**Merged** All Cody Rhodes and His IC Title Discussion
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Rhodes just needs to be put with a catalyst. It wasn't JUST how awesome Punk's promos were, it was that he was against John Cena. It immediately turned up everything Punk did to 11. If Punk cuts that "shoot" on anyone else, does it have as much meaning? Probably not.
Rhodes is amazing. He is 100% in character all the time. That's why he's over. Yea he's good in the ring, yea he can talk, but he always LOOKS like a character. People buy into it. It's why he's over and Dibiase isn't. Rhodes is a lot like Orton. He has a specific way he talks, walks, has gestures, specific way he sells, specific way he does moves, etc. Everything fits into a character.
Pro wrestling isn't "8/10 on in ring ability, 6/10 on mic skills, 7/10 charisma" it's simply "do you look like like a character". Because if you do that, people believe you and it's easier to get over. However, to do this, you need to be good in the ring. By that I don't mean some dumbass IWC explanation of MOVEZ I mean you're confident and it feels natural. So instead of thinking "fuck am I supposed to do a hiptoss or an armdrag here" you think "hmmm, what would my character do?".
Rhodes should be World Champion within a year. He just needs a catalyst. I honestly wouldn' be surprised if he won the title at Mania against Orton.
Rhodes is amazing. He is 100% in character all the time. That's why he's over. Yea he's good in the ring, yea he can talk, but he always LOOKS like a character. People buy into it. It's why he's over and Dibiase isn't. Rhodes is a lot like Orton. He has a specific way he talks, walks, has gestures, specific way he sells, specific way he does moves, etc. Everything fits into a character.
Pro wrestling isn't "8/10 on in ring ability, 6/10 on mic skills, 7/10 charisma" it's simply "do you look like like a character". Because if you do that, people believe you and it's easier to get over. However, to do this, you need to be good in the ring. By that I don't mean some dumbass IWC explanation of MOVEZ I mean you're confident and it feels natural. So instead of thinking "fuck am I supposed to do a hiptoss or an armdrag here" you think "hmmm, what would my character do?".
Rhodes should be World Champion within a year. He just needs a catalyst. I honestly wouldn' be surprised if he won the title at Mania against Orton.
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I agree with you, but that's not exactly what I mean (I assume you're replying to me, not sure if anybody else mentioned Punk). I mean to say it will take a memorable moment for Cody Rhodes to take that step into super-stardom. And yes, it will most likely need to be a part of a big feud. You're right in saying that the Punk promo was successful because it was part of the Cena feud.
In my opinion, Codys "breakout moment" will need to be something psychological, bordering on super villain. Once more, yes, this moment can only succeed if it's part of a big feud with a John Cena or a Randy Orton.
RydoTheTruth
RydoTheTruth
What the WWE has done with Rhodes is great. Let's face it, he was going nowhere until he got the "disfigurement" storyline. The Intercontinental championship looks great around his waist, and hopefully eventually he will get the opportunity at the World title. I just hope that the WWE don't screw this up like they did with CM Punk's (BEST IN THE WORLD!) push.
Just wondering if it was only me but during the segment with Randy Orton and the paper bag the other night as Cody Rhodes came out of the ring he was acting very much like the original Mankind character.
What with the rumoured return of Mick Foley, does any once else see a potential angle?
Lets face it Mick Foley was always great at putting over talent and throw Randy Orton in to the story, wasn't Foley one of Orton's 'Legends' he killed back in the legend killer days?
Just a thought.
What with the rumoured return of Mick Foley, does any once else see a potential angle?
Lets face it Mick Foley was always great at putting over talent and throw Randy Orton in to the story, wasn't Foley one of Orton's 'Legends' he killed back in the legend killer days?
Just a thought.
The Future Rises
Thinking Of A New Name..
I remember during a Foley/WWE thread I tossed this feud idea around. I think it would be so entertaining and Foley can get the Mankind character back to put over Cody at a Wrestlemania or another big event like Summerslam.
But throw in Orton? Hell no. please, Orton wouldn't fit into the angle. Just let Foley put over Cody. Orton would only ruin the angle to be honest. And he's already a huge name why would he need to be involved with Foley again?
I really want to see this feud. A "Battle Of The Freaks" hardcore match at Wrestlemania would be great. This angle would write itself much like a Stone Cold/CM Punk feud.
But throw in Orton? Hell no. please, Orton wouldn't fit into the angle. Just let Foley put over Cody. Orton would only ruin the angle to be honest. And he's already a huge name why would he need to be involved with Foley again?
I really want to see this feud. A "Battle Of The Freaks" hardcore match at Wrestlemania would be great. This angle would write itself much like a Stone Cold/CM Punk feud.
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I would love it for Mick Foley to step back into the ring to put on some kind of match with Cody Rhodes. I think there is a lot there to build off of and Mick Foley is still a huge name in the WWE. Beating Foley in a hardcore style type match could do wonders for Rhodes' career. Randy Orton and Mick Foley put on one hell of a match that put Orton way over back in the days of Evolution, I think a feud with Rhodes could do the same. It could even be the final nail in the coffin at launching Cody into the World Heavyweight Championship title picture. Make this feud happen WWE; the positives outweight the negatives so it's defionitely worth the risk.
While putting Rhodes and Foley in a match is a great idea, I somehow disagree with it. Why? Because I think that WWE is just recycling Randy Orton's career and fitting it to Cody Rhodes.
They both went against their former stable.
Randy Orton on Evolution; Cody Rhodes on Legacy.
They both have an impressive reign as the Intercontinental Champion.
They both have this 'unstable' gimmick.
I believe it is unfair to shape Rhodes' career similar to Orton. He has a great potential.
They both went against their former stable.
Randy Orton on Evolution; Cody Rhodes on Legacy.
They both have an impressive reign as the Intercontinental Champion.
They both have this 'unstable' gimmick.
I believe it is unfair to shape Rhodes' career similar to Orton. He has a great potential.
Where I can obviously see some parallels, I don't think it's fair to say that WWE is remaking Orton's history for Rhodes. Orton never had anything comparable to the Dashing gimmick, and Cody's current gimmick is really nothing like Orton's unstable gimmick.
I think a Rhodes/Foley program could be amazing. As previously stated, Foley is great at putting young talent over. The war of words between these 2 leading up to their battle would be epic, and a brutal hardcore match with a hardcore legend could definitely give Cody that extra umph to push him over into true main event status. I am all for it.
I think a Rhodes/Foley program could be amazing. As previously stated, Foley is great at putting young talent over. The war of words between these 2 leading up to their battle would be epic, and a brutal hardcore match with a hardcore legend could definitely give Cody that extra umph to push him over into true main event status. I am all for it.
Sheamus' Suntan
A hound of justice
Miz_Mark...Well ACTUALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY. Hate to prove you wrong here but Orton has had both the dashing, and brleifly the undashing gimmick. Basically before Orton won his first world title, he was claiming he was the "best looking guy on the roster" and he would basically use his chiselled looks etc. He didn't play the gimmick greatly...but he did do it. He then went onto face Cactus Jack who claimed he would take those looks away from him.
He did so, taking the barbed wire bat to the forehead of Orton, giving Orton 9 stitches in his head. Orton played then a brief "ugly" gimmick before carrying on solely with his legend killer thing.
Rhodes is...a heavy mix. In my mind, he is very much Mankind, but with no other real personalities. He is deranged and that is that. He also has a bit of Orton in him. The thing with Rhodes is how WELL he plays his gimmick. He is phenomenal at it.
I would love to see Rhodes v Mankind and in all truth, if this happens, he WILL be following Orton's path. It's that simple.
He did so, taking the barbed wire bat to the forehead of Orton, giving Orton 9 stitches in his head. Orton played then a brief "ugly" gimmick before carrying on solely with his legend killer thing.
Rhodes is...a heavy mix. In my mind, he is very much Mankind, but with no other real personalities. He is deranged and that is that. He also has a bit of Orton in him. The thing with Rhodes is how WELL he plays his gimmick. He is phenomenal at it.
I would love to see Rhodes v Mankind and in all truth, if this happens, he WILL be following Orton's path. It's that simple.
Let me first say that I was a HUGE Mankind mark way back when. That probably influences how much I really like the direction Cody Rhodes has taken. A Mick Foley v. Cody program would be good. A MANKIND v. Cody program would be even better. Since Cody is playing somewhat more of a character than most other wrestlers, the Universe should have no problem accepting Mick Foley delving back into the Boiler Room for another go as the Deranged One.
I think a Rhodes/Mankind feud would be a good idea as well. I'm not a huge Foley fan, but Cody Rhodes should be a main-eventer soon and a hardcore match with Foley would definitely put him over. It's a great idea for one of the most anticipated Wrestlemanias in history. Also, a note to whomever is the next IC champ: keep the old school, white leather IC title. I mark out every time I see it!
though there is alot of potentualley great moment that can be made out of this i have a feeling there going to use mick foley for the gm of raw position in a non wrestling mode but it would be a great build up for wrestlemania 28... cody coming out and calling mick the ugliest most deserving person of a papper bag.... but i doubt it because i really think mick is going to end up as the gm and possibley even speacail guest ref for rock/cena..
Can Mick Foley even be successful in current WWE as a wrestler? What made him famous, and got him over are the things the WWE doesn't do anymore.
I see him coming back as an on screen personality. Smackdown could use a new GM. Teddy Long has gotten a little stale as SD GM.
I see him coming back as an on screen personality. Smackdown could use a new GM. Teddy Long has gotten a little stale as SD GM.
I don't want Foley getting involved in any feuds unless he cuts the occasional promo.
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of the old guard coming back so often. It seems like every other week a retired star returns and if they step into the ring they win. Bret Hart wins, HHH wins, HBK kicks half the roster in the chin last time he was around, hell Edge retired six months ago if not less and he's already been back twice. Now the attitude era fans just want to synch up new guard and old guard with Cena/Rock.
How about just putting Rhodes up against another legit superstar in a feud? This walkout angle may actually hurt him because he cannot showcase his skills in the ring as much or stand out from Christian, Ziggler, and Swagger. *stares at Daniel Bryan* that guy has a briefcase, skill, and he's not doing anything, how about those two get into a feud for something as opposed to trying to put every superstar into one program? I get the buildup for Survivor Series, and on Raw Rhodes can certainly be involved in this angle. But at least on Smackdown, give him something else to do...it's not like storylines aren't allowed to mix.
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of the old guard coming back so often. It seems like every other week a retired star returns and if they step into the ring they win. Bret Hart wins, HHH wins, HBK kicks half the roster in the chin last time he was around, hell Edge retired six months ago if not less and he's already been back twice. Now the attitude era fans just want to synch up new guard and old guard with Cena/Rock.
How about just putting Rhodes up against another legit superstar in a feud? This walkout angle may actually hurt him because he cannot showcase his skills in the ring as much or stand out from Christian, Ziggler, and Swagger. *stares at Daniel Bryan* that guy has a briefcase, skill, and he's not doing anything, how about those two get into a feud for something as opposed to trying to put every superstar into one program? I get the buildup for Survivor Series, and on Raw Rhodes can certainly be involved in this angle. But at least on Smackdown, give him something else to do...it's not like storylines aren't allowed to mix.
I think Rhodes is on the right track right now, he just needs a break away moment to cement himself in a main event spot. I think, for example, if Daniel Bryan were to stay face all the way till Wrestlemania, than having Rhodes win the Royal Rumble, win the the title before Wrestlemania, and have him square off then with Bryan would definitely be an amazing way to do that.
Foley would put over Rhodes quite well. It would be a good feud. If Foley goes back into his Mankind character to face Rhodes then the promos leading up to it would be absolutely insane, no pun intended. The match could be hardcore and Rhodes coming out on top after all is said and done with this feud would greatly benefit his push towards the top. I won't count on this feud happening but I'd like to see it happen if it can. Rhodes does remind me a little of Mankind lately. A small similarity is there.
cody rhodes fan
Waiting for a pipe bomb
Before the mask, Cody was just another generic prototype pretty boy, albeit without kneepads, but he wasn't likely to get anywhere.
The change of direction needed to happen, but that being said, he does not need to still be wearing the mask come Wrestlemania season.
A bona fide main eventer in waiting now, he needs legitimate "over" competition, to take him to the next level. A short program with Mick Foley or Booker T, and he will be ready to drop the IC Belt in search of the Big Gold one...
The change of direction needed to happen, but that being said, he does not need to still be wearing the mask come Wrestlemania season.
A bona fide main eventer in waiting now, he needs legitimate "over" competition, to take him to the next level. A short program with Mick Foley or Booker T, and he will be ready to drop the IC Belt in search of the Big Gold one...
If they let Rhodes run with the IC title and put himself in the spotlight, earn his way into the ME scene without being rushed into it because of politics or what-have-you (as much as I like Miz, he earned his way to the top through outside-of-the-ring pursuits). Let Rhodes build legitimacy on his own through his promos and his ring skills. Make the IC title important like it used to be back in the 80's.
He's young enough that you can keep that belt on him for a year or more, and let him work his way up without lugging the WHC belt around. That way, when he finally does get it, it will really mean something for both him and the title.
He's young enough that you can keep that belt on him for a year or more, and let him work his way up without lugging the WHC belt around. That way, when he finally does get it, it will really mean something for both him and the title.
CleverName51
Little Jimmy
If you want to make Rhodes legit, have him defeat Randy Orton...ALSO, have Orton talk about taking the IC title in this feud. It does 2 things...one Makes Rhodes a main event player, and 2, makes the IC title mean something
Moving forward, let Rhodes keep winning the IC belt...John Cena was a 3 time US champ, Rock held the IC belt twice, Jericho had 9 IC titles, Austin was a multi time mid card champion....let Rhodes feud several times over the IC belt.
For a group that complains about the writing hot shotting things...isn't it a tad bit hypocritical to want to hot shot Rhodes/Ryder/Ziggler right into the Main Event?
Moving forward, let Rhodes keep winning the IC belt...John Cena was a 3 time US champ, Rock held the IC belt twice, Jericho had 9 IC titles, Austin was a multi time mid card champion....let Rhodes feud several times over the IC belt.
For a group that complains about the writing hot shotting things...isn't it a tad bit hypocritical to want to hot shot Rhodes/Ryder/Ziggler right into the Main Event?
I'm digging Cody Rhodes right now the guy is a fresh talent especially with the mask and the disfigured gimmick he is gold definitely a mainstay for the future maineventers. Rhodes has age on his side, he has a bright future in the WWE I see him one day maybe far surpassing his fathers legacy. I wouldn't mind if he beats the honky tonk mans longest Intercontinental title reign record, because he sure as hell would make it interesting along with his awesome classic belt. I think eventually when he steps into the mainevent he won't need MITB, he will use the IC title as a stepping stone
CM Steel
A REAL American
When Cody Rhodes first came into the WWE he was in the single's ranks before getting paired with ring vet Bob "Hardcore" Holly. Where Cody Rhodes got ahold of his first peice of WWE gold, tag team gold with Holly. But awhile later at the night of champions pay per view. Cody Rhodes turned heel against his own tag team partner Hardcore Holly to join with Ted Dibiase.
Since Bob Holly has been released from the WWE. Cody Rhodes has somewhat adopted Holly's finisher the "Alabama Slam" in his single's matches. Like at Wrestlemania 26 in a triple threat match against the defunct Legacy faction. And Cody used the finisher again in his debut match on Smackdown.
Cody Rhodes current finisher is the "Cross Rhodes/Roads", a standing reverse neck-breaker. The same finisher that has been used in the past by former WWF/E superstars Carlito and Test (new era "Outsiders" to some). The Alabama Slam is a powerful finisher that can hold candle to a popular finisher. Like a RKO, a AA, or a Sitting powerbomb.
So should Cody Rhodes bring back the finisher once again? To add with his current gimmick?
Since Bob Holly has been released from the WWE. Cody Rhodes has somewhat adopted Holly's finisher the "Alabama Slam" in his single's matches. Like at Wrestlemania 26 in a triple threat match against the defunct Legacy faction. And Cody used the finisher again in his debut match on Smackdown.
Cody Rhodes current finisher is the "Cross Rhodes/Roads", a standing reverse neck-breaker. The same finisher that has been used in the past by former WWF/E superstars Carlito and Test (new era "Outsiders" to some). The Alabama Slam is a powerful finisher that can hold candle to a popular finisher. Like a RKO, a AA, or a Sitting powerbomb.
So should Cody Rhodes bring back the finisher once again? To add with his current gimmick?
He just uses it as a regular move in most of his matches, and I think it works fine that way. The Cross Roads is a great finisher, which is now associated with him by most people. It's got a unique name that fits Rhodes, and looks vicious. So the way I see it, no need to exchange it for his mentor's old finisher. I like that he has his own finisher, and the way he uses the Alabama Slam now, as a regular move. So as I see it, no need to exchange.
Cody using the Alabama Slam as a regular move is something that I just absolutely love about him. I love that subtle little throwback. It's such a classy attention to detail, I smile every time I see it. I think it really speaks to how much Cody pays attention to his character and his development. Using it as a regular move every now and then is great for me, I don't want it to be his finisher. Maybe he could stand to get a better finisher, I'll give you that, the Cross Rhodes isn't fantastic, but I don't think the Slam is the answer. I like it where it is now, as a subtle move that works into his regular moveset.
A lot of times you see wrestlers using moves from people they either admired or learned from to sort of pay tribute to them, Triple h is notorious for this as virtually every move of his is some form of appreciation for his idols. I kind of figured Cody Rhodes using the Alabama Slam was simply that, him paying homage to his early mentor Bob Holly. It's not really a move I care for, but I do like the idea of him using it for that purpose, if indeed that's what he meant in doing it.
