must watch video(don't deleate)

[Meat Boy]

www.meat.org

This is a real and very serious topic that I don't think should get deleated. If people can start stupid thread about how much they like Creed than I think mine should stay too. What do you think?

 

[Meat Boy]

I don't feel I need to explain myself all you need to is watch the video and you get your explanation there

 

[SalvIsWin]

You need to re-do the thread man. You don't give any direction for the discussion, and you don't even explain what the website is - also you didn't spell delete or deleted correctly and that doesn't help your cause either.

Honestly, I am a meat eater, but I cannot justify that and I know that I should be a vegetarian. There is no good reason for eating meat. The only reason I've heard that's been somewhat valid is that in the past we needed to eat meat to get certain nutrients and to receive proteins - it was a necessity, that's where our desire for meat comes from. However we live in an era where the modern man or woman does not need to eat meat. It's healthier to be a vegetarian, and it's more humane and moral to be a vegetarian. My fiance is a vegetarian and soon enough I will be too. I'd suggest you re-do the thread though following a guideline that LSN does, you'll get a lot more interest.

 

[Sparky]

I don't feel I need to explain myself all you need to is watch the video and you get your explanation there

I'm guessing this was aimed at my rep? It's a little hard to reply when I have no idea what you're trying to get at. Are you saying you want this to stop? Are you saying you think this happens at every "slaughterhouse" in the world? Are you trying to converte us to become a vegetarian? What?

I haven't watched the video yet, I'm on a shitty prepaid internet stick. But I'm sure I have seen it before, It's all predictable anyway. Not every single slaughterhouse runs like this and the ones that do, would be shut down as soon as the authorities catch wind about it. If this is the same video I'm thinking about, it's years old. There's no way the whole world would run this way anymore.

No way would I ever become a vegetarian. I buy my meat from the butchers or the supermarket. I don't meet the animal before I eat it, I have no idea if the bacon I'm eating is coming from Babe's great grand daughter and that's the way I like it. I don't think about if it lived to see it's 18th birthday, Meat taste good. as long as it's not off when it reaches my plate it's all that matters when I sit down to eat it.

Why do people want to do stuff about animals being treated poorly when they are bred for food purposes only, When there is Humans out in the world living in worse conditions, starving every day that nobody gives a shit about.

 

[SalvIsWin]

I don't know what Mantaur's position is on meat eating, and what the purpose of the thread was exactly, but I am assuming that he meant that slaughterhouses are immoral, and maybe even that meat eating is immoral. I'll defend that position. I wish this thread was better created so it would get more responses.

I haven't watched the video yet, I'm on a shitty prepaid internet stick. But I'm sure I have seen it before, It's all predictable anyway. Not every single slaughterhouse runs like this and the ones that do, would be shut down as soon as the authorities catch wind about it. If this is the same video I'm thinking about, it's years old. There's no way the whole world would run this way anymore.

There are plenty of slaughterhouses that are incredibly inhumane to animals, it's a serious issue. You say there's no way the world would run this way anymore, but it does. Keep in mind, meat is imported and there are a lot fewer regulations in other countries than there is in North America.

No way would I ever become a vegetarian. I buy my meat from the butchers or the supermarket. I don't meet the animal before I eat it, I have no idea if the bacon I'm eating is coming from Babe's great grand daughter and that's the way I like it. I don't think about if it lived to see it's 18th birthday, Meat taste good. as long as it's not off when it reaches my plate it's all that matters when I sit down to eat it.

Basically you're saying you eat meat because it's pleasurable. Would you be okay if someone carved out the eyes of kittens for their own pleasure? Where is the moral and ethical line?

Why do people want to do stuff about animals being treated poorly when they are bred for food purposes only, When there is Humans out in the world living in worse conditions, starving every day that nobody gives a shit about.

I think their point would be that just because we can exert dominance over animals doesn't mean we should. The fact that they're bred for human consumption doesn't say anything about eating meat. There's a lot of organizations that deal with human suffering, but just because there are other injustices in the world doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye towards animal injustices.

 

[Sparky]

There are plenty of slaughterhouses that are incredibly inhumane to animals, it's a serious issue.

It might be A serious issue in some parts of the world, but again as I said just because it's happening at a few slaughter houses don't mean it's going on everywhere.

You say there's no way the world would run this way anymore, but it does.

Actually, I said the WHOLE world. and I still stick by that. You cannot sit here and tell me that you're an expert on slaughter houses all over the world can you?

Keep in mind, meat is imported

Most of it isn't.

and there are a lot fewer regulations in other countries than there is in North America.

You see, here is our problem that the op has caused... He posts a video on the imhumane treatment of animals in slaughter houses. He doesn't elaborate and say that it's only applying to North America does he? I'm not from North America. I'm Australian. and our animal laws are pretty strict.

Basically you're saying you eat meat because it's pleasurable.

I eat meat because it taste good.

Would you be okay if someone carved out the eyes of kittens for their own pleasure?

Lulz is that how they are killing the cattle and pigs? If not I don't follow.

 

[SalvIsWin]

It might be A serious issue in some parts of the world, but again as I said just because it's happening at a few slaughter houses don't mean it's going on everywhere. Actually, I said the WHOLE world. and I still stick by that. You cannot sit here and tell me that you're an expert on slaughter houses all over the world can you? Most of it isn't.You see, here is our problem that the op has caused... He posts a video on the imhumane treatment of animals in slaughter houses. He doesn't elaborate and say that it's only applying to North America does he? I'm not from North America. I'm Australian. and our animal laws are pretty strict.

No, I am not an expert on slaughter houses lol. You're right, not every single slaughter house is like this, maybe not even 50% are like, maybe it's under 10% - I don't know for sure, but I do know that animals are being slaughtered inhumanely in a proportion that makes it a serious issue.

I eat meat because it taste good.Lulz is that how they are killing the cattle and pigs? If not I don't follow.

My point is that where do you draw the line. Would you agree that carving out a kittens eyes for your own pleasure is acceptable? If you do, we can talk about that, if you don't, why is eating meat for pleasure acceptable? At the end of the day you're killing an animal for your own pleasure.

 

[Meat Boy]

I didn't give much of a explanation because I thought that the video already did a pretty good job telling you the cause. I've been a vegetarian now for two years and I'm not posting this video telling you to stop eating meat all I'm doing is informing you on how are meat is made. I feel we all have a right to know where are food comes from. Like I said before I'm not saying to stop eating meat because no one is telling the lions to stop eating the zebras and the sharks to stop eating the fish because thats there nature and then theres animals like elephants who live on a vegetarian diet because it's there nature. Humans are different in the sense that we get to choose our nature whether we want to eat meat or not. The only difference in humans killing for food is that we make the animals suffer when you look at all animals hunt for prey they kill them right away. Do you even know how veal is made? Right when the cow is born its forced to stay in a cage that prevents it from moving so it's bones can be very weak giving it the soft tender flavor you so selfishlly ask for. I can't imagine why anyone would want to eat a baby in the first place. It's still happeneing right now millions ofanimals are suffering just to bet eated. When more than half the meat that is produced is wasted, so those animals suffer there whole life to get killed and thrown away never to be eaten.Thats one of the main problems theres way too many animals in the slaughterhouses. Recentlly they showed on the news how poorly the chickens that provide the eggs for McDonalds. Since I brought up McDonalds did you know that all there chicken as well as most frozen food chicken is made by putting a entire chicken into a compresser machine that turns the chicken into this odd colored pink paste that is then added with flavoring and food coloring. I'm just letting you where your meat that you eat is coming from. I think I explained myself well and you get my point now and sorry for any spelling errors I type fast with out proof reading

 

[DirtyJosé]

I didn't give much of a explanation because I thought that the video already did a pretty good job telling you the cause.

This is why "shitty Creed threads" stick around and why this bullshit is probably spam and should be deleted. Not that I'm really in any position to declare it as such, but hey...with and opening like that, it's like you are begging for someone like to come in here.

I've been a vegetarian now for two years and I'm not posting this video telling you to stop eating meat all I'm doing is informing you on how are meat is made. I feel we all have a right to know where are food comes from. Like I said before I'm not saying to stop eating meat because no one is telling the lions to stop eating the zebras and the sharks to stop eating the fish because thats there nature and then theres animals like elephants who live on a vegetarian diet because it's there nature. Humans are different in the sense that we get to choose our nature whether we want to eat meat or not. The only difference in humans killing for food is that we make the animals suffer when you look at all animals hunt for prey they kill them right away. Do you even know how veal is made? Right when the cow is born its forced to stay in a cage that prevents it from moving so it's bones can be very weak giving it the soft tender flavor you so selfishlly ask for. I can't imagine why anyone would want to eat a baby in the first place. It's still happeneing right now millions ofanimals are suffering just to bet eated. When more than half the meat that is produced is wasted, so those animals suffer there whole life to get killed and thrown away never to be eaten.Thats one of the main problems theres way too many animals in the slaughterhouses. Recentlly they showed on the news how poorly the chickens that provide the eggs for McDonalds. Since I brought up McDonalds did you know that all there chicken as well as most frozen food chicken is made by putting a entire chicken into a compresser machine that turns the chicken into this odd colored pink paste that is then added with flavoring and food coloring. I'm just letting you where your meat that you eat is coming from. I think I explained myself well and you get my point now and sorry for any spelling errors I type fast with out proof reading

A: Anyone who doesn't know where their food comes from is an idiot. I suppose on this we can agree, sort of. I think it's silly, of course, that the insinuation made here is that most carnivores don't know where the food comes from or how it is made, and that if they knew it would change their mind.

B: I wouldn't necessarily say that we can choose our way in diets; many people need to stop eating meat among other things for health reasons. It swings both ways too; my vegetarian girlfriend is being told by her physician that many of her current health issues stem from her being raised as a vegetarian and that she needs to add meat into her diet. The fact is that vegetarian and vegan diets aren't "be all, end all" replacements for meat and it's benefits right now. Many sources of protein in such diets, such as soy, cause other problems.

C: What's funny about bringing up McD is that it makes the assumption that one incident is indicative of the way the entire operation must be run. Didn't they immediately cut off all business ties with the guilty party involved? Now, I'm not here pretending to be invested in trying to defend a fast food empire, but I just love the way these kind of arguments and "facts" are brought out and are supposed to shock anyone. Show me a person in this modern world who isn't aware that human beings are totally capable of being entirely shitty self-centered pricks with zero empathy for most any form of life around them, and I'll show you someone in need of a rude awakening about much much more important things that just eating meat.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Like I said before I'm not saying to stop eating meat because no one is telling the lions to stop eating the zebras and the sharks to stop eating the fish because thats there nature

If you're calling us lions and sharks, I want to be a lion rather than a shark.

 

[SalvIsWin]

B: I wouldn't necessarily say that we can choose our way in diets; many people need to stop eating meat among other things for health reasons. It swings both ways too; my vegetarian girlfriend is being told by her physician that many of her current health issues stem from her being raised as a vegetarian and that she needs to add meat into her diet. The fact is that vegetarian and vegan diets aren't "be all, end all" replacements for meat and it's benefits right now. Many sources of protein in such diets, such as soy, cause other problems.

Let's hear one example where someone has to eat meat. Any research I've ever seen on the subject states that you can get every vitamin, nutrient, and protein you need from vegetarian food and/or supplements like iron pills. If you're a vegetarian and you refuse to eat dried beans for example, yeah, you're going to be iron deficient.

The problem with vegetarian or vegan diets is that they require a lot more planning than a diet with meat. You can't just eat whatever you want with a vegetarian diet (that's non-meat of course) and be alright, you're probably going to develop a problematic deficiency, so you need to eat certain things on a regular basis to get certain nutrients.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Again, the example given is that my girlfriend is being told she needs to add meat into her diet. Supplements are not absorbed into the system as cleanly and easily as is actual food, and many essential oils and fats, along with protein, are found in meats. For a more pointed example, Vegetarian diets are linked with high occurrences of Insulin Resistance and Polycystic Ovaries (an issue both vegetarian women I've dated have had to deal with).

 

[SalvIsWin]

Both of which are examples of problems that can occur when a vegetarian is not actually on top of what they need to eat. B12 deficiency is one of the things that cause polycystic ovaries, and it's more common in vegans or vegetarians (more commonly vegans) because B12 is mostly found in meat. You can find every nutrient you need in non-meat foods if you're willing to find it and eat it. If you're a vegetarian and you haven't done your research on what you need to be healthy, you might be deficient in iron, B12, or something like that.

Obviously your girlfriend's doctor's recommendation is only your girlfriends and your owns business, but I'd be seriously questioning what he's saying - he's basically telling you to have an easier, but overall less healthy diet. Balanced vegetarian diets are more healthy than any diet than involves meat (maybe not fish-only diets, not sure on that one), but there's been countless studies that show that a proper veg diet is good.