More TNA Bullshit

[X]

I believe WCW used these tactics. You can hear all about it on the WWE produced DVD since they're not in business anymore.

Yes, because it was worked shoots that killed WCW. Clearly. That was obviously what befell them. Nothing to do with their finances, Ted Turner, AOL-Time Warner, nope, it was all because of worked shoots.

 

[klunderbunker]

And I will argue to the end of time that if the ratings hadn't tanked and they didn't lose 60 million dollars in a single year at one point, the show might have been kept. Just a hunch mind you.

 

[X]

And you think the show lost ratings because of worked shoots? Now I just have no idea what you're talking about anymore dude.

 

[klunderbunker]

what the hell are you even talking about here? Little pesky good looking heel champion is cheating his way barely out of every title defense, and the kindly old GM is trying to make things right. Its about as meat and potatoes as it gets man

Again, all fine. Just don't do the damn shot four days later and then do a damn reenactment of Montreal.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Well, we arent talking about WCW, we are talking about TNA. Cripes almighty "ZOMG SAME STUFF THAT KILLED WCW" dude, its been 3 fucking weeks You better be carefull, you might fuck around and pull a hamstring leaping to conclusions like that

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Again, all fine. Just don't do the damn shot four days later and then do a damn reenactment of Montreal.

they already did the damn shot, twice. All parts of the story, all chapters. Once again, nothing new, im really not even sure why im explaining this to you. You are baffling me right now.

Reenactment of montreal? Eh, dunno if thats were I wouldve went with it, but shit, I know it left me wanting to see next week.

 

[klunderbunker]

And you think the show lost ratings because of worked shoots? Now I just have no idea what you're talking about anymore dude.

Oh no no. Not what I'm saying.

What's i'm saying is that fans got tired of never actually getting either a successful conclusion, and of the faces constantly losing or getting screwed over, namely GOldberg and Sting. At times in wrestling, certain things are suposed to happen. Sting should have gone over clean, no question about it. After that, WCW managed to go from so far ahead to losing in a matter of months. Yes, WWF was closing the gap, but there was still a huge gap. Raw's ratings went way up and Nitro's went way down very quickly after that, as in the next two weeks. I know I stopped watching WCW primarily then.

Now yes, it's VERY early in Hogan's time in TNA and if I'm wrong I'll completely admit it. But I see far too many similarities to WCW that got them in trouble eventually.

 

[klunderbunker]

Reenactment of montreal? Eh, dunno if thats were I wouldve went with it, but shit, I know it left me wanting to see next week.

Me too. The show is damn exciting, but eventually they have to give us some meat.

 

[X]

WCW was fucked before the worked shoots like BATB 2000 though KB. If anything put the nail in the coffin it was Arquette as champion. The ratings plummeted over a full point when that happened and those ratings never came back. Shitty booking like that is what killed WCW, not worked shoots or making promises to the fans and not delivering (because every promotion on the earth has and will continue to do that).

Oh and how the hell was that a Montreal reenactment? Montreal was most definitely not the first time a champion got screwed by a heel and/or ref. Remember Dangerous Danny Davis brother?

 

[X]

Me too. The show is damn exciting, but eventually they have to give us some meat.

They HAVE. Dude TNA has been on fire for the last few months with their wrestling, We're barely three weeks into 2010 and we've already seen TWO matches that were easily **** if not more involving Styles and Angle. Not to mention the AWESOME series of matches we've seen the last few months with the Angle/Wolfe feud and the Styles/Daniels/Joe trio. I don't know what more you can ask from a wrestling promotion besides great WRESTLING dude.

 

[klunderbunker]

WCW was fucked before the worked shoots like BATB 2000 though KB. If anything put the nail in the coffin it was Arquette as champion. The ratings plummeted over a full point when that happened and those ratings never came back. Shitty booking like that is what killed WCW, not worked shoots or making promises to the fans and not delivering (because every promotion on the earth has and will continue to do that).

I think we got our wires crossed somewhere. I'm not arguing against this in the slightest.

I have always thought that WCW was fatally wounded at Starrcade 97. They never recovered from that and it was because of bad booking. And not just in the main event either. The thing is, I'm seeing far too many similarities to WCW from those times in TNA now and that worries me.

And that wasn't a Montreal reenactment? He spit on Hogan and said the other company's name. The referee was the same guy. How in the world wasn't that a Montreal reenactment? It's one of the most famous scenes in wrestling history and they did the exact same things. How is that not Montreal all over again (from a visual perspective. I know the backstage stuff is different. I'm not that far gone)

 

[klunderbunker]

They HAVE. Dude TNA has been on fire for the last few months with their wrestling, We're barely three weeks into 2010 and we've already seen TWO matches that were easily **** if not more involving Styles and Angle. Not to mention the AWESOME series of matches we've seen the last few months with the Angle/Wolfe feud and the Styles/Daniels/Joe trio. I don't know what more you can ask from a wrestling promotion besides great WRESTLING dude.

Again, not arguing this at all. Thing is though, that's all out the window now. Hogan taking over has changed it completely around and so far, I'm really worried as it's gone from awesome and based on great matches and in ring work to fast paced booking and far less actual matches. Angle and AJ are great indeed, but the rest of the card is more or less nonexistent with good matches. Note: I mean on TV, not PPV.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Didn't even notice the contradiction until you pointed it out. Shit - I've been worked!

 

[klunderbunker]

Which contradiction are you talking about Sam/

 

[a0161613]

So you are looking for more of a pay-off on TV? Without seeing Impact yet I cant criticise. However I can see your point. It sounded like the in ring action was massively outweighed by out of ring action (which didn't build too much.)

I need to see Impact.

 

[X]

But that's how TNA has ALWAYS been KB. If anything I'd argue their booking has been SO much better since around September of last year than ever before in company history. The great Sting-AJ Styles feud/mentorship was awesome, and so wasn't Styles going over everyone he's faced the last few months and having Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan call him the best wrestler on the planet. I mean, is it even physically possible to put over a young talent more than that? And now with Flair in his corner and AJ returning to his cocky heel ways (not the "Prince AJ" comedy kind of heel either, a serious one) and Sting watching in the rafters, things are only going to get better. Sting has made it clear to everyone backstage that the only reason he decided not to retire at the end of last year was because he wanted the chance to work with Flair again, because he says that he owes everything to the man. Now with Flair "corrupting" AJ, don't you think Sting is going to be pissed about Flair going and convincing his former mentee AJ to cheat to win? I'd bet my bottom dollar that's where TNA is heading right now, and I love the idea.

AJ Styles is like...the most put-over wrestler in the business today I have to say. Over the last few months he's been called the greatest wrestler and put over by the likes of Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Kurt Angle...that's an all-star cast of wrestling legends right there backing this kid up.

I don't love everything in TNA either. Like the Nastys being in the ring for any reason whatsoever. But the shit you're criticizing are all of the things that are good about TNA right now, and that's the main event scene and the Angle/Styles feud.

 

[klunderbunker]

So you are looking for more of a pay-off on TV? Without seeing Impact yet I cant criticise. However I can see your point. It sounded like the in ring action was massively outweighed by out of ring action (which didn't build too much.)

This, period.

Ok not period. There were 5 matches total on Impact and only AJ/Angle went longer than 5 minutes. In total there was less than 22 minutes of wrestling on a two hour show. That's what I mean by no meat.

 

[X]

Impact has always been segment-heavy. ECW used to and may still have more wrestling in their hour than TNA has in their 2 hours, I won't argue that. But it's TV, it's free and when you get tossed a four star classic like we saw with Angle and Styles on the 1/4 show you can't exactly complain. If it were a PPV I'd agree with you, but their PPVs (or at the very least the main events of the last few PPVs) have always delivered the goods.

 

[klunderbunker]

But that's how TNA has ALWAYS been KB. If anything I'd argue their booking has been SO much better since around September of last year than ever before in company history. The great Sting-AJ Styles feud/mentorship was awesome, and so wasn't Styles going over everyone he's faced the last few months and having Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan call him the best wrestler on the planet. I mean, is it even physically possible to put over a young talent more than that? And now with Flair in his corner and AJ returning to his cocky heel ways (not the "Prince AJ" comedy kind of heel either, a serious one) and Sting watching in the rafters, things are only going to get better. Sting has made it clear to everyone backstage that the only reason he decided not to retire at the end of last year was because he wanted the chance to work with Flair again, because he says that he owes everything to the man. Now with Flair "corrupting" AJ, don't you think Sting is going to be pissed about Flair going and convincing his former mentee AJ to cheat to win? I'd bet my bottom dollar that's where TNA is heading right now, and I love the idea.

From September to Jan 3, TNA was blowing WWE away as far as in ring stuff goes. Actually as far as anything goes. TNA was the fucking shit at that point. Since then though, it's fallen back to Earth. It's still very interesting and Impact is WAY more fun to watch than Raw, but now for a different reason. It's now about angles ad talkign instead of wrestling, and that has never once worked long term. There needs to be wrestling to back it up. The main thing I see wrong with Impact and TNA in general is there is too much going on at once. There are so many angles and stories going on that a lot of talent simply can't get on TV. Young, the midcard champion, has been on TV I believe once since 1/4 (could be wrong on that). Beer Money wasn't on TV and neither was Joe or Red or Daniels or Morely. Instead it was all about Hogan, Bischoff, Foley, Nash, Hall, Waltman, Angle and Styles. Other than AJ, all of those guys are well past their primes. Shouldn't the focus be on a combination of the two generations?

AJ Styles is like...the most put-over wrestler in the business today I have to say. Over the last few months he's been called the greatest wrestler and put over by the likes of Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Kurt Angle...that's an all-star cast of wrestling legends right there backing this kid up.

I'll say the same thing I've been saying: AJ was the best in the world before Hogan even signed with TNA. Why does he suddenly need their assistance in staying the best. Now before you freak, no I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying it's not really needed.

I don't love everything in TNA either. Like the Nastys being in the ring for any reason whatsoever.

I can breathe again.

But the shit you're criticizing are all of the things that are good about TNA right now, and that's the main event scene and the Angle/Styles feud.

Angle and Styles is indeed interesting. Tell me, what else is getting focus on the show other than them and the Band?

 

[klunderbunker]

Impact has always been segment-heavy. ECW used to and may still have more wrestling in their hour than TNA has in their 2 hours, I won't argue that. But it's TV, it's free and when you get tossed a four star classic like we saw with Angle and Styles on the 1/4 show you can't exactly complain. If it were a PPV I'd agree with you, but their PPVs (or at the very least the main events of the last few PPVs) have always delivered the goods.

And it's fine to be segment heavy, until you have a roster this big. Talking isn't going to keep these guys interesting forever. they have to actually do something in the ring that last more than 3 minutes.

 

[X]

This is why they need a second show, and not the recap show Epics either. 2 hours isn't enough with the huge roster they have right now.

 

[klunderbunker]

It could be, if they stopped having an hour of talkign a show.

 

[a0161613]

I agree, a second show is needed. I'd rather them use the two hour show effectively with matches and segments and use a second hour long broadcast to push the talent which is getting mis/underused at the moment.

Like the X Division champ and the Global champ?

 

[Dexter]

I still like the idea of giving the X-Division its own hour-long show.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah agreed on the second show, even for an hour. You acan easily fit five matches in an hour long show including commercials. ECW pulls off a 15 or so man roster and gets almost everyone at least some camera time in an hour a week.