**MERGED** Fandango Discussion (Keep it in here!!!!)

You know I would've put my money down to the crowd chanting "Faaaa ***** ottttt".
But they surprised me. Man that Raw was killer and it doesn't matter sometimes how you are 'supposed' to cheer and boo. It does when they play a 'Make-A-Wish' vid featuring Cena though. But this is fun. I mean the pop D.Bry got at Mania was beautiful. It was an amazing sight to see like 80,000 people raise their hands and chant YES YES!

I hope Fandango doesn't acknowledge it and that will just make people do it more. WWE fans are like jilted lovers who don't know when to quit. Lovin' it. I'd sing along if I was there.
 
They weren't booing Make a Wish, they were booing Cena. He is unfortunately the predominantly featured star in its promotions even though many of the wrestlers, even heels, participate as well. I'm sure they're not booing terminally ill children.
 
Fandango will have a decent career. I think that with a solid gimmick and being good in the ring means he has to. You make a comparison with Ziggler but many people rise from the bottom to the top. I don't know if Fandango will be a world champ. He might be but only time will tell.
 
If this was 1987, the live audience would be booing the snot out of this guy left & right.

You're right; things really have changed. Today, they boo John Cena and cheer Fandango. Go figure.

Johnny Curtis' gimmick is fun.....for now. I don't think it's intended as a long-term incarnation for him. Stuff like this has an extremely limited shelf life and WWE hopefully will be smart enough to recognize when it's run it's course.

I'm a little disappointed in Curtis' ring work......the little of it we've seen. He seems a bit sloppy and did better work on Superstars than what we've been treated to so far. Especially working with a consummate pro like Chris Jericho, you would think Fandango's ring repertoire would be smoother. For gosh sakes, I think John Cena's Flying Ass Splat Off the Top Rope looks smoother than Fandango's.

Still, this gimmick is something new and enjoyable.....for the time being. When his dancing girl (who has yet to be named) starts getting physically involved, we'll know it's time for a change.
 
You're right; things really have changed. Today, they boo John Cena and cheer Fandango. Go figure.

Johnny Curtis' gimmick is fun.....for now. I don't think it's intended as a long-term incarnation for him. Stuff like this has an extremely limited shelf life and WWE hopefully will be smart enough to recognize when it's run it's course.

I'm a little disappointed in Curtis' ring work......the little of it we've seen. He seems a bit sloppy and did better work on Superstars than what we've been treated to so far. Especially working with a consummate pro like Chris Jericho, you would think Fandango's ring repertoire would be smoother. For gosh sakes, I think John Cena's Flying Ass Splat Off the Top Rope looks smoother than Fandango's.

Still, this gimmick is something new and enjoyable.....for the time being. When his dancing girl (who has yet to be named) starts getting physically involved, we'll know it's time for a change.

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THAT'S JOHNNY CURTIS?!

Wait ye it is! F*ck my mind just got blown! Anyway his mannerisms in the ring and his whole demeanour just carry his character perfectly. He isn't half-assing it and in fact, his character is extremely goofy. Gotta give him points for going all out. Plus, I wish we saw more of him at Mania, as in wrestle. His agility is something that has me mildly intrigued.
 
Just like "Yes" and "No" replaced the "What" chants... I think Fandango having his theme hummed by fans might become either the new "You Suck" chant, or Fandango might be seeing a quick face turn. Either way, I'm okay with the outcome. Fandango has proven to be pretty well in the ring, and his gimmick is getting over. I've been impressed with this guy since I finally saw his arrival on WWE and I have to say that it was worth the wait.
 
wrong, he first debutted as Kerwin White(Chavo Guerrero's) caddie, until the crap gimmick was dropped

I had said "as Dolph Ziggler" as opposed to "when Nick Nemeth first debuted in WWE", that he is talking about the evolution of the specific character.

I am fully aware of that crappy gimmick, and have no problem with being wrong when wrong, but I made it clear that I (and the thread starter that I was referring to) was talking about the Dolph Ziggler moniker, not the existence of Nick Nemeth on the main roster as a whole. Nick Nemeth, the man behind the Dolph Ziggler character debuted as the caddy (also named Nick Nemeth). Then he went then went to OVW, then came to the main roster as Nicky and THEN debuted as the Dolph Ziggler character in 2008.

Since he played a different character as the caddy. how in your opinion is wrong? There is a difference between a wrestler changing gimmicks and a specific gimmick evolving into something else. Isaac Yankem didn't evolve into Kane for example, but Glen Jacobs did change his gimmicks.


To be a little more on topic, does anyone know what Curtis's original (post nxt) gimmick...the one prior to this one was supposed to be? I know about the puns, but did he have an actual character beyond that. I wasn't able to watch as much during that time.
 
Why do I see Art Metrano/Jesus on Family Guy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvcpQSetMgI) when I hear that theme being sung by the fans?

It is what it is, just as the Funkasaurus got over 2 years ago and Tensai last year, Fandaaango is this years "guilty pleasure". He isn't over as such yet, but he's been accepted and that is an important part of it, the fans haven't shit all over the gimmick as expected when the vignettes began and last night they came very close to a double turn with Jericho's attack... Pre-Mania I called that attack but in reverse, with Fandango taking Jericho out...

At worst he hasn't bombed as many thought, he got through Mania relatively unscathed although I think Jericho's reputation for turning shit into gold cursed the match. I can see Jericho or Fandango beating Cesaro very soon for the US title to continue to build the character. Remember it isn't chance he is with Y2J... Jericho was on Dancing with the Stars and now FD has a "dancer" I could easily see a one off appearance from Stacy Keibler to "partner" Jericho.
 
Johnny Curtis is a very creative dude and I think he's definitely making the most of this. People with over the top gimmicks have had very successful careers and not been world champs. Honkey Tonk Man and Goldust are two that come to mind. I think Fandango can stick for a while as a high mid card wrestler and maybe CHALLENGE for a world title. If that's the arc his career goes, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.
 
I personally think Fandango is hilarious and the crowd chanting his theme song last night was awesome. This kid seems like he's got something here, but time will tell if he truly gets over. Still, I'd rather see him then anything involving Santino, Swoggle, Khali, Ryder, or R-Truth (though that's not saying much).
 
Johnny Curtis is a very creative dude and I think he's definitely making the most of this. People with over the top gimmicks have had very successful careers and not been world champs. Honkey Tonk Man and Goldust are two that come to mind. I think Fandango can stick for a while as a high mid card wrestler and maybe CHALLENGE for a world title. If that's the arc his career goes, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.

To me, Golddust is the perfect comparison for Fandango. Both had the feminine element to their characters while doing things that are distasteful to get the fans to boo them. But they'll still get pops when they do outrageous things because it's funny and entertaining.

Can this gimmick last... possibly. Will it ever be world championship material? Not in its current incarnation, but it's too early to worry about that. He's got plenty of time to get over with the crowd. I just want to see him wrestle a 15-20 minute match and see how he handles it. That will decide how long a career he possibly has.

Keep the crowd entertained while performing in the ring. That's the job of all these wrestlers.
 
The comparisons to past people are good ones, but the thing to ponder is whether or not over the top gimmicks will be long lasting in the current WWE environment, which is the one that people like Fandango are. I think that they can be because a lot of fans probably would prefer characters that have something to make them stand out. Someone like Fandango, who I didn't expect to like, does stand out, for now at least.
 
The comparisons to past people are good ones, but the thing to ponder is whether or not over the top gimmicks will be long lasting in the current WWE environment, which is the one that people like Fandango are. I think that they can be because a lot of fans probably would prefer characters that have something to make them stand out. Someone like Fandango, who I didn't expect to like, does stand out, for now at least.

There are many types of standing out. He stands up in the obvious way. Hell, WWE tries to make him stand out too hard. The entrance, the glitter, the pyro. That's not always a good thing but it works for him, for now.

If Fandango is to be a fad and someone to be around in the mid-card then fine. Have him around. But Main Event or anything serious? Not a chance.

Fandango can't be taken seriously. Yes, he beat Jericho but regardless he doesn't seem like a force to be reckoned with, in the ring. Yes, the entrance is flashy and it takes longer than most of his matches. What else you got?

Where are the good promos? Where are the good matches? Does this dude have anything but an entrance?

That's my issue with him. Dance around and act as feminine as you want. HBK did it and it worked for him. The difference is that once the bell rang HBK kicked all sorts of ass and him being flashy was a nuance, not THE defining characteristic about him.

HBK was flashy because he was GREAT. Take away HBK's entrance and you still have HBK.

Fandango is flashy because if it wasn't for that entrance and the hype put on him, this dude would get a Kofi Kingston reaction out of that NJ crowd.

When the people are humming your theme and not chanting your name, you know you fucked up somewhere. I've said this before - lipstick on a pig. That's all it is.

Fandango, Clay, Tensai, Ryder, pick one.

For the record, it was fun seeing the crowd react to him. He is fun in a way. But calling him great, a cult hero and amazing? Please, know his role (thanks Rocky!). Comparisons to Goldust were made as if Goldust was the Undertaker. Goldust is a joke. He always has been. Not because he's talentless, but because that's his position on the card, to be a joke. They all have their moments of glory just like 2 Cool did, but in the end this is yet another whacky character added to the likes of Al Snow, Goldust, Perry Saturn (in his moppy days) and numerous more.

Dude's an entertainer, not a wrestler. Entertainers have an expiration date, great wrestlers do not.
 
Fandango's funny, and I hope he sticks around. He could even move into a little bit more serious role eventually, rather than a Santino role...but for now, I think he's doing just fine.
 
Obviously he is going to be red hot for awhile, and WWE better capitalize on this! They did last year with how hot the crowd was for D-Bry and it paid off big time with a great feud with Punk and then a great feud into tag team with Kane. D-Bry road it until fall and was one of the bigger superstars over the past year.

Now saying that I don't think Fandango will be going for a world title anytime soon, but I definitely could see him going for midcard title, though I'm not sure when he will get that chance since we have two heels as champions at the moment. Sure they could attempt to turn him face but the whole fun in singing his song is to just kinda have a comedy gimmick and go with that seeing where he could go. Hopefully they won't flop on this opportunity like they did with Ryder, but considering that McMahon is very behind this character I don't see that being a problem, I just see this as a possible going to far too quick with the guy and he simply won't be taken seriously when he should be.
 
He's been on TV for about a month, give this guy a chance to breathe. Everybody just needs to stop complaining and enjoy the ride. I didn't like him at first, but he's entertaining. I can't wait to hum that song when I go to Payback now. I don't see him becoming a world champion with this gimmick. I think he would make a great IC champion as Faaaahhhhh-nnnn-dannggoooo. Then eventually drop this dancing shtick and become a serious character.
 
To say that the crowd was chanting his theme song as a way of insulting him or being disrespectful is so ridiculous. Crowd popped HARD when he slammed Kofi down by his hair. And when he dodged the lockup to do a little dance. The crowd was wild last night and cheered for basically every heel so whether other crowds do it we will have to wait and see. As a huge fan of Johnny Curtis and Fandango I'm excited to see where this will go regardless. Just enjoy it for god's sake.
 
Fahnnn Dahnn Go is an interesting character to say the least. As JH said if this was 15 years ago we be booing the hell out of this guy. Yet we cheer him? His character for now is fun to cheer for but this is short term as this will surely burn out quickly. Poor Cena gets boooed left and right! Im not too sure on where Johnny Curtis is going.

Sure he needs some in ring work but he wasnt as sloppy as i would think. But I give him this much he is making the most out of this opportunity!
 
I was gettting impatient, but the buildup has been slow and methodical which is good. I don't think his match with Y2J was great, but it was a pretty good debut and a lot of pressure with it being Wrestlemania and all. I can say this. I was at AXXESS on Saturday night and he had a huge amount of fans waiting to meet and get his autograph. I had to choose between he and Tyson Kidd. Maybe next year, I'll get Fandango. Hopefully he's established himself and will be working toward some sort of gold heading into WM XXX.
 
It's a unique, fun gimmick. If the IWC had its way, every wrestler would be the cocky asshole who is a legit badass so he's still a tweener and not a heel even though he's bad. It'd be boring. Most ideas on here are uber predictable and boring. Or just so riddled with fan hood it only appeals to a niche.

Fandango, Santino, and Brodus all have one thing in common. They're over. If you're over, you have a job. If you're over, people care. How long will fandango last? That depends on how good the guy playing him is.
 
The important thing to remember, is that dance shows be it Strictly Come Dancing or DWTS are massive ratings winners in themselves and celebrities fight to get on those shows so there is a lot of "mainstream appeal" in those shows. Both Jericho and Stacy Keibler have appeared on DWTS, and I have never heard one wrestling fan shit on them or call them gay for doing so.

All Vince has done is reversed it and used the gimmick for a wrestler and it has taken off... The logical thing is to go full tilt... get the guy proper dance lessons if he hasn't had them already, get him onto DWTS or Strictly here in the UK.

The UK chart stuff for the theme isn't a shock as we don't have the US system with charts for each genre being as important... we just have the top 40 which is inherently dominated by Simon Cowell/Jay Z produced crap or Adele and the system can be manipulated enough that in honor of our former leader, those who hated her have a good shot of getting "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" to the top 3 this week... Fandango may well get a mention but only to highlight how broken that system is and to deflect from the negativity. I wouldn't mark out to hear it on Radio One but would be very happy to hear Jim Johnstone's name... if this doesn't get him HOF status nothing will but why not send Fandango over to the UK next week for the chart show if it does chart? Get him on TV here too, it can only help the WWE and it's goal of mainstream acceptance.

From Johnny Curtis' perspective he has what Vince promised him...a hell of an opportunity, if he can miss the recent curse of DUI's, fan twatting and wellness violations that seem to befall new stars then this could be the beginning of a very big career for him. Those slating the gimmick for being "gay" are missing the point, that this is the tamest gimmick but it has gotten over the most... Others like Goldust, Billy and Chuck, Mark Henry, Orlando Jordan, Rico, Adrian Adonis and even DX had far more homosexual connotations and got over less quickly. Fandango isn't controversial... he's playing a ballroom dancer, something celebrites line up to do on TV and people try to emulate... He's not chopping his crotch and telling people to suck it, picking up a transvestite, rubbing himself or marrying his tag partner...
 
Fandango will be around for a good while to come yet. FACT. He's pretty much just had his place on RAW secured - whether or not because it was mocking is another matter - but it's now the way it is.

What amazes me is the british crowd with this. We've decided, based on the chants, his theme song belongs in the UK top 40. In fact...we've decided that in the itunes chart, Fandango's theme should be (at current time of writing) at number 16...I have no idea why, but it was worth noting.
 
I like Fandango because he's an actual CHARACTER, not just another generic heel. He's definitely charismatic and he had a solid outing in his first match with Jericho. It's obviously way too early to predict how well Fandango will ultimately do, but he's had a good start. However, if singing his music becomes a thing, then that definitely bodes well for him. If you have a fan interactive entrance, that's a really good way to stay over. Daniel Bryan's YES, R-Truth's WHATS UP, and Kurt Angle's YOU SUCK were all over like crazy.
 
I am honestly stunned on how this has really caught on. Credit to the New Jersey crowd for cementing Fandango as something that wont go away now and the fact his theme tune is currently number 11 in the UK itunes charts is just funny.
 
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ladies and gentlemen this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Fandango is going to take over the internet, there is no doubt in my mind.

and for the record
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