreal that went to double overtime, I'm sure the NFL will increase it's CFL coverage. Call the CFL "NFL junior". The major difference in the players is most weren't big enough or fast enough. There have been several players who have played well in the CFL and then done well in the NFL. The CFL ain't complaining, and the owners don't use them to make more money, the CFL does not make a billion dollars, those greedy fat cats in the NFL it was just an example you wetard..... huff huff
oh and by the way...
If the owners use them (assumed CFL, but Twist could've meant NFL) as a tool to make themselves more money, the players deserve an accurate cut of that. End of story.
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so when the game morphs from a pre-season game in August into a meaningless game in December you end up with a similar, or worse attendance and have to pay the players full game checks. They lose money. Bad idea. You lose.
So in the CFL the owners are making money through 18 week schedule with far less of a TV deal and lower attendence prices, while if the NFL does it it will make them less? Sorry, that makes no sense, and so do you, senior Twist.
Only bash leagues you actually watch.