Matt Morgan Buries the IWC

[sTyLnK]

I admire and respect any one who is a pro wrestler. I respect how much they put their bodies through to entertain us. But, what I disagree with him about is how he says, "unless you've done it and got the experience, you have no business talking". Then he goes on to say that reporters have earned the right to say whatever they want about him and he's fine with it, has no beef with it.

That doesn't even make sense. He has these rose tinted glasses on, big time. Experience or not, people can be wrong. In this interview, he sounded like a petty child at times who was holding some kind of grudge. Why he even cares is beyond me. Everyone has different opinions about things and experience or not, anyone can be wrong. He doesn't seem to get that. But in the end, it is just that. His opinion. Don't agree with most of what he said, but I don't care myself. He's making a living doing what he loves, good for him.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Matt Morgan's a hack, that's what I say,
The man can't get over anyway.
He doesn't get that he's no good
He needs to retire; he really should.
The IWC's not to blame
That for ten years, the man's been the same
He doesn't get better, that's my call
He hasn't gotten better at all.
The man should probably call it quits
Because this man is the drizzling shits

Oh, I have to spread reputation around before giving it to you again.

I haven't posted anything related to wrestling for a long time, but this thread caught my attention. Matt Morgan FUCKING SUCKS as a wrestler. He's about 7 feet tall but he's ass in the ring and can't talk for shit (he may or may not have had a speech impediment...I haven't seen him for so long that I don't remember if this is the case).

This dude is the Choi Hong-man of professional wrestling. I'm baffled that TNA has yet to realize how big of a waste of time he is; when are they going to realize that the only thing he'll ever have is his size?

 

[Kidpolean]

But of course, you're totally different from everyone else on this forum, right?

Have you ever met even one person from these forums? Because if you haven't, that's a pretty ridiculous statement to make.




Very well then. Here's what I want you to do;

The next time you go to a restaurant and get subpar service, don't stiff the guy on your tip.

I mean, after all, are you in his line of business? Do you know the innards of what he does for a living? It can be any profession; mechanic, doctor, etc. I mean, clearly you don't have a right to complain, you never did it.



Yeah, the IWC is perhaps a little critical, but why are wrestlers above reproach, because they entertain? A fan (one who puts money into the product) should be able to complain if they aren't receiving a quality product. Matt Morgan doesn't put on a very quality product.




Do some? Sure. But you're making the same mistake Morgan does, in applying a trait of a select few to the entire population.




I don't see anyone on the IWC that hates Matt Morgan, that thinks he's a bad guy. I see no personal grudges, no hateful comments about him, his family, his children, etc. the worst thing I've heard/said is that he sucks. If anything, Morgan has more reason to be one sided, because it probably sucks to admit you're mediocre at your job.

And Matt Morgan, whether he wants to admit it or not, is a textbook case of wrestling mediocrity

First off I wrestle so that alone makes me different than most on this board. I cleary said that its ok to have an opinion my problem is people saying stuff like a guy doesnt have ring psychology and stupid crap like that when they dont even know what that means and how it is determined. Or when people call someone a technical wrestler. A technical wrestler just means that you have good technique, your moves are crisp, and you keep your opponents safe. There is almost no way you could know someone is a good technician unless you have wrestled them before but the IWC has made up their on definitions for stuff and believe that a technical wrestler is someone that chain grapples and does a lot of submissions. Im just saying that morgan is for the most part right. I see and meet IWC people all the time and they are usually very large, out of shape people that try to use wrestling terms and have no clue what they are talking about. You really cant even determine how good someone is in the ring unless you know how the match was booked and who called the majority of the match.

 

[Warhood]

I feel I am gonna be in the minority in this, but he is completely right. Did he probably go to far in basically saying his member is more athletic than the people who write for the dirt sheets? Yes, he did. But it doesn't make it any less wrong or right.

What he does is something incredibly athletic and in the business, he doesn't always have full control on what he does. NOT ALL FLOP CHARACTERS are the wrestlers fault. We all know that it involves in creative and the booking. However the wrestler (In this case Matt Morgan) gets the majority of the blame for failing to get over with the crowd. Reporters completely ignore the amount of work, blood, sweat, and tears that goes into becoming successful.

I know I am being bias to this, because I have faced a similar experience. I use to play college football team and saw all the hard work that team put in to do the best we could in the situations that we were given, and most of the times we came up short. Still though, college newspapers, and articles on Division III websites made fun us for being terrible.

I can vouch for everyone of the 100 man staff (coaches, trainers, managers, and players) that every day we went to work, we did our best, and worked the hardest to get better. Still though, friends would come up to me and say, "Why should I go to the game, we are just gonna lose?" And proceed to make to tease and joke about the team. It gets frustrating to hear, and drives people insane to hear them constantly being put down.

No one talks about the improvements that Matt Morgan (or really any wrestler for that matter) is making in the ring, and it seems that the a lot of people in IWC talks about things in bitterness, and it makes sense that wrestlers who have given everything to their profession get frustrated hearing anyone criticizing them. ​

 

[Con T.]

Then you certainly won't mind me asking;

What exactly does Matt Morgan do well? I mean, after all, you wrestle, right? Then what critiques have you seen of Matt Morgan that aren't fair?

Or, how about this; suppose that I was able to pick up some articles and writings from writers (who Matt claims are ok), and from other wrestlers? Because I tell you what, there's plenty of journalists who will say Matt Morgan is pretty mediocre.

Finally, something you should understand well; making money as a wrestler. Because, you, as a wrestler, should know the first goal of wrestling for any wrestler and promotion is to make money. Do you honestly intend to tell me that Matt Morgan makes money?

See, here's the thing; you're telling me that we know nothing, but the best barometer of how you're doing (and again, you should know this), is how much your audience is getting into a match, into a promo, into a guy. And it doesn't take a genius to see that Matt Morgan has rarely, if ever, been over.

 

[King of the Words]

Matt Morgan is in the wrong on this one. Anyone who is a fan of wrestling should be allowed to voice their opinion, no matter if it is very wise one or not.

These fans who write this have made wrestling part of their life. They probably buy wrestling ppv's and merchandise which helps pay Matt's salary. These people have earned a chance to voice their opinions.

If Matt don't like what the fans say about him then he's in the wrong business. You need to have a very thick skin in the wrestling business in order to make it. Matt sounds more whinny then anyone on the dirt sheets. I think the business is getting to him. He's a giant but he don't have the thick skin to last and strive in the wrestling business. He should do himself a favour and stop whining or quit and do something else while he's still young enough. Wrestling is a dog eat dog business. You've got to have nerves of steel to last anytime in it, let alone become a star.

If it wasn't for a lot of these so called loser wrestling fans the business would have died out years ago. If you invest any time into something and , or spend hard earned money on it, you definetly deserve a chance to speak your mind. And if the wrestlers don't like it, or can't handle it then they should get out and let someone who can handle it have the chance.

 

[i'm a cm punk girl]

I didn't realize I was fat, lived in my parents basement, and loved doritos...

And apparently my HS basketball stats mean NOTHING

 

[The Butcher]

Who has been talking about Morgan, good or bad, recently? This is the most Matt Morgan conversation I've seen around here since I joined. He should rant more often, maybe get into a feud with Ultimate Warrior; it'd definitely get his name back out there.

He's entitled to his opinion. The IWC is just a group of fans. I don't see why some wrestlers and some of us ourselves put the IWC up on an undeserving pedestal. Some of us talk trash; some of us give praise; some of us are athletes; some of us aren't; some of us like Matt Morgan; some of us (me) don't. It's not some amorphous blob with one set of traits or thoughts, nor does it singularly determine the success or failure of a wrestler or gimmick.

If I were in his position, I wouldn't have even given us the satisfaction of making a video like that. Whether you agree or disagree with him, you've got to admit that he looks stupid and/or small-time putting out a video like this. I look forward to seeing this video get dissected by all of the more insulting podcasters and bloggers. Morgan poked the hornet's nest.

 

[chicagomade]

So, i didn't read all the replies so i don't know if it was touched on...but in this he brags about his communications degree in public speaking, yet stuttered his way through this promo, the whole while thinking he was being awesome. It's a speed talking gibberish fest...

 

[Darkseifer330]

I'm going to say he's neither right nor wrong on the thing. People are entitled to their own opinion and they have the right to say whatever the hell they say about him. If he does not like it, he's doing right by not reading it. Should this video cause everyone to bash and haze him? Not at all.

I don't like the term IWC. It seems like it was a name given to WRESTLING FANS (real term) who decided to post and view opinions on a form of entertainment that they like, by people who mistaken that post of forums/dirt sheets/news sites that we are whining, complaining, bashing a wrestler. It's not always about the negatives and that's all Matt Morgan was seeing. He just may not be a great wrestler/character to many people. Everyone on this site, forums are just stating their thoughts, merely thoughts and not facts. Is it a fact that he sucks? Maybe, I've never stepped into the ring with him. The more a person is know, the more people who won't like him. A person not liking another doesn't have to always express his/her opinion, but as the number grows the more likely a person will criticize him.

He's doing right by not reading it. He shouldn't get so heated just because of what someone says. Everyone can't like a person so why get upset over another's opinion.

 

[trendkiller]

Categorizing, belittling and stereotyping; well done, Double-M.

Just what you'd expect from a wrestler. They are all mountains of meat with pinheads and brains the size of a three-week abortion anyway, whose only qualification for their line of work is being asked what their name is and getting it wrong.

See, I can do it too.

 

[NightwingZen]

I agree with Morgan, there's a certain level where we should criticize as fans. After that we need to chill out, it's just a show after all. To call people who perform this sport certain obscenities(Cena, Morgan, Sheamus, Orton, Divas, Ryback, etc.) is very classless for us as people. We don't know what they go through lifting other people, doing flips, jumping a certain height, and landing a hard canvas, so why should we judge them. We don't know the formula of who's going to be a marquee name. Finally, why anger ourselves and stress ourselves out about how this crazy business works? Let's just enjoy it and hope that certain performers get their chance.

 

[Con T.]

I agree with Morgan, there's a certain level where we should criticize as fans. After that we need to chill out, it's just a show after all.

And his idea of telling us to chill out is... By seeming more offended and hurt than any of the fans he's talking about?

To call people who perform this sport certain obscenities(Cena, Morgan, Sheamus, Orton, Divas, Ryback, etc.) is very classless for us as people.

Two things:

A. That's implying that every member of the IWC does this; they don't. Again, I haven't heard people say anything about Matt Morgan the person; the worst I've heard is that he sucks.

B. Does resorting to name calling/obscenities really do that strong of a job of making his point?

We don't know what they go through lifting other people, doing flips, jumping a certain height, and landing a hard canvas, so why should we judge them.

Because they aren't gods, above reproach?

See my point about that waiter that gives you subpar service, or anyone else that is offering a service for payment, then come back to me.

We don't know the formula of who's going to be a marquee name.

Bookers do; and yet, Matt Morgan has never lasted in the main event longer than half a year.

So what do we make of that?

Finally, why anger ourselves and stress ourselves out about how this crazy business works? Let's just enjoy it and hope that certain performers get their chance.

Matt seems far more angry than any of us do

 

[NightwingZen]

And his idea of telling us to chill out is... By seeming more offended and hurt than any of the fans he's talking about?



Two things:

A. That's implying that every member of the IWC does this; they don't. Again, I haven't heard people say anything about Matt Morgan the person; the worst I've heard is that he sucks.

B. Does resorting to name calling/obscenities really do that strong of a job of making his point?



Because they aren't gods, above reproach?

See my point about that waiter that gives you subpar service, or anyone else that is offering a service for payment, then come back to me.



Bookers do; and yet, Matt Morgan has never lasted in the main event longer than half a year.

So what do we make of that?



Matt seems far more angry than any of us do

I was implying that we should chill out a bit, not Morgan. Plus, I'm talking about a certain percentage of fans that do this on any wrestling site (Bleacher Report, WrestleZone articles, etc.). Yes, some of the things he said to put himself over were not needed but he did have a point about those who do go to those extremes I've witnessed myself. My fault if I didn't separate my points with his.

 

[Con T.]

I was implying that we should chill out a bit, not Morgan. Plus, I'm talking about a certain percentage of fans that do this on any wrestling site (Bleacher Report, WrestleZone articles, etc.). Yes, some of the things he said to put himself over were not needed but he did have a point about those who do go to those extremes I've witnessed myself. My fault if I didn't separate my points with his.

Which I get, and it's a fair point. Again, he's entitled to say what he wants, I'm not going to say Matt Morgan shouldn't have the right to speak.

I just don't see anyone really taking anything he's doing over the top. Yeah, some fans do it for much more popular names (Cena being the biggest case). Matt's complaining because fans perceive his matches as boring.

And if fans think his matches are boring, he should probably at least consider that, instead of resorting to make calling, that maybe he could actually try to improve.

 

[theroaddogg_woof]

i dont post often, been watching this stuff for 30 years, so i know alot.
anyways, I did not listen to what matt said, but bookers are at fault too
i agree, but what he should have done after he lost to sting was knocked him out after the match, grabbed a microphone, went to the entrance ramp. Then he should have told everyone he was a Cornette Guy and then rattle some guys name in Ring of honor, laid some more pipe bombs down then he win the title in 2 months, THis sounds familiar. cant seem to pinppoint when this happened. LOL

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Although Morgan is entitled to his opinion and some of his points make sense he came off as an idiot in the process. It's not so much what he said rather than how he said it. He seemed to attack the IWC rather than defend himself to the IWC which makes me think he cares a little too much about what people think than he cares to admit. Although a lot of the IWC can be idiots sometimes he shouldn't be too quick to dismiss every one who has criticism on him, some of them can be very accurate at times.

My advice to Morgan is this: If you really didn't care you wouldn't mention it, the fact you took the time to talk about it proves you care despite what you say. In life you got to be able to distinguish good advice from bad advice as its the only way you grow. Next to all the IWC hasn't worked in wrestling but some are passionate and intelligent enough to see a few of your short comings you may not have known about so don't sell them short. Next time come off a little more on the defending yourself and a little less on the attacking others.

Good idea:

"I think the IWC is wrong because of <insert reason here>".

Bad idea:

" The IWC said I suck and can't wrestle. They are a bunch off poo poo head virgins."

You may as well say:

"I'm gonna resort to name calling because the IWC made fun of me".

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Matt Morgan is the typical athlete. They think they can just simply be tough and talk shit to people that criticize him. Listen, if Matt Morgan was a good wrestler who had runs with titles and proved himself to be a draw, he wouldn't be saying this stuff in the first place. He wants to place blame on folks who have NO influence on how writing's done or how TNA books its programming. What he's implying is that TNA is influenced by David Meltzer, Josh Isenberg, and Justin Labar. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Morgan's the typical big man with no promo skills and no marketability. I wonder how he managed to be 5th in his class in communications when he stuttered through half of that interview? It's tough being a wrestler, but it's tougher when you suck at it and you can't find the balls to blame yourself for not being over and somehow thinking folks behind a keyboard influence the wrestling business.

I've never thought of Morgan as anything other than a bodyguard-type who can't cut a promo and can't draw. Why? Because that's exactly how he's been booked. It's not our fault that you can't walk and talk at the same time. It's not our fault that you have a million dollar look and a 10 cent promo. It's not our fault that you work for TNA and not for the WWE.

So to me, he's the bigger loser here. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't give a shit what anyone thought of me. I'd try to simply get better at talking and being a draw for a company, instead of coming down on folks he thinks he can beat up. He's a bully and an asshole.

 

[Kidpolean]

I think some of you on here are just as hurt as Matt sounds. I see people bashing Matt more than giving an opinion on what he actually said. Everyone has an opinion but there is a point where you have to be able to justify what you are saying and that is where the IWC suffers. If i tell you that i dont like a restaurant than that is a fair statement but if I say that this restaurant is poorly managed and the cooks are inexperienced well then i need facts to back it up. The IWC tends to state opinions as facts. Saying this guy cant wrestle...well how do you know. Booker's put restrictions on moves and sometimes gimmicks eliminate the use of moves as well plus if your are a rookie or new guy than you dont even call the match so you dont know if the person is using their full arsenal or not. The correct thing to say would be that you dont like that wrestler or he is not entertaining. The IWC judges things that they could not possibly know unless they worked in the business. Im saying the IWC because that is what we are discussing even though I also think it is a stupid term. Another thing that i see constantly is the love for all heels and the constant need to disagree with casual wrestling fans. Sometimes it feels like the IWC thinks its cool to do the opposite of what everyone else does or think differently that others. The IWC is full of unfair judgement...like the famous IWC thought that John Cena cant wrestle. Come on people someone with half a brain could tell you that this guy is a good wrestler. Everybody talks about the five moves of doom but than praise guys like Austin who also had about 5 moves. My point is that if the Internet was full of fans that opinions weren't just complete bs all the time than maybe the IWC would get some respect but that is never gonna happen because the IWC is full of whining, biased individuals. And no im not talking about every fan on the internet but the people I am talking about know who they are

 

[Con T.]

The correct thing to say would be that you dont like that wrestler or he is not entertaining.

Hasn't that been exactly what I've been saying, I don't know, the whole thread? I don't think I've said anything different; I don't think Matt Morgan is good. And might I add, there are a few reasons to believe I'm not the only one.

1. He's never stayed in the main event picture for more than half a year.

2. He's never been a world champion.

3. He's never been in a position to be the guy.

Whoever has been booking Morgan has wanted to start to give him the push, but for some reason, or another, it stops. Why? Well, probably because he doesn't connect with the audience, and at the end of the day, that's all I've ever really said.

But that is the most important thing in wrestling, to get the crowd to care enough to plunk down money. Again, that's the mark of a good wrestler.

Which reminds me... What exactly does Matt Morgan do well, again?

 

[Kidpolean]

Hasn't that been exactly what I've been saying, I don't know, the whole thread? I don't think I've said anything different; I don't think Matt Morgan is good. And might I add, there are a few reasons to believe I'm not the only one.

1. He's never stayed in the main event picture for more than half a year.

2. He's never been a world champion.

3. He's never been in a position to be the guy.

Whoever has been booking Morgan has wanted to start to give him the push, but for some reason, or another, it stops. Why? Well, probably because he doesn't connect with the audience, and at the end of the day, that's all I've ever really said.

But that is the most important thing in wrestling, to get the crowd to care enough to plunk down money. Again, that's the mark of a good wrestler.

Which reminds me... What exactly does Matt Morgan do well, again?

Like I said I dont watch TNA and really dont know anything about the guy I was just talking about what he said

 

[Con T.]

Like I said I dont watch TNA and really dont know anything about the guy I was just talking about what he said

Whoa-ho-ho-ho, ho!

Ok, so let's go over the course of what's just happened here.

A. Your stance is that unless you have been in the business, you can't know what makes up a good wrestler. Fine, I can see your point. I don't agree, but hey, that's what a forum is for.

B. you then state that you don't watch TNA much, or Matt Morgan. Meaning, were we to need a point of reference, you wouldn't have very much background. As a point of reference, considering you've never seen the guy, you really don't have much of a basis.

And this doesn't seem hypocritical, how?

 

[Kidpolean]

Whoa-ho-ho-ho, ho!

Ok, so let's go over the course of what's just happened here.

A. Your stance is that unless you have been in the business, you can't know what makes up a good wrestler. Fine, I can see your point. I don't agree, but hey, that's what a forum is for.

B. you then state that you don't watch TNA much, or Matt Morgan. Meaning, were we to need a point of reference, you wouldn't have very much background. As a point of reference, considering you've never seen the guy, you really don't have much of a basis.

And this doesn't seem hypocritical, how?

Dude what are you talking about..I watched the video of Matt Morgan and shared my opinion on what he said in that video. I never said anything about Morgan as a wrestler, my entire argument is that I agree with most of what he said about the IWC in the video. Why would I have to have seen the guy wrestle to have an opinion of what he said about the IWC in a shoot interview?

 

[Con T.]

Dude what are you talking about..I watched the video of Matt Morgan and shared my opinion on what he said in that video. I never said anything about Morgan as a wrestler, my entire argument is that I agree with most of what he said about the IWC in the video. Why would I have to have seen the guy wrestle to have an opinion of what he said about the IWC in a shoot interview?

To see if what he says is all that valid, when it comes to him?

His chief complaint seems to be that the IWC bitches about his matches, when they don't understand the business of wrestling. You've taken the stance of agreeing with him, without even looking into what members of the IWC might complain about it.

 

[Kidpolean]

To see if what he says is all that valid, when it comes to him?

His chief complaint seems to be that the IWC bitches about his matches, when they don't understand the business of wrestling. You've taken the stance of agreeing with him, without even looking into what members of the IWC might complain about it.

Dude I think you need to go listen to him again...He is not specifically talking about himself, He is talking about all wrestlers, he even mentions a few others. Matt's point was that people without the credentials or knowledge to have an educated opinion on wrestling fill the internet with bs, one sided, biased opinions that they cant justify. I agree with that. He barley talks about his own matches but i guess you turned on your IWC hate Morgan headphones so that is all you heard.