MCMG's: Who Will Be the Jannetty?

[jccool420]

Ok... I really dislike the idea of splitting up the Guns... What's the point?

You split up one of your best teams and what does that do to an already shallow tag division? Beer Money can't carry a whole division by themselves... They need to add more teams before they think about splitting up the Guns...

What's to stop them from being lost in the X Division? They barely even give the belt any TV time...

Anyway, they have been teasing a split...

Who will be the bigger star?

Will the split last?

Could they save the X Division?

I think Shelly may have a slight edge since he seems to be more charismatic than Sabin...

I really hope they hold off on a split until all this Immortal/They stuff dies down so they can give the fued the TV time they deserve...

Thoughts?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Neither, because even if they do split, both of them were already successful singles wreslters, and both have a history of winning championships. They'll feud momentarily and move on to having successful singles careers again before I'm sure they'd eventually be reunited as a team at some point in the future.

Why must this always happen? A tag team split is teased and automatically one of the two has to become Marty Jannetty?

 

[shattered dreams]

A Jannetty thread about a current tag team. How original!

Anyway, this might be shocking but not all tag-team breakups follow the same mold. As far as I am concerned most tag-teams breakup and both are Jannettys or even worse. There are very few Shawn Michaels and there is no way in hell every half decent tag-team has one. I look at the MCMG as more similar to the Hardyz or Edge and Christian. I'm with IDR, if they breakup I doubt it is permanent.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'll agree with IDR and say neither. Both are very talented.

That said, I think Shelley will end up having the more successful career of the two. Well, I hope he does. Sabin's promo skills have improved exponentially over the last couple of years. He's still not incredible but he's noticeably more confident than when the Guns first formed. He's also, obviously, very fun to watch in the ring. Great sideburns to boot.

I feel Shelley has always had very good promo skills, however. Very natural and fluid. Funny while not coming over as, like, horribly scripted. He also has something of a unique wrestling style. In comparison, Sabin is much more of a generic cruiserweight.

I'm not sure I trust TNA to push either of them to a considerable level, mind you.

 

[jccool420]

Didn't mean to get heat for the Jannetty mention...lol I just thought it would be a cool topic...

I just meant that maybe one had more potential to move up the card than the other...

Sabin, may have a slight edge in the ring but I'm not sure if he would ever be elevated beyond the X Division...

Shelly, with a slight repackage, maybe he could use his charisma more effectively and possibly have a chancwe to break out of the X Division label...

I'm sure Sabin would never be completely "Jannetty'd" but I think it would be harder to move him up the card than Shelly...

 

[It's Damn Real!]

A Jannetty thread about a current tag team. How original!

Anyway, this might be shocking but not all tag-team breakups follow the same mold. As far as I am concerned most tag-teams breakup and both are Jannettys or even worse. There are very few Shawn Michaels and there is no way in hell every half decent tag-team has one. I look at the MCMG as more similar to the Hardyz or Edge and Christian. I'm with IDR, if they breakup I doubt it is permanent.

That's actually a great point, too — how many teams in the past decade have spawned a talent as great as Michaels was? Hell, the only one I can even think who might come close (on paper) is Edge via Edge & Christian, but even he isn't as great as Shawn was. Harlem Heat and the Steiner Brothers would be the only other teams I could think of since they gave way to Booker T and Scott Steiner, but even Booker and Steiner couldn't hold a candle to the success of Michaels.

Frankly, like you noted, MCMG are a team most like the Hardyz or Edge & Christian — except MCMG were actually successful singles stars before they even tagged.

The only tag team in recent history (in TNA) that I can think of who split and actually had the Jannetty-syndrome affect the aftermath was America's Most Wanted, and that's simply because Chris Harris on his own was monotonous and boring.

 

[Vendetta487]

I hate debates like this. Why does there have to be a Jannetty in every tag team? That was one example. Most of the time when a very popular tag team splits up neither guy really does much because they both make each other look better while they are together. If these guys split I don't think either one will ever become a top star. They will both float around the midcard until their careers die down. They should probably just keep them together because it works and they are popular.

I think WWE is obsessed with the Jennetty syndrome. You will NOT get a future hall of famer every time you break up a pretty good tag team. What you get instead is two guys that get lost in the shuffle. I am a believer that some guys are just better off in a tag team. There is no way either of the Dudleys would have ever done shit on their own. I always thought they sucked but them as singles wrestlers spells disaster. I do not see SHelly or Saban developing into top stars.

 

[jccool420]

There are actually a few examples...

HArt Foundation... Bret became huge and Jim never became much of anything outside the team...

The stieners, Harlem Heat, E and C (like IDR mentioned)

The Hardys... Jeff was on pace to be more popular than Cena before he left WWE and Matt will never be as good...

But, I do agree that some teams just belong together...

 

[Blueshirt]

I think this is a great thread. Even though most people are disagreeing with your initial concept, it's still getting people to think and discuss, which is even more important.

Unfortunately, I agree with the multitude of posters so far and believe that neither will be the Jannetty...but that's because I don't think either of them will be the Michaels. TNA is already supposedly cutting off the X-Division, and, as far as I can remember, the whole reason for TNA putting the MCMG together is that TNA had nothing for them as individual competitors. These guys are amazing together, but much like the New Age Outlaws, their combined worth FAR outweighs their individual worth. I just don't see either surviving without each other.

 

[MOExecution]

I know through the years TNA have had a few misses... No, I will take that back they have had A LOT of misses through the years. But I believe the biggest miss that Total Nonstop Action could possibly have right now is splitting up the MotorCity Machine Guns. These guys are what a tag team is suppose to be! They are innovative and rarely have ANY bad matches. I was actually disappointed when they lost the TNA World Tag Team Championships against Beer Money Inc. I wasn't tired of them yet because they always brought in a breath of fresh air everytime they stepped inside the ring. You never know what you are going to get out of a MotorCity MachineGuns match all you know is that it will no doubt steal the show.

If TNA does ANYTHING they should not break up the MotorCity MachineGuns! These guys are in my opinion the true last sole survivors in Tag Team Professional Wrestling. So the question Who will be the Jenetty of the group? Neither of them should be the Jennetty of the group. They should be a tag team because right now they are the best thing going in TNA at the moment.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

First of all, The Guns need to split, and they need to split as soon as possible. I know, I know, they're a great tag-team, yada yada yada, I'm aware. But if there's EVER a time for them to split, it would be now, after they held the Tag-Titles and proved they're the best, otherwise, if they split a year from now it just won't matter because they'll be stale, they'll be Tag Champs again which won't mean squat since the special moment they had is long gone. It would be like Team 3D Splitting.

I know that bashing The Guns is like bashing Jesus, but let's face it - you can only watch The Guns/Beer Money and The Guns/Gen-Me so much. Honestly, as good as their matches with Beer Money are, I'm kind of sick of seeing it, even though the matches are entertaining. Time to move on.

The Guns have been together for .. what .. five years? It's time. Split them, choose who the faces and the heel will be, let them go singles.

Now to answer the OP's question ... I think it'll be Sabin. Sabin's a great wrestler, but he's just cheesy on the mic. I don't like his mic work and I highly doubt that he can carry a promo on his own. Sabin is X-Division bound, and a few runs with a mid-card title.

Alex Shelley on the other hand has the charisma, mic-skills, swagger and in-ring abilities to become the next AJ Styles/Samoa Joe in terms of starting in the X-Division and becoming a Main Eventer. Shelley has always struck me as TNA's Chris Jericho. Amazing in the ring, funny as hell on the mic, witty, snot-nosed and can also cut a serious promo if he had to. Shelley's just a total package, all he needs is some good booking, and to find his singles character and develop a personality.

And just to elaborate on my point, watch this promo they had together some months ago. See, Shelley has the "it", I don't remember anyone sounding like him, he's more passionate and the fans really got behind his back. Sabin on the other hand is decent, but that's about it, I've heard guys like that before and he's blah.

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Shelley all the way!

 

[cpac4]

I agree with MOExecution. Yet I also agree that if you were gonna break the MCMG's up now would be the best time. However, that doesnt make it a good idea. If anything TNA should take some of the X-Division stars (they arent using) and make them into tag teams! Cause while I truly do love the tag team division in TNA, they are still somewhat shallow in terms of the amount of teams they have (like someone posted the other day). I think TNA should RUN with the notion of "tag team wrestling". I'm talking like 3 or so matches every television program!!! I also think alot of those X-division guys could put on some great tag team matches. The smartest thing I PERSONALLY think they should do, is bring in Paul London, and tag him up with Brian Kendrick again! They arent doing anything with Kendrick anyways, except for making him look like a nut job, all the time. MY GOD, could you imagine the matches those guys would have with the MCMG'S??? It would be FRICKEN AWESOME!!! Now you could even add the Hardy boyz into that mix too, if you really wanted too! TNA should just totally run with tag team wrestling. I love watching the tag team matches they already put out there. Its actually crazy to think about how it could be even better! They have SO MANY of those fast athletic guys, and they could really put them to use by tagging them. I'm not talking about just throwing two independent personality's together either (like wwe). I'm talking about making these guys LEGITIMATELY themed tag teams. With gripping story lines BETWEEN the teams hatred for one another.

 

[MisterRob]

Why in the hell, everytime a tag team splits up, does someone have to make a thread referencing Marty f'cking Jannetty!? Seriously. Stop it. Neither of them is Marty Jannetty to begin with because they've both had success in TNA on their own before they became a tag team there. Plus, the reference is overdone.

As for TNA splitting up the team? It's just a bad idea no matter what way you look at it. There's no X Division for these two to really get involved in. The X Division is dead and TNA has proven over the past few years they have no concern for reinventing the division and improving it. Will that change with Shelley and Sabin as singles wrestlers now? I doubt it. But even, if we are optimistic about that scenario, then the X Division will be lifted up at the expense of the Tag Team Division. Because without the Motorcity Machine Guns the tag team division is shit. Beer Money, that's it. Ink Inc. suck and aren't a credible team, certainly not one I have any interest in watching. Generation ME aren't interesting, either, and they're heels. Who else is there? I have no interest in Eric Young and Orlando Jordan. They're horrible. London Brawling isn't around and who knows when Desmond Wolfe will actually be returning, if he is. So right now, without the Motorcity Machine Guns, TNA's tag team division is no better then WWE's. That's proof that the division was overated to begin with because you take out one team and it can't stand on its own any longer. It was a two team division.

I think TNA's making the same mistakes as WWE, and once Shelley and Sabin are on their own they're both going to be lost in the shuffle and left to do nothing in a singles roster far too convoluted and full already for them. This is just a bad decision from TNA, and they seem to do the opposite of smart everytime. It would be a little different, though, if TNA was actually planning to do something of value with Shelley and Sabin on their own, and they'd get rid of other useless talent or older talent to allow Shelley and Sabin a better spot to shine in. But, I don't see that happening at all. This is TNA.

That being said, Alex Shelley is CLEARLY the better of the two. Shelley has the whole package, always has, and he's been entirely underappreciated and underutilized for years in TNA. I loved his time with Kevin nash in Paparazzi Productions. He's a great wrestler, he has great charisma, and he's great on the mic. He may not look like a Heavyweight champion but he clearly has all the tools to be a singles star, and a much better one then Chris Sabin. Chris Sabin could get by on his own though to the degree he has in the past, but nothing further. Not unless they team him up with his real life girlfriend, the smoking hot Velvet Sky, and he gets over riding her coat tails.

 

[MisterRob]

First of all, The Guns need to split, and they need to split as soon as possible. I know, I know, they're a great tag-team, yada yada yada, I'm aware. But if there's EVER a time for them to split, it would be now, after they held the Tag-Titles and proved they're the best, otherwise, if they split a year from now it just won't matter because they'll be stale, they'll be Tag Champs again which won't mean squat since the special moment they had is long gone. It would be like Team 3D Splitting.

I know that bashing The Guns is like bashing Jesus, but let's face it - you can only watch The Guns/Beer Money and The Guns/Gen-Me so much. Honestly, as good as their matches with Beer Money are, I'm kind of sick of seeing it, even though the matches are entertaining. Time to move on.

The Guns have been together for .. what .. five years? It's time. Split them, choose who the faces and the heel will be, let them go singles.

Now to answer the OP's question ... I think it'll be Sabin. Sabin's a great wrestler, but he's just cheesy on the mic. I don't like his mic work and I highly doubt that he can carry a promo on his own. Sabin is X-Division bound, and a few runs with a mid-card title.

Alex Shelley on the other hand has the charisma, mic-skills, swagger and in-ring abilities to become the next AJ Styles/Samoa Joe in terms of starting in the X-Division and becoming a Main Eventer. Shelley has always struck me as TNA's Chris Jericho. Amazing in the ring, funny as hell on the mic, witty, snot-nosed and can also cut a serious promo if he had to. Shelley's just a total package, all he needs is some good booking, and to find his singles character and develop a personality.

And just to elaborate on my point, watch this promo they had together some months ago. See, Shelley has the "it", I don't remember anyone sounding like him, he's more passionate and the fans really got behind his back. Sabin on the other hand is decent, but that's about it, I've heard guys like that before and he's blah.

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Shelley all the way!

I agree with you entirely here about Shelley and Sabin. The video you showed actually shows two very important things. Firstly, it shows without a doubt how lacking Chris Sabin's skill on the mic is compared to the other three guys in the ring with him. You can clearly see the skill and potential Shelley, Desmond Wolfe and Magnus all have and how they really outshine Sabin in that promo.

Secondly, it really shows what's wrong with TNA. In TNA right now you have guys like Bubba Ray and Devon, Jeff Jarrett, Rob Van Dam, among others who are all being pushed in higher spotlights then younger guys like the four men in that video you showed. But imagine if those talents weren't holding those spots and were out of the picture and guys like Desmond Wolfe, Magnus, Shelley, even Robert Roode and James Storm were given the chance to shine as singles stars instead of being forced to vie their time proving their potential in tag teams? I think TNA would be far more interesting and fun to watch, and they'd be building the future of the company for years to come. And that's what TNA's doing wrong right now, I feel. I would love to see those young talents in feuds, cutting promos, wrestling matches, and developing characters over the Dudleys, Jarrett, Rob Van Dam, the Hardyz, Abyss, etc. The two sides don't even compare.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I don't think that the gulf in talent or composure is as great in case of the Guns as it was in the case of the HBK and Jannetty. Both are equally talented and well established singles wrestlers and I want both of them to do well.

I agree that Shelley has the better mic skills among the two. In the ring both of them are more or less equal. More importantly both are dedicated to pro wrestling in a way that Jannetty wasn't. So I cannot see either of their careers going astray.

 

[Greg4WWE]

if i remember correctly.. alot of Jannettys probs were self inflicted.. would he of had the career Shawn had? probably not.. but he would of had a pretty dang good solo career had he kept his nose clean.. Seems WWE gave him plenty of chances!

 

[cwill18]

To answer the question, if they split, most likely they will be like 95% of teams that get split up and they will BOTH be the "Jannety" in that they were once part of a really good tag team and once they split up it was all down hill from there.

Spliting good tag teams almost never works out

 

[nbrew2119]

If i had to pick between the two as far as who comes the "Jannetty" of the group, I would have to pick Shelley.

Both of them are too solid to become a "Jannetty", but, I just think that between the two, Sabin would have the better career, only because he won the X title like 4 or 5 times before they became a tag team.

But, to be honest, I think "if" they split, they will feud for a little bit, then, both will go on to have successful careers, whether it is in TNA, or ROH, or maybe even WWE

 

[Adiaphora]

Neither will be a Jannetty. I see them both falling back into the X Division, if split. This will help to strengthen a weak division. I think both Guns have equal shot at greatness.

 

[manstis1804]

TNA is actually thinking about breaking this team up? Oh well, I'm sure TNA fans will still brag about how TNA's tag division is so awesome, even though they'll be down to approximately 2 teams that are worth a shit. The Guns are the centerpiece of the division, and one of the few unfettered entertaining acts in the company, getting over on their own instead of being tied to Immortal and having Eric Bischoff and Ric Flair do all their talking for them. I'm barely interested in TNA at all anymore, and the Guns are one of the few things keeping me tuning in. If this leads to a successful babyface run for Shelley, a good TV title run perhaps, then it could be cool (though that would mean feuding with Abyss). But seriously...The Guns are one of the best tag teams in wrestling, they're something for TNA fans to feel good about when the company is in such a weird state. Breaking up them up is a HUGE mistake.

Actually, you know what? I'm gonna call it, Shelley replaces Styles in Fourtune.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

If by "the Jannetty" people are referring to who will be the loser if the Guns are broken up now, I'm gonna go left-field and say TNA. Yes people are complaining about seeing them repeatedly face the same teams just now, but to leap from that to breaking thing up doesn't seem like that wise a move right now. Are London Brawling coming back anytime soon out of interest?

It's interesting to me that it seems most people favour Shelley to come out of the team, if they split, with a bit more success. Yet when they started, Sabin was arguably one of TNA's most valuable commodities due to the focus on the X Division, and who didn't love the "Hail Sabin!" at the start of his intro? Around the same time Shelley was dicking about with a video camera, following Steve Borden and his family, and generally being Nash's wee lackey. Looking at where they both began before forming the guns and where they are now, it would appear that Shelley has improved the most and has momentum on his side, but I'd friggin hate to see them stop now when they've been putting on some great matches over the last year.
If TNA's tag division is starting to look slight, then they should be bringing in teams, not breaking up the ones they have.

Oh and all those saying "Another Jannetty thread!?", we got the message from the first couple of posts that mentioned it, why feel the need to just repeat what's already been said? Come on

 

[Chess]

Neither will be Jannetty.

Shelley will go on to win the TV title and continue to put on wrestling clinics while Sabin will win the X division title again.

These two obviously want to push forward their singles careers and if all goes wrong they can always reunite after a few years.

Personally I think they succeeded a lot as tag champs, they have nothing more to prove and no-one new to beat. I cannot wait for the battles and Shelley and Sabin are going to have against eachother in the coming months. It will be epic!

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Why does one have to be a Jannetty?

Both have already proven to be very talented wrestlers, both in tag-team & singles wrestling competition.

The thing with The Rockers is that one was clearly more talented than the other. With the Motor City Machine Guns, both Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin are very equal in talent, charisma, mic skills etc. Therefore, I don’t believe one would be considered more of a “Jannetty” when compared to his former partner.

While I don’t condone a split within this tag-team, should it ever happen, the only possible way that either Shelley or Sabin could become a “Jannetty” would be due to the specific gimmick that they would be given.

 

[Theo Mays]

Neither of these two men will be the "Jannetty". Both guys have pretty much had singles success in TNA along with their success as a tag team. Both men have had X-Division title reigns in the past and they are arguably the best tag team in professional wrestling today. They always put on great matches and you can count on that. If TNA were to split them up (which I see no need for), both men will go onto having successful singles career. Hell how awesome would a X-Division program between these two be? I think that would be swell. However in the mean time I see no need for a split and I'm not sure I could see a split any time soon.