Mr. McMahon, take pointers from Dixie Carter in how to act like an Authority Figure

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Yes, you read that correctly. This was something that came up in the big Raw Live Discussion last night.

No, I am not saying Vince should take acting lessons from Dixie, but rather, that he should follow through with how she conducts herself as an on-screen persona as the head of TNA.

(EDIT: I had to go back and put that in bold because quite a few people in this thread are incapable of reading and understanding my actual position)


It's time for those that are marks for Vince McMahon to come clean and admit the truth ... Mr. McMahon as a character on TV is stale, and has been stale for some time now.

I see everyone get on the case of people like Jerry Lawler, John Cena, and others for being stale, and yes, you are absolutely correct in those allegations, as well. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Mr. McMahon, as an on-screen character is completely and totally stale.





We have seen every form of Vince known to man. We saw:

"Announcer Vince" in the 80's and early 90's

Then, we saw Vince play a real life version of himself when he screwed Bret.

After that, it evolved into a very frustrated version of his real life self when he began feuding with Austin.

We've seen Higher Power Vince.

This then somehow evolved into a very Over the Top and ridiculous Mr. McMahon persona today who Powerwalks to the ring every week, with a couple variations along the way such as:

"I want a divorce" Vince, who wanted a divorce from his wife.

We've seen "Crazy" Vince, who lost his marbles after losing the ECW Title, of all things, to Bobby Lashley.

We've seen "I can't stand my children" Vince- when he was feuding with the WCW and ECW Alliance when he fired Shane and Stephanie from his company.

Also, "I beat up women" Vince when he was in a program with wrestling his very own daughter Stephanie in a match.

We've seen "Cheating" Vince who flaunted his affairs in front of Linda McMahon.

We've seen "All about the MONAAAAAY" Vince which was a miserable failure and never caught on when Vince faked his death and felt his family was just out for his inheritance.

We've seen "Father of his bastard son, Hornswoggle" Vince, who apparently did not have the resources that JBL had to determine that this was a fraud being pulled by Finlay and Vince's family.




Enough is Enough. Vince wants everyone else in his company toned down apparently, except for himself. I am tired of seeing the Over the Top Vince McMahon and am ready for a serious change.

If anything, Vince should realize this and be taking notes from what Dixie Carter is doing on TNA television. That's right. Dixie Carter essentially playing herself in worked shoot segments as ... you guessed it ... the TNA President. What a novel idea.

We've seen this Mr. McMahon character and all of his ridiculous over the top exaggerations of himself since 1998, and it's tired, it's exhaustive, it's stale, it's all been done before, and there is nothing left for Vince McMahon to do except go back to being himself ... the Chairman of the WWE and CEO.

Everyone that is on the "realism in wrestling" kick should be applauding this call for the change in Vince. Yes, I want to see something we haven't seen in a very long time from one of the central figures of WWE programming.

I want to see this person on TV that acts like a real, down to Earth, Chairman and CEO who is trying to look out for his company's best interests ... and place that person into some intriguing scenarios where he gets stressed out, threatened, and so forth from fellow WWE superstars.

I don't want to see the over-exaggerated reactions, the Power-walking on the way to the ring, the power-obsessed, outrageous Authority figure that has been on my TV screen for going on 12 years. Eventually all things have to come to an end and we need to see something else out of Vince we haven't seen in a very long time. And what that is, is for Vince to be real-life Vince McMahon, Chairman and CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment. No power-walking. No more "No Chance in Hell" or any theme music for that matter, and none of the other garbage.

So in many respects, YES Vince McMahon could very well be taking pointers from Dixie Carter at this point who is just being herself in worked shoot situations and storylines. This prolongs the freshness of the character and allows the person to act as a Tweener, and someone who is simply out there to try to do his job and maintain order and profitability for his company.

Again, what a novel concept.

Let's hear what each of you have to say.

I agree that vinces character has gone stale, but to say he needs to learn from dixie is just stupid, dixie has only been on tv a handful of times unlike vince who has graced our tv for years, so saying vince should learn isn't the right thing to say to be honest. Anyway this ''war'' with Tna will bring the best out in Vince and i for one will be watching WWE on 4th January, The only time ill be watching tna that night is before raw starts as Raw is on at 9pm and tna starts at 8pm so thats when i will be watching, and ill put money onit that Hulk Hogan will make his debut in the first hour before raw starts just to try and get a head start on the ratings to see what he does.

But back to my view onthe topic, if anyone needs to be taking lessons off anyone then Dixie needs to take lessons from Vince on how to make a Wrestling company so big that no competition can be bigger than it, and Tna will not be bigger than wwe, In fact i wouldnt be surprised if Vince bought Tna a years down the line.
 
LOLOLOLOL at all the butthurt from WWE fans. Why do some of you go immediately on the defense any time someone criticizes the WWE? Someone answer me this.

I agree with the OP. I've only seen Dixie Carter four times that I can recall on TNA programming, and during all four segments it's been 100% business. The last few segments Vince McMahon has done are all about personal rivalries. Remember the segment with Roddy Piper? Or more recently, just this past Monday with Bret Hart? If he is on SmackDown, it's to berate Teddy Long. Vince being the overbearing, grapefruit-sized balls, controlling boss had its run during the Corporation era. The powerwalking is unnecessary and, well, ridiculous.

Not gonna lie, though. I got really excited when he was going to fire Randy Orton. No one can tell someone they're getting fired quite like Vince McMahon.
 
LOLOLOLOL at all the butthurt from WWE fans. Why do some of you go immediately on the defense any time someone criticizes the WWE?

Why is it that so many TNA marks suddenly go nuts whenever someone doesn't bash the WWE, disagrees with some criticisms of it, points out the positives it has going on and is willing to speak up to defend it to some degree?

I've got no real problem with Vince's character because it's not really being shoved down our throats week in and week out. I see little that Vince can learn or should copy from Dixie Carter.

Vince adopting more of a tweener role with Bret Hart as part of the company and his interactions with Bret Hart I think is appropriate and works well. When you look at the overall history of the Montreal Screwjob, there are fans that do believe that Bret Hart was in the wrong as well. I happen to be one of those fans. I can't see Vince as a clear cut villain during his story with Bret Hart because I think he did have some legitimate reasons for doing what he did. Not saying that makes it right because I don't think either he or Bret Hart were "right" in their actions.
 
I don't really care for the 'stale' factor too much, I just consider myself to be apart of the "realism in wrestling" stick, as Sidious said, I really would like to see Vince as a realistic CEO of the company, only going into the needed character when the there is need for it at the moment. And of course, he needs to act and be a certain way to take on Bret Hart next week. So, I am going to have to go with Sidious on this one.
 
I'll answer you:

Go back and read some of my old posts and you will find me criticizing WWE. I was very vocal about my displeasure towards the Sheamus push. However, I have been pleasantly surprised with it, as I gave it a shot to work.

Now, I jumped on the defensive, not of the WWE as a general rule, but of the character Mr. McMahon as he is. Why? Because it's classic, it's entertaining, and it works. It's been working for years...so why would Vince go around changing it? Vince is clearly not too egotistical to make a quality business decision, and he's shown that over the years, bringing back Hogan and now, Bret Hart. So, if Vince was causing ratings to go down...I'm sure Vince would back off.

I criticized the OP, not because he was saying that Vince should be more like TNA...but because he said that Vince should be more like Dixie Carter. Dixie Carter is fine as she is, but she needs to be Dixie Carter...Vince needs to be Vince. Now, Sid will say that Vince needs to take his own personal twist to the Dixie Carter "character," but why? What he is currently doing is great, and Vince will always be one of the greatest antagonists of all-time.
 
Well to respond to the Original post of Lord Sidious, I think Vince won't succeed being someone like Dixie, not that Dixie is not doing her job well,because it works for her and the Company she is running, but I don't thing it will work for Vince and let explain why.

The enviroments are completely different from one another, I mean I know both are Pro-wrestling companies but from within they are different.

Dixie's character works (and was in part performed by Vince during late 1996 to late 1997, will get into tat in a minute) because the reality is that as successful as TNA has become, it is still a struggling company that is Number two in the business and will be for a long time. TNA does not need an Authority figure that puts down talent by any means now because they haven't succeed in their battle to become a completely stable company, Like they put it on Dixie's interview, they have won and they need to continuing winning one fan at the time, They need to keep fightig and until they succeed to be stable and reach their goal, The novelty as you have exposed it (maybe I got it wrong, so please tell me if I did) goes with Dixie doing what it's best for her company to survive since they are not completely out of danger.

Vince played this kind of role for a while, most notoriously at the time Bret came back from retirement. Mostly keeping himself as an announcer but still also playing the guy who sometimes had to make the top decisions, no mather how hard the decision was.

Example of this was the storyline between Stone Cold Steve Austin and the late Owen Hart: Austin got injured for real, but the story played like Slaughter suspended him to heal from that injury, he reacted by put a Stunner on him and every authority figure, then Vince in acceptance of his charge and role, tried to talk to Austin, making the point that they were trying to do what was best for Austin not to end in a wheel chair or worse, not playing a determined character but the one of a Owner looking up for his employees and for his fans, then Austin attacked him. Even with that, Vince kept his c and gave Austin what he wanted since there was no way to reason with him, he told him that if he wanted to risk his life he would allowed him to do so.

Something similar happened with Vince and Bret when he was about to become a heel. Bret felt frustrated about how nothing was going his way and started blaming Vince, but during most of that time, Vince kept his composture and did hwat was best for the company (storyline wise), even when after the 1997 Royal Rumble Bret quit, he then went to the back and fixed thing for Bret to stay.

Actually the real deployment of "Mr. McMahon" as was known started way after 1997 Survivor Series, right before Wrestlemania 14., Vince had his hands tied, (Storyline wise again) His last two champions were the people who caused him more headches than anyone and on top of it all, the guy who had attacked him with no remorse and disrespected him was about to get a shot at the highest price, and he couldn't do anything to stop it. In an interview by J. R. Vince tried to avoid the topic but it came up "Do you want Austin as WWF Champion?" And Vince had to answer and he did taking a deep breath "Hell No".

Then after Austin won, WWE had started to win the Ratings war (Not really, but stopped the streak of weeks that WCW was carrying) he WWF was getting out of the water and this little power struggle was getting interesting that is when the Evil guy came up, but that was until the Company actually made it once again, they were Number one again, not really struggling that much and Hell, the background of the character was completely solid.

The best heels are the ones that some how are justified to become bad guys, in this case, Vince had enough of Wrestlers running him like a piece of crap, According to him, he made the company and the wrestlers were only tools and that he had done everything to make the company succesful, after all It was his Company and only one ruler was about to run it...Vince McMahon.

From there, is very difficult to go back to be the CEO that only look for the good of the company and the fans, Vince has made it and his company is not struggling to survive at all, I mean maybe the business is down in USA but Vince has use it to capitalize on Foreing Markets and is succeding, maybe TNA is getting better in England but unless you have cable on other markets, WWE is on Free TV and on Cable, and tickets outside the States for house shows are very expensive, but they usually sell out.

The last paragrafh was actually to point out that actually Mr. McMahon is probably the best character to turn into a regular CEO, after seeing his Dark side is very, very difficult to see him comming back to the character that is just neutral.

Personally I thing it does not longer suits him and that is what the GM are there for. Raw has the Guest Host thing, so most of the time The good guys are in the lead, Smackdown has 2 GMs, well kind of, Vicke, the evil one and Teddy Log, everyones puppet, good or bad.

I think the nearest character to Dixie's is Tiffany's as GM, The comparison seems odd but just hear me out.

Tifanny, eventhough is Face GM, has taken small decisions tha does not fit her, like allowing Regal to have some control over the brand, making the Homecoming tournament, giving Paul Burchill a second chance eventhough she knew who he was behind the Mask, She knows the brand is not really near Raw or Smackdown so she does the best she can to keep it above water.

McMahon, well, cannot just simply go and be the silent boss he once was, The same company and storyline has put him above it and eventhough that could change, that won't make it believable.

Same will happen to Dixie at some point if they put her into the storylines, she can't be always the silent one and has started to show that, Her character is the beginning stage of the character Vince had at the end of 1997, hopefully TNA turned into something positive and not a copy of what that character became.
 
Vince McMahon, even at 60 or whatever age he is, is still one of the most charismatic performers in wrestling, he doesn't need to tone anything down, if anything I would like to see a little more of his egomaniacal heel character, we only really see it once or twice a year now, other than that he is basically a toned down version of himself, appearing in random 2 minute backstage segments on Raw or Smackdown every now and then.

The Mr. McMahon character is classic, he can go months and months without appearing then randonly show up and get the biggest babyface pop of the night, then have the crowd booing him out the building 3 minutes later, who else in wrestling can elicit those kind of reactions?

I can't say I've seen much of Dixie Carter's on screen role, but on the 2 or 3 occasions I've seen her on TV she was awful, she had zero screen presence, no charisma, she looked nervous, she stumbled over her words, she brought no entertainment value and she was completely forgettable, in short she has no business having an on screen role if she's bringing nothing to the table.
 
This is exactly the opposite of what the WWE should do. How interesting would this Bret Hart/HBK/Vince thing be if McMahon wasn't acting like a douche? Dixie Carter, being a woman, couldn't pull off a believable evil boss storyline. It worked for Vickie because of her ties to Edge. It worked for Stephanie because of her ties to Vince and Hemsley. But Dixie Carter has no personalities that would make her seem like an bitchy ****e, so there is no need for her to be a bitchy ****e. WWE on the other hand has gold. You could literally take anyone from the roster, stick him/her with McMahon, and you'll have a believable heel. If it worked for those unstoppable, dominating beasts known as the Spirit Squad, then it could work for anyone. We need douchebag Vince so this Bret Hart thing can be interesting.
 
I don't think Vince should do anything. Least of those is to follow Dixie Carter. She isn't great, she's boring, uninteresting, and puts a damper on everything that was going smoothly. Yeah Vince should follow that. No Vince should do what he's been doing for the past 25 years. It has seem to work for that long. And before any of us came on to a site claiming he didn't know what he's was doing. Vince knows what he needs to do, and acting like Dixie isn't it. Sorry Sid
 
Dixie Carter annoys me. I don't like her segments or when she talks. That's not the point though; Vince should definitely stop acting like he's holier then thou and either abide by the PG rating or stop pushing it so heavily. He'll come out and say a few mediocre words that aren't PG, then condemn the superstars that follow him if they utter it. That bothers me. I'd like to see his approach as a more realistic boss like Dixie Carter's failing to put out. It'd be interesting to say the least and relieve me from seeing some 60+ year old man try to be 50 again.
 
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