Mick Jagger -- Re: The Deal

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You keep saying Sly put you in here for no reason. He had a reason, a very good one. He thinks you're a irritating, whiny little pussy that pisses him off. Pissing off the mods is against the rules. Dumb rule, in my opinion, it's too subjective, but that's not the point.The point is that since your incarceration, you have proven that he was correct and therefore, your lying, crybaby, ******ed ass will remain in here permanently. Enjoy your stay.
 
Might as well...

If you were actually going to do that, your post would have ended there.

Prove that you embody your name without proving it? That's the kind of sense I was expecting from you. Commonly known as nonsense.

I think you meant "your", & "fulfill" has more ls. Now, I have finished correcting you.

Correct me you did, except you do try to go on to correct me several other times. So...

Would be, was, & is.

You are the only person in this thread which isn't a ******ed lying crybaby troll? I'll let other people tussle with that one.

What I meant to say was what I said. What you meant to say was nothing.

If that is the case, when what you meant to say was wrong.

The idea you need them proven, & don't see the facts as obvious yourself, is why people call you ******ed.

Facts do not need to be proven to be facts, I agree. But this is the bit you are having trouble navigating. I'm not asking you to derive a mathematical function, I'm not asking that you prove the existence of God, I don't want you to set up a new economy for Thailand. What people are asking you to do is well within your means. Although the truth of the matter is, of course, beyond my alteration, you could very easily demonstrate that you were right and put all of this to rest.

More simply, if you wanted to prove to people that your case in the argument with Brain was the correct one, you could do it. The fact that you are desperately trying not to raises questions about the strength of your word.

You want irony? The fact that you think my statements need to be proven, or that you have proven anything.

I proved that you didn't understand irony. So did you. If nothing else, I've proven at least one thing. But yes, your stance on the validity of your statements is a very convenient and appropriate one. Statements don't need to be proven to be true. Is that because you can't shot them to be true any other way?

Perhaps not ironic, & certainly not true. Also, you clearly don't know the difference between speculation, lies, & truth. Otherwise, you would know my statements to be the latter, & yours to be outright lies.

Speculation, lies, and truth are not three separate ideas. Speculation's overlap is that is can be either true or false. And, in fact, it's my grasp on the concepts of truth and lies that has helped me to distinguish that you are full of shit. But, once again, I simply speculated that no moderator had green-repped you for anything you've said in quite some time, and especially not with example to anything you've said in this thread.

I don't know whether it's true or not, but based on knowing that no moderator here is an idiot, I would find it difficult to conceive of one finding anything to agree with in your limp-wristed words.

You can claim I am lying all you want. Unlike you, I will not claim you are lying in doing so; Simply claiming things as they are not in actuality.

Translation: I wouldn't call you a liar (even though I already have earlier on) but.... YOU A LIAR! Claiming things not as they are = lying. Don't think too hard man, you might have a seizure.

Making an offer that clearly requests a response (& perhaps even requires one) & then closing it before the person can respond leads me to believe he didn't want one.

That's an interpretation you've taken upon yourself. Only he would know if it's accurate.

Regardless, I have posted further for him to respond however he feels he should. Instead, I get plenty of responses from people who have no part/business in the offer, etc.

Just because you don't know what is required of you to exit this place, doesn't mean you aren't in the process of fulfilling that criteria as we speak. I doubt it, but you are the one being punished here, I would say you are working on his clock, not the other way around, I'm sure he'll respond when he cares enough to.

And I'm sorry if you don't like people talking about things other than the subject of this thread. But they are the rules of this forum, and people are allowed to come and go freely, deviating from the topic if they wish within a spam region. If you could have followed the rules, you'd be allowed the same luxury.

And I have.

Once again, you are working on his clock. He is in the position of power and you are in a poor position because you broke the rules of the forum. He doesn't need to respond at all. But it stands to reason that even if he didn't respond, being a model poster would ensure the best chance of leaving here and as early as possible.This would entail thoughtful, logical posting with a more humble and reserved attitude to people.

The fact he placed me in here proves he will do things without justification or reason.

Or that you broke the rules...

He should be the one to start those, since I cannot make it happen ever.

I'm sure you could make your release happen without having to be told what to do to attain it.

I'll stop saying them when they stop being true.

You should probably stop saying them until you can prove them to be true. Un supported claims, no matter how true they may be, don't hold much value until you establish how true they actually are. Why do you have such an issue supporting your own statements? When I want to try to prove something to be the case, I'll find examples that support my argument, correlate them with probability, take into account other factors and then come out with an idea. With further study, that idea may be found to be true.

You just say things and expect people to believe them because you have said them. Who are you that is so knowledgeable a bastion of the truth, that you need never to have evidence for a claim that you make? Nobody could boast that accolade, especially not you.

You mean the very-warranted acting like things are as they are?!

No, literally what I said.

1] Sticking to what I know leaves me too much to properly respond to a lot of what people post in this thread.

You might want to re-word this as at the present, it's nonsensical.

2] I proofread a lot of what I post, as well as the responses (yours included).

I have made the odd mistake, quite uncharacteristic. It's good advice regardless.

I don't get called "special" much at all, but am certainly different than the majority here.

I wouldn't take that as quite so favourable an accomplishment as you'd like. The majority of people here joke, discuss and get along with one another well without breaking any pre-determined rules. Is this the sort of demographic you;d like to exclude yourself from?

It is not far at all from the truth... It is the truth....

You don't even have to be totally conceited and delusional to realize you aren't the smartest member who's ever patrolled these forums.

But I am not your friend.

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You claim all this after claiming to be correcting me & saying several other things yourself that require responses.

Nothing I say requires a response. You can choose to continue this charade or discontinue it. My point is, either route shows you backing up on one of the claims you have made, becoming yet another source of your falsities.

Either way, you have lied & I have not.

Apart from yourself, who do you think you are convincing? I suppose you don't really care, all you need is your self-belief to ensure you don't have a psychological breakdown. But in truth, you have been proven to lie many times in the space of this thread, not least of them that statement.

You have posted largely to correct me, & I am simply returning the favor.

Where? Could you warn me when you start?
 
You keep saying Sly put you in here for no reason. He had a reason, a very good one. He thinks you're a irritating, whiny little pussy that pisses him off. Pissing off the mods is against the rules. Dumb rule, in my opinion, it's too subjective, but that's not the point.The point is that since your incarceration, you have proven that he was correct and therefore, your lying, crybaby, ******ed ass will remain in here permanently. Enjoy your stay.

He doesn't think at all. Also, he knows I piss him off, & that is stating a fact, n ot being subjective. The only problem with that is the idea he matters to anyone outside of these forums.
 
Prove that you embody your name without proving it?

I didn't ask anyone to do any such thing.

Correct me you did, except you do try to go on to correct me several other times. So...

I am one of the few here (perhaps the only one) that regularly tries to do things successfully.

You are the only person in this thread which isn't a ******ed lying crybaby troll? I'll let other people tussle with that one.

Only ******s would even try to tussle with proven facts.

If that is the case, when what you meant to say was wrong./quote]

That is not the case. What I meant to say is what I said, & is correct. What you then said about what I said is wrong. (Also, "when what I meant to say..." did what?)

Facts do not need to be proven to be facts, I agree. But this is the bit you are having trouble navigating. I'm not asking you to derive a mathematical function, I'm not asking that you prove the existence of God, I don't want you to set up a new economy for Thailand. What people are asking you to do is well within your means. Although the truth of the matter is, of course, beyond my alteration, you could very easily demonstrate that you were right and put all of this to rest.

More simply, if you wanted to prove to people that your case in the argument with Brain was the correct one, you could do it. The fact that you are desperately trying not to raises questions about the strength of your word.

I am not having trouble navigating anything. I am also not trying to go without proving my statement to be correct.

Here is what you are having trouble navigating: We seem to agree that facts can be facts without a proving statement, yet you seem to then be asking me to prove something I never stated to be factual.

I proved that you didn't understand irony. So did you. If nothing else, I've proven at least one thing.

Neither of us have proven that, & we never will... Any more than anyone here will prove Stones' lyrics belong to Tom Petty.

But yes, your stance on the validity of your statements is a very convenient and appropriate one.

My stance on the validity of my statements is far better than that of many who have made statements in this thread on theirs.

Statements don't need to be proven to be true. Is that because you can't shot them to be true any other way?

"Statements don't need to be proven to be true", but if they are easily disproven, they are clearly untrue. Also, I have never held a gun, so no need to discuss my shooting anything.

Speculation's overlap is that is can be either true or false.

"...is that is..."? That is not a complete sentence... One of many ways you have avoided posting truth in this thread.

And, in fact, it's my grasp on the concepts of truth and lies that has helped me to distinguish that you are full of shit. But, once again, I simply speculated that no moderator had green-repped you for anything you've said in quite some time, and especially not with example to anything you've said in this thread.

I'd check your ability to distinguish anything, especially since we have both proven your so-called "grasp" on such things is full of problems.

I don't know whether it's true or not, but based on knowing that no moderator here is an idiot, I would find it difficult to conceive of one finding anything to agree with in your limp-wristed words.

I would agree if you knew no Mods here were idiots. However, that has been disproven many times by the Mods themselves, so we can forget about that idea.

Translation: I wouldn't call you a liar (even though I already have earlier on) but.... YOU A LIAR! Claiming things not as they are = lying. Don't think too hard man, you might have a seizure.

YOU A SEIZURE! Did I leave the forums & enter a ghetto? Can you buy a verb next time?

That's an interpretation you've taken upon yourself. Only he would know if it's accurate.

Then let him tell me or not, & don't waste the little time you do to post here again.

Just because you don't know what is required of you to exit this place, doesn't mean you aren't in the process of fulfilling that criteria as we speak.

I would agree, if not for the fact that the same person who put me here said my release would never happen.

And I'm sorry if you don't like people talking about things other than the subject of this thread. But they are the rules of this forum, and people are allowed to come and go freely, deviating from the topic if they wish within a spam region. If you could have followed the rules, you'd be allowed the same luxury.

I followed the rules that were clear. It has already been stated that my violation was simply a subjective opinion.

Once again, you are working on his clock. He is in the position of power and you are in a poor position because you broke the rules of the forum. He doesn't need to respond at all. But it stands to reason that even if he didn't respond, being a model poster would ensure the best chance of leaving here and as early as possible.This would entail thoughtful, logical posting with a more humble and reserved attitude to people.

I didn't break any rules that were clearly stated in a non-subjective manner. Also, he has already said I won't get out, so there is no clock. Lastly, much the way posts don't count in this area, it seems to matter not how I say anything or what I say here, as it has no effect on my release.

Or that you broke the rules...

That has yet to be proven as anything more than opinion.

I'm sure you could make your release happen without having to be told what to do to attain it.

Being that I was told it would never happen, nothing I do will surely attain it.

You should probably stop saying them until you can prove them to be true.

Much the way we agree facts need not be proven to be true, not showing the proof myself doesn't mean it does not exist. I can read & post in limited areas on these forums. Others can read & post in many more, so they can find the same ones I can, & perhaps (probably) more.

Why do you have such an issue supporting your own statements?

I have no such issue. I know the proof to exist, & have stated that it does. If others want to find it, they can do the searching. I thought we already agreed there need not be shown proof for statements to be facts.

You just say things and expect people to believe them because you have said them. Who are you that is so knowledgeable a bastion of the truth, that you need never to have evidence for a claim that you make? Nobody could boast that accolade, especially not you.

You say this despite the fact that in the same post & seemingly to me, you have already agreed with me things need not be proven to be facts.

No, literally what I said.

Which refers to something that never happened/existed.

You might want to re-word this as at the present, it's nonsensical.

You might want to re-read it.

I have made the odd mistake, quite uncharacteristic. It's good advice regardless.

It may be good advice, but not to me. (Also, your mistakes don't seem all that "odd" or "uncharacteristic".)

I wouldn't take that as quite so favourable an accomplishment as you'd like. The majority of people here joke, discuss and get along with one another well without breaking any pre-determined rules. Is this the sort of demographic you;d like to exclude yourself from?

Not in the least... I did all of those things as well; I simply (proverbially) ran into someone in power who felt in their opinion I did something wrong. As this was a person in power, I was placed here, & many others pretended to share the same opinion.

You don't even have to be totally conceited and delusional to realize you aren't the smartest member who's ever patrolled these forums.

No, but the fact I realize that may be one of many things that proves me to not be ******ed. (Even if I am not the smartest ever, it seems I am the smartest to post in this thread.)


That's cute... Almost as much as your attempts at stating facts & using correct spelling & grammar.

Nothing I say requires a response. You can choose to continue this charade or discontinue it. My point is, either route shows you backing up on one of the claims you have made, becoming yet another source of your falsities.

As I believe I said before, many of lower intelligence (such as yourself) would wait some time for a response, & getting none, would feel (& perhaps state here) that I was admitting they were correct & the victors in this exchange.

Also, it appears you (like others) are saying I claimed some things to be facts that I never did.

Apart from yourself, who do you think you are convincing? I suppose you don't really care, all you need is your self-belief to ensure you don't have a psychological breakdown. But in truth, you have been proven to lie many times in the space of this thread, not least of them that statement.

As has been stated before, I appreciate irony, such as the fact I have not been proven to lie much if at all, which leads to much of that very statement to be proven false.

Where? Could you warn me when you start?

I started long ago... Simply never post again, or the job may never end.
 
1] I wouldn't have claimed they exist if I didn't see them. (SEVERAL, in fact.) You need proof they're there?! YOU find them!

2] Ban "this idiot" the second you prove yourself to be less of an idiot than you seem to think I am (which will just never happen).

1] you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove it, not me


2] Let's go to a quick poll, who thinks you are smarter than me?
 
1] you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove it, not me


2] Let's go to a quick poll, who thinks you are smarter than me?

1] I know they exist, so I don't need to have it proven. You are the one who claims to need proof one way or the other.

2] I thought the majority of this (me being in Prison, etc.) was more about facts than opinions... So let's not worry about who thinks anything at all, & you can just be curious how many know I'm smarter than you (like that reakky sets the bar very high at all).
 
Why are you acting like you're Nelson Mandella and you're this sort of freedom fighter locked up because there is some conspiracy by ''the system" to hold you down, everyone is a liar everyone is out to get you if that was the case where is your evidence. You have none.

I've been warned,infracted,banned for two weeks, banned for a month and I took my punishment on the chin. If you think these guys are harsh go to the main page disagree with Paglino and get banned without warning. These guys are at least fair they will tell you what you need to do to get back.
 
I never said Sly or Nate or any other Mod on these forums ban without warning I was talking about Nick Paglino who bans without warning. Thank your lucky stars he does not control the forums. A warning or infraction is fair. And then to tell you what you where warned about is even more fair.
 
I never said Sly or Nate or any other Mod on these forums ban without warning I was talking about Nick Paglino who bans without warning. Thank your lucky stars he does not control the forums. A warning or infraction is fair. And then to tell you what you where warned about is even more fair.

So we'll agree Nick bans without warning. We'll also agree those other things are fair, but that those facts don't matter since Sly does neither.
 
So, a few questions (rhetorical or not):
I told you all you needed to know. But since I'm bored, sure, I'll answer.

1] How am I supposed to trust that?
Because it's the only way for you to get what you want. You want to get out of the Prison, or at the very least, get a name change. The only possibility you have to "get what you want" is by trusting that. The way I see it, you have nothing to lose and a name change to gain.

Honestly? I don't give a flying fuck if you trust me or not. I truly could not care less if you trust me on this. However, it's clear to me, after reading this thread, you have not impressed upon me in any way that you're attempting to become a contributing member of this forum, and as such, you are no closer to getting out. From blatant and outright lying to Brain, to your charges Brain has no integrity and all the way to your lying about how you never received either a Warning or Infraction from me (which I will prove false in a moment), I am still convinced you are only here to troll.

So you are no closer to being released now than you were before, because, as I said, you've done nothing I suggested you do in the last thread I closed which bears my name. I'm sure you'll feel the need to create a new thread, act all offended and insinuate I went back on my word, but it's pretty clear from just about every response in this thread not coming from you that everyone here knows what you are.

In conclusion, I don't give a rat's ass if you trust me or not, if you want out, you'll do as I say. So far, I haven't been at all swayed that you've even tried to do as I said.

2] I don't honestly see a way to change how I am posting, or what good it would do if I did. You thought I was posting like a troll, & I believed then (& still do) that I never was. I could change the way I am posting, but to do so would mean (to me) I'd then be posting like a troll, as it would be different than I was before. Regardless, even if my future posts were to be not like those of a troll, & the majority of the members agreed they were not, it would matter not, since you & few others (if any) have the ability to release me. Even if you also were to agree I was no longer psoting like a troll, you could deny it, & keep me in here regardless.
That's not a question. For someone who constantly misspells words (like psoting, for example) and doesn't seem to understand the difference between a question and a statement, I find it rather humorous when you criticize other people in this thread for their spelling and grammar. Pot, meet kettle.

So we'll agree Nick bans without warning. We'll also agree those other things are fair, but that those facts don't matter since Sly does neither.

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Proof of your lying...again.
 
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